Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 3rd July 2009:
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01:33:33  <Brot6> Backup done! (Usage: 65M)
01:33:34  <Brot6> Look DEEP into the OPENINGS!! Do you see any ELVES or EDSELS ... or a HIGHBALL?? ...
05:31:59  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 216: Change: Move the NewGRF-ID into config file @ (by planetmaker)
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05:49:05  <planetmaker> <-- that link isn't up2date anymore?
06:03:10  <planetmaker> <-- nor is this :(
06:04:03  <Brot6> 2cctrainset: Backup push to ssh:// initiated.
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06:26:22  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Revision 84: Feature: Implement Cola truck in toyland. (Part of issue #124) @ (by planetmaker)
06:44:55  <Ammler> [08:42] <planetmaker> [08:03:08] <-- nor is this   <--did you update the credits table
06:46:17  <planetmaker> I didn't
06:46:34  <planetmaker> in the readme?
06:46:37  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Revision 85: Feature: Implement Candy floss truck in toyland. (Part of issue #124) @ (by planetmaker)
06:46:40  <planetmaker> or where?
06:46:52  <Ammler> the csv in docs
06:48:23  <Ammler> calling foobars page does still break my router
06:49:57  <planetmaker> thanks for the hint. Done
06:50:31  <Ammler> but the images won't be updated automatically
06:50:41  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Revision 86: Add: credits for toyland trucks (issue #124) @ (by planetmaker)
06:50:45  <planetmaker> yes. unfortunately
06:52:53  <Ammler> why not set to "done"?
06:55:47  <planetmaker> Because vehicles are still missing.
06:56:09  <planetmaker> It makes IMO only sense to declare it done when I added all vehicles of #124
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08:32:29  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Revision 87: Fix #281: don't delete nfo files anymore after building grfs by declaring ... @ (by planetmaker)
08:32:29  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Bug #281 (Closed): nfo files are (still) deleted during (after?) build process @ (by planetmaker)
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08:36:08  <yorick> lovely intermediate rules
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08:36:50  <planetmaker> yes. But declaring it intermediate didn't help
08:37:04  <yorick> you need to make it non-intermediate
08:37:17  <planetmaker> well. I declared it precious. works :P
08:37:29  <yorick> but that does not delete it on error
08:37:45  <planetmaker> yes, that's the unfortunate side effect.
08:38:01  <planetmaker> how do I declare it then non-intermediate? When it actually is?
08:38:13  <planetmaker> And what are the side effects of that?
08:38:34  <yorick> use $(GRFNAME) for target instead of %
08:38:50  <planetmaker> doesn't work. I'm buidling 6 grfs at once in opengfx
08:38:53  <planetmaker> I need a general rule
08:39:35  <yorick> hmmmmmm
08:40:11  <yorick> maybe don't chain it?
08:41:19  <planetmaker> True. That's a possibility. But I don't really like it :)
08:41:32  <planetmaker> but I shall think about it.
08:45:09  <yorick> or how about $(NFOS): %.pnfo with a predefined list of nfos?
08:45:50  <planetmaker> .SECONDARY is the thing to do, I think. It will delete it, but not re-create...
08:46:17  <planetmaker> I don't understand what you mean with that rule.
08:46:37  <planetmaker> you mean I should list all nfo files there explicitly?
08:46:39  <yorick> nfo1.nfo nfo2.nfo nfo3.nfo: %.pnfo
08:46:45  <planetmaker> hm
08:47:23  <planetmaker> won't that re-build all, if one changes?
08:47:54  <yorick> what does openttd do?
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08:49:20  <yorick> planetmaker: $(OBJS_CPP): %.o: $(SRC_DIR)/%.cpp $(DEP_MASK) $(FILE_DEP)
08:49:24  <planetmaker> dunno :) It has a configure file which creates the dependencies and uses its own make depend
08:49:26  <yorick> that's how openttd does it
08:49:43  <yorick> OBJS_CPP := 3rdparty/squirrel/sqstdlib/sqstdaux.o 3rdparty/squirrel/squirrel/sqapi.o
08:49:51  <yorick> (and a lot more
08:49:53  <yorick> )
08:50:26  <planetmaker> yes... hm...
