Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 30th May 2009:
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01:33:10  <Brot5> Backup done! (Usage: 39M)
01:33:11  <Brot5> I guess you guys got BIG MUSCLES from doing too much STUDYING!
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10:09:18  <Brot> [DevZone] Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 12235: [IS] Use a more logical (overloaded) version of IsStatio... (Hirundo) -
10:09:19  <Brot> [DevZone] Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 12236: [IS] Do not inline a function that is called externally;... (Hirundo) -
10:09:57  <Hirundo> About a dozen characters changed in two commits :P
10:18:18  <Brot> [DevZone] Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 12237: [IS] Simplify IS-related owner checks for NPF. (Hirundo) -
10:20:26  <Ammler> :-o
10:20:30  <Ammler> NPF support :-)
10:20:53  <Ammler> always wondered, why that is still in trunk
10:22:02  <DJNekkid> backwards compatability?
10:24:27  <Hirundo> To my knowledge, even PBS is or was NPF-compatible
10:24:34  <Ammler> yes
10:24:55  <Ammler> that is why I am wondering, you have to code for nobody...
10:25:02  <Hirundo> To developers, NPF has some advantages over YAPF
10:26:24  <Ammler> I mean, if you want to play with npf, you could use a older build.
10:28:26  <Ammler> Hirundo: is it possible to checkout only one file?
10:28:29  <Hirundo> boh, crashed my MSVC (again)
10:29:30  <Hirundo> Why would you want to?
10:30:18  <Ammler> I would like to make a backup script, which scannes all repos for a file like push
10:31:21  <Ammler> and then run it if, so we can configure the backup url from repo.
10:32:03  <Hirundo> You could access repo over http to get a specific file
10:32:20  <Ammler> but if we update a repo on the server, it doubles or worse the disk usage
10:32:28  <Ammler> he, could idea
10:32:32  <Ammler> good
10:33:11  <Ammler> that acutally solves it, thanks :-)
10:40:18  <Brot> [DevZone] Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 12238: [IS] [#90] Allow access to station tracks, even when sha... (Hirundo) -
10:40:19  <Brot> [DevZone] Infrastructure Sharing - Feature #90 (Closed): Train station access (Hirundo) -
10:44:23  <Ammler> Hirundo: "hg cat " is the way with hg only :-)
10:44:55  <Hirundo> ah
10:45:02  <Hirundo> learnt another thing today :)
10:46:18  <Ammler> how shall I call that file?
10:46:22  <Ammler> push.url
10:46:39  <Ammler> so it doesn't confuse anonymous checkouts
10:46:48  <Hirundo>
10:48:00  <Hirundo> Who have the magic capabilities to trigger the compile farm?
10:48:30  <Ammler> you
10:48:43  <Ammler> you need to trigger Truebrain or Rubi
10:49:02  <Ammler> might be Truebrain is the only one.
10:53:39  <Ammler> Hirundo: didn't try, but is via order allowed?
10:55:14  <Ammler> mäh, it should be about time to merge waypoints and stations anyway
11:55:17  <Brot> [DevZone] OpenGFX - Feature #140 (Closed): download log script (Ammler) -
12:07:59  <Hirundo> Ammler: go via is not allowed
12:24:57  <Ammler> Hirundo: wasn't that the idea behind?
12:25:01  <Ammler> to support waypoints
12:26:16  <Hirundo> Waypoints are now supported in the sense that they don't block you any more
12:26:51  <Hirundo> Supporting go via would be a major headache, methinks
12:27:16  <Hirundo> is it even possible to add a go via order without adding it as a normal order (which would be 'illegal') first?
12:27:57  <Ammler> ah, you mean those silly useless waypoints ;-)
12:28:09  <Ammler> I meant using stations as waypoints :-)
12:28:54  <Hirundo> I meant too
12:31:14  <Ammler> isn't the purpose of a waypoint to include it to your order list?
