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01:33:33 <Brot6> Backup done! (Usage: 65M) 01:33:34 <Brot6> Look DEEP into the OPENINGS!! Do you see any ELVES or EDSELS ... or a HIGHBALL?? ... 05:31:59 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 216: Change: Move the NewGRF-ID into config file @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/216 (by planetmaker) 05:48:31 *** DJ_Nekkid has quit IRC 05:49:05 <planetmaker> http://mz.openttdcoop.org/opengfx/newgrf.php?t=601:760 <-- that link isn't up2date anymore? 06:03:10 <planetmaker> http://openttd.jaspervries.nl/opengfx/authoroverview/?feature=missingsprites <-- nor is this :( 06:04:03 <Brot6> 2cctrainset: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/OpenTTD/2cctrainset/ initiated. 06:25:34 *** andythenorth_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 06:26:22 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Revision 84: Feature: Implement Cola truck in toyland. (Part of issue #124) @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/84 (by planetmaker) 06:44:55 <Ammler> [08:42] <planetmaker> [08:03:08] http://openttd.jaspervries.nl/opengfx/authoroverview/?feature=missingsprites <-- nor is this <--did you update the credits table 06:46:17 <planetmaker> I didn't 06:46:34 <planetmaker> in the readme? 06:46:37 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Revision 85: Feature: Implement Candy floss truck in toyland. (Part of issue #124) @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/85 (by planetmaker) 06:46:40 <planetmaker> or where? 06:46:52 <Ammler> the csv in docs 06:48:23 <Ammler> calling foobars page does still break my router 06:49:57 <planetmaker> thanks for the hint. Done 06:50:31 <Ammler> but the images won't be updated automatically 06:50:41 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Revision 86: Add: credits for toyland trucks (issue #124) @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/86 (by planetmaker) 06:50:45 <planetmaker> yes. unfortunately 06:52:53 <Ammler> why not set to "done"? 06:55:47 <planetmaker> Because vehicles are still missing. 06:56:09 <planetmaker> It makes IMO only sense to declare it done when I added all vehicles of #124 07:41:39 *** andythenorth_ has quit IRC 07:44:46 *** andythenorth_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:54:00 *** yorick has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:02:02 *** andythenorth_ has quit IRC 08:32:29 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Revision 87: Fix #281: don't delete nfo files anymore after building grfs by declaring ... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/87 (by planetmaker) 08:32:29 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Bug #281 (Closed): nfo files are (still) deleted during (after?) build process @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/281#change-616 (by planetmaker) 08:35:35 *** andythenorth_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:36:08 <yorick> lovely intermediate rules 08:36:20 *** andythenorth_ has quit IRC 08:36:50 <planetmaker> yes. But declaring it intermediate didn't help 08:37:04 <yorick> you need to make it non-intermediate 08:37:17 <planetmaker> well. I declared it precious. works :P 08:37:29 <yorick> but that does not delete it on error 08:37:45 <planetmaker> yes, that's the unfortunate side effect. 08:38:01 <planetmaker> how do I declare it then non-intermediate? When it actually is? 08:38:13 <planetmaker> And what are the side effects of that? 08:38:34 <yorick> use $(GRFNAME) for target instead of % 08:38:50 <planetmaker> doesn't work. I'm buidling 6 grfs at once in opengfx 08:38:53 <planetmaker> I need a general rule 08:39:35 <yorick> hmmmmmm 08:40:11 <yorick> maybe don't chain it? 08:41:19 <planetmaker> True. That's a possibility. But I don't really like it :) 08:41:32 <planetmaker> but I shall think about it. 08:45:09 <yorick> or how about $(NFOS): %.pnfo with a predefined list of nfos? 08:45:50 <planetmaker> .SECONDARY is the thing to do, I think. It will delete it, but not re-create... 08:46:17 <planetmaker> I don't understand what you mean with that rule. 08:46:37 <planetmaker> you mean I should list all nfo files there explicitly? 08:46:39 <yorick> nfo1.nfo nfo2.nfo nfo3.nfo: %.pnfo 08:46:45 <planetmaker> hm 08:47:23 <planetmaker> won't that re-build all, if one changes? 