Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 25th June 2009:
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05:25:07  <planetmaker> Ammler: I wished German would be switched. But it isn't. Too many translators I was told :S
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06:18:03  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Feature #136: add test case / test save @ (by planetmaker)
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06:59:46  <Ammler> planetmaker: you and eddi are the only active ones
06:59:52  <Ammler> so it should be up2you2
07:00:16  <planetmaker> Eddi hasn't done anything unless he's called Ralph
07:00:29  <Ammler> hmm
07:00:42  <planetmaker> He's a good contributor in the translation thread, though.
07:00:51  <planetmaker> dih did something several months ago, too.
07:00:56  <planetmaker> Until I started :P
07:01:05  <Ammler> I still miss the credits for translators, is that somewhere?
07:01:19  <planetmaker> Dunno. Might actually be not.
07:01:26  <planetmaker> Good point :)
07:01:51  <planetmaker> Well.... actually it's in the same place as patches: the changelog
07:02:21  <Ammler> how do you know, who to blame?
07:02:50  <Ammler> ah
07:03:10  <Ammler> the commit log of the language file, indeed
07:03:20  <planetmaker>
07:03:25  <planetmaker> yeah
07:04:44  <Ammler> hmm
07:04:55  <Ammler> not that easy accessable
07:06:00  <Ammler> you should check, who made changes the last year, those would need to agree for a switch.
07:08:09  <planetmaker> that's what they did. They took 15 months activity period.
07:08:37  <planetmaker> And that will show at least Ralph, dih and me. Maybe one or two more
07:14:25  <Ammler> wow
07:15:03  <planetmaker> at least two more :)
07:19:07  <planetmaker> moewe, Masch, sulai, dih, jonathan, athaba, chu, hellow, ralph, eddi (you're right!)
07:19:11  <planetmaker> I'm amazed myself
07:19:34  <planetmaker> at least 10 translators since ~March 2008
07:22:34  <Ammler> well, reason for a brak :-)
07:23:15  <Ammler> wait until it is on WT3, then you see, who else will translate on the old interface.
07:25:01  <Ammler> do you get email annouceses, if the translation desyncs
07:25:03  <Ammler> ?
07:32:45  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Code review: #1(Closed) @ (by Ammler)
07:38:20  <planetmaker> It's an either or decision: a language is translated using wt2 or wt3. Not both.
07:38:53  <Ammler> hg log -v german.txt | grep -E "^german|^date"
07:39:15  <planetmaker> what does that give you?
07:39:57  <Ammler> editor list from the changelog
07:40:20  <planetmaker> nice
07:41:14  <Ammler> you forgot hellow in your list
07:41:24  <Ammler> oh no
07:41:47  <planetmaker> :)
07:45:25  <planetmaker> ah... just got an e-mail. Only wt3 will work now.
07:45:38  <planetmaker> I need to re-sign-in for write access...
07:46:02  <Ammler> bananas account
07:46:03  <planetmaker> And I'll need to remove my openttd account from the dev zone...
07:46:15  <planetmaker> yes. But I need to re-apply for write access.
07:46:56  <Ammler> do you have grfs on your bananas account?
07:47:11  <planetmaker> well. I have a height map :)
07:47:12  <Ammler> else you should remove it from the "Manager" list
07:47:32  <Ammler> or use another for Translations
07:48:36  <planetmaker> I just remove that, I guess. The mars height map is done basically.
07:48:49  <planetmaker> and I only uploaded it in order to test the interface ;)
07:52:45  <planetmaker> and wth: why is the default Italian?
07:53:27  <planetmaker> eh? No... change password transformed me to spanish version of the site...
07:55:57  <planetmaker> I just loged out. Loged in anew. Chose WebTranslator. Edit. And was - again - at the Italian translation... I wonder why?
08:03:13  <Ammler> yeah
08:03:16  <Ammler> :-)
08:03:40  <Ammler> btw. someone added german translation for IS2
08:09:08  <planetmaker> nice.