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09:21:01  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Revision 88: Change: clean out also the intermediate nfo files @ (by planetmaker)
09:21:01  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Revision 89: Change: declare nfo files intermediate. Note: I read the doc the way that ... @ (by planetmaker)
09:36:20  <yorick> planetmaker: do you know a way to generate pcx dependencies?
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09:46:46  <Ammler> planetmaker: you create a file *.rev, what is that for?
09:51:09  <yorick> Ammler: it's for depending on it when the revision changed, I believe ;)
09:52:05  <yorick> r88
09:52:24  <Ammler> it is just
09:53:01  <Ammler> I need something similar for the nighly script to decide if it is needed.
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10:04:09  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #297: too many industries @ (by foobar)
10:04:09  <Brot6> opengfx: Backup push to ssh:// initiated.
10:10:24  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 127: Fix #295: Production multipliers of paper and steel... @ (by foobar)
10:10:24  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #295 (Closed): industry production @ (by foobar)
10:29:24  <planetmaker> Ammler, yes, it's for storing the revision of the last made grf so that I can detect a title / version change w/o changes in the source files
11:01:33  <planetmaker> Though now you mention it I'm not sure it works the way it is currently implemented :P
11:10:55  <planetmaker> Ammler, there will be at all times only one .rev file. The name will be the name of the currently existing grf.
11:12:18  <planetmaker> in the "release" form. E.g. "firs-nightly-r213", "firs-nightly-r215M", "firs-0.1" or "firs-0.2M"
11:12:46  <planetmaker> it's an empty file as I only need to check for the name.
11:13:03  <planetmaker> or rather its existance.
11:17:06  <planetmaker> ha, it works. I did it even the right way :P
11:18:08  <Ammler> I just think about usage for me
11:21:21  <planetmaker> What do you need? :)
11:22:13  <planetmaker> In this case it ensures re-building, if the outcome of the revision string would change. E.g due to tagging or adding modified other files, which don't trigger a re-build of the grf itself.
11:22:29  <Ammler> well, the file we be lost if I run make clean, I assume?
11:22:30  <planetmaker> so that in that case the grf would show another version than the bundle
11:22:38  <planetmaker> yes, it should be lost
11:23:15  <planetmaker> yes, clean deletes *.rev
11:23:45  <Ammler> well, I like to run "make clean && hg up null" after compile
11:24:06  <planetmaker> why that?
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11:24:11  <planetmaker> in order to backup?
11:24:27  <Ammler> and to keep the it clean
11:24:35  <Ammler> is that silly?
11:24:46  <planetmaker> the question is: is hg up null needed
11:24:54  <planetmaker> well. Or clean needed.
11:25:05  <planetmaker> It will mean that you re-build every day. Whether it's needed or not.
11:25:09  <Ammler> you wouldn't?
11:25:21  <planetmaker> Dunno. I haven't thought long about it.
11:25:26  <planetmaker> At this computer I don't.
11:25:38  <planetmaker> I just hg pull -u and make
11:25:40  <planetmaker> every day
11:25:55  <planetmaker> but that's the same dirs I sometimes work in :)
11:26:34  <Ammler> well, I still don't have the optimal Idea, how to "chroot" it
11:26:44  <Ammler> as a user can't use chroot
11:26:49  <planetmaker> in order to avoid abuse by rm -rf / ?
11:26:54  <Ammler> and I would still need access to the tools
11:27:29  <planetmaker> hm... right.
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11:27:54  <Ammler> well, he could also make things like cat >> authorized_keyys
11:27:55  <planetmaker> Well. Actually... that's really the reason what user management is for.
11:28:07  <planetmaker> create a separate user "compile_farm"
11:28:19  <planetmaker> grant him group-level write access to the repos
11:28:35  <Ammler> why write access?
11:28:46  <planetmaker> well. Otherwise he cannot build :)
11:29:00  <planetmaker> or you would need everything twice. That's the save way
11:29:25  <Ammler> I could checkout the source -> built -> delete
11:29:25  <planetmaker> A new user compile_farm which pulls the repos and makes them
11:29:49  <planetmaker> well. The delete has then the same problem as usual: you re-build every time. Even if it's not needed.
11:30:00  <Ammler> building from scratch is imo better for the logs, too
11:30:25  <planetmaker> Hm... That's an argument.
