Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 7th July 2009:
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01:33:36  <Brot6> Backup done! (Usage: 71M)
01:33:37  <Brot6> Kids, the seven basic food groups are GUM, PUFF PASTRY, PIZZA, PESTICIDES, ANTIBIOTICS, NUTRA-SWEET and MILK DUDS!!
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09:03:22  <yorick> Ammler: same problem with SpriteAligner here too...
09:04:15  <Ammler> which same?
09:04:24  <Ammler> I have many p
09:07:20  <yorick> the y 0
09:09:21  <Ammler>  /home/ottdc/tools/boost_1_39_0/boost/bimap/bimap.hpp:424: internal compiler error: in reference_to_unused, at dwarf2out.c:10010
09:09:36  <Ammler> planetmaker: ^
09:09:52  <yorick> internal compiler errors :P
09:10:19  <Ammler> how to solve?
09:10:44  <yorick> report to compiler people?
09:11:20  <Ammler> so updating gcc should help?
09:11:26  <yorick> maybe
09:11:48  <Ammler> gcc version 4.2.1 (SUSE Linux)
09:12:38  <yorick> gcc version 4.4.0 (Mingw)
09:12:39  <yorick> :)
09:13:13  <Ammler> I check, if there is a newer version available for the server
09:13:46  <yorick> or it might be your RAM
09:14:50  <Ammler> he?
09:15:02  <yorick>
09:15:04  <Webster> Title: The SIG11 problem (at
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09:22:55  <planetmaker> Ammler, congratulations ;)
09:23:07  <planetmaker> Get a new compiler, I'd say.
09:23:11  <planetmaker> But what triggeres that?
09:23:25  <Ammler> compile new renum
09:23:50  <planetmaker> hm... worked here flawlessly.
09:24:02  <Ammler> you have same gcc version?
09:24:03  * yorick svn ups renum
09:24:11  <planetmaker> gcc --version
09:24:11  <planetmaker> gcc (SUSE Linux) 4.3.1 20080507 (prerelease) [gcc-4_3-branch revision 135036]
09:24:56  <yorick> pseudo.cpp:80: fout: â?~EOFâ?T was not declared in this scope
09:25:00  <yorick> lovely failure
09:25:21  <planetmaker> :D
09:25:38  <planetmaker> worked on all of my compilers.
09:25:41  <yorick> yes
09:25:45  <yorick> gcc 4.4 fixed that bug
09:25:46  <planetmaker> hm... did it? Dunno
09:25:53  <yorick> you now have to include cstdio directly
09:25:55  <planetmaker> At least I got it compiled
09:26:44  <yorick> oh, al kinds of boosty errors now
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09:30:02  <planetmaker> non here.
09:30:26  <planetmaker> neither with gcc 3.4.5 nor with 4.5 nor with 4.3.1
09:30:43  <planetmaker> so... my guess is that it's your error :)
09:31:07  <yorick> yes, my version of boost doesn't support gcc 4.4
09:31:17  <yorick> according to a mysql bug report :)
09:31:30  <planetmaker> though... dunno. I think I compiled prior to 2126 commit
09:31:44  <planetmaker> just 2125. There's no functional difference anyway
09:32:53  <planetmaker> at least under linux, though 2126 compiles
09:34:10  * yorick updates boost
09:35:14  <FooBar_> is it me or is tt-forums unavailabe?
09:35:54  <yorick>
09:36:00  <Webster> Title: Down for everyone or just me? (at
09:37:35  <FooBar_> ah, that's a keeper :)
09:41:15  <yorick> anyone in need of a new renum?
09:41:40  <yorick> it compiles here
09:54:16  <FooBar_> I'm trying to compile one myself, but as I excpect that to fail, yes I'd like one :P
09:54:36  <yorick> FooBar_: you on windows?