12:33:04  <Ammler> hmm, maybe it isn't a good feature anyway.
12:33:20  <Hirundo> true waypoints can be included in the list, waypoint stations cannot (not without station usage being allowed, that is)
12:33:27  <Ammler> if you block station usage, you also don't want them drive through
12:33:35  <Ammler> you can always make a bypass for that case.
12:34:53  <Hirundo> Hmmm
12:35:24  <Hirundo> while thinking about it, I'm beginning to feel we should remove those separate settings for tracks/depots/stations altogether
12:36:15  <Ammler> on wwottdgd/1, we used waypoints to block trains
12:36:34  <Hirundo> To what extent was that feature used?
12:37:08  <Ammler> so you can have a "connected" private network
12:37:09  <Hirundo> and to what extent could it not have been replaced by human communication (chat/signs)
12:37:31  <Ammler> you have a mainline, which you share but some branches you won't
12:38:50  <Ammler> was it complicated to support trains drive through "forbidden" stations?
12:39:16  <Hirundo> not really, it required 2-3 small changes
12:40:14  <Ammler> well, in wwottdgd/1, we had no settings at all
12:40:28  <Ammler> everything was hard coded,
12:40:59  <Ammler> you shared everything or nothing
12:41:11  <Ammler> but you were able to block with waypoints
12:41:48  <Hirundo> out of curiosity, did yapf exist at that time?
12:41:58  <Ammler> yep
12:42:06  <Ammler> :-)
12:42:17  * Hirundo wonders why it didn't desync massively
12:42:36  <DJNekkid> well written patch? :)
12:43:07  <DJNekkid> btw, i HATE wagons, and it's graphics!
12:43:20  <Ammler>
12:43:59  <Hirundo> 55 clients patch will not be needed now :)
12:44:17  <Ammler> LOL
12:44:35  <Ammler> everyone was able to use company 1
12:44:46  <Ammler> but not an other company.
12:46:02  <Ammler>
12:46:24  <Hirundo> The amount of hacks in that patch is just insane :P
12:47:24  <Ammler> indeed :-D
12:48:27  <Hirundo> And to my amazement, one of those hacks fixes the yapf desyncs
12:48:35  <Hirundo> although in a hacky way :D
12:48:45  * Hirundo moves back on topic
12:48:58  <Hirundo> "and to what extent could it not have been replaced by human communication (chat/signs)"
12:49:51  <Ammler> then you don't need sharing at all :P
12:49:59  <Ammler> you can play coop
12:50:24  <Ammler> DJNekkid: hunt the bugs!
12:50:45  <Ammler> release 1.0.1 today?
12:53:04  <DJNekkid> *waiting for webster and/or brot*
12:53:17  <Ammler> max 3 mins :-)
12:53:34  <Ammler> webster needs max. 15mins
12:55:17  <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 157: fix #132 , fix #143 - Fixed short gonolas sprites, and added proper... (DJNekkid) -
12:55:18  <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Bug #132 (Closed): Short Gondola's appear as goods (DJNekkid) -
12:55:19  <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Bug #143 (Closed): Make better ... (DJNekkid) -
12:56:38  <Ammler> <-- fixable?
12:56:58  <DJNekkid> in its turn :p
12:58:25  <Ammler> we have some signs on the 2cc save on pro
13:04:17  <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 158: fix #139 - sm2 cannot use express (DJNekkid) -
13:04:18  <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Bug #139 (Closed): Sm2 Engine can't use MU Express wagons (DJNekkid) -
13:05:09  <DJNekkid> hmm...
13:05:13  <DJNekkid> this lok2k is actually 2px to long
13:05:41  <DJNekkid> i think i might need to add a 1/8th articulation to it
13:07:45  <Ammler> isn't it just a offset bug?