08:47:54 <yorick> what does openttd do? 08:48:36 *** FooBar_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:49:20 <yorick> planetmaker: $(OBJS_CPP): %.o: $(SRC_DIR)/%.cpp $(DEP_MASK) $(FILE_DEP) 08:49:24 <planetmaker> dunno :) It has a configure file which creates the dependencies and uses its own make depend 08:49:26 <yorick> that's how openttd does it 08:49:43 <yorick> OBJS_CPP := 3rdparty/squirrel/sqstdlib/sqstdaux.o 3rdparty/squirrel/squirrel/sqapi.o 08:49:51 <yorick> (and a lot more 08:49:53 <yorick> ) 08:50:26 <planetmaker> yes... hm... 09:00:03 *** Chris_Booth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 09:07:33 *** FooBar_ has quit IRC 09:08:51 *** andythenorth_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 09:21:01 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Revision 88: Change: clean out also the intermediate nfo files @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/88 (by planetmaker) 09:21:01 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Revision 89: Change: declare nfo files intermediate. Note: I read the doc the way that ... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/89 (by planetmaker) 09:36:20 <yorick> planetmaker: do you know a way to generate pcx dependencies? 09:44:19 *** FooBar_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 09:46:46 <Ammler> planetmaker: you create a file *.rev, what is that for? 09:51:09 <yorick> Ammler: it's for depending on it when the revision changed, I believe ;) 09:52:05 <yorick> r88 09:52:24 <Ammler> it is just 09:53:01 <Ammler> I need something similar for the nighly script to decide if it is needed. 10:01:18 *** andythenorth_ has quit IRC 10:04:09 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #297: too many industries @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/297 (by foobar) 10:04:09 <Brot6> opengfx: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/OpenTTD/opengfx/ initiated. 10:10:24 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 127: Fix #295: Production multipliers of paper and steel... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/127 (by foobar) 10:10:24 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #295 (Closed): industry production @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/295#change-617 (by foobar) 10:29:24 <planetmaker> Ammler, yes, it's for storing the revision of the last made grf so that I can detect a title / version change w/o changes in the source files 11:01:33 <planetmaker> Though now you mention it I'm not sure it works the way it is currently implemented :P 11:10:55 <planetmaker> Ammler, there will be at all times only one .rev file. The name will be the name of the currently existing grf. 11:12:18 <planetmaker> in the "release" form. E.g. "firs-nightly-r213", "firs-nightly-r215M", "firs-0.1" or "firs-0.2M" 11:12:46 <planetmaker> it's an empty file as I only need to check for the name. 11:13:03 <planetmaker> or rather its existance. 11:17:06 <planetmaker> ha, it works. I did it even the right way :P 11:18:08 <Ammler> I just think about usage for me 11:21:21 <planetmaker> What do you need? :) 11:22:13 <planetmaker> In this case it ensures re-building, if the outcome of the revision string would change. E.g due to tagging or adding modified other files, which don't trigger a re-build of the grf itself. 11:22:29 <Ammler> well, the file we be lost if I run make clean, I assume? 11:22:30 <planetmaker> so that in that case the grf would show another version than the bundle 11:22:38 <planetmaker> yes, it should be lost 11:23:15 <planetmaker> yes, clean deletes *.rev 11:23:45 <Ammler> well, I like to run "make clean && hg up null" after compile 11:24:06 <planetmaker> why that? 11:24:08 *** andythenorth_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:24:11 <planetmaker> in order to backup? 11:24:27 <Ammler> and to keep the it clean 11:24:35 <Ammler> is that silly? 11:24:46 <planetmaker> the question is: is hg up null needed 11:24:54 <planetmaker> well. Or clean needed. 11:25:05 <planetmaker> It will mean that you re-build every day. Whether it's needed or not. 11:25:09 <Ammler> you wouldn't? 11:25:21 <planetmaker> Dunno. I haven't thought long about it. 11:25:26 <planetmaker> At this computer I don't. 11:25:38 <planetmaker> I just hg pull -u and make 11:25:40 <planetmaker> every day 11:25:55 <planetmaker> but that's the same dirs I sometimes work in :) 11:26:34 <Ammler> well, I still don't have the optimal Idea, how to "chroot" it 11:26:44 <Ammler> as a user can't use chroot 11:26:49 <planetmaker> in order to avoid abuse by rm -rf / ? 11:26:54 <Ammler> and I would still need access to the tools 11:27:29 <planetmaker> hm... right. 11:27:38 *** andythenorth_ has quit IRC 11:27:54 <Ammler> well, he could also make things like cat key.pub >> authorized_keyys 11:27:55 <planetmaker> Well. Actually... that's really the reason what user management is for. 11:28:07 <planetmaker> create a separate user "compile_farm" 11:28:19 <planetmaker> grant him group-level write access to the repos 11:28:35 <Ammler> why write access? 