09:54:40  <FooBar_> yes
09:56:04  <yorick> FooBar_:
09:56:07  <Webster> Title: senduit | Share easily. (at
09:56:33  <FooBar_> thanks :)
09:58:33  * yorick hacks the depend away
09:58:37  <yorick> who needs dependencies...
09:59:12  <Ammler> what is the difference to those pm made?
09:59:56  <yorick> this one's stripped
10:00:03  <yorick> where's the one pm made?
10:00:57  <Ammler>
10:01:21  <Ammler> well, strange thing, grfcodec and nforenum has same rev ;-)
10:01:30  <Ammler> ve*
10:01:46  <yorick> my renum is newer
10:02:46  <yorick> I think dalestan fixed the escape just this morning
10:06:01  <Ammler> planetmaker: your zip doesn't work here
10:06:21  <Ammler> why do you zip them anyway?
10:06:54  <Ammler> and I can't wget senduit
10:07:07  <Ammler> so I leave that for now, bon appetit :-)
10:08:36  <Ammler> FooBar_: it might be an error in your script, the zip from pm doesn't work
10:08:42  <yorick> oh, I forgot including COPYING
10:09:07  <FooBar_> Ammler: what zip?
10:16:28  <yorick> FooBar_: need grfcodec r2126 too?
10:16:50  <FooBar_> most likely yes :)
10:17:08  <FooBar_> I don't think the old grfcodec likes the new renum...
10:20:19  <yorick> FooBar_:
10:20:26  <Webster> Title: senduit | Share easily. (at
10:21:20  <FooBar_> and thanks again :)
10:25:26  <FooBar_> or maybe not...
10:25:48  <FooBar_> renum: "Deze toepassing kan niet worden gestart omdat libgcc_s_dw2-1.dll niet kan worden gevonden." :S
10:26:10  <FooBar_> same for grfcodec
10:26:20  <yorick> oh great
10:26:26  <yorick> the dynamic libgcc thing
10:26:38  <yorick> lovely
10:27:29  <yorick> "Note that this is
10:27:29  <yorick>   the default for all languages other than C.
10:27:31  <yorick> "
10:28:52  * yorick recompiles with -static-libgcc
10:29:14  <FooBar_> planetmaker's "old r2125" builds don't have that problem...
10:30:06  <yorick> FooBar_: yes, it's a new "feature" of gcc 4.4
10:30:19  <yorick> to support throwing exceptions across dlls
10:30:29  <FooBar_> nice "feature" :S
10:35:18  * yorick hopes it doesn't go complain about libgcj or libstdc++
10:37:22  <yorick> FooBar_: <-- nforenum take #3
10:37:25  <Webster> Title: senduit | Share easily. (at
10:45:20  <yorick> FooBar_: <-- grfcodec take #3
10:45:25  <yorick> these should just work :)
10:45:31  <Webster> Title: senduit | Share easily. (at
10:45:35  <FooBar_> let me just see... :)
10:47:47  <FooBar_> yep, these work
10:48:11  <yorick> it's automatically in my path, so I don't notice those things :)
10:48:30  <yorick> openttd also seems unaffected
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10:55:34  <Ammler> I get same error with gcc-4.4
10:56:37  <yorick> Ammler: what same error?
11:00:05  <Ammler> same I already posted here
11:00:25  <Ammler>  /home/ottdc/tools/boost_1_39_0/boost/bimap/bimap.hpp:424: internal compiler error: in reference_to_unused, at dwarf2out.c:10010
11:01:27  <yorick> oh
11:01:37  <yorick> then it's either your memory, or it's a gcc bug
11:03:28  <Ammler> no
11:03:36  <Ammler> don't believe that
11:04:34  <yorick> internal compiler error is some error within your compiler
11:36:09  <Ammler> <-- FooBar_
11:37:17  <FooBar_> that's annoying... it doesn't recognise any escape string...