13:08:15  <Ammler> imo, everything is around 1-2 pixel to far north
13:08:38  <DJNekkid> well
13:08:50  <DJNekkid> the one comes with the other if u get my drift
13:09:00  <DJNekkid> the \ and / directions are 2px to long
13:10:33  <DJNekkid> btw, what would you think of long trains set?
13:10:42  <Ammler> but not only for the 2k, either for all
13:11:50  <DJNekkid> i _think_ it's possible to make a glich free set where vehicles are 1,5 or 2x long
13:11:51  <Ammler> hmm, don't get you :-)
13:12:23  <Ammler> ah, with articulated or without?
13:12:26  <DJNekkid> with
13:13:01  <Ammler> you mean wagons, which are around a tile long?
13:13:09  <Ammler> that would be nice :-)
13:13:09  <Hirundo> I think it'd be very hard (tunnels/bridges/curves) but perhaps not impossible
13:13:44  <Ammler> Hirundo: articulated, I assume, he would split them
13:13:45  <DJNekkid> i'll make a test one day :)
13:14:05  <Ammler> technically, they are sill 2 waggons, aren't they?
13:14:06  <DJNekkid> well, the clue were to have them in one piece, but with an invisible part
13:26:31  <Ammler> the 32bpp project had once a patch for long wagons
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13:52:14  <DJNekkid> ^^
13:54:17  <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 159: fix #137 - Redid the whole selfdischarger spritesetup (DJNekkid) -
13:54:18  <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Bug #137 (Closed): Misaligned trains (DJNekkid) -
14:40:29  <DJNekkid> any news on andy and repo'ing the heqs?
14:50:17  <Ammler> Hirundo: you might need to ask TB directly.
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16:18:03  <Brot5> OpenGFX: nightly compile not needed. (r37)
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18:55:33  <FooBar_> Ammler: where have you hidden the download counter .csv?
18:55:57  <Ammler> FooBar_: read the damn ticket! ;-P
18:56:21  <FooBar_> darn..
18:56:37  <FooBar_> it said "closed" in my mailbox, so I figured I didn't have to read...
18:56:45  <Ammler>
18:57:18  <FooBar_> ah, it's still there, but hidden from plain view :)
18:57:51  <Ammler> IndexIgnore favicon.ico robots.txt log.csv download.php
18:58:55  <FooBar_> thanks ;)
18:59:07  <Ammler> no, thank you :-)
18:59:16  <FooBar_> r37 downloaded 9 times
18:59:19  <FooBar_> that's disappointing...
18:59:25  <Ammler> hehe
18:59:52  <FooBar_> log.csv downloaded 8 times :P
18:59:55  <Ammler> it would be rise, if you make a big annoucement
19:00:03  <FooBar_> wise * ;)
19:00:07  <Ammler> I just mentioned the link, not more.
19:00:09  <FooBar_> or -be
19:00:36  <FooBar_> let me do an announcement then :P
19:00:38  <Ammler> there are also none is2 downloads
19:01:13  <FooBar_> true
19:01:28  <FooBar_> make a big announcement ;)
19:01:51  <Ammler> oh, Hirundo is gone 30 mins ago :-)
19:04:53  <Ammler> hmm, my push didn't work
19:09:32  <FooBar_> try again
19:10:13  <FooBar_> Oh just so you know...