11:30:48  <planetmaker> You can make the check for whether to do anything at all external to make.
11:30:48  <Ammler> and the process is only done, if the souce has changed
11:30:53  <planetmaker> In your CF script itself.
11:30:57  <planetmaker> yes
11:31:13  <planetmaker> yes, sounds sensible. The log argument rules.
11:31:45  <planetmaker> It ensures that it will always give the result one would see for a clean checkout. And that's what is desired.
11:32:22  <Ammler> yes, so we have at least one instance, compiling it from scratch from time to time
11:32:45  <Ammler> openttd compile farm does that too, else it wouldn't take so long every day.
11:33:08  <planetmaker> LOOL:
11:33:11  <Webster> Title: 32bpp Grafiken und wie man sie nutzen kann (at
11:33:16  <Ammler> so I make a new user, which symlinks the hg repos
11:33:22  <planetmaker> I broke your signature ;)
11:33:27  <Ammler> oh
11:33:46  <Ammler> ups :-)
11:34:58  <planetmaker> Ammler, a symlink won't suffice. In order to make a grf you need write access.
11:35:03  <planetmaker> So you'll need to clone it.
11:35:17  <planetmaker> That's safer :)
11:37:02  <Ammler> what is max width?
11:37:10  <Ammler> 500px?
11:37:16  <planetmaker> In that forum? No idea.
11:39:45  <yorick> oh, german people...
11:40:11  <yorick> ...that do not like the english forum, or don't use it ;)
11:46:53  <planetmaker> mäh. Allain is again grave digging in the tt-forums :(
11:51:54  <planetmaker> Ammler, now it looks WAY better :)
11:52:00  <planetmaker> (your sig)
11:52:18  <Ammler>
11:53:06  <planetmaker> cool. Can you publish those links somewhere on the devzone in the general area?
11:53:14  * planetmaker goes changing the signature
11:53:17  <Ammler> dunno
11:53:31  <Ammler> we keep it private for now :-)
11:53:37  <planetmaker> :)
11:53:56  <Ammler> I am not sure yet, how it affects cpu usage
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11:54:13  <planetmaker> :) ok
11:54:31  <Ammler> cpu isn't the matter
11:55:27  <Ammler> oh, I see ugly date format
11:57:02  <planetmaker> Ammler, the y-offset could be better.
11:57:13  <planetmaker> like 3 pixels lower or so
11:57:19  <yorick> should be dd/mm/yy
11:57:31  <yorick> or higher...
11:57:50  <planetmaker> No. dd mmm. yyyy :)
11:58:09  <yorick> planetmaker: no german format please ;)
11:58:23  <planetmaker> 23 Jan 2009 ?
11:58:32  <planetmaker> not really "German format", eh?
11:58:46  <yorick> no, the .
11:59:01  <yorick> and please just make it dd/mm/yy
11:59:05  <planetmaker> that's the abbreviational point after the month. It's English.
11:59:11  <yorick> or ISO 8601
11:59:12  <yorick> k
11:59:12  <planetmaker> yorick, no, it's highly confusing
11:59:29  <planetmaker> Fortunately Ammler will do the right thing [TM] :)
11:59:40  <yorick> Ammler and right thing?
12:00:16  <yorick> I'd be fine with ISO 8601
12:00:39  <planetmaker> And in China a bag of rice topples over
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12:11:58  <yorick> heh, boost.preprocessor is sure nice
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12:52:05  * yorick wonders if ammler will go refferer-tracking session ids
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13:56:09  <Ammler> yorick: ?
13:56:27  <yorick> ?
13:56:47  <Ammler> [14:52] * yorick wonders if ammler will go refferer-tracking session ids
13:57:23  <Ammler> do you speak about google ananlytics?
13:57:55  <yorick> no?
13:58:10  <yorick> about grabbing tt-forums session ids from the refferer?
13:58:16  <yorick> of the signature link
13:58:51  <Ammler> what does that help?
13:59:36  <yorick> hmm, it doesn't :(
14:01:05  <Ammler> btw. how does openttd-python proceed?
14:01:16  <yorick> it currently does not
14:01:46  <yorick> but I have succeeded in writing an openttd server without any synchronization
14:04:04  <Brot6> firs: Backup push to ssh:// initiated.