11:28:46 <planetmaker> well. Otherwise he cannot build :) 11:29:00 <planetmaker> or you would need everything twice. That's the save way 11:29:25 <Ammler> I could checkout the source -> built -> delete 11:29:25 <planetmaker> A new user compile_farm which pulls the repos and makes them 11:29:49 <planetmaker> well. The delete has then the same problem as usual: you re-build every time. Even if it's not needed. 11:30:00 <Ammler> building from scratch is imo better for the logs, too 11:30:25 <planetmaker> Hm... That's an argument. 11:30:48 <planetmaker> You can make the check for whether to do anything at all external to make. 11:30:48 <Ammler> and the process is only done, if the souce has changed 11:30:53 <planetmaker> In your CF script itself. 11:30:57 <planetmaker> yes 11:31:13 <planetmaker> yes, sounds sensible. The log argument rules. 11:31:45 <planetmaker> It ensures that it will always give the result one would see for a clean checkout. And that's what is desired. 11:32:22 <Ammler> yes, so we have at least one instance, compiling it from scratch from time to time 11:32:45 <Ammler> openttd compile farm does that too, else it wouldn't take so long every day. 11:33:08 <planetmaker> LOOL: http://www.tt-ms.de/forum/showthread.php?tid=4108 11:33:11 <Webster> Title: 32bpp Grafiken und wie man sie nutzen kann (at www.tt-ms.de) 11:33:16 <Ammler> so I make a new user, which symlinks the hg repos 11:33:22 <planetmaker> I broke your signature ;) 11:33:27 <Ammler> oh 11:33:46 <Ammler> ups :-) 11:34:58 <planetmaker> Ammler, a symlink won't suffice. In order to make a grf you need write access. 11:35:03 <planetmaker> So you'll need to clone it. 11:35:17 <planetmaker> That's safer :) 11:37:02 <Ammler> what is max width? 11:37:10 <Ammler> 500px? 11:37:16 <planetmaker> In that forum? No idea. 11:39:45 <yorick> oh, german people... 11:40:11 <yorick> ...that do not like the english forum, or don't use it ;) 11:46:53 <planetmaker> mäh. Allain is again grave digging in the tt-forums :( 11:51:54 <planetmaker> Ammler, now it looks WAY better :) 11:52:00 <planetmaker> (your sig) 11:52:18 <Ammler> http://mz.openttdcoop.org/rss2png/firs.2.png 11:53:06 <planetmaker> cool. Can you publish those links somewhere on the devzone in the general area? 11:53:14 * planetmaker goes changing the signature 11:53:17 <Ammler> dunno 11:53:31 <Ammler> we keep it private for now :-) 11:53:37 <planetmaker> :) 11:53:56 <Ammler> I am not sure yet, how it affects cpu usage 11:54:10 *** andythenorth_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:54:13 <planetmaker> :) ok 11:54:31 <Ammler> cpu isn't the matter 11:55:27 <Ammler> oh, I see ugly date format 11:57:02 <planetmaker> Ammler, the y-offset could be better. 11:57:13 <planetmaker> like 3 pixels lower or so 11:57:19 <yorick> should be dd/mm/yy 11:57:31 <yorick> or higher... 11:57:50 <planetmaker> No. dd mmm. yyyy :) 11:58:09 <yorick> planetmaker: no german format please ;) 11:58:23 <planetmaker> 23 Jan 2009 ? 11:58:32 <planetmaker> not really "German format", eh? 11:58:46 <yorick> no, the . 11:59:01 <yorick> and please just make it dd/mm/yy 11:59:05 <planetmaker> that's the abbreviational point after the month. It's English. 11:59:11 <yorick> or ISO 8601 11:59:12 <yorick> k 11:59:12 <planetmaker> yorick, no, it's highly confusing 11:59:29 <planetmaker> Fortunately Ammler will do the right thing [TM] :) 11:59:40 <yorick> Ammler and right thing? 12:00:16 <yorick> I'd be fine with ISO 8601 12:00:39 <planetmaker> And in China a bag of rice topples over 12:04:56 *** andythenorth_ has quit IRC 12:11:58 <yorick> heh, boost.preprocessor is sure nice 12:42:35 *** andythenorth_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:45:35 *** andythenorth_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:47:05 *** andythenorth_ has quit IRC 12:52:05 * yorick wonders if ammler will go refferer-tracking session ids 12:54:58 *** andythenorth_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:03:19 *** andythenorth_ has quit IRC 13:56:09 <Ammler> yorick: ? 13:56:27 <yorick> ? 13:56:47 <Ammler> [14:52] * yorick wonders if ammler will go refferer-tracking session ids 13:57:23 <Ammler> do you speak about google ananlytics? 13:57:55 <yorick> no? 13:58:10 <yorick> about grabbing tt-forums session ids from the refferer? 13:58:16 <yorick> of the signature link 13:58:51 <Ammler> what does that help? 13:59:36 <yorick> hmm, it doesn't :( 14:01:05 <Ammler> btw. how does openttd-python proceed? 