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Ha ha. 03:12:48 *** XeryusTC is now known as Xeryus|bnc 06:52:31 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:21:55 *** andythenorth_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:21:55 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 07:24:18 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:24:18 *** andythenorth_ has quit IRC 07:33:52 <andythenorth> morning 07:48:50 *** andythenorth_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:48:50 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 07:50:26 <Ammler> that early? 07:54:16 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 36: Add: Aluminium Mill graphics @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/36 (by andythenorth) 07:54:16 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 37: Add: Cement Plant graphics @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/37 (by andythenorth) 07:54:45 <andythenorth_> what time is it where you are? 07:59:45 <planetmaker> moin 08:00:29 <Ammler> now, it is 10 08:00:58 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 38: Add: default blocks used to create tiles and buildi... @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/38 (by andythenorth) 08:00:58 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 39: Add: default construction state graphics @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/39 (by andythenorth) 08:02:51 <planetmaker> Ammler: did you look at the diff concerning pre-processing which I uploaded in the files section? 08:03:17 <planetmaker> I basically did the same as you posted earlier. And I checked with the manuals, too 08:03:32 <planetmaker> But somehow the replacement via #define SOME_ID replacement text 08:03:47 <planetmaker> doesn't really work for me and I'm obviously still doing something wrong... 08:05:14 <Ammler> I don't see the #define section there 08:05:40 <planetmaker> in defines.pnfo 08:05:57 <planetmaker> or did I miss to include that in the diff? 08:06:18 <Ammler> do you include that to the final pnfo? 08:06:41 <planetmaker> there's a new file called main.pnfo 08:06:51 <planetmaker> that includes everything 08:07:21 <planetmaker> but even if I skip that and just use #define in header.pnfo and only use cc in order to replace the defines, it doesn't do anything here 08:07:50 <planetmaker> e.g. #define GRF_TITLE My funky title 08:08:05 <planetmaker> -1 * 0 ... "GRF_TITLE" ... 08:08:14 <planetmaker> is not processed as I expect. 08:09:18 <planetmaker> in that case I get cc1.exe: warning: is shorter than expected 08:09:41 <planetmaker> <stdin>:5:1: warning "GRF_TITLE" redefined 08:10:04 <planetmaker> <stdin>:1:1: warning: this is the location of the previous definition 08:10:11 <planetmaker> I don't quite understand why... 08:10:45 <planetmaker> oh, wait... 08:11:18 <planetmaker> let's see... 08:11:25 <planetmaker> if it does something without re-definition 08:11:53 <planetmaker> yes, it does. 08:11:54 <planetmaker> :D 08:12:05 <planetmaker> thanks for listening ;) 08:16:51 <andythenorth_> hey ho, sometimes hg is blazingly fast, sometimes it crawls.... :) 08:17:01 <andythenorth_> (pushing) 08:17:44 <andythenorth_> yay, it's done. watched pot never boils... 08:19:10 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 40: Add: Engineering Yard graphics @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/40 (by andythenorth) 08:19:11 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 41: Add: Farm Supply Depot graphics @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/41 (by andythenorth) 08:19:11 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 42: Add: Incinerator graphics @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/42 (by andythenorth) 08:19:11 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 43: Add: Machine Shop graphics @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/43 (by andythenorth) 08:19:17 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 44: Add: Sand Pit graphics @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/44 (by andythenorth) 08:25:02 <planetmaker> andythenorth_: checkout http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/home/files for nforenum native to mac 08:25:12 <planetmaker> thanks to Rubidium we have it now :) 08:27:25 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: #openttdcoop - renum-osx-r2117.tar.bz2 @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/144/renum-osx-r2117.tar.bz2 (by planetmaker) 08:31:29 <andythenorth_> planetmaker: remind me how to use ln to put renum in my bash path ;) 08:31:48 *** Xeryus|bnc is now known as XeryusTC 08:32:11 <planetmaker> sudo path/to/renum /usr/local/bin/renum 08:32:18 <planetmaker> err.. 08:32:27 <planetmaker> sudo ln path/to/renum /usr/local/bin/renum 08:32:29 <planetmaker> :) 08:32:55 <planetmaker> e.g. I did 08:33:17 <planetmaker> aeolusreloaded:~/ottd/grfdev/firs ingo$ sudo ln ./renum-osx-r2117/renum /usr/local/bin/renum 08:33:32 <andythenorth_> done and works thanks. 08:33:35 <planetmaker> nice 08:33:38 <Ammler> isn't ~/bin in your PATH ? 08:33:48 <planetmaker> no 08:35:08 * planetmaker closes down the VM running windows 08:35:23 <andythenorth_> send Rubidium a pie! 08:35:24 <Ammler> he 08:35:50 <planetmaker> might be an idea, though I think /usr/local/bin is a good place for the binary. I considered moving it there entirely, but that would make updates a bigger hassle. 08:47:01 <Ammler> planetmaker: can we agree to use "make bundle" just for creating the bundle dir? 08:47:25 <Ammler> or which command is needed for it? 08:48:49 <andythenorth_> hmm the make file for HEQS doesn't appear to be using renum. This differs from yesterday! It's not a problem introduced by the renum mac binary...bad magic, or poor science? 