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14:27:09  <Ammler> planetmaker: I miss the md5sum in the firs readme
14:28:54  <planetmaker> Hm... welcher readme?
14:29:11  <planetmaker> oh. der readme.txt für die NewGRF + OpenGFX?
14:29:19  <planetmaker> Ist 'ne Idee :)
14:29:25  <planetmaker> Apropos...
14:29:29  <Ammler> :-)
14:29:44  <Ammler> wäre ich nur ruhig gewesen :P
14:31:58  <planetmaker> Ne :) Bloß nicht! :)
14:32:22  <planetmaker> Mir ist nur eingefallen, dass das 2cctrainset die Versions-Nummer / GRF_TITLE noch nicht in der readme.txt hatte.
14:32:36  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 217: Change: readme.txt soll die aktuelle Version explizit nennen @ (by planetmaker)
14:32:45  <Ammler> <-- no revision here
14:32:47  <planetmaker> damn... English :P
14:33:07  <Ammler> loool
14:33:21  <Ammler> stripe?
14:33:37  <Ammler> or rollback
14:33:38  <planetmaker> rollback
14:33:40  <planetmaker> done
14:33:46  <Ammler> on the server too?
14:33:49  <planetmaker> yup
14:33:57  <Ammler> now, you need to reread the repo
14:34:25  <planetmaker> how?
14:34:33  <Ammler> remove it and readd
14:34:46  <planetmaker> I pushed the updated the hg-repos with the new one.
14:34:57  <Ammler> well, redmine won't updte
14:35:01  <planetmaker> well... that sentence doesn't parse... :S
14:35:11  <planetmaker> yes, but how does it do it?
14:35:21  <Ammler> delte the repo
14:35:26  <planetmaker> :O
14:35:28  <Ammler> and readd
14:35:43  <Ammler> I meant on redmine
14:35:49  <planetmaker> hm
14:36:17  <planetmaker> is it worth the trouble?
14:36:39  <planetmaker> I fear that might have other side-effects I don't want to test.
14:36:57  <planetmaker> I dimly remember there some things... but not sure what exactly anymore
14:40:04  <Ammler>
14:40:10  <Ammler> :-)
14:40:24  <planetmaker> ?
14:40:50  <Ammler> the side effect is, that you need to initiate the update again
14:41:04  <Ammler> but you can do that with the next push
14:41:07  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #296 (Feedback): Should primary industries exhaust their ... @ (by foobar)
14:41:07  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 125: Feature: Waste Collection Point @ (by foobar)
14:41:18  <planetmaker> well... then fill in, now you deleted it :S
14:41:33  <Ammler> I?
14:41:42  <Ammler> I didn't click :P
14:41:51  <planetmaker> _I_ didn't delete anything there.
14:42:04  <planetmaker> you bastard :P
14:42:40  <Ammler> hehe
14:42:43  <Ammler> push again
14:42:48  <Ammler> and the repo is there
14:43:01  <planetmaker> nothing will happen. I didn't fill any values.
14:43:17  <Ammler> ?
14:43:20  <planetmaker> and I don't have anything sensible to push
14:43:39  <Ammler> the push you made in german?=
14:44:04  <planetmaker> well. That I did. I rollback'ed. And I commited the English one. And now it's deleted.
14:44:13  <Ammler> well, other possibility is to wait until hourly at 11
14:44:44  <Ammler> or to run "sudo -u redmine /home/redmine/"
14:44:56  <planetmaker> But redmine won't automagically re-create the repo?
14:45:00  <planetmaker> For itself, won't it?
14:45:11  <Ammler> it does once per hour
14:45:15  <Ammler> or at every push
14:45:16  <planetmaker> ?
14:45:26  <Ammler> that is the message you get, when you push
14:45:29  <planetmaker> I didn't assign any repo to it...
14:45:31  <Ammler> it runs the script above
14:45:37  <Ammler> I did
14:45:40  <planetmaker> I just clicked that link.
14:45:45  <planetmaker> And nothing more
14:45:53  <Ammler> and I added the repo again
14:45:57  <planetmaker> ok
14:47:42  <planetmaker> Ammler, And now go to 2cctrainset -> repository
14:47:50  <planetmaker> No revision, no age, no author :(
14:48:26  <Ammler> yes
14:48:33  <planetmaker> If that's now gone completely, it was definitely not worth the deletion.
