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01:33:22 <Brot6> Backup done! (Usage: 60M) 01:33:22 <Brot6> Inside, I'm already SOBBING! 02:04:04 <Brot6> firs: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/firs/firs/ initiated. 07:00:20 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:20:22 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 08:24:27 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:52:48 *** andythenorth_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:53:28 *** FooBar_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:56:29 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 09:00:53 *** andythenorth_ has quit IRC 09:03:26 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 09:17:42 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 62: Change: firs.pnfo now is a plain text source file li... @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/62 (by planetmaker) 09:20:32 <andythenorth> Morning 09:20:38 <planetmaker> moin :) 09:21:32 <andythenorth> Do I (a) draw bulldozers (b) draw industries (c) write some industry code (d) learn more about make (e) none of the above? I have about one hour today for this... 09:21:40 <andythenorth> Place your votes... 09:23:07 <planetmaker> I vote for b or c 09:23:27 <planetmaker> preferrably actually b 09:23:44 <planetmaker> Because I know I cannot do that satisfactorily. With a bit of effort, I might learn c ;) 09:24:05 <planetmaker> make is evil. 09:24:27 <andythenorth> Well I've been avoiding drawing the farms. Maybe I'll try that 09:24:36 <planetmaker> I had a nice sequence how to get the file list from the main file - and it failed on windows :S 09:25:10 <planetmaker> Thus commit #62 now. All files defined plain text and I create the main file with #include myself within makefile 09:33:06 <Ammler> planetmaker: awk 09:33:17 <planetmaker> Ammler: not needed IMO 09:33:26 <planetmaker> A plain text source list file is fine 09:33:49 <planetmaker> Actually I'm just working on extending it such that the dependent pcx files can be put in there, too 09:34:08 <planetmaker> first a hack, and now preferred ;) 09:34:20 <Ammler> hmm, aren't those already in the nfo? 09:34:24 <planetmaker> btw, OpenTTD has also such file :) 09:34:57 <Ammler> source.lst 09:35:08 <planetmaker> Ammler: they are... you want to grep the whole nfo for the pcx and extract that? 09:35:50 <planetmaker> might be possible, yes... 09:36:00 <Ammler> no, but how else? 09:36:24 <Ammler> else you have redundancy, and you know, how "ugly" that is :P 09:36:31 <planetmaker> :P 09:36:59 <planetmaker> Well. I'll add the possibility for now to specify them. So far they're no dependency at all. So it's still an improvement. 09:37:13 <planetmaker> which can be further improved :) 09:38:52 <planetmaker> anyway, I found out that sed is not sed. It depends upon which sed... 09:39:09 <planetmaker> and within makefiles things work differently again, sometimes... :S 09:39:18 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 63: Feature: allow to specify the required pcx files wit... @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/63 (by planetmaker) 09:41:27 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 09:41:37 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 09:42:27 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 64: Change: added fences to default_blocks.psd. @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/64 (by andythenorth) 09:47:44 <Ammler> planetmaker: did you try what happens, if the grfcodec doesn't find a pcx? 09:48:08 <planetmaker> no. But grfcodec will fail, thus make fails 09:48:33 <planetmaker> grfcodec is no optional part of it, it's a pre-requisite of the grf. 09:48:34 <Ammler> hmm, how you know, it fails, if you didn't try? :-o 09:48:46 <planetmaker> well... I did some time ago. 09:49:00 <planetmaker> I know what happens, if grfcodec fails in general 09:49:03 <Ammler> but then you have your check :-) 09:49:18 <planetmaker> yes, kind of :) 09:51:16 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 65: Change: add all phony targets explicitly as phony ta... @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/65 (by planetmaker) 09:56:00 <Ammler> he, what is phony? 09:59:40 <planetmaker> targets which don't make a file, but do something else. Like make clean or so 10:00:08 <planetmaker> e.g. if you created a file called 'test', then called make test, make would say 'nothing to do' 10:00:22 <planetmaker> as it considers an existing file without rule up to date 10:00:32 <planetmaker> phony tells make that it always has to do something 10:00:43 <planetmaker> as it's not a file 10:04:03 <Brot6> firs: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/firs/firs/ initiated. 