08:54:15 <planetmaker> Ammler: in my interpretation 'make bundle' should make the dir and the tar/zip/bzip/whatever 08:54:45 <planetmaker> e.g. grf-to-go ;) 08:55:43 <Ammler> hmm, imo it should behave like openttd 08:55:45 <planetmaker> so far the dir cannot easily be created by itself as you would need to know the name of the dir 08:56:02 <Ammler> anyway, is it possible to make the bundle dir? 08:56:07 <planetmaker> Yes. And OpenTTD makes a thing which I can just go and be done 08:56:18 <planetmaker> Yes, it is. 08:56:35 <planetmaker> One could add another rule: 08:57:02 <planetmaker> dir: $(DIR_NAME) 08:57:06 <Ammler> don't like target bundle 08:57:08 <planetmaker> and then you can use 'make dir' 08:57:14 <planetmaker> I do like it. :) 08:57:22 <Ammler> it looks more like a target "release" 08:57:56 <planetmaker> nah. releases are those which have a tag :) 08:57:59 <planetmaker> it's implicit 08:58:29 <Ammler> well, it is just, I don't need 3 different pack formats 08:58:43 <planetmaker> bundle 08:58:45 <planetmaker> 38 08:58:46 <planetmaker> Bündel {n} 08:58:48 <planetmaker> bundle 08:58:49 <planetmaker> 13 08:58:51 <planetmaker> Paket {n} [zusammengeschnürt] 08:59:00 <planetmaker> you don't need them. But they may be useful 08:59:13 <Ammler> you mean bundles 08:59:17 <planetmaker> usually you will just need make install 08:59:36 <planetmaker> or just call make tar 08:59:41 <planetmaker> then you get only the tar 08:59:57 <Ammler> I need the openttd make bundle :-) 09:00:19 <Ammler> which I can symlink from openttd/data 09:00:22 <planetmaker> then commit that rule I proposed above 09:00:43 <planetmaker> you should just symlink the tars 09:00:44 <Ammler> can I trash the current bundle? 09:00:49 <planetmaker> please no 09:00:58 <planetmaker> or at least rename it to release 09:01:06 <planetmaker> but then do it in ALL projects 09:01:21 <planetmaker> heqs, 2cc, opengfx, firs 09:01:35 <Ammler> well, It would be needed for those we add to the nightly farm 09:01:47 <planetmaker> yes. But keep it consistant. All or nothing ;) 09:02:07 <planetmaker> I cannot maintain n makefiles where the same thing is called differently 09:02:40 <Ammler> you should make something like a Makefile.common :-) 09:02:56 <planetmaker> hm, an idea 09:03:04 <Ammler> or Makefile.generic 09:03:06 <planetmaker> though it's not needed 09:03:21 <planetmaker> Makefile.common is only there as different OS have different Makefiles 09:03:30 <planetmaker> at grfcodec (or was it renum)? 09:03:37 <Ammler> no idea, 09:03:41 <planetmaker> as we don't have that, it's fine to have it in one 09:03:47 <Ammler> did only see the name, not the purpose 09:03:47 <planetmaker> no need for a 3rd file 09:03:56 <planetmaker> yes, I told you the puropose :) 09:03:59 <planetmaker> *purpose :) 09:04:42 <Ammler> what is bad about openttd "make bundle" ? 09:05:04 <planetmaker> please, go ahead and rename every make bundle to make release 09:05:20 <planetmaker> and then add at the same time a rule 09:05:27 <planetmaker> bundle: $(DIR_NAME) 09:05:30 <planetmaker> and you have what you want. 09:05:44 <planetmaker> but! the dirname will depend on the release version. It has to. 09:06:00 <planetmaker> Don't change that 09:06:23 <planetmaker> e.g. the dirname will always be like firs-nightly-r13 09:06:30 <planetmaker> or firs-0.0.1 09:07:00 <Ammler> and you really think, someone will ever need to make all different pack formats at once? 09:07:07 <planetmaker> if you change that, you destroy OpenTTD's ability to find more than one version and it will pick a random one 09:07:15 <Ammler> if someone would need that, that would be us, :-) 09:07:25 <planetmaker> Ammler: yes. I make that makefile also for us. 09:07:36 <planetmaker> I'm lazy. 09:07:48 <planetmaker> And I won't remove a rule to make all those bundles 09:07:59 <planetmaker> name it like you want, but keep it. 09:08:10 <planetmaker> and name it alike in those 4 projects 09:08:22 <Ammler> hmm, nvm then. 09:08:41 <planetmaker> why do you want to get rid of that functionality? what is it what you need? 09:08:53 <planetmaker> you want a dir? Then introduce a rule for that. 09:08:59 <planetmaker> one more rule doesn't hurt 09:09:13 <planetmaker> but just don't remove existing rules. 09:09:19 <planetmaker> You may rename them, no problem 09:09:51 <Ammler> well, now the projects are at start, we were able to make such changes. 09:10:07 <Ammler> later, you are right, you shouldn't change a target anymore. 09:10:11 <planetmaker> but if you need a non-chaning directory, that will need a new rule and is something completely different. 09:10:23 <planetmaker> *sigh*. You can change target names as you like 09:10:50 <planetmaker> and a non-changing directory name is only usefull for developers. No one else can use it sensibly. 09:11:16 <Ammler> well, I use it all the time with openttd 09:11:25 <planetmaker> but then... if you want that for the server or yourself, you can just link the grf into the data dir 09:11:28 <planetmaker> and you're fine 09:11:58 <planetmaker> yes, me, too 09:12:50 <planetmaker> but then a link to the filename.grf in the data dir is the solution to go. 09:13:09 <Ammler> hmm 09:13:28 <Ammler> maybe 09:13:37 <planetmaker> or - as said - make a new rule which copies the current $(BUNDLE_FILES) also to $(SOME_CONSTANT_DIR) 09:14:03 <planetmaker> but in order to be usable, the current $(DIR_NAME) is absolutely essential 09:14:49 <planetmaker> I've no problem, if you rename 'bundle' to release and then call that new target 'bundle' 09:14:50 <Ammler> hehe, of course 09:16:07 <planetmaker> but just don't touch the sub-targets of the current 'bundle' or we won't be able to make grfs which are nicely distributable 09:16:22 <Ammler> do you like the nightly farm supports all those different pack formats? 09:16:22 <planetmaker> as we need these funky, unique dir names 09:16:38 <planetmaker> well, yes :) why? 09:16:56 <planetmaker> tar is big. having a zip or bzip doesn't hurt 09:17:00 <Ammler> I would like to have only one per release 09:17:17 <Ammler> but then keeping those longer... 09:17:21 <planetmaker> hm. 09:17:41 <planetmaker> we need the tar for bananas. 09:17:57 <Ammler> bananas needs another format anyway 09:17:58 <planetmaker> we might make another zip for distribution elsewhere 09:24:28 <planetmaker> well. I don't want to give up the tar and the current dir. We shouldn't do that. 09:25:13 <planetmaker> we might re-write the zip so that it doesn't zip the tar but the dir itself into one zip file. 09:25:15 <Ammler> why should we? 09:25:54 <planetmaker> because then people who get the zip, have when unzipping the doc dir readable. 09:26:18 <planetmaker> same for bz2. 