14:48:34  <Ammler> do I really need to repeat me?
14:48:39  <planetmaker> I guess :P
14:48:45  <Ammler> [16:44] <Ammler> or to run "sudo -u redmine /home/redmine/"
14:48:56  <Ammler> [16:45] <Ammler> it does once per hour
14:49:03  <Ammler> [16:45] <Ammler> or at every push
14:49:06  <planetmaker> ok
14:49:11  <planetmaker> :)
14:49:23  <Ammler> I was a bit too late
14:49:25  <planetmaker> I guess now I understand
14:49:32  <Ammler> else the push of foobar would have done it
14:49:36  <planetmaker> at least a bread-crump more
14:53:57  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #296: Should primary industries exhaust their resources a... @ (by Ammler)
14:58:00  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #296: Should primary industries exhaust their resources a... @ (by Ammler)
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15:05:58  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #296: Should primary industries exhaust their resources a... @ (by planetmaker)
15:13:21  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 216: Change: Move the NewGRF-ID into config file @ (by planetmaker)
15:13:21  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 217: Change: readme.txt should mention the current version / title of th... @ (by planetmaker)
15:13:21  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Bug #137 (Closed): Misaligned trains @ (by Anonymous)
15:26:14  <Ammler> oh
15:26:23  <Ammler> the user assignement
15:33:26  <planetmaker> :D
15:36:57  <Ammler> hmm, this might be worth for an other release
15:37:00  <Ammler> 1.0.2
15:53:54  <planetmaker> hm? what?
15:54:10  <planetmaker> who was this anonymous person? You?
15:58:32  <Ammler>
15:59:00  <Ammler> DJNekkid uses different names: "DJNekkid" and DJ Nekkid"
16:00:03  <Ammler> if anonymous closes a ticket, it has to be a commit
16:00:23  <Ammler> and because I forgot the mapping for djn
16:00:36  <Ammler> redmine wasn't able to assign it to him.
16:01:32  <Ammler> oh
16:01:35  <Ammler> now, I got it
16:01:45  <Ammler> he
16:07:40  <planetmaker> ah :)
16:08:10  <planetmaker> andythenorth_: FooBar_ : do you have pdflatex installed?
16:08:31  <planetmaker> Currently there's no automatic way to create the documentation of OpenGFX
16:08:55  <planetmaker> pdflatex would be one means to create a pdf from plain text files. And it would be quite cross-platform
16:09:44  <planetmaker> he... the server hasn't got it.
16:09:48  <Ammler> why do yu need a pdf from plain file?
16:10:23  <Ammler> the readme is a pdf because of the image, afaik.
16:10:45  <planetmaker> in order to include images.
16:10:45  <Ammler> what about html
16:11:02  <planetmaker> also possible. But cannot be uploaded to bananas
16:11:19  <Ammler> well, do you care about that?
16:11:20  <planetmaker> .txt || .pdf ||
16:11:27  <Ammler> nobody does read banans anyway.
16:11:28  <planetmaker> yes, it should have a manual
16:11:47  <Ammler> bananas grfs are in a tar,
16:11:55  <yorick> how bout html?
16:12:25  <Ammler> people which use bananas for a grf don't read the docs, most likely.
16:12:45  <planetmaker> looking at the pdf, a plain text file will suffice indeed.
16:13:05  <planetmaker> Ammler: I know. But that's not a reason to have _no_ readme which can be updated
16:13:17  <planetmaker> also not for other purposes
16:13:25  <Ammler> yes
16:13:47  <Ammler> but also no reason to decline something nice, just because bananas can't handle it.
16:13:50  <planetmaker> Also I want to have the option to tell people to read the enclosed do-not-readme.txt
16:14:13  <planetmaker> plain text is easier to maintain :)
16:14:19  <Ammler> hmm, html2pdf?
16:14:36  <planetmaker> ?
16:14:42  <Ammler> for the bananas
16:14:42  * yorick already wants to read the do-not-readme.txt :)
16:15:08  <Ammler> indeed, best is .txt, IMO:
16:15:26  <planetmaker> Also browsers can display it.