19:10:31  <FooBar_> I granted Bilbo ssh access and made him Developer at DevZone
19:10:50  <Ammler> nice
19:12:00  <FooBar_> And I'm working on some instructions for Windows users, but try to keep it general enough to be useful to non-windows users as well, i.e. by including the hg command to run and not just saying what one has to click in TortoiseHg
19:37:18  <Brot> [DevZone] OpenGFX - Revision 38: Backup url for automatic push to (Ammler) -
19:37:34  <Ammler>
19:39:56  <FooBar_> thanks
19:40:36  <FooBar_> I write my stuff more n00bish, but I'll expand and add there then :)
19:41:44  <Ammler> added you to the managers so you can write there
19:42:14  <FooBar_> ah, that would be useful, thanks again :)
19:44:38  <FooBar_> but I think I'm gonna play some guitarhero first :P
19:44:45  <Ammler> hehe
19:45:29  <Ammler> FooBar_:
19:45:30  <Webster> Title: JamLegend - Music Gaming Unleashed (at
19:48:03  <FooBar_> might be interesting, as I already play the game on my laptop rather than on a console
19:48:13  <FooBar_> From the faq: curl your fingers around the 1,2,3,4 keys with the palm of your hand holding the back of the keyboard
19:48:28  <FooBar_> do they really mean that there's just four frets? too easy :)
19:49:07  <FooBar_> ah, no... had to read on a bit :P
19:50:11  <Ammler> that is enouh for me ;-)
19:52:36  <FooBar_> nah, 5 is better. Then I actually fail sometimes indicating that it still is a challenge to play the game
19:55:13  <FooBar_> darn, it wants me to install software in order to use my guitar hero controller...
19:55:17  <Brot> [DevZone] OpenGFX - Feature #78: pbs graphics (Ammler) -
19:55:18  <Brot> [DevZone] OpenGFX - Feature #78 (Assigned): pbs graphics (Ammler) -
19:55:37  <Ammler> assigned to bilbo ^ ;-)
19:56:42  <FooBar_> nice
19:57:36  <FooBar_> I just tried jamlegend using my keyboard, but it responds really badly :(
19:58:15  <FooBar_> better boot up the old frets on fire then...
19:58:20  <FooBar_> see you around :)
20:00:17  <Ammler> works here only with opera
20:26:16  <Ammler> DJNekkid: the new TGV is fast!
20:58:17  <Brot> [DevZone] OpenGFX - Support #144: Tag will automatically create a release bundle (Ammler) -
21:17:12  * FooBar_ looks up hg help tag :)
21:19:19  <Ammler> yeah, test it :P
21:19:25  <Ammler> release 4.3
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21:32:18  <FooBar_> given the /releases dir you already tested yourself. I'll test when there's something to release :)
21:33:06  <Ammler> yeah, I tested with, just removed the test1 release :-)
21:33:19  <Ammler> but I didn't test the hook inclusion.
21:37:08  <FooBar_> want me to test the hook then?
21:38:29  <Ammler> hmm
21:38:31  <Ammler> not really.
21:38:55  <Ammler> well, if you have to commit something, do it :-)
21:40:01  <FooBar_> you already provided my answer yourself: not really...
21:40:31  <FooBar_> otoh maybe I do... I recall the coastline needed fixing
21:41:21  <FooBar_> but why would  I need to commit something? I can tag something old as well...
21:41:33  <Ammler> no
21:41:41  <Ammler> shall I support that?
21:42:10  <FooBar_> oh, that doesn't work...
21:42:34  <FooBar_> well, don't bugger if it's too much effort
21:42:38  <Ammler> I don't use the .hgtags file
21:42:59  <Ammler> I just scan your commits and if there is a tag, I run the make
21:43:45  <FooBar_> ah ok, good that I know that
21:43:48  <Ammler> else I would need to compare old and new .hgtags, and then update to that tag and make
21:44:07  <FooBar_> as I otherwise would have committed first and tagged afterwards
21:44:51  <Ammler> well, as long as it is in the same changegroup (push)
21:45:06  <FooBar_> ah, ok. I was about to ask that :)
21:45:37  <FooBar_> Leave it as is then
21:46:29  <FooBar_> i.e. I think it's sufficient the way it is now. If you want to make it more complicated it's up to you ofcourse :)
21:46:52  <Ammler> doesn't need to be complicater
21:47:15  <FooBar_> that's what I mean
21:47:17  <Ammler> maybe the current way isn't proper, I might change it
21:49:00  <FooBar_> do you know why the makefile states "Adding version information to source..." and "Not yet implemented. Please check!"? Is that a leftover or what? As it actually does add version information...