09:26:35 <Ammler> no, tar in bz2 is fine 09:26:47 <planetmaker> I wouldn't want the files to just overwrite a previous install 09:27:09 <planetmaker> in any case. That'd be bad practice IMO 09:27:12 <Ammler> actually, I never saw bz2 archive without tar 09:27:20 <planetmaker> hehe :) 09:28:04 <Ammler> my "why should we?" was related to why give up dir... 09:28:06 <planetmaker> I don't like it, though. If I (b)unzip something it'd be nice to just have it done then. But, of course, one could use tar right away 09:28:28 <planetmaker> No, not give up the versioned dir name. 09:28:57 <Ammler> i never just unzip, I use tar x 09:29:44 <planetmaker> we must not make it intrinsically impossible to have different development builds next to eachother 09:29:46 <Ammler> but if make different formats 09:29:56 <Ammler> we should have the zip without tar, imo. 09:30:11 <planetmaker> well. go ahead. I tried and failed 09:30:29 <Ammler> you failed on? 09:30:39 <planetmaker> making zip w/o tar 09:30:57 <Ammler> grfpack has also no tar :-) 09:32:15 <Ammler> and I liked your idea of opengfx to make one tar with the grfs and the rest beside 09:32:33 <Ammler> does openttd support tar in tar? 09:32:56 <planetmaker> uhm... 09:33:26 <planetmaker> dunno 09:33:39 <planetmaker> I actually meant to change the zip only 09:34:55 <andythenorth_> going out now - bye! 09:35:10 <planetmaker> bye, andythenorth_ 09:35:25 *** andythenorth_ has quit IRC 09:40:05 <planetmaker> - cat $(TAR_FILENAME) | $(ZIP) $(ZIP_FLAGS) > $(ZIP_FILENAME) 09:40:07 <planetmaker> + $(ZIP) $(ZIP_FLAGS) $(ZIP_FILENAME) $(DIR_NAME) 09:40:09 <planetmaker> ^^ That change I meant for the zip, Ammler 09:40:40 <planetmaker> and $(ZIP) = zip not $(ZIP) = gzip 10:04:03 <Brot6> firs: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/firs/firs/ initiated. 10:39:37 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 45: Change: make (DIR_NAME) a bit more verbose and comme... @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/45 (by planetmaker) 10:44:01 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 46: Fix: don't bail out on a missing 'sprites/nfo/.pnfo'... @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/46 (by planetmaker) 10:44:02 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #159: sprites/nfo/.pnfo is required @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/159 (by planetmaker) 11:02:55 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: #openttdcoop - Feature #160: latest download @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/160 (by Ammler) 11:10:06 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: #openttdcoop - Revision 11: Removed the old location files @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/home/repository/revisions/11 (by Ammler) 11:17:14 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: #openttdcoop Development Zone - Revision 11: Removed the old location files @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/home/repository/revisions/11 (by Ammler) 11:17:14 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: #openttdcoop Development Zone - Feature #160: latest download @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/160 (by Ammler) 11:19:23 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Bug #161: name of the boxcar / boxcab @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/161 (by planetmaker) 11:22:24 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Bug #145: Redo (all) (cargo) wagons @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/145#change-317 (by planetmaker) 12:35:28 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: #openttdcoop - Feature #160: latest download @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/160 (by Ammler) 13:54:58 *** Hirundo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:04:03 <Brot6> firs: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/firs/firs/ initiated. 14:08:27 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 12324: [IS] Codechange: Use CompanySharingSettingsEntry::IsComp... @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/12324 (by Hirundo) 14:19:27 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 12325: [IS] Codechange: Deglobalize a needlessly global variable. @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/12325 (by Hirundo) 14:19:27 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 12326: [IS] Codechange: Make the new widgets array of the shari... @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/12326 (by Hirundo) 14:26:36 *** Hirundo has quit IRC 14:27:29 *** Hirundo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:29:51 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 199: fixed unnamed bug, the short livestock had a alignment flaw when full @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/199 (by DJNekkid) 15:47:37 <Ammler> Added the following hosts to /etc/hosts.deny: 15:47:39 <Ammler> 131.220.242.231 (macon.informatik.uni-bonn.de) 15:56:55 <planetmaker> :P 15:57:02 <planetmaker> not me :) 15:57:18 <planetmaker> nor Osai. Progman? 16:12:46 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:18:02 <Brot6> OpenGFX: nightly compile not needed. (r63) 16:21:31 *** Hirundo_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:21:46 *** Hirundo has quit IRC 16:21:57 *** Hirundo_ is now known as Hirundo 16:24:15 <andythenorth> hi 16:28:30 <andythenorth> planetmaker: have I missed some renum fun? 16:30:43 <planetmaker> yes. 16:30:51 <planetmaker> did you download the binary? 16:31:08 <andythenorth> yes 16:31:12 <planetmaker> does it work? 16:31:30 <andythenorth> let me see (been reading #openttd logs btw) 16:32:08 <planetmaker> If it does for you... I'll be glad, but surprised. 16:32:27 <planetmaker> the nforenum thread is also interesting :) 16:33:03 <andythenorth> doesn't work for me - same or similar assert as you 16:33:34 <planetmaker> ok :S 16:35:14 <planetmaker> a pity actually 16:36:31 <Ammler> andythenorth: possible to help this guy? 16:36:38 <Ammler> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=43816 16:36:40 <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums View topic - Much Questions for create 32pbb Graphics (at www.tt-forums.net) 16:36:55 <Ammler> he would like to help for opengfx 16:38:09 <andythenorth> ;) all my buildings are pixel art. I have done some CGI animation for other things, but nothing for the 32pbb project. Zephyris might be better, but he's busy! 16:38:34 <planetmaker> I *think* he showed up in #openttd two days ago or so. 16:39:10 <planetmaker> and Eddi calculated the angle he needed for him :) 16:39:34 <planetmaker> or do you have e-mail / pm contact, Ammler? 