11:38:01  <FooBar_> It compiles fine here with either pm's r2125 or yorick's r2126
11:40:07  <Ammler> the flag "-C"
11:40:18  <Ammler> now, it works
11:40:29  <FooBar_> ah, good
11:40:45  <Ammler> but I would like to keep the comments in the final nfo ;-)
11:41:28  <Ammler> yorick: you FAILED! ;-)
11:41:42  <yorick> huh?
11:41:48  <Ammler> you suggested to use -C
11:42:01  <yorick> gcc -C -E
11:42:02  <yorick> yes
11:42:02  <Ammler> :-)
11:42:23  <yorick> then how did I fail?
11:43:14  <Ammler> if I use that flag, I get the following nfo:
11:43:24  <Ammler> without -C, it works
11:43:43  <FooBar_> I decided that there's not much advantage in keeping the comments in the processed nfo. They get stripped while encoding the grf anyways.
11:44:07  <Ammler> so the fault wasn't my nforenum version
11:44:13  <Ammler> it was that flag :-(
11:44:37  <yorick> well it works here
11:44:59  <Ammler> FooBar_: documentation for people not able to understand the whole make process, but you are right.
11:45:45  <yorick> I use gcc -C -E file | sed -e '/^E/d' -e '/^$$/d'
11:45:46  <yorick> try that
11:48:01  <Ammler> mäh
11:48:10  <Ammler> that looks very ugly
11:48:28  <yorick> | sed -e '/^#/d' -e '/^$$/d' > $@
11:48:30  <yorick> that one
11:48:31  <yorick> I mean
11:48:48  <yorick> gcc -C -E file | sed -e '/^#/d' -e '/^$$/d' > $@
11:48:51  <Ammler> then I decide to agree with FooBar_ and through away comments ;-)
11:49:25  * FooBar_ is agreed with
11:49:26  <yorick> Ammler: you could also try gcc -C -P -E file
11:50:57  <Ammler> hmm, that might work :-)
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12:15:08  * Ammler :-(
12:15:12  <yorick> ?
12:15:20  <Ammler> don't have same md5sum on the server as foobar
12:25:33  <Ammler> <-- no reference
12:25:56  <Ammler> added "part of" and "part" to the reference key words
12:30:44  <planetmaker> <yorick> I think dalestan fixed the escape just this morning <-- that's wrong
12:30:56  <planetmaker> DaleStan fixed a single compile warning which has no influence on the version
12:31:36  <planetmaker> <FooBar_> planetmaker's "old r2125" builds don't have that problem... <-- they work for you? Great :)
12:31:55  <yorick> planetmaker: "r2125 Allow hex escapes that have bit 31 set."
12:32:06  <planetmaker> yorick, what do you think which version I compiled?
12:32:13  <yorick> r2125 :D
12:32:15  <planetmaker> And what do you think when that fix was made?
12:32:18  <planetmaker> yesterday.
12:32:22  <planetmaker> Today is r2126 only
12:32:23  <yorick> 21:15
12:32:34  <FooBar_> and why do you think that fix was made? :P
12:32:40  <planetmaker> You'll notice that I have those versions up since yesterday evening.
12:33:13  <planetmaker> right one hour after FooBar_ notified me of it actually.
12:34:09  <planetmaker> btw yorick: my files are also stripped and upx packed. So please check before you spread false information
12:34:21  <yorick> k
12:34:36  * planetmaker is quite a bit annoyed by a wanna-be-cool kid :S
12:35:24  <planetmaker> So: is there for anyone a problem with my 2125 versions?
12:35:32  <planetmaker> There's no need to update to 2126 anyway.
12:36:07  <planetmaker> That I'd be majorly interested in, if it's worthwhile for me to actually go for the length to compile it. If it doesn't work it's something which needs fixing.
12:42:45  <planetmaker> FooBar_, did you ever think of using a bouncer?
12:43:01  <FooBar_> no...
12:43:09  <FooBar_> what's the advantage?