21:51:25  <Ammler> I asked pm the same, but he might forgot
21:51:38  <Ammler> ticket ;-)
21:52:47  <FooBar_> yes, better let him fix it, as I don't understand much of makefiles. They seem to be backwards somehow...
21:54:10  <FooBar_> never mind that. I just read that it's supposed to be in that reverse structure...
22:05:41  <Brot5> opengfx: Backup push to ssh:// initiated.
22:07:54  <Ammler> so, we have now daily backup to
22:07:55  <Webster> Title: OpenTTD / OpenGFX / overview (at
22:09:11  <FooBar_> sweet :)
22:09:37  <FooBar_> make install refuses :S
22:11:01  <FooBar_> never mind, had a "/Documents" too many
22:11:45  <FooBar_> I really should start paying attention a bit more :P
22:11:54  <Ammler> oh well
22:12:04  <Ammler> such things happen all the time
22:12:22  <Ammler> as long as you don't commit them like pm, it will go forgetten :-)
22:13:21  <FooBar_> well, the problem resided in makefile.local, so even if I'd committed ;)
22:18:09  <Brot5> 2cctrainset: Backup push to  initiated.
22:18:10  <Brot5> IS: Backup push to  initiated.
22:18:12  <Brot5> cargodest: Backup push to  initiated.
22:18:16  <Brot5> dutchtrainset: Backup push to  initiated.
22:18:16  <Brot5> firs: Backup push to  initiated.
22:18:17  <Brot5> grfpack-hg: Backup push to  initiated.
22:18:17  <Brot5> head-to-head: Backup push to  initiated.
22:18:19  <Brot5> hg-tmpl-coop: Backup push to  initiated.
22:18:19  <Brot5> is2: Backup push to  initiated.
22:18:21  <Brot5> openttdlib-trunk: Backup push to  initiated.
22:18:22  <Brot5> test: Backup push to  initiated.
22:18:22  <Brot5> tools: Backup push to  initiated.
22:18:23  <Brot5> trunk: Backup push to  initiated.
22:18:42  <FooBar_> lol :P
22:18:44  <Ammler> ups
22:24:16  <FooBar_> sweet, if I compile an uncommitted changed build, it even adds the M at the end of the revision number :)
22:28:44  <Ammler> he, planetmaker is very proud to his Makefile
22:29:00  <FooBar_> I imagine
22:29:06  <Ammler> :-)
22:29:22  <Ammler> and I am to my little backup script :-)
22:35:16  <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 160: Backup URL for (Ammler) -
22:35:48  <FooBar_> I don't know the contents of that backup script, but I can imagine you are :)
22:36:02  <Brot5> 2cctrainset: Backup push to ssh:// initiated.
22:36:17  <Ammler> well, I have to admit, it is ugly small :-)
22:36:42  <FooBar_> just so you know, I'm not necessarily proud of my download log script. Nothing special really
22:38:43  <FooBar_> figuring out the .htaccess was the hardest part actually, the rest I did in like 7 commercial breaks worth of time while watching tv :P
22:39:19  <Ammler>
22:40:38  <FooBar_> very small indeed, but it does the job nicely
22:40:43  <FooBar_> and that's what counts
22:41:14  <Ammler> now, the documentation ;-)
22:48:49  <FooBar_> I'm off. I'll fix the shoreline tommorow...
22:48:55  <FooBar_> bye and good night and all :)
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22:55:04  <Brot5> is2: Backup push to ssh:// initiated.
23:08:18  <Brot> [DevZone] #openttdcoop - Wiki edit: BackupPush (#1) (Ammler) -
23:08:19  <Brot> [DevZone] #openttdcoop - Wiki edit: Welcome (#7) (Ammler) -
23:08:20  <Brot> [DevZone] #openttdcoop - Wiki edit: Welcome (#8) (Ammler) -

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