16:43:49 <Ammler> yes, he emaild me 16:45:01 <andythenorth> planetmaker: the make file for heqs doesn't *seem* to be calling renum. makefile.local is setup to use renum.exe via wine. that was working yesterday. help ?? 16:45:04 <andythenorth> :0 16:45:17 <andythenorth> :) 16:45:55 <planetmaker> hm... I'll have a look, andythenorth 16:46:04 <andythenorth> cool thanks 16:46:08 <planetmaker> Ammler, then he can be helped! 16:46:22 <Ammler> pm? 16:48:08 <planetmaker> Ammler, I should have said *should* be helped. 16:48:11 <planetmaker> what's his question? 16:48:14 *** Hirundo_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:48:54 <planetmaker> andythenorth, works for me. 16:49:07 <planetmaker> did you modify anything in heqs? 16:49:18 <planetmaker> e.g. did you modify heqs.pnfo? 16:49:40 <andythenorth> no, just wanted to check renum was running. is it conditional on something changing? 16:49:43 *** Hirundo__ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:50:17 <planetmaker> make won't do anything, if it doesn't find changes in the pnfo file 16:50:30 <planetmaker> you can do that by typing "touch sprites/heqs.pnfo 16:50:37 <planetmaker> without quotation mark 16:50:44 <planetmaker> it will pretend that the file is new 16:51:29 <andythenorth> yup, works as you described thanks 16:51:32 <planetmaker> basically it's a mechanism to save you time: if nothing changed, no need to wait :) 16:51:34 <planetmaker> ok :) 16:51:44 *** Hirundo___ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:52:19 <planetmaker> hm... the triple? quadruple? quintuple Hirundo___ ? quadruple 16:52:37 <Hirundo___> Never, ever get 'Ziggo' as your ISP :S 16:53:39 *** Hirundo has quit IRC 16:53:56 *** Hirundo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:54:31 * planetmaker hugs Hirundo 16:55:06 <Hirundo> 'Ziggo sucks' has thousands of hits on google, not without reason... 16:55:23 <planetmaker> he... 16:56:54 *** Hirundo_ has quit IRC 16:57:56 <andythenorth> so I have a heqs bug fix / minor update release to do. (1) normally I just stick it in the forum thread. (2) there's this pissy issue about changing filenames / grfid to work out. What do you guys advise? 16:58:17 <planetmaker> hg tag 0.4d 16:58:43 <planetmaker> or does the grfid need changing? 16:58:49 <planetmaker> not for a minor fix, no? 16:58:51 *** Hirundo__ has quit IRC 16:59:19 <planetmaker> oh, don't you publish it on bananas? 17:00:15 <Ammler> completly rubish, what belugas told yesterday ;-) 17:00:35 <Ammler> nobody changes the ID for version change. 17:01:06 *** Hirundo___ has quit IRC 17:01:07 <Ammler> some even don't change it, if they aren't compatible anymore. 17:02:06 <planetmaker> the latter, of course, is wrong... 17:03:36 <planetmaker> not your statement, of course. 17:03:40 <planetmaker> But ISR did it wrong 17:04:54 <andythenorth> grfid shouldn't change then. new version is 0.4c or 0.4d (only change is moving it to repo and using make, but I guess that's a significant change in build environment if not code?) 17:05:13 <andythenorth> I thought there was an issue with vehicles missing from buy menu in saved games. 17:05:33 <planetmaker> dunno. I haven't really tested it in between. 17:05:51 <andythenorth> ...which there is, but it seems to be a nightly problem, or some other unfixed bug in my code, not due to version bump. 17:05:51 <planetmaker> Making a release for the sake of the build system doesn't sound too reasonable for a newgrf, though :) 17:06:19 <andythenorth> well I'm kind of easy. c or d. 17:06:33 <planetmaker> well, releases don't hurt. 17:06:50 <planetmaker> Let's do it, then you know how it works :) 17:07:02 <Ammler> :-( 17:07:03 <andythenorth> I'll do d. Then I can differentiate between c which I already built and released on the forum 17:07:09 <planetmaker> Ammler, ? 17:07:22 <Ammler> my tag detector is broken :-) 17:07:28 <planetmaker> oh... 17:07:50 <Ammler> well, didn't do much today 17:07:50 <andythenorth> right, talk me through this shiny new way then :) 17:08:06 <planetmaker> 1) update changelog.txt :) 17:08:16 <planetmaker> and commit that. 17:08:24 <planetmaker> (does it have one already?) 17:08:41 <andythenorth> no 17:08:53 <Ammler> andythenorth: you change the GRFID? 17:08:58 <planetmaker> Ammler, no 17:08:59 <andythenorth> no 17:09:03 <Ammler> ok :-) 17:09:27 <planetmaker> andythenorth, maybe an idea to add changelog.txt? 17:09:58 <andythenorth> (looking at 2cc example) 17:10:18 <andythenorth> ok 17:10:45 <Ammler> well, if it isn't that big, you could include it to the readme 17:11:21 <andythenorth> probably better 17:11:28 <planetmaker> but well... it needs adding in Makefile.config, too: BUNDLE_FILES = $(GRF_FILENAME) docs/license.txt docs/changelog.txt 17:12:00 <planetmaker> btw. There's no readme either :) 17:12:47 <andythenorth> there is now ;) 17:13:08 <Ammler> min. is the GRF and a COPYING file for gpl, afaik 17:13:11 <planetmaker> ok, add it in the same line as I just posted in Makefile.config 17:13:36 <Ammler> but a readme is would be nice, if you have something to write :-) 17:15:50 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Heavy Equipment Set - Revision 20: Add: readme.txt @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/20 (by andythenorth) 17:15:51 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Heavy Equipment Set - Revision 21: Feature: added readme.txt and HEQS manual to Makefile config @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/21 (by andythenorth) 17:16:42 <andythenorth> I'll finish the contents of readme later... 17:17:04 <Ammler> what is the difference of readme and manual? 17:17:14 <planetmaker> andythenorth, the path to the pdf is missing 17:17:39 <planetmaker> it must also read docs/HEQS... 17:19:00 <andythenorth> (embarassed) 17:19:05 <andythenorth> fixed 17:20:26 <planetmaker> shit happens. :) 17:20:40 <andythenorth> Ammler: hmm good question. 17:21:31 <andythenorth> readme will contain changelog and point people to read everything else in the manual? 