12:43:37  <planetmaker> One could leave you messages here :)
12:43:52  <planetmaker> E.g. that you could get new renum / grfcodec would have reached you at 23:30h yesterday :)
12:44:01  <planetmaker> and you'd know it once you log in to IRC
12:44:23  <planetmaker> e.g. it'd allow IRC to be somewhat like multi-person e-mail :)
12:44:55  <planetmaker> or like you noticed yesterday "oh, he isn't here". Yes, I wasn't. But I noticed later that you addressed me and I could respond.
12:46:01  <planetmaker> e.g. it makes asynchronous communication easier :)
12:46:16  <FooBar_> Well, if you didn't use I boucer I wouldn't have talked to you yesterday, as tab-highlighting wouldn't have worked ;)
12:46:43  <planetmaker> :) Well, yes. But I *think* it was a worthwhile notice. Don't you think?
12:47:13  <FooBar_> Let me think about that bouncer when I get back from holidays. I'm not interested in 4 weeks worth of messages being bounced once I get back :P
12:47:26  <planetmaker> well... you can define the history length :)
12:47:47  <FooBar_> ah
12:47:54  <FooBar_> how much is one of those bouncers?
12:48:02  <planetmaker> you mean money?
12:48:06  <planetmaker> 0 ct
12:48:12  <FooBar_> yes, I only want one if it's free :P
12:48:39  <planetmaker> It's just that we need Ammler :D
12:48:52  <planetmaker> As he knows how to setup a new account for the devzone bouncer :)
12:49:02  <FooBar_> ah
12:49:07  <planetmaker> Ammler, maybe you can walk me through so I can do that, too :)
12:50:04  <planetmaker> in principle the bouncer will keep you connected and log things. And you then only ever connect to your bouncer
12:50:29  <planetmaker> and upon login it will re-play a history of configured length
12:50:45  <Ammler> [14:48] <planetmaker> It's just that we need Ammler  <-- admin account is on our admin wiki
12:50:55  <FooBar_> ok, well then I like to subscribe to one of those :)
12:51:03  <planetmaker> :) Let's try now?
12:51:10  <FooBar_> sure
12:51:35  <FooBar_> I'm only watching tv anyways
12:51:36  <Ammler> and planetmaker, I have a problem with your pack either.
12:51:51  <planetmaker> Ammler, with my pack? renum? grfcodec?
12:51:59  <Ammler> but I compiled now a veryion locally and uploaded it to the server
12:52:07  <planetmaker> hu?
12:52:21  <Ammler> wasn't able to unpack your zip
12:52:30  <planetmaker> Oh :( well. One after another. First FooBar_ 's bouncer?
12:52:38  <Ammler> but that might be an issue of the download repo
12:53:09  <Ammler> he can use the bouncer from Hirundo
12:53:49  <Ammler>
12:54:03  <planetmaker> That's what I thought
12:55:43  <planetmaker> Let me try to create a new account there :)
12:58:32  <Ammler> hmm
13:01:59  <planetmaker> FooBar_, you should with the same login, I think, also be able to edit your account there:
13:04:15  <Ammler> planetmaker: use ssl
13:04:22  <Ammler> +6697
13:04:39  <planetmaker> ok :) ^^ read that, FooBar_ ? :)
13:05:08  <FooBar_> read: yes. understand: not yet...
13:05:12  <Ammler> and the bouncer itself is reachable with ssl only
13:05:26  <Ammler> port +54322
13:05:46  <planetmaker> ok. That's the port I gave him :)
13:05:51  <FooBar_> how do I connect using a password?
13:06:04  <FooBar_> I can't seem to find a box to put that...
13:06:14  <planetmaker> FooBar_, I usually connect and then get a message like Login required (a bit more verbose)
13:06:33  <planetmaker> then I send a message like /quote pass pm:<mypw>
13:06:39  <planetmaker> and then I'm loged in.