16:15:51  <Ammler> well, if you have images, then html or pdf
16:16:09  <planetmaker> Though, of course, not as nice... Well. First let's get a txt. We can then - next step :D - get a doc creation script for different purposes
16:16:21  <planetmaker> Ammler: it only has a teaser image. Looks nice, but completely un-essential
16:16:40  <Ammler> indeed.
16:16:57  <Ammler> well
16:17:19  <Ammler> it is the reason for the current pdf
16:18:03  <Brot6> OpenGFX: update from r83 to r89, starting nightly compile
16:18:31  <Brot6> OpenGFX: nightlies compile finished with 2 errors:
16:21:26  <Ammler> planetmaker: <-- could you please reopen it :-)
16:23:17  <planetmaker> why?
16:23:38  <planetmaker> still mis-aligend?
16:28:02  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Bug #137 (Feedback): Misaligned trains @ (by planetmaker)
16:28:45  <yorick> :)
16:47:46  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #296: Should primary industries exhaust their resources a... @ (by foobar)
16:52:44  <FooBar_> I don't have pdflatex; I have Acrobat here... :)
16:53:25  <FooBar_> Also, a plain text readme is just fine, even if it only contains a link to a webpage where one can view a html readme.
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16:59:05  <planetmaker> I just added and commited it.
16:59:35  <planetmaker> It's basically the same text as the pdf. But in a few places I updated the links to the devzone. And I omited the "see also" section
16:59:49  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Revision 90: Feature: Add plaintext readme.txt @ (by planetmaker)
16:59:49  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Revision 91: Change: use the new readme.txt @ (by planetmaker)
16:59:49  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #296: Should primary industries exhaust their resources a... @ (by Ammler)
17:00:11  <planetmaker> The hidden feature is: it will always contain the version of the grf it is attached to :)
17:00:53  <Ammler> isn't the obg alfeady a kind of readme too?
17:02:01  <planetmaker> it's no readme.
17:02:17  <planetmaker> even though it contains interesting info
17:03:24  <Ammler> anyway, md5sum on the newgrfs would be nice :P
17:03:33  <planetmaker> :)
17:03:47  <planetmaker> Well, as I said, can be added. :)
17:03:59  <planetmaker> Make a feature request, then I won't forget
17:12:44  <Brot6> FIRS: well, I made another nightly. :-P
17:15:36  <planetmaker> haha @ Brot
17:16:38  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #298: parameters @ (by foobar)
17:16:38  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: #openttdcoop - Feature #299: md5sum of the newgrf in the readme @ (by Ammler)
17:19:23  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: #openttdcoop - Feature #299: md5sum of the newgrf in the readme @ (by Ammler)
17:20:28  <Brot6> Yeah! Bugfixes should be published, asap. ;-)
17:21:17  <planetmaker> FooBar_: especially 3b is something which I actually would like to see as configurable option ;)
17:22:37  <planetmaker> e.g. I'd like the option to play a game with FIRS where serviced industries neither change their behaviour nor vanish :)
17:23:07  <planetmaker> it doesn't need (or should) be the default, though
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17:33:22  <Ammler> planetmaker: as I understood foobar, he doesn't like too many parameters already
17:33:45  <Ammler> it is like with adv. settings :-)
17:34:01  <planetmaker> Ammler: exposing that as the 4th bit doesn't hurt, if its done that way internally anyway
17:35:53  <planetmaker> btw, Ammler your rss pngs now are nicer aligned :)
17:35:57  <planetmaker> kudos!
17:36:58  <Ammler> :P
17:37:08  <Ammler> <-- isn't that fixed?
17:37:28  <Ammler> planetmaker: ^
17:38:10  <planetmaker> hm. You mean the -1 * 4 00 00 00 00 in the 1st sprite?
17:38:17  <planetmaker> I guess :)
17:40:08  <planetmaker> closed
17:40:16  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #300: Unexpected sprites @ (by Ammler)
17:40:16  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #293 (Closed): sprite counter @ (by planetmaker)
17:42:29  <Ammler> ups
17:42:40  <Ammler> I need the old nforenum and grfcodec local too
17:42:52  <planetmaker> I guess
17:45:13  <Ammler> no
17:45:18  <Ammler> same with server version.