17:21:49 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Heavy Equipment Set - Revision 22: Fix: mistake with path to user manual pdf in makefile config @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/22 (by andythenorth) 17:24:37 <andythenorth> what next? 17:24:47 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 12327: [IS] Feature/Codechange: Sharing settings window is now ... @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/12327 (by Hirundo) 17:25:12 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/home/wiki/Making_a_release 17:25:32 <andythenorth> nice 17:25:35 <planetmaker> ok, files are obviously all updated - or let's assume that :) 17:26:04 <andythenorth> ok 17:26:19 <planetmaker> now tag the repository by means of "hg tag 0.4d" (or whatever version takes your fancy) 17:27:46 <planetmaker> and, of course, push after that, again. 17:27:59 <planetmaker> for hg it's just another revision 17:29:11 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 12328: (svn r16528) -Fix [FS#2959]: Draw PBS reservation as gro... @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/12328 (by frosch) 17:29:11 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 12329: (svn r16529) -Fix [NoAI]: StationIDs from oilrigs were n... @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/12329 (by yexo) 17:29:11 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 12330: (svn r16530) -Fix [FS#2964], (r16501): Deduct additional... @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/12330 (by alberth) 17:29:13 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 12331: (svn r16532) -Fix [Squirrel]: Don't copy an object when ... @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/12331 (by yexo) 17:29:17 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 12332: Merge from trunk @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/12332 (by Hirundo) 17:30:38 <planetmaker> Ammler, did Cryloud write more than just "I wanna help with OpenGFX"? 17:31:17 <andythenorth> advice on grf filename strategy? 17:32:21 <planetmaker> hm? don't you like heqs.grf? 17:32:40 <planetmaker> I would keep that name and stick with it through the same grfID 17:32:50 *** FooBar_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:33:06 <planetmaker> and if you use make bundle, you'll have an appropriately named tar and zip file. 17:33:23 <planetmaker> like heqs-0.4d.tar or heqs-0.4d.zip 17:35:20 <planetmaker> andythenorth, if you want to change the naming scheme, that's IMO an issue for the makefile :) 17:37:46 <andythenorth> heqs.grf is fine - but how to help players who like to keep old grfs around? 17:38:12 <planetmaker> it unpacks in a separate sub-directory. 17:38:16 <planetmaker> so they will have 17:38:30 <planetmaker> ~/Documents/OpenTTD/data/heqs-0.4d/heqs.grf 17:38:34 <planetmaker> ~/Documents/OpenTTD/data/heqs-0.5/heqs.grf 17:38:36 <planetmaker> etc 17:38:52 <planetmaker> or rather they keep the differently named tars. 17:40:51 <Ammler> wenn ich Ehrlich bin nervt es mich schon wenn ich mich 17:40:52 <Ammler> per Email an jemanden wenden muss wenn ich helfen möchte, 17:40:54 <Ammler> das hält bestimmt auch einige Leute davon ab zu helfen da 17:40:56 <Ammler> diese sich nicht direkt per ICQ xfire oder sonstigen Messengern 17:40:57 <Ammler> mit jemandem in Verbindung setzen können. 17:40:58 <Ammler> Ok jetzt zur Sache : 17:41:00 <Ammler> Ich möchte helfen bei 8bpp bzw. bei 32bpp Gebäuden für OpenTTD. 17:41:02 <Ammler> Dazu würde ich gerne per TS oder ICQ erklärt haben wie ich vorgehen muss, 17:41:03 <Ammler> wo und welche Standard-Texturen ich benutze oder Farben. 17:41:04 <Ammler> Vorraussetzung zum helfen ist obig genanntes (Starthilfe) und ich arbeite 17:41:06 <Ammler> ausschließlich mit Autodesk XSI (ehemalig Softimage) 3D-Software. 17:41:08 <Ammler> Hier ein paar kleine WIP Render aus unserer Crysis-MOD : 17:41:26 <Ammler> http://aurora-mod.de/uploads/media/dev%20diarys/MBT_thumb.png 17:41:28 <Ammler> http://s11b.directupload.net/images/090110/fjbg782r.jpg 17:41:29 <Ammler> http://aurora-mod.de/uploads/media/dev%20diarys/Cryloud/solar_thumb.png 17:41:31 <Ammler> http://aurora-mod.de/uploads/media/dev%20diarys/Cryloud/solar.png 17:42:12 <planetmaker> I like the dish. 17:43:41 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Heavy Equipment Set - Revision 23: Change: updated readme.txt @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/23 (by andythenorth) 17:43:41 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Heavy Equipment Set - Revision 24: Added tag 0.4c for changeset 4322647756ba @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/24 (by andythenorth) 17:43:41 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 12333: [IS] Codechange: Remove ShowCompanySharingSettings from ... @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/12333 (by Hirundo) 17:44:06 <planetmaker> andythenorth, in order to now make the correct version you need to do that (locally) 17:44:11 <planetmaker> hg up 0.4c 17:44:28 <planetmaker> and then at least make tar or make bundle 17:44:42 <planetmaker> it will give you the packed grf 17:44:53 <andythenorth> make bundle can't find the pdf and readme.txt - I'm looking into why 17:45:03 <planetmaker> ups? 17:45:16 <Ammler> planetmaker: you don't have dependecy set 17:45:17 <planetmaker> lemme check 17:45:29 <Ammler> andythenorth: make tar 17:45:34 <Ammler> and then make bundle 17:46:23 <andythenorth> k. testing 17:46:33 <planetmaker> sure, Ammler ? 17:46:41 <Ammler> yes, well 17:46:43 <Ammler> not sure. 17:47:05 <Ammler> at least it in 2cc 17:47:16 <Ammler> but I thought, it is wanted 17:48:12 <andythenorth> end of results for make tar: 17:48:13 <andythenorth> Renaming heqs.grf to heqs.bak 17:48:13 <andythenorth> Replacing heqs.grf with heqs.new 17:48:13 <andythenorth> Done! 17:48:14 <andythenorth> heqs.grf docs/license.txt docs/readme.txt docs/HEQS_User_Guide_v0.4.pdf 17:48:14 <andythenorth> cp: heqs-0.4c/docs/license.txt: No such file or directory 17:48:15 <andythenorth> cp: heqs-0.4c/docs/readme.txt: No such file or directory 17:48:15 <andythenorth> cp: heqs-0.4c/docs/HEQS_User_Guide_v0.4.pdf: No such file or directory 17:48:17 <andythenorth> make: [heqs-0.4c] Error 1 (ignored) 17:48:17 <andythenorth> # Create the release bundle with all files in one tar 17:48:19 <andythenorth> tar cf heqs-0.4c.tar heqs-0.4c 17:48:19 <andythenorth> Creating tar for publication 17:48:23 <planetmaker> yes, I see that 17:48:27 <planetmaker> have that, too 17:48:44 <planetmaker> :S 17:48:55 <andythenorth> path issue? 