08:11:12  <Ammler> you should commit it :-)
08:11:33  <planetmaker> uhm... yes, why not :)
08:11:45  <planetmaker> but where is it? :)
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08:20:17  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Feature #278: german translation @ (by Ammler)
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11:29:34  <planetmaker> Ammler, you added somewhen somehwere the gimp palette for sprite drawing. Can you point me to it?
11:30:10  <Ammler> on the guide
11:30:28  <Ammler>
11:31:05  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Feature #102: Sprites 2981-3016 (36) - monolev engines @ (by Ammler)
11:31:37  <planetmaker> thanks. I looked nearly everywhere... I looked in "files" though, not documents.
11:32:55  <Ammler> files is havily "missuesd" by you :P
11:33:17  <Ammler> (and DJN)
11:33:24  <planetmaker> :P
11:33:36  <planetmaker> I find documents and files confusing :)
11:33:41  <planetmaker> But I guess you're right
11:33:51  <planetmaker> so... how do I import that palette to Gimp?
11:34:34  <Ammler> :-)
11:36:17  <planetmaker> I can change the palette but not import any. But probably I'm just missing the obvious
11:36:39  <planetmaker> I just want to extract from egrvts some vehicles... but the palette is messed up
11:40:51  <Ammler> right mouse click on the palette list
11:43:24  <Ammler> Farben -> Abbilden -> Farbtabelle setzen -> klick auf die Palette -> rechte maustaste
11:44:09  <Ammler> he, kan kein screen machen :-)
11:44:55  <planetmaker> ok. Gerade auch irgendwie gefunden.
11:45:14  <planetmaker> as usual. You only find something after you asked. At least typical for me ;)
11:45:41  <planetmaker> I plan to import some egrvts sprites to OpenGFX. Just got Zephyris permission.
11:45:47  <Ammler> the palette is on the svn repo of too, btw.
11:46:21  <Ammler> but mine has the index number as lable, the one from the repo has labels "unknown"
11:46:48  <Ammler> why/where are they needed?
11:47:29  <planetmaker>
11:47:31  <Ammler> I guess, toyland :-)
11:47:34  <planetmaker> yes
11:47:41  <planetmaker> but they can double there. At least partially
11:48:52  <Ammler> I really don't see need for reusing the sprites on toyland, imo, that is kinda useless.
11:49:33  <Ammler> or do you change them a bit?
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11:51:35  <planetmaker> hm... do I need to? ;)
11:52:11  <Ammler> well, for alpha release, it is fien
11:52:15  <Ammler> fine*
11:52:19  <planetmaker> I think they can be re-used. And replaced, if something else is found. I'll just look for replacements, completely un-biased from what is elsewhere :)
11:52:31  <planetmaker> Well... should be for beta.
11:52:31  <Ammler> but the beta release should use "real" toyland replacment
11:52:55  <planetmaker> Look at the table and tell me what is particular toylandish about those.
11:53:09  <planetmaker> Some yes, but others could just use some sprites from a random vehicle set.
11:53:32  <Ammler> they indeed aren't :-)
11:53:50  <planetmaker> So... I think it'll be fine.
11:53:55  <Ammler> well, the cargo
11:54:01  <planetmaker> otherwise I wouldn't have gotten the idea :)
11:54:28  <planetmaker> And yes... cargo. That's different. I'll just use images where it is ok. Not "it has to fit, so use a bigger hammer, if it doesn't" :P
11:56:38  <Ammler> well, cargo could use the grain, ore and coal and some recolor
11:56:51  <Ammler> shouldn't be that hard
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12:01:39  <planetmaker> yeah... for some.
12:01:53  <planetmaker> For now I'll just look through for fitting images.
12:02:02  <planetmaker> One step after another :P
12:02:05  <planetmaker> I'm no artist :P
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12:02:23  <planetmaker> but of course... you want to draw and re-colour: go ahead :)
12:21:36  <Ammler> bugger, I need a German or Austria bank account for amazon :-(
12:21:52  <Ammler> are you interested on a 13€ gift? :-)
12:25:55  <planetmaker> I don't mind :)
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12:58:54  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Feature #124: Sprites 601:760 (160) - Road trucks @ (by planetmaker)
13:33:25  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Revision 75: Fix: version information in the description was broken @ (by planetmaker)
14:04:05  <Brot6> opengfx: Backup push to ssh:// initiated.