17:45:47  <planetmaker> others reported it in tt-forums, too. So it's not a TTDP thing
17:46:22  <Ammler> hmm
17:46:29  <Ammler> ttdp?
17:46:34  <Ammler> well
17:46:48  <Ammler> the nfo on the server is still ugly
17:46:57  <planetmaker> well...
17:46:58  <Ammler> it doesn't accept escapes
17:47:08  <planetmaker> hu?
17:47:21  <Ammler> /!!Invalid character: "\".
17:47:35  <planetmaker> he...
17:47:50  <planetmaker> did you delete your ~/.renum ?
17:47:57  <planetmaker> Dunno whether it helps. Didn't here
17:51:30  <Ammler> strange
17:53:26  <Ammler> does someone of you have a working copy?
17:53:32  <Ammler> I delete the nightlies.
17:54:13  <planetmaker> don't delete them
17:54:22  <planetmaker> They're still nightlies :)
17:56:40  <planetmaker> lol
17:56:55  <planetmaker> If I compile with my "broken" grfcodec and renum versions it doesn't disable itself.
17:57:09  <planetmaker> I guess they might be correct after all?
17:57:29  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #296: Should primary industries exhaust their resources a... @ (by andythenorth)
17:57:34  <andythenorth_> Evening
17:58:36  <Ammler> planetmaker: I delete them to avoid bug posts about.
17:58:45  <planetmaker> ok
17:58:48  <andythenorth_> FooBar_:
17:59:00  <planetmaker> hi andythenorth_
17:59:09  <andythenorth_> "I've always hated the fact that temperate oil wells close down, so I never ever service those."
17:59:19  <andythenorth_> is that not contradictory with the eras thing :D
17:59:20  <andythenorth_> ?
18:04:02  <Brot6> 2cctrainset: Backup push to ssh:// initiated.
18:04:13  <Brot6> opengfx: Backup push to ssh:// initiated.
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18:08:22  <yorick> hey sean
18:08:26  <seandasheep> hi yorick
18:10:39  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #301: brewery broken @ (by planetmaker)
18:16:21  <seandasheep> ok, thanks
18:17:09  <Ammler> ?
18:17:15  <Ammler> :-)
18:17:18  <yorick> I noticed him some link
18:17:29  <yorick> he wants to learn nfo
18:18:02  <Ammler> ok, nice preprocessing with files
18:18:14  <Ammler> but why undefine?
18:18:29  <FooBar_> andythenorth_: yes and no. In the eras thing industries will be able to increase production until they're ordered to close down. Actually this ever-decreasing production of the oil wells is what annoys me: it takes too long to fill a train. I might have expressed myself incorrectly earlier on...
18:18:45  <yorick> Ammler: because you can't redefine?
18:18:54  <Ammler> ah ok.
18:19:16  <Ammler> but that would be possible with m4
18:19:22  <Ammler> afaik
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18:20:19  <Ammler> FooBar_: oil weels is the industry I never serviced, either.
18:20:46  <Ammler> oh, and dunno, but the nightlies on the server failed
18:20:59  <FooBar_> I read about the nightlies...
18:21:02  <Ammler> I deleted them all to avoid bug reports.
18:21:23  <FooBar_> I uploaded a new one which works for me in 0.7.1
18:21:49  <FooBar_> So you can leave r127 in, as that should be alright.
18:22:33  <Ammler> no the server renum can't handle escapes
18:22:45  <Ammler> it comments those sprites out
18:23:58  <yorick> Ammler: try updating the renum, with a newer version ;)
18:24:11  <yorick> it fixed the problem for be
18:24:13  <yorick> me*
18:24:37  <Ammler> ah, you uploaded one to the binary server :-)
18:25:34  <yorick> nono, I had the same problem here
18:25:53  <yorick> oh, FooBar_
18:25:54  <yorick> did
18:26:31  <Ammler> yorick: try to compile firs
18:26:38  <FooBar_> yes, I uploaded to the binary server :)
18:27:00  <Ammler> (slightly edited my post) ;-)
18:27:02  <FooBar_> didn't you get a big warning about my hostname reverse lookup being broken? :P
18:27:08  <Ammler> :P
18:27:16  * yorick pulls
18:27:16  <Ammler> :-)
18:28:02  <yorick> make so far does nothing
18:28:13  <Ammler> since I moved my domains to Google Apps, I am spammed about denied requests for that domain.