17:49:08 <planetmaker> somewhat. But my fault, not yours, I think 17:51:13 <planetmaker> not sure exactly where yet, though 17:53:14 <planetmaker> hm. I do have an idea. 17:53:17 <planetmaker> a missing line :( 17:53:35 <planetmaker> in the Makefile 17:53:46 <planetmaker> REPO_DIRS = $(dir $(BUNDLE_FILES)) 17:53:58 <planetmaker> right after -include ${MAKEFILELOCAL} 17:55:03 <planetmaker> and my tortoiseHG is annoying. 17:55:10 <planetmaker> Randomly throws errors :( 17:57:55 <planetmaker> andythenorth: do you want to name this version 0.4c ? 17:58:21 <planetmaker> didn't you want to call this d? Or...? 17:58:22 <andythenorth> 0.4d 17:58:34 <planetmaker> because you tagged it as 0.4c 17:58:51 <andythenorth> (oops) 0.4c it is then 17:58:59 <planetmaker> shall I fix that and make it (with the makefile fix) as 0.4d? 17:59:10 <planetmaker> your call which :) 17:59:38 <andythenorth> yes please do the fix and make it as 0.4d 17:59:43 <planetmaker> ok 17:59:56 <andythenorth> (I have to fix a production webserver for a minute, or find someone who can) 18:00:19 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Heavy Equipment Set - Revision 25: Fix: the (REPO_DIRS) was not initilized, such that creating th... @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/25 (by planetmaker) 18:04:02 <Brot6> 2cctrainset: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/OpenTTD/2cctrainset/ initiated. 18:04:10 <Brot6> is2: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/OpenTTD/infrastructure-sharing/ initiated. 18:06:39 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Heavy Equipment Set - Revision 26: Fix: remove erronous tag for 0.4c with a broken build system @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/26 (by planetmaker) 18:06:39 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Heavy Equipment Set - Revision 27: Added tag 0.4d for changeset c3f2019098db @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/27 (by planetmaker) 18:09:32 <planetmaker> andythenorth: hg pull && hg up 0.4d && make bundle :) 18:10:42 <andythenorth> done 18:11:50 <planetmaker> you should now have a dir and some files like heqs-0.4d 18:12:57 <planetmaker> use the archive of your choice for the forums (or zip the directory) and upload the dir's contents to bananas. 18:13:38 <andythenorth> neat. 18:13:40 <planetmaker> we could upload one of the bundles also to the files section of this. 18:14:13 <planetmaker> actually I want to change the zip. So that it is a direct zip of the dir, not of the tar 18:14:25 <andythenorth> think I need to change the name of the grf as displayed in the newgrf settings window though? 18:14:31 <planetmaker> but that's minor and no real bug, but a usability enhancement :) 18:14:37 <planetmaker> no 18:14:44 <planetmaker> it's done for you by makefile :) 18:15:38 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/13 18:16:11 *** Hirundo has quit IRC 18:16:43 *** Hirundo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:16:55 <planetmaker> It will show as Heavy Equipment Set 0.4d 18:16:55 <andythenorth> but there's no problem with changing it in makefile.config? I guess that would bump to version 0.4e for a tagged release :) 18:17:08 <planetmaker> hm? 18:17:23 <andythenorth> needs to be "HEQS (Preview) 0.4x" 18:17:37 <planetmaker> oh, we can still again remove the tag. 18:17:44 <planetmaker> I'll do it again. 18:17:51 <planetmaker> but why preview? 18:18:06 <planetmaker> I mean... it's a release, not a nightly. 18:18:10 <andythenorth> Do you prefer acronym or expanded for set names in newgrf window? 18:18:28 <planetmaker> I'm a bit indifferent. 18:18:37 <planetmaker> HEQS is a kind of trademark, though 18:18:39 <andythenorth> 'Preview' because it's not the full set, still missing lots of things. Doesn't matter I guess. Could remove it 18:18:55 <andythenorth> will remove preview 18:19:16 <planetmaker> GRF_NAME is what Makefile assumes to come in front of the version in the newgrf window 18:19:38 <andythenorth> yup found that. Should I do anything with hg before making the changes to makefile.config 18:19:40 <planetmaker> in the newgrf window GRF_NAME VERSION will show 18:19:46 <planetmaker> hg up 18:19:53 <planetmaker> you're now at 0.4d 18:21:02 <andythenorth> ok change made. commit and push? 18:21:13 <planetmaker> yup. I'll update the tag then. 18:21:19 <planetmaker> or you do that. 18:21:53 <planetmaker> we can still move 0.4d 18:22:57 <planetmaker> ah, I think I'll try it... I'm not yet 100% clear how to move the tag properly :) 18:23:27 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Heavy Equipment Set - Revision 28: Change: GRF_NAME = HEQS (Heavy Equipment Set) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/28 (by andythenorth) 18:24:56 <planetmaker> ok, tag moved 18:25:06 <planetmaker> hg tag -f 0.4d 18:25:14 <planetmaker> was the trick. Force the (same) tag :) 18:26:43 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Heavy Equipment Set - Revision 29: Added tag 0.4d for changeset fe3ff880ca5d @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/29 (by planetmaker) 18:26:43 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 47: Feature: German and Dutch translation files @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/47 (by foobar) 18:30:54 <andythenorth> ho hum. no change to GRF_NAME VERSION in newgrf window. "Heavy Equipment Set nightly-r19" :( 18:31:15 <andythenorth> makefile.config looks right in coop reop and locally 18:31:28 <andythenorth> probably a hg mistake / omission by me 18:31:50 <planetmaker> did you hg up 0.4d 18:32:22 <planetmaker> And: OpenTTD has some issues with finding the latest version, if there are more than one. 18:34:05 <andythenorth> so it does. one of it's issues is crashing when I hit rescan files :\ 18:34:28 <planetmaker> yes, when you remove while newgrf window is open :) 18:34:43 <planetmaker> hm... you use unmodified trunk? 18:34:57 <planetmaker> then please tell that in #openttd. I used my clientpatches version 18:35:25 <andythenorth> do I get a kicking if I put that in #openttd ?? :) 18:35:31 <andythenorth> shouldn't I put it on flyspray? 