10:04:07 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 66: Doc: add the new gcc parameters to the sample local ... @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/66 (by planetmaker) 10:07:35 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 67: Change: added fenced yards with cows to dairy_farm.psd @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/67 (by andythenorth) 10:07:35 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 68: Merge @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/68 (by andythenorth) 10:07:42 <planetmaker> :P 10:19:40 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 10:34:32 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:01:17 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 69: Change: check for an existing install dir before try... @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/69 (by planetmaker) 11:09:05 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Support #255: using pre-processor to allow using ID_<whatever> in... @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/255#change-552 (by planetmaker) 11:41:36 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Feature #94: Sprites 912:989 (78) - African manager faces @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/94#change-553 (by foobar) 11:52:29 *** FooBar_ has quit IRC 12:43:36 <planetmaker> http://paste.openttd.org/183475 <-- if anyone can give me an idea why the OS detection like that doesn't work or has an idea how it could work, I'd appreciate input :) 12:44:06 <planetmaker> I just spent 1.5 hours on ... nothing :S 12:51:12 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 12:53:48 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:55:00 <Ammler> planetmaker: where is the detection, you just read the env var ;-) 12:55:19 <planetmaker> Ammler: it's a conditional execution 12:55:24 <Ammler> which works at least here. 12:55:25 <planetmaker> if (...) 12:59:37 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 70: Change: added farmhouse tile to dairy_farm.psd @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/70 (by andythenorth) 13:01:34 <andythenorth> Did some drawing ;) 13:03:00 <planetmaker> :) 13:03:30 <planetmaker> let's pull and look :) 13:06:59 <planetmaker> [15:04] <planetmaker> andythenorth: the meadows are very small, if only half a tile... 13:07:01 <planetmaker> [15:05] <planetmaker> especially for cows that seems like caged ;) 13:07:04 <planetmaker> ^wrong channel 13:09:57 <andythenorth> planetmaker: ^ I'm talking about it in #openttd anyway. Excuse to mention arbitrary animated ground tiles :P 13:10:11 <planetmaker> :P I noticed ;) 13:10:15 <andythenorth> Not that it will make any bloody difference to getting it coded :D 13:10:36 <planetmaker> :) 13:10:47 <planetmaker> anyway, I think I should get some fresh air :) 13:11:57 <andythenorth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=42440 13:11:58 <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums View topic - NFO: Industry plants arbitrary custom tiles (at www.tt-forums.net) 13:12:43 <Ammler> planetmaker: I assume, those things will be ususally made by configure :-) 14:04:03 <Brot6> firs: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/firs/firs/ initiated. 14:05:52 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 14:08:25 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:25:23 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 15:00:29 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 12420: (svn r16613) -Fix [NewGRF]: some of the var action 2 80+... @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/12420 (by yexo) 15:00:29 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 12421: (svn r16614) -Codechange: Make the airport min/max avail... @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/12421 (by yexo) 15:00:29 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 12422: (svn r16615) -Fix (r16613): 0x10 != 2 @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/12422 (by yexo) 15:00:31 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 12423: [IS] Merge: trunk up to r16615 @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/12423 (by Hirundo) 16:18:02 <Brot6> OpenGFX: nightly compile not needed. (r72) 16:59:02 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 212: Concorde Acceleration set to 03 @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/212 (by Frank) 17:02:30 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 71: Feature: If no installdir is defined assume a defaul... @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/71 (by planetmaker) 17:09:51 <Ammler> planetmaker: still sh? 17:10:45 <planetmaker> hm? what do you mean? 17:11:02 <Ammler> instead of bash 17:11:13 <Ammler> (shell in your Makefile) 17:11:22 <planetmaker> I hope so. It was what alberth and petern reccomended to use. 17:11:33 <planetmaker> and Rubi didn't contradict :) 17:11:51 <Ammler> I would use bash as you don't have someone using something else. 17:11:53 <planetmaker> uname -s should work in any shell, also afaik 17:12:08 <planetmaker> I wouldn't limit it, if not necessary 17:12:29 <Ammler> well, you had already a bug with it. 17:13:06 <planetmaker> yes, I know. But so what? 17:13:18 <Ammler> you should use bash until someone ask for support another shell 17:13:21 <planetmaker> yes, I cannot support it. But if it works? 17:14:09 <Ammler> It didn't :P 17:14:30 <planetmaker> did you try current version? 17:14:41 <Ammler> no, I use bash 17:15:07 <Ammler> did you try it? 17:16:50 <planetmaker> no 17:16:57 <Ammler> nobody would complain about using bash, so why not make it easy and just use it? 17:19:06 <planetmaker> what's difficult about it now as is? 17:19:25 <planetmaker> that people can come and complain about it not working in korn shell? 