18:28:22  <yorick> f with
18:28:23  <yorick> Done!
18:28:35  <Ammler> now, check the nfo ;-)
18:28:47  <Ammler> or the warnings you just got.
18:29:12  <yorick>   167 * 57 00 0B \b19 01
18:29:28  <Ammler> ?
18:29:42  <yorick> The sprite following sprite 485 could not be processed.
18:29:44  <Ammler> hmm, not warnings, errors :-)
18:30:21  <yorick> Invalid escape sequence
18:30:35  <yorick> loads of them after 473
18:31:01  <yorick> it seems to fail at \dx........
18:31:30  <FooBar_> yorick: then your renum is to new...
18:31:34  <FooBar_> too*
18:32:02  <Ammler> FooBar_: I use the newgrf gui too :P
18:32:15  <Ammler> openttd without isn't useable anymore.
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18:32:46  <yorick_> NFORenum v3.4.6 r2111E - Copyright 2004-2009 Dale McCoy.
18:32:52  <FooBar_> agreed, but what about it? I don't recall any reference to it...
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18:32:57  * FooBar_ is confused...
18:33:12  <Ammler> the "better" newgrf gui
18:33:20  <Ammler> like the one benny used
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18:34:22  <Ammler> ah, TPPP, what is that?
18:34:27  <Ammler> terkens pack
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18:40:22  <FooBar_> Ammler: ah, that one.
18:40:45  <FooBar_> Once it hits trunk (or something similar), I'll start using it myself as well :P
18:41:02  <FooBar_> I don't know what TPPP stands for, but it sounded as a patchpack...
18:42:58  <Ammler> it is, but a good one :-)
18:43:24  <Ammler> don't use it, I use pm's
18:44:13  <Ammler> something like the the newgrf gui or the station guis, I can't use it without.
18:48:12  * yorick is back
18:48:41  <Ammler> oh, btw.
18:48:56  <Ammler> FooBar_: I can't status of bug reports
18:49:05  <Ammler> I would close/reject the sprite thing
18:49:06  <Ammler> hmm
18:51:12  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #300 (Closed): Unexpected sprites @ (by foobar)
18:51:19  <FooBar_> done :)
18:51:34  <FooBar_> And now two commits: ...
18:53:28  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 128: Change: Add renum flags to makefile.config to suppr... @ (by foobar)
18:53:28  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 129: Doc: A little info on what renum/grfcodec to use fo... @ (by foobar)
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19:18:11  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #301: brewery broken @ (by foobar)
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20:10:07  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #301 (Closed): brewery broken @ (by planetmaker)
20:13:22  <planetmaker> FooBar_: can it be that the distribution of waste collection points is quite... unevenly distributed among towns?
20:14:39  <planetmaker> I have a 156 inhabitants town with 15 such things and a lot of ~1k towns without any
20:15:18  <planetmaker> well... I gess that's chance
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21:32:01  <FooBar_> planetmaker:
21:32:44  <FooBar_> I think the brewery problem might be due to the faulty build?
21:36:18  <Ammler> I am a bit sad, my "workaround" with old renum and codec didn't work. :-(
21:37:42  <planetmaker> FooBar_: I closed it. Yes, I guess
21:38:32  <Ammler> doesn't Lakie also code for renum?
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21:50:10  <FooBar_> Don't know, but /someone/ must have a working stable renum for linux, not?
21:50:47  <FooBar_> And actually why is there an nfo in here?
22:04:05  <Brot6> firs: Backup push to ssh:// initiated.
22:04:31  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 130: Change: Disallow combining with other industry sets... @ (by foobar)
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23:08:56  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 132: Feature: Recycling Plant @ (by foobar)
23:08:56  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 133: Change: Credit some people... @ (by foobar)
23:10:07  <FooBar_> That last one includes an invisible merge I'm hoping to get away with... :P
23:10:29  <FooBar_> Anyways, goodnight!
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23:35:43  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Feature #294 (Feedback): Sprite 4629 - Toyland Church (32bpp, 8bpp) @ (by athanasios)

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