14:01:16 <yorick> it currently does not 14:01:46 <yorick> but I have succeeded in writing an openttd server without any synchronization 14:04:04 <Brot6> firs: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/firs/firs/ initiated. 14:05:59 * yorick has to go 14:06:01 *** yorick has quit IRC 14:09:13 *** andythenorth_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:27:09 <Ammler> planetmaker: I miss the md5sum in the firs readme 14:28:54 <planetmaker> Hm... welcher readme? 14:29:11 <planetmaker> oh. der readme.txt für die NewGRF + OpenGFX? 14:29:19 <planetmaker> Ist 'ne Idee :) 14:29:25 <planetmaker> Apropos... 14:29:29 <Ammler> :-) 14:29:44 <Ammler> wäre ich nur ruhig gewesen :P 14:31:58 <planetmaker> Ne :) Bloß nicht! :) 14:32:22 <planetmaker> Mir ist nur eingefallen, dass das 2cctrainset die Versions-Nummer / GRF_TITLE noch nicht in der readme.txt hatte. 14:32:36 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 217: Change: readme.txt soll die aktuelle Version explizit nennen @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/217 (by planetmaker) 14:32:45 <Ammler> http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=113420 <-- no revision here 14:32:47 <planetmaker> damn... English :P 14:33:07 <Ammler> loool 14:33:21 <Ammler> stripe? 14:33:37 <Ammler> or rollback 14:33:38 <planetmaker> rollback 14:33:40 <planetmaker> done 14:33:46 <Ammler> on the server too? 14:33:49 <planetmaker> yup 14:33:57 <Ammler> now, you need to reread the repo 14:34:25 <planetmaker> how? 14:34:33 <Ammler> remove it and readd 14:34:46 <planetmaker> I pushed the updated the hg-repos with the new one. 14:34:57 <Ammler> well, redmine won't updte 14:35:01 <planetmaker> well... that sentence doesn't parse... :S 14:35:11 <planetmaker> yes, but how does it do it? 14:35:21 <Ammler> delte the repo 14:35:26 <planetmaker> :O 14:35:28 <Ammler> and readd 14:35:43 <Ammler> I meant on redmine 14:35:49 <planetmaker> hm 14:36:17 <planetmaker> is it worth the trouble? 14:36:39 <planetmaker> I fear that might have other side-effects I don't want to test. 14:36:57 <planetmaker> I dimly remember there some things... but not sure what exactly anymore 14:40:04 <Ammler> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/destroy 14:40:10 <Ammler> :-) 14:40:24 <planetmaker> ? 14:40:50 <Ammler> the side effect is, that you need to initiate the update again 14:41:04 <Ammler> but you can do that with the next push 14:41:07 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #296 (Feedback): Should primary industries exhaust their ... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/296#change-614 (by foobar) 14:41:07 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 125: Feature: Waste Collection Point @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/125 (by foobar) 14:41:18 <planetmaker> well... then fill in, now you deleted it :S 14:41:33 <Ammler> I? 14:41:42 <Ammler> I didn't click :P 14:41:51 <planetmaker> _I_ didn't delete anything there. 14:42:04 <planetmaker> you bastard :P 14:42:40 <Ammler> hehe 14:42:43 <Ammler> push again 14:42:48 <Ammler> and the repo is there 14:43:01 <planetmaker> nothing will happen. I didn't fill any values. 14:43:17 <Ammler> ? 14:43:20 <planetmaker> and I don't have anything sensible to push 14:43:39 <Ammler> the push you made in german?= 14:44:04 <planetmaker> well. That I did. I rollback'ed. And I commited the English one. And now it's deleted. 14:44:13 <Ammler> well, other possibility is to wait until hourly at 11 14:44:44 <Ammler> or to run "sudo -u redmine /home/redmine/uprepos.sh" 14:44:56 <planetmaker> But redmine won't automagically re-create the repo? 14:45:00 <planetmaker> For itself, won't it? 14:45:11 <Ammler> it does once per hour 14:45:15 <Ammler> or at every push 14:45:16 <planetmaker> ? 14:45:26 <Ammler> that is the message you get, when you push 14:45:29 <planetmaker> I didn't assign any repo to it... 14:45:31 <Ammler> it runs the script above 14:45:37 <Ammler> I did 14:45:40 <planetmaker> I just clicked that link. 14:45:45 <planetmaker> And nothing more 14:45:53 <Ammler> and I added the repo again 14:45:57 <planetmaker> ok 14:47:42 <planetmaker> Ammler, And now go to 2cctrainset -> repository 14:47:50 <planetmaker> No revision, no age, no author :( 14:48:26 <Ammler> yes 14:48:33 <planetmaker> If that's now gone completely, it was definitely not worth the deletion. 