17:19:55 <planetmaker> maybe they do. Maybe they then even supply a proper patch as Rubidium did for dash :) 17:20:05 <planetmaker> if not - who cares? 17:20:17 <Ammler> well, it is imo unneeded, but when you like ot support it... 17:22:27 <Ammler> I wouldn't be able to test dash 17:24:31 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 213: Airbus Accelerations done @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/213 (by Frank) 17:25:50 *** Frankr has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:28:09 <planetmaker> I'm not able to support it really either. But I'd like to keep that until it breaks. 17:28:13 <planetmaker> not vice versa :) 17:32:50 <Ammler> ah, that is what I try to tell the whole time, it did already. 17:33:25 <planetmaker> And it was fixed 17:33:31 <planetmaker> so? 17:34:04 <planetmaker> I kinda don't understand the argument: "it broke, it was fixed, thus we skip to support it" 17:34:10 <Ammler> well, how do you know, it works now? 17:34:23 <planetmaker> I have sufficient trust in Rubidium 17:34:50 <planetmaker> how do you think it works with e.g. fixes for Mac on OpenTTD? 17:35:07 <Ammler> well, Rubi doesn't use dash, either. 17:35:19 <Ammler> he just tested it once with dash. 17:35:41 <Ammler> well, nvm. 17:35:57 <Ammler> planetmaker: that is completely different 17:36:15 <Ammler> and OpenTTD does compile Mac builds, btw. 17:36:33 <planetmaker> :) and this makefile runs on dash until proven otherwise :) 17:37:07 <Ammler> how do you prove that, that is my question since I asked "still sh" :P 17:40:25 <Ammler> he, is it even needed? 17:41:32 <planetmaker> *sigh* 17:41:53 <planetmaker> I ask the otherway around: why the hell shall I say it runs only on bash? 17:42:11 <planetmaker> I also don't say it only runs on OpenSuSE 11.0 17:42:15 <planetmaker> same thing, different colour 17:42:39 <Ammler> no 17:42:44 <Ammler> you wouldn't say that 17:43:02 <Ammler> you don't use the variable anyway, do you? 17:43:50 <Ammler> if I comment that out, make works here. 17:44:19 <Ammler> you define "SHELL", but you use "shell" 17:44:22 <planetmaker> yes. as /bin/sh is an implicit assumption 17:44:39 <planetmaker> he. That might be a bug ;) 17:45:35 <Ammler> don't see a define for SHELL in openttd either. 17:46:18 <Ammler> and you could move it to config, so somone could change it to dash, if you so much like ot support it. 17:48:59 <planetmaker> I cannot. It has to be defined before I use it. 17:49:20 <Ammler> it doesn't need 17:49:36 <Ammler> I remvoed that row and Makefile still works 17:50:00 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 72: Feature: add the version information automatically t... @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/72 (by planetmaker) 17:50:00 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 73: Fix: shell != SHELL - mind your cases (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/73 (by planetmaker) 17:50:44 <Ammler> ah, I didn't report that, you know :P 17:50:51 <planetmaker> you did :P 17:50:58 <Ammler> that was my esplaination for useless SHELL defines 17:51:19 <planetmaker> and yes, it's right. Case matters or may matter. Having it differently is no good thing 17:51:34 <planetmaker> I know it for other variables and stumbled over it quite a few times 17:51:56 <Ammler> well 17:52:01 <Ammler> you fixed it the wrong way 17:52:17 <Ammler> my patch was removing :P 17:52:37 <planetmaker> I won't do that 17:52:42 <planetmaker> read the manual 17:52:45 <planetmaker> of make 17:52:55 <Ammler> why doesn't openttd do it? 17:54:02 <Ammler> making useless things without knowing why, is bad, sorry. 17:54:41 <planetmaker> they have out-sourced shell access to configure presumably 17:55:01 <planetmaker> Ammler: you're right now annoying. Please read the make manual 17:55:29 <planetmaker> Unless you show me that it's detrimental to follow the manual, don't tell me that it's wrong 17:55:32 <Ammler> he 17:55:41 <Ammler> linky 17:55:51 <planetmaker> google: make 17:55:57 <Ammler> oh, well 17:56:14 <planetmaker> one of the 1st three links is gnu make manual 18:00:44 <planetmaker> http://www.gnu.org/software/make/manual/make.html#Preparing <-- there. It's not required, but it makes obvious what is used anyway 18:00:45 <Webster> Title: GNU `make' (at www.gnu.org) 18:01:04 <planetmaker> and in order to be reminded of what is done, I like to keep it that way 18:04:03 <Brot6> firs: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/firs/firs/ initiated. 18:04:09 <Brot6> is2: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/OpenTTD/infrastructure-sharing/ initiated. 18:04:45 <Ammler> planetmaker: but then "SHELL" (upcase is still right) 18:05:08 <planetmaker> ? 