18:36:12 <planetmaker> No, you don't. Well, if you still make the bug report. I will do, though. 18:36:46 <planetmaker> anyway: it shows, after I deleted the nightly. 18:37:49 <planetmaker> he, I like my new title screen :) 18:40:58 <andythenorth> what new grf name do you see for heqs? 18:41:15 <planetmaker> HEQS (Heavy Equipment Set) 0.4d 18:41:36 <planetmaker> if you see another: delete the older versions 18:41:50 <andythenorth> Oh balls. I get the one suffixed with r19. I've deleted every heqs grf in the /data folder 18:41:59 <planetmaker> the filename of that tar is heqs-0.4d 18:42:01 <andythenorth> must be something to do with hg? 18:42:05 <planetmaker> yes, another version :) 18:42:08 <planetmaker> hg up 0.4d 18:42:17 <planetmaker> make bundle && make install 18:42:28 <andythenorth> done the above several times, same result :( 18:42:29 <planetmaker> and then delete the r19 in your OpenTTD data dir. 18:43:25 <planetmaker> and you get 19? not 29? 18:43:36 <andythenorth> opened the grf produced by make in Textwrangler...can see this string at the start of the file: Heavy Equipment Set nightly-r19 18:43:42 <planetmaker> then it's really an old file lurking around in your newgrf dir 18:44:07 <planetmaker> eh? 18:45:09 <andythenorth> makefile.config: GRF_NAME = HEQS (Heavy Equipment Set) 18:45:14 <andythenorth> ???!!!! 18:46:29 <andythenorth> it's as though make is using an older version of .config? 18:49:18 <andythenorth> planetmaker: I reckon if I touch or delete heqs.nfo it might fix the issue :) 18:49:37 <planetmaker> uhm... maybe, andythenorth :) 18:49:42 <planetmaker> just make clean 18:49:46 <planetmaker> that helps, too 18:49:50 <planetmaker> and tiedies up 18:49:53 <planetmaker> *tidies up 18:50:01 <planetmaker> deletes all unnecessary stuff 18:50:06 <planetmaker> created by makefile 18:51:10 <andythenorth> yep issue fixed. heqs.nfo had the grf name string set for the r19 nightly 18:52:12 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 48: Change: makefile config and added local makefile sample @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/48 (by foobar) 18:52:12 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 49: Cleanup: removed old windows batchfile @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/49 (by foobar) 18:54:16 <andythenorth> hey could be release time :) 18:54:44 <andythenorth> so does the devzone system push to bananas for me :) I guess not? 18:55:18 <planetmaker> nope, that doesn't happen yet :) 18:56:03 <planetmaker> how protective are you of the HEQS login to bananas? 18:56:16 <andythenorth> not hugely 18:56:31 <andythenorth> not even sure I've set one up yet 18:56:48 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/grfmanager 18:56:54 <planetmaker> ^ I added you there manager 18:57:15 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/grfmanager/wiki/BaNaNaS <-- look at that page :) 18:57:17 <Ammler> you could create a generic "devzone" account 18:57:21 <planetmaker> Maybe you want to do an edit. 18:59:06 <planetmaker> only the 5 members of that project can read that page. 18:59:29 <planetmaker> so it's by no means a really publicly readable website 19:01:05 *** Osai has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:01:12 <Osai> oioi 19:01:13 <Osai> :) 19:01:18 <Osai> so many coop channels 19:01:19 <planetmaker> hehe. Welcome to our new ... playground 19:01:25 <planetmaker> this is really busy :) 19:01:38 <andythenorth> planetmaker: edit done 19:01:57 <planetmaker> :) nice, andythenorth :) 19:02:13 <Osai> @op 19:02:18 <Osai> @makeop Osai 19:02:19 <Osai> :D 19:02:28 <Ammler> @makeop Osai 19:02:28 <Webster> Ammler: The operation succeeded. 19:02:30 <Osai> thx 19:02:38 <Ammler> sali :-) 19:02:53 <Osai> hi 19:03:38 <planetmaker> andythenorth: it's a bit around the terms of service for bananas, I think, but as long as there are not multiple authors allowed for a newgrf, we think it's an acceptable solution :) 19:03:45 <andythenorth> ok 19:03:46 <planetmaker> Just don't go around and tell everybody 19:04:07 <planetmaker> especially some devs might not like it too much :) 19:09:16 *** Hirundo_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:09:20 *** Hirundo has quit IRC 19:09:27 *** Hirundo_ is now known as Hirundo 19:09:36 <Ammler> well, at least yexo knows about. 19:10:20 <Ammler> Hirundo: do you want a bouncer? 19:10:57 <Ammler> maybe Osai gives you an account :-) 19:12:09 <planetmaker> :) 19:12:22 <planetmaker> +1 19:12:43 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 12334: [IS] Codechange: Restructure UpdateAllSharingSettings to... @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/12334 (by Hirundo) 19:12:43 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 12335: [IS] Fix: missing 'continue' statement. @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/12335 (by Hirundo) 19:13:01 <Hirundo> Free beer and cookies to the one who fixes my internet 19:13:25 <Ammler> bouncer would at least solve it from our sight :-) 19:13:25 <planetmaker> with a bouncer we wouldn't notice no more :P 19:13:47 <Ammler> and you wouldn't lose the backlog 19:14:00 <planetmaker> we could talk to you 24/7 :P 19:15:29 <andythenorth> incidentally any easy way to get something like #openttd has (thegrebs logs) 19:15:32 <andythenorth> ? 19:15:48 <planetmaker> for this channel? 19:15:59 <Ammler> do you read them? 19:16:24 <Ammler> I have some fear about, as we might share sensitive data sometime. 19:16:40 <planetmaker> hm, yes. 19:16:44 <Ammler> if you want logs, Webster or Brot could make them 19:16:48 <planetmaker> he needs a bouncer, too :) 19:17:09 <planetmaker> pong, pong pong... 19:17:13 <Ammler> you could set the backlog length of a bouncer 19:17:22 <Ammler> i.e. 100 lines or so 19:17:30 * planetmaker is getting foolish again 19:17:57 <Ammler> since I have the bouncer, I didn't use the log anymore 19:22:31 *** avO has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:22:39 <avO> Starting OpenTTD r15591 19:22:39 <avO> Starting new game 19:22:42 <avO> Enabled chat bridge to IRC. 19:22:42 <avO> Initialized Server: Osais Server 19:22:42 <avO> Landscape: 2 19:22:43 <avO> Dimensions: 512x512 19:22:44 <avO> Starting year: 2010 19:22:49 <planetmaker> eh? 19:22:52 <Osai> :P 19:23:00 <Osai> !list openttd 19:23:00 <avO> Osai: companies, password, pause, players, rcon, revision, save, say and unpause 19:23:13 <planetmaker> the server channel is still .dev :P 19:23:34 <Osai> nah, its a secret test for you 19:23:35 <Osai> !pause 19:23:36 <avO> Osai: You don't have permission to issue this command. 