14:48:34 <Ammler> do I really need to repeat me? 14:48:39 <planetmaker> I guess :P 14:48:45 <Ammler> [16:44] <Ammler> or to run "sudo -u redmine /home/redmine/uprepos.sh" 14:48:56 <Ammler> [16:45] <Ammler> it does once per hour 14:49:03 <Ammler> [16:45] <Ammler> or at every push 14:49:06 <planetmaker> ok 14:49:11 <planetmaker> :) 14:49:23 <Ammler> I was a bit too late 14:49:25 <planetmaker> I guess now I understand 14:49:32 <Ammler> else the push of foobar would have done it 14:49:36 <planetmaker> at least a bread-crump more 14:53:57 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #296: Should primary industries exhaust their resources a... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/296#change-618 (by Ammler) 14:58:00 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #296: Should primary industries exhaust their resources a... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/296#change-618 (by Ammler) 15:04:44 *** yorick has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:05:58 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #296: Should primary industries exhaust their resources a... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/296#change-619 (by planetmaker) 15:13:21 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 216: Change: Move the NewGRF-ID into config file @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/216 (by planetmaker) 15:13:21 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 217: Change: readme.txt should mention the current version / title of th... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/217 (by planetmaker) 15:13:21 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Bug #137 (Closed): Misaligned trains @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/137#change-620 (by Anonymous) 15:26:14 <Ammler> oh 15:26:23 <Ammler> the user assignement 15:33:26 <planetmaker> :D 15:36:57 <Ammler> hmm, this might be worth for an other release 15:37:00 <Ammler> 1.0.2 15:53:54 <planetmaker> hm? what? 15:54:10 <planetmaker> who was this anonymous person? You? 15:58:32 <Ammler> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/159 15:59:00 <Ammler> DJNekkid uses different names: "DJNekkid" and DJ Nekkid" 16:00:03 <Ammler> if anonymous closes a ticket, it has to be a commit 16:00:23 <Ammler> and because I forgot the mapping for djn 16:00:36 <Ammler> redmine wasn't able to assign it to him. 16:01:32 <Ammler> oh 16:01:35 <Ammler> now, I got it 16:01:45 <Ammler> he 16:07:40 <planetmaker> ah :) 16:08:10 <planetmaker> andythenorth_: FooBar_ : do you have pdflatex installed? 16:08:31 <planetmaker> Currently there's no automatic way to create the documentation of OpenGFX 16:08:55 <planetmaker> pdflatex would be one means to create a pdf from plain text files. And it would be quite cross-platform 16:09:44 <planetmaker> he... the server hasn't got it. 16:09:48 <Ammler> why do yu need a pdf from plain file? 16:10:23 <Ammler> the readme is a pdf because of the image, afaik. 16:10:45 <planetmaker> in order to include images. 16:10:45 <Ammler> what about html 16:11:02 <planetmaker> also possible. But cannot be uploaded to bananas 16:11:19 <Ammler> well, do you care about that? 16:11:20 <planetmaker> .txt || .pdf || 16:11:27 <Ammler> nobody does read banans anyway. 16:11:28 <planetmaker> yes, it should have a manual 16:11:47 <Ammler> bananas grfs are in a tar, 16:11:55 <yorick> how bout html? 16:12:25 <Ammler> people which use bananas for a grf don't read the docs, most likely. 16:12:45 <planetmaker> looking at the pdf, a plain text file will suffice indeed. 16:13:05 <planetmaker> Ammler: I know. But that's not a reason to have _no_ readme which can be updated 16:13:17 <planetmaker> also not for other purposes 16:13:25 <Ammler> yes 16:13:47 <Ammler> but also no reason to decline something nice, just because bananas can't handle it. 16:13:50 <planetmaker> Also I want to have the option to tell people to read the enclosed do-not-readme.txt 16:14:13 <planetmaker> plain text is easier to maintain :) 16:14:19 <Ammler> hmm, html2pdf? 16:14:36 <planetmaker> ? 16:14:42 <Ammler> for the bananas 16:14:42 * yorick already wants to read the do-not-readme.txt :) 16:15:08 <Ammler> indeed, best is .txt, IMO: 16:15:26 <planetmaker> Also browsers can display it. 16:15:51 <Ammler> well, if you have images, then html or pdf 16:16:09 <planetmaker> Though, of course, not as nice... Well. First let's get a txt. We can then - next step :D - get a doc creation script for different purposes 16:16:21 <planetmaker> Ammler: it only has a teaser image. Looks nice, but completely un-essential 16:16:40 <Ammler> indeed. 16:16:57 <Ammler> well 16:17:19 <Ammler> it is the reason for the current pdf 16:18:03 <Brot6> OpenGFX: update from r83 to r89, starting nightly compile 16:18:31 <Brot6> OpenGFX: nightlies compile finished with 2 errors: http://mz.openttdcoop.org/bundles/opengfx/nightlies/log/ 16:21:26 <Ammler> planetmaker: https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/159 <-- could you please reopen it :-) 16:23:17 <planetmaker> why? 16:23:38 <planetmaker> still mis-aligend? 