13:06:47  <FooBar_> i'm getting [ERROR]	Connection to irc://" target="_blank">irc:// (irc://" target="_blank">irc:// reset.
13:07:26  <planetmaker> you don't get the chance to type in your pw?
13:07:41  <Ammler> FooBar_: SSL
13:08:03  <FooBar_> hmmz...
13:08:32  <planetmaker> FooBar_, your IRC client should have an SSL option somewhere. Basically it's like configuring a new IRC server.
13:08:38  <planetmaker> Just use the bouncer as the new IRC server
13:09:43  <FooBar_> well, I connect typing irc:// etc...
13:10:27  <Ammler> irc://
13:10:44  <FooBar_> ah, I think I have something...
13:10:52  <FooBar_>  /sslserver adress name password
13:11:06  <planetmaker> :)
13:19:56  <FooBar_> it keeps complaining about an invalid certificate...
13:21:11  <FooBar_> ah, I have something now...
13:21:26  <FooBar_> needed to authorize it in Fx and then reconnect
13:21:48  <Ammler> if you need correct cert, use as domain
13:22:33  <FooBar_> well, I have it connected now
13:22:41  <Ammler> hmm, we could use that now officially, since I changed that.
13:23:07  <FooBar_> although "openttdcoop.devzone Illegal channel name"
13:23:11  <FooBar_> it tells me
13:23:37  <FooBar_> maybe because I'm connected here as well with the same nickname...
13:23:39  <FooBar_> lets's see...
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13:24:03  <planetmaker> oh. Then I forgot the leading #
13:24:12  <planetmaker> most probable.
13:24:23  <planetmaker> just use the connection you got and /join.......
13:24:24  <planetmaker> damn
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13:25:38  <planetmaker> Hey FooBar- obviously it worked :)
13:25:52  <planetmaker> <planetmaker> oh. Then I forgot the leading #
13:25:52  <planetmaker> <planetmaker> most probable.
13:26:26  <FooBar-> well, it works now ;)
13:26:33  <FooBar-> I added the #
13:26:37  <Ammler> now, the configure part
13:26:45  <Ammler> did you get the welcome msg?
13:26:59  <planetmaker> Good :)
13:27:12  <planetmaker> You can add, of course, other channels, too
13:27:18  <planetmaker> And maybe change your PW
13:27:39  <FooBar-> nah, the one you gave me is fine :P
13:27:42  <Ammler> you don't need to do that with web
13:27:51  <Ammler> just enable chansaver
13:28:07  <Ammler> and then every channel you join will automatically be saved
13:29:50  <Ammler> FooBar-: run /msg *status connect
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13:30:41  <Ammler> [15:30] [275] FooBar_ is connected via SSL (secure link) <-- that's why
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13:33:31  <Ammler> :-)
13:34:36  <FooBar__> hmmmz...still need to figure out how to save password...
13:34:44  <FooBar__> and maybe even autoconnect...
13:35:01  <FooBar__> I'll be going on and offline for the next hour or so :P
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13:35:48  <planetmaker> :D
13:37:51  <Ammler> I set some options already.
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13:45:55  <FooBar_> I don't understand...
13:46:25  <FooBar_> In the meantime it asks for a password, it also connects to regularly
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13:48:57  <planetmaker> FooBar_, the bouncer is always connected :) - you just connect to it... and get access when you entered the PW. But... I figure you know that :)
13:49:03  <planetmaker> At least you're still here :)
13:50:06  <FooBar_> yes, but while I connect to the bouncer, it also opens #openttdcoop.devzone the usual way, while I have deleted that numerous times...
13:50:35  <planetmaker> FooBar_, yes. That's how your bouncer is configured: to open this channel for you upon connect.
13:50:40  <planetmaker> Or do you have it twice?
13:50:47  <planetmaker> you're here only once...
13:50:55  <FooBar_> yes, once via the bouncer, once via
13:51:06  <FooBar_> let me reconnect from scratch again
13:51:21  <planetmaker> hm... I remember something like that...