19:23:39 <Osai> @voice 19:23:39 *** Webster sets mode: +v Osai 19:23:42 <Osai> !pause 19:23:42 <avO> Game paused 19:23:45 <Osai> !unpause 19:23:46 <avO> Game unpaused 19:23:49 <Osai> @deop 19:23:55 <Osai> @devoice 19:23:55 *** Webster sets mode: -v Osai 19:24:00 <Osai> !unpause 19:24:00 <avO> Osai: You don't have permission to issue this command. 19:24:11 <Osai> jfyi 19:25:02 *** avO has quit IRC 19:25:06 <andythenorth> hmm, logs. do you guys keep transcripts? So if I missed something you could send me the transcript? 19:31:26 <planetmaker> andythenorth: well... one of my clients nearly always runs (except my bouncer gets disconnected), but... I hardly notice when you miss something ;) 19:33:01 <Hirundo> what bouncer do you use? 19:33:29 <andythenorth> no but I could ask. I am just thinking if a long discussion on something important happens, it's going to be annoying for you to answer my questions when you could just send the transcript?? 19:35:02 <planetmaker> andythenorth: sure you can :) If I can help, I'm happy to help 19:35:14 <planetmaker> Hirundo: we have one... Osai and Ammler know it better :) 19:35:25 <Ammler> Hirundo: znc 19:35:52 <Ammler> shall I ask for one for you? 19:36:43 <planetmaker> I'd support both of you there :) 19:38:01 <Ammler> else I setup a devzone bouncer ;-) 19:38:15 <planetmaker> :) 19:38:40 <Ammler> then you join with nicely ammler.ch netmask ;-) 19:42:33 <Hirundo> If you could setup a bouncer or tell me how to I would be most grateful 20:01:12 <andythenorth> perhaps. but there's a lot more to think about with trunk. nfo is a pretty safe little sandpit 20:01:14 <Ammler> hehe 20:02:29 <andythenorth> I guess I'm wondering if anyone else cares about RV gameplay. Or if it's just me George and Pikka :) 20:03:19 <Hirundo> It has been bugging me in the back of my mind, but it hasn't got that far since... 20:03:22 <planetmaker> andythenorth: the arguments for realistic accel for RV make perfect sense. And I'd like that in order to differeciate vehicles more 20:03:38 <planetmaker> but as usual... *someone*. And it's not an hour of work only :) 20:04:27 <Hirundo> It is made easier by the fact that CB 36 doesn't support any of the properties 20:04:58 <andythenorth> planetmaker: yes, I can see the complexity, I've read hertogjan's physics patch http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=22995 20:04:59 <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums View topic - Physics patches (at www.tt-forums.net) 20:05:30 <Ammler> maybe petern has already a patch for ;-) 20:06:13 <andythenorth> it doesn't *have* to be exactly realistic. I've made lots of pseudo-physics for 2D flash games. Often simple models are close enough. 20:06:19 <andythenorth> sometimes the real maths is just easier though ;) 20:07:02 <planetmaker> hehe :) 20:07:55 <planetmaker> yep, it's not like F=m*a is difficult :). Just change m and F_max is given by the vehicle. 20:08:11 <planetmaker> such a is easy :) 20:09:33 <andythenorth> myself, I don't care if it's realistic. What I'd like is a reason to choose one 35t capacity vehicle instead of another. Like one is faster, but can't climb hills and vice versa. Or high horsepower comes at high cost. etc. 20:10:19 <planetmaker> yep. And that's IMO a worthwhile desire 20:10:36 <andythenorth> ...quite a few RV sets popping up 20:10:45 <planetmaker> hehe :) 20:10:58 <planetmaker> and heqs 2.0 would be more interesting :) 20:11:06 *** Hirundo has quit IRC 20:11:22 <andythenorth> if roadtypes was available, heqs 3.0 would be even more interesting. 20:11:30 <planetmaker> :D 20:11:34 <andythenorth> wonder if a prize fund would work to attract 'someone'? 20:11:44 *** Hirundo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:12:03 <planetmaker> maybe. maybe not. The point is still: it has to be accepted by a dev 20:12:15 <andythenorth> that would be a condition of the prize :) 20:12:16 <planetmaker> so it would need official endorsement 20:12:37 <andythenorth> I don't think I can afford a good enough prize though :) 20:15:09 <andythenorth> maybe 'someone' would like the glory :D 20:26:56 <planetmaker> Hirundo: when can the compile farm be triggered? 20:27:10 <Hirundo> When it's done :) 20:28:29 <planetmaker> well. I just wonder if I should ask now, or later :) 20:30:26 <planetmaker> I wonder as I have Truebrain around right now :) 20:31:49 <planetmaker> ^ Hirundo 20:33:00 <Ammler> well, you can tell him already :-) 20:33:15 <planetmaker> to do what? 20:33:29 <Ammler> that hirundo is preparing next release 20:33:30 <planetmaker> hey, mind, I want something of you somewhen? 20:34:02 <Ammler> :-) 20:38:21 <planetmaker> hm. phone. So I guess good night for today :) 20:38:29 * planetmaker waves 20:40:05 <Ammler> nightly 20:41:42 <andythenorth> bye 20:42:50 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 12336: [IS] Prepare: IS2.0-beta3 @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/12336 (by Hirundo) 20:47:13 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 12337: Added tag IS2.0-beta3 for changeset 56a047d6bab4 @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/12337 (by Hirundo) 20:48:23 <Ammler> [22:46] <petern> i did rv acceleration some when <-- what did I say :-) 20:58:00 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: #openttdcoop - Feature #160 (Assigned): latest download @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/160#change-319 (by foobar) 21:04:17 *** Hirundo__ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:05:18 *** Hirundo has quit IRC 21:05:23 *** Hirundo__ is now known as Hirundo 21:42:20 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: #openttdcoop - Feature #160: latest download @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/160#change-320 (by Ammler) 21:46:51 *** Hirundo has quit IRC 22:03:49 *** FooBar_ has quit IRC 22:04:03 <Brot6> firs: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/firs/firs/ initiated. 22:04:09 <Brot6> is2: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/OpenTTD/infrastructure-sharing/ initiated. 22:15:32 *** andythenorth has quit IRC