16:28:02 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Bug #137 (Feedback): Misaligned trains @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/137#change-621 (by planetmaker) 16:28:45 <yorick> http://pastebin.com/d5aa04f77 :) 16:47:46 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #296: Should primary industries exhaust their resources a... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/296#change-622 (by foobar) 16:52:44 <FooBar_> I don't have pdflatex; I have Acrobat here... :) 16:53:25 <FooBar_> Also, a plain text readme is just fine, even if it only contains a link to a webpage where one can view a html readme. 16:56:46 *** andythenorth_ has quit IRC 16:59:05 <planetmaker> I just added and commited it. 16:59:35 <planetmaker> It's basically the same text as the pdf. But in a few places I updated the links to the devzone. And I omited the "see also" section 16:59:49 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Revision 90: Feature: Add plaintext readme.txt @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/90 (by planetmaker) 16:59:49 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Revision 91: Change: use the new readme.txt @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/91 (by planetmaker) 16:59:49 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #296: Should primary industries exhaust their resources a... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/296#change-623 (by Ammler) 17:00:11 <planetmaker> The hidden feature is: it will always contain the version of the grf it is attached to :) 17:00:53 <Ammler> isn't the obg alfeady a kind of readme too? 17:02:01 <planetmaker> it's no readme. 17:02:17 <planetmaker> even though it contains interesting info 17:03:24 <Ammler> anyway, md5sum on the newgrfs would be nice :P 17:03:33 <planetmaker> :) 17:03:47 <planetmaker> Well, as I said, can be added. :) 17:03:59 <planetmaker> Make a feature request, then I won't forget 17:12:44 <Brot6> FIRS: well, I made another nightly. :-P 17:15:36 <planetmaker> haha @ Brot 17:16:38 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #298: parameters @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/298 (by foobar) 17:16:38 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: #openttdcoop - Feature #299: md5sum of the newgrf in the readme @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/299 (by Ammler) 17:19:23 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: #openttdcoop - Feature #299: md5sum of the newgrf in the readme @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/299 (by Ammler) 17:20:28 <Brot6> Yeah! Bugfixes should be published, asap. ;-) 17:21:17 <planetmaker> FooBar_: especially 3b is something which I actually would like to see as configurable option ;) 17:22:37 <planetmaker> e.g. I'd like the option to play a game with FIRS where serviced industries neither change their behaviour nor vanish :) 17:23:07 <planetmaker> it doesn't need (or should) be the default, though 17:31:32 *** andythenorth_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:33:22 <Ammler> planetmaker: as I understood foobar, he doesn't like too many parameters already 17:33:45 <Ammler> it is like with adv. settings :-) 17:34:01 <planetmaker> Ammler: exposing that as the 4th bit doesn't hurt, if its done that way internally anyway 17:35:53 <planetmaker> btw, Ammler your rss pngs now are nicer aligned :) 17:35:57 <planetmaker> kudos! 17:36:58 <Ammler> :P 17:37:08 <Ammler> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/293 <-- isn't that fixed? 17:37:28 <Ammler> planetmaker: ^ 17:38:10 <planetmaker> hm. You mean the -1 * 4 00 00 00 00 in the 1st sprite? 17:38:17 <planetmaker> I guess :) 17:40:08 <planetmaker> closed 17:40:16 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #300: Unexpected sprites @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/300 (by Ammler) 17:40:16 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #293 (Closed): sprite counter @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/293#change-624 (by planetmaker) 17:42:29 <Ammler> ups 17:42:40 <Ammler> I need the old nforenum and grfcodec local too 17:42:52 <planetmaker> I guess 17:45:13 <Ammler> no 17:45:18 <Ammler> same with server version. 