13:51:53  <FooBar_> it doesn't do that any more
13:52:01  <planetmaker> :)
13:52:20  <planetmaker> the ways of the computer are mysterious and shrouded. Impossible to understand they are :P
13:52:39  <FooBar_> well, now to store my password somewhere...
13:52:56  <planetmaker> that's something which doesn't work for me either...
13:53:11  <planetmaker> but I never spent much energy on trying to find that solution
13:55:06  <FooBar_> I hope to find one...
14:27:27  <Ammler> FooBar_: I used an alias before I figuered out how it works
14:27:55  <FooBar_> how it works then? :P
14:28:17  <FooBar_> provided you're talking about the password stuff...
14:28:20  <Ammler> something like pw=quote password FooBar:<pw>
14:28:34  <Ammler> then just run /pw
14:28:53  <FooBar_> ah, that would be neat
14:29:23  <Ammler> quite some time ago, I used chatzilla
14:29:40  <yorick> hmm, beardie's having trouble using my makefile
14:29:52  <yorick> renum gets called, but doesn't do anything
14:29:53  * FooBar_ reconnects
14:30:12  <planetmaker> we won't notice that with the bouncer, FooBar_  :)
14:30:26  <FooBar_> true, that's why I'm saying :P
14:30:38  <Ammler> :P
14:30:38  <planetmaker> Actually, when using a bouncer it makes sense to use the possibility to mark yourself as "away"
14:30:49  <planetmaker> you should have that option somewhere in your client.
14:30:50  <FooBar_>  / pw works neatly
14:30:52  <Ammler> and now we can say good bye, if you leave ;-)
14:31:01  <planetmaker> (but don't use a different nick for away)
14:31:09  <FooBar_> did that do anything?
14:31:12  <Ammler> you just will read it the day after :P
14:31:41  <Ammler> maybe, I should remove that modul ;-)
14:32:05  <Ammler> well, I leave it until someone uses it ;-)
14:32:21  <planetmaker> Ammler, what module?
14:32:26  <Ammler> awaynick
14:32:43  <Ammler>  /msg *awaynick help
14:33:39  <planetmaker> ah. :)
14:33:41  <Ammler> well, if not loaded that wouldn't work
14:33:43  <planetmaker> Remove it straight away :)
14:33:51  <Ammler> so I hope, it doesn't
14:33:56  <planetmaker> then it cannot hurt anytime soon :P
14:34:03  <Ammler> :-)
14:34:14  <Ammler> if FooBar_ is familiar with the bouncer
14:34:18  <Ammler> I could admin him.
14:34:36  <planetmaker> :)
14:34:49  <FooBar_> hmmm...not too familiar at the moment...
14:34:53  <planetmaker> what bouncer do you use actually Ammler? You have two running?
14:35:25  <Ammler> well, one is mine, the other is the one for the devzone
14:35:27  <FooBar_> I enabled NickServ to try some password stuff, then disabled it again as it didn't work and now I'm stuck with 4 error messages...
14:35:39  <Ammler> i use it for other servers too
14:35:44  <planetmaker> ah, ok
14:35:58  <Ammler> FooBar_: nickserv would need to register here
14:36:19  <Ammler> then the bouncer could "autoidentify"
14:36:35  <FooBar_> well, I don't need to use it, but I don't really want to be stuck with those messages either...
14:36:45  <planetmaker> yorick, shouldn't it be $< instead of $(<) ?
14:36:51  <Ammler> msg like?
14:37:21  <planetmaker> if renum doesn't do anything it sounds like it got an empty argument.
14:37:27  <yorick> planetmaker: would that matter?
14:37:46  <planetmaker> yorick, I haven't tried. But the makefile manual never spoke of $(<) but always of $<
14:37:51  <planetmaker> (the gnu one)
14:38:06  <FooBar_> ammler