18:05:21 <Ammler> > echo $SHELL 18:05:23 <Ammler> /bin/bash 18:05:38 <Ammler> it should "overwrite" the env variable, shouldn't? 18:06:18 <Ammler> and shell is a make command which uses the SHELL variable 18:07:24 <planetmaker> not if I explicitly tell it to use shell ;) 18:08:09 <planetmaker> but yes, it should overwrite the var at best 18:08:25 *** planetmaker has left #openttdcoop.devzone 18:09:08 *** planetmaker has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:09:08 *** Webster sets mode: +o planetmaker 18:09:12 <planetmaker> hmpf 18:09:20 <planetmaker> Ctrl+W on wrong window :S 18:11:08 <Ammler> why does Webster op you? 18:11:28 *** Ammler has left #openttdcoop.devzone 18:11:36 *** Ammler has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:11:36 *** Webster sets mode: +o Ammler 18:11:41 <planetmaker> :) 18:11:45 <planetmaker> not only me as it seems 18:16:14 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 74: Fix: use only uppercase for variable names. Do that ... @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/74 (by planetmaker) 18:16:14 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 75: Fix (r74): save all files before committing @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/75 (by planetmaker) 18:19:15 <Ammler> @deop 18:19:15 *** Webster sets mode: -o Ammler 18:38:27 <Frankr> Is there any1 here? 18:38:38 <Ammler> no 18:39:04 <Frankr> ammler do u understand the retirement property in Action 0 18:40:20 <Ammler> when the vehicle will retire? 18:41:31 <Frankr> it's to do with the vehicle retiring earlier by so many yrs before phase 2 18:41:49 <Frankr> ours is set to 0A by DJNekkid 18:42:01 <Ammler> do you understand the 3 phases? 18:42:35 <Frankr> i think thy are to do with the % of reliability 18:42:48 <Frankr> not sure tho 18:43:10 <Ammler> how is the vehicle life set? 18:44:04 <Frankr> Action 0, 03 is vehicle life thn so many yrs 18:44:05 <Ammler> you could remove the vehilce from the list earlier then it goes down with reability 18:45:29 <Frankr> so is ours currently set to 10 yrs and therefore conflicting with my model age of 6yrs 18:45:39 <Ammler> and how many years is it set for the vehicle with 0a? 18:45:47 <Frankr> would that be the problem? 18:46:05 <Frankr> 0A is the Hex for 10yrs i think 18:46:08 <Ammler> it would retire before becomming phase 2 :-) 18:46:40 <Ammler> 1 7 to 38 months increases from 48-73% to 75-100% 18:46:42 <Ammler> 2 prop. 04 less 8 years stays constant at peak, 75-100% 18:46:43 <Ammler> 3 10 to 20.5 years decreases from peak to 25-50% 18:47:23 <Frankr> so it is the conflict thn 18:48:16 <Ammler> might be, not sure 18:48:22 *** Ammler has left #openttdcoop.devzone 18:48:31 *** Ammler has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:48:48 <Ammler> @op 18:48:48 *** Webster sets mode: +o Ammler 18:49:50 <Frankr> i'll try removing retire vehicle and see wat happens, thx for the help ammler 18:49:56 <Ammler> @deop 18:49:56 *** Webster sets mode: -o Ammler 18:50:17 <Ammler> Frankr: yw, I just intepreted the wiki ;-) 18:50:58 <Frankr> yh well i'm a bit new to this codin thing only been doin it a week now 18:51:08 <Frankr> don't always quite understand the wiki 18:51:11 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:51:29 <Frankr> ty 18:53:16 <Ammler> if you use early retire, you should set a higher phase 2time span 18:53:52 <Ammler> the setting is to have better reability for vehicles on the selling list. 18:54:15 <Ammler> iiur 18:54:28 <Frankr> ok how would i be able to set that?# 18:57:00 <Ammler> you mean to remove it? 18:57:09 <Ammler> as you said, it is already set... 18:57:22 <Ammler> just remove the properity and decrase the counter 18:57:52 <Frankr> ok 18:58:58 <Frankr> thnx i'm learnin just a lot of info to know 19:00:13 <Ammler> you could also just rise the ability time (phase 2) 19:00:37 <Ammler> so the plane would be available for long in a stable reability 19:01:10 <Frankr> wat action is that? 19:05:15 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 19:07:47 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:16:42 <Frankr> i'll be away for bout an hour gone to watch top gear 19:19:49 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 19:22:24 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:36:07 <Ammler> Frankr: still action 0 19:36:27 <Ammler> prop4 20:46:43 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 76: Change: tidied up redundant layer from dairy_farm.psd @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/76 (by andythenorth) 20:46:43 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 77: Change: added arable_farm.psd and started graphics f... @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/77 (by andythenorth) 20:55:36 <planetmaker> http://www.selenic.com/mercurial/bts/issue1699 <-- he. That nasty thing was triggered by worldairlineset around r50 20:55:38 <Webster> Title: Issue 1699: MacOS-X (10.4.11): IOError invalid mode "wb" - Mercurial issue tracker (at www.selenic.com) 21:21:00 *** Frankr has quit IRC 21:21:29 *** Frankr has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:59:46 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 22:04:03 <Brot6> firs: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/firs/firs/ initiated. 23:19:21 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Bug #271: Sort Plane Costs @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/271 (by Frank) 23:48:20 *** Frankr has quit IRC 23:52:00 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 214: Load of Rubbish, 737-100 and -300F @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/214 (by Frank)