17:45:47 <planetmaker> others reported it in tt-forums, too. So it's not a TTDP thing 17:46:22 <Ammler> hmm 17:46:29 <Ammler> ttdp? 17:46:34 <Ammler> well 17:46:48 <Ammler> the nfo on the server is still ugly 17:46:57 <planetmaker> well... 17:46:58 <Ammler> it doesn't accept escapes 17:47:08 <planetmaker> hu? 17:47:21 <Ammler> /!!Invalid character: "\". 17:47:35 <planetmaker> he... 17:47:50 <planetmaker> did you delete your ~/.renum ? 17:47:57 <planetmaker> Dunno whether it helps. Didn't here 17:51:30 <Ammler> strange 17:53:26 <Ammler> does someone of you have a working copy? 17:53:32 <Ammler> I delete the nightlies. 17:54:13 <planetmaker> don't delete them 17:54:22 <planetmaker> They're still nightlies :) 17:56:40 <planetmaker> lol 17:56:55 <planetmaker> If I compile with my "broken" grfcodec and renum versions it doesn't disable itself. 17:57:09 <planetmaker> I guess they might be correct after all? 17:57:29 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #296: Should primary industries exhaust their resources a... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/296#change-625 (by andythenorth) 17:57:34 <andythenorth_> Evening 17:58:36 <Ammler> planetmaker: I delete them to avoid bug posts about. 17:58:45 <planetmaker> ok 17:58:48 <andythenorth_> FooBar_: 17:59:00 <planetmaker> hi andythenorth_ 17:59:09 <andythenorth_> "I've always hated the fact that temperate oil wells close down, so I never ever service those." 17:59:19 <andythenorth_> is that not contradictory with the eras thing :D 17:59:20 <andythenorth_> ? 18:04:02 <Brot6> 2cctrainset: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/OpenTTD/2cctrainset/ initiated. 18:04:13 <Brot6> opengfx: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/OpenTTD/opengfx/ initiated. 18:08:07 *** seandasheep has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:08:22 <yorick> hey sean 18:08:26 <seandasheep> hi yorick 18:10:39 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #301: brewery broken @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/301 (by planetmaker) 18:16:21 <seandasheep> ok, thanks 18:17:09 <Ammler> ? 18:17:15 <Ammler> :-) 18:17:18 <yorick> I noticed him some link 18:17:29 <yorick> he wants to learn nfo 18:18:02 <Ammler> ok, nice preprocessing with files 18:18:14 <Ammler> but why undefine? 18:18:29 <FooBar_> andythenorth_: yes and no. In the eras thing industries will be able to increase production until they're ordered to close down. Actually this ever-decreasing production of the oil wells is what annoys me: it takes too long to fill a train. I might have expressed myself incorrectly earlier on... 18:18:45 <yorick> Ammler: because you can't redefine? 18:18:54 <Ammler> ah ok. 18:19:16 <Ammler> but that would be possible with m4 18:19:22 <Ammler> afaik 18:19:34 *** andythenorth_ has quit IRC 18:20:19 <Ammler> FooBar_: oil weels is the industry I never serviced, either. 18:20:46 <Ammler> oh, and dunno, but the nightlies on the server failed 18:20:59 <FooBar_> I read about the nightlies... 18:21:02 <Ammler> I deleted them all to avoid bug reports. 18:21:23 <FooBar_> I uploaded a new one which works for me in 0.7.1 18:21:49 <FooBar_> So you can leave r127 in, as that should be alright. 18:22:33 <Ammler> no the server renum can't handle escapes 18:22:45 <Ammler> it comments those sprites out 18:23:58 <yorick> Ammler: try updating the renum, with a newer version ;) 18:24:11 <yorick> it fixed the problem for be 18:24:13 <yorick> me* 18:24:37 <Ammler> ah, you uploaded one to the binary server :-) 18:25:34 <yorick> nono, I had the same problem here 18:25:53 <yorick> oh, FooBar_ 18:25:54 <yorick> did 18:26:31 <Ammler> yorick: try to compile firs 18:26:38 <FooBar_> yes, I uploaded to the binary server :) 18:27:00 <Ammler> (slightly edited my post) ;-) 18:27:02 <FooBar_> didn't you get a big warning about my hostname reverse lookup being broken? :P 18:27:08 <Ammler> :P 18:27:16 * yorick pulls 18:27:16 <Ammler> :-) 18:28:02 <yorick> make so far does nothing 18:28:13 <Ammler> since I moved my domains to Google Apps, I am spammed about denied requests for that domain. 18:28:22 <yorick> f with firs.new 18:28:23 <yorick> Done! 18:28:35 <Ammler> now, check the nfo ;-) 18:28:47 <Ammler> or the warnings you just got. 18:29:12 <yorick> 167 * 57 00 0B \b19 01 18:29:28 <Ammler> ? 18:29:42 <yorick> The sprite following sprite 485 could not be processed. 18:29:44 <Ammler> hmm, not warnings, errors :-) 18:30:21 <yorick> Invalid escape sequence 18:30:35 <yorick> loads of them after 473 18:31:01 <yorick> it seems to fail at \dx........ 18:31:30 <FooBar_> yorick: then your renum is to new... 18:31:34 <FooBar_> too* 18:32:02 <Ammler> FooBar_: I use the newgrf gui too :P 18:32:15 <Ammler> openttd without isn't useable anymore. 