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16:18:02  <Brot6> OpenGFX: update from r74 to r75, starting nightly compile
16:18:31  <Brot6> OpenGFX: nightlies compile finished with 55 errors:
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17:15:08  <planetmaker> Quote from Zephyris: "Ah, I see, I forgot about toyland! Please do use and modify the GRVTS graphics!"
17:17:05  <Ammler> :-)
17:29:15  <planetmaker> ha. Bus seems to drive around nicely... :)
17:30:04  <planetmaker> But I cannot commit it yet as I cannot commit the whole egrvts sprites :P
17:31:10  <planetmaker> hm... How do you put the real sprites into a file...?
17:31:12  * planetmaker wonders
17:31:29  <planetmaker> Anything beyond just put them onto a white background and be done?
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17:37:30  <Ammler> planetmaker: no problem to commit the whole file
17:37:43  <Ammler> grfcodec will only encode the used sprites
17:38:46  <Ammler> planetmaker: easiest would be, you use the original sprite file
17:39:13  <Ammler> and place the uses sprties exaclty like it, so you can use the same offsets
17:40:35  <Ammler>
17:42:31  <Ammler> well, you will find your way ;-)
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19:56:37  <planetmaker> Ammler: yes, that'd be easiest. And actually preferred by me.
19:57:06  <planetmaker> But! it would place the whole egrvts drawings into gpl. Which would IMO be stretching the permission.
19:57:48  <Ammler> but you could use the whole pcx
19:57:58  <Ammler> and cut the unused vehicels
19:58:09  <Ammler> so you have still the same offsets
19:58:33  <Ammler> did you get the source from zeph?
20:04:12  <planetmaker> I didn't ask. We only need the sprites anyway.
20:04:20  <planetmaker> You mean wrt offsets?
20:06:41  <Ammler> wrt?
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20:12:30  <satyap> greetings. Ammler said i should come here
20:12:50  <Ammler> nice to have you here
20:12:54  <Ammler> :-)
20:13:48  <Ammler> is your homepage made with ror?
20:14:17  <satyap> no it's not
20:14:27  <satyap> it's too static... argh... don't give me ideas...
20:14:42  <Ammler> :P
20:14:55  <Ammler> we just started the project with the DevZone
20:15:06  <Ammler> but already have some decent projects here
20:16:06  * satyap looks
20:16:13  <Ammler> I would like to be able to manage mercurial repos with redmine
20:16:20  <Ammler> and a better support with rbot
20:20:54  <planetmaker> Ammler: wrt = with respect to :P - another of my abbreviations ;)
20:21:41  <satyap> i could probably find out how to do that
20:21:51  <satyap> i don't know off the to pof my head
20:22:15  <Ammler> well, there is no real hurry on something
20:22:45  <Ammler> I am just happy, someone else also know a bit about ruby, as I don't ;-)
20:25:00  <satyap> have you seen this?
20:25:02  <Webster> Title: Redmine - RedmineRepositories - Redmine (at
20:27:13  <Ammler> satyap: of course, it can read mercurial repos
20:27:27  <Ammler> but not much more
20:27:46  <Ammler> I would like to be able to add read/write access on project level
20:28:03  <Ammler> I would like to be able to strip revisions
20:28:22  <Ammler> I would like to be able to make forks and patch queues
20:28:51  <Ammler> I would like to be able to branch and see tags
20:29:35  <satyap> ah
20:29:58  <Ammler> I would like to manage the compile farm from redmine
20:30:53  <Ammler> I would like to use the rbot (Brot) interactive
20:31:20  <Ammler> there might be more :-)
20:33:21  <satyap> i'll have to do a lot of research, not being familiar with redmine nor mercurial
20:34:37  <satyap> i'll install redmine at home at some point
20:35:20  <Ammler> yeah,I'll do the same :-)
20:35:36  <Ammler> I know mercurial and redmein a bit, but don't ruby
20:36:00  <Ammler> well, we have alos a svn server
20:36:18  <Ammler> but that won't be used for newer projects, mainly.
20:58:49  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Feature #278: german translation @ (by Hirundo)
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