18:32:41 *** yorick_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:32:46 <yorick_> NFORenum v3.4.6 r2111E - Copyright 2004-2009 Dale McCoy. 18:32:52 <FooBar_> agreed, but what about it? I don't recall any reference to it... 18:32:52 *** yorick is now known as Guest435 18:32:53 *** yorick_ is now known as yorick 18:32:57 * FooBar_ is confused... 18:33:12 <Ammler> the "better" newgrf gui 18:33:20 <Ammler> like the one benny used 18:34:02 * yorick is gone 18:34:22 <Ammler> ah, TPPP, what is that? 18:34:27 <Ammler> terkens pack 18:39:13 *** Guest435 has quit IRC 18:40:22 <FooBar_> Ammler: ah, that one. 18:40:45 <FooBar_> Once it hits trunk (or something similar), I'll start using it myself as well :P 18:41:02 <FooBar_> I don't know what TPPP stands for, but it sounded as a patchpack... 18:42:58 <Ammler> it is, but a good one :-) 18:43:24 <Ammler> don't use it, I use pm's 18:44:13 <Ammler> something like the the newgrf gui or the station guis, I can't use it without. 18:48:12 * yorick is back 18:48:41 <Ammler> oh, btw. 18:48:56 <Ammler> FooBar_: I can't status of bug reports 18:49:05 <Ammler> I would close/reject the sprite thing 18:49:06 <Ammler> hmm 18:51:12 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #300 (Closed): Unexpected sprites @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/300#change-626 (by foobar) 18:51:19 <FooBar_> done :) 18:51:34 <FooBar_> And now two commits: ... 18:53:28 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 128: Change: Add renum flags to makefile.config to suppr... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/128 (by foobar) 18:53:28 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 129: Doc: A little info on what renum/grfcodec to use fo... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/129 (by foobar) 18:55:12 *** seandasheep has quit IRC 19:04:26 *** yorick has quit IRC 19:11:40 *** Chris_Booth_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:17:43 *** Chris_Booth has quit IRC 19:18:11 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #301: brewery broken @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/301#change-627 (by foobar) 19:50:00 *** yorick has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:00:31 *** Farden has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:10:07 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #301 (Closed): brewery broken @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/301#change-628 (by planetmaker) 20:13:22 <planetmaker> FooBar_: can it be that the distribution of waste collection points is quite... unevenly distributed among towns? 20:14:39 <planetmaker> I have a 156 inhabitants town with 15 such things and a lot of ~1k towns without any 20:15:18 <planetmaker> well... I gess that's chance 21:06:41 *** Chris_Booth_ is now known as Booth 21:18:48 *** yorick has quit IRC 21:19:12 *** seandasheep has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:32:01 <FooBar_> planetmaker: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/297 21:32:44 <FooBar_> I think the brewery problem might be due to the faulty build? 21:36:18 <Ammler> I am a bit sad, my "workaround" with old renum and codec didn't work. :-( 21:37:42 <planetmaker> FooBar_: I closed it. Yes, I guess 21:38:32 <Ammler> doesn't Lakie also code for renum? 21:47:05 *** Farden has quit IRC 21:50:10 <FooBar_> Don't know, but /someone/ must have a working stable renum for linux, not? 21:50:47 <FooBar_> And actually why is there an nfo in here? http://mz.openttdcoop.org/bundles/firs/nightlies/ 22:04:05 <Brot6> firs: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/firs/firs/ initiated. 22:04:31 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 130: Change: Disallow combining with other industry sets... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/130 (by foobar) 22:04:52 *** seandasheep has quit IRC 23:00:34 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 23:08:56 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 132: Feature: Recycling Plant @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/132 (by foobar) 23:08:56 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 133: Change: Credit some people... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/133 (by foobar) 23:10:07 <FooBar_> That last one includes an invisible merge I'm hoping to get away with... :P 23:10:29 <FooBar_> Anyways, goodnight! 23:10:32 *** FooBar_ has quit IRC 23:35:43 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Feature #294 (Feedback): Sprite 4629 - Toyland Church (32bpp, 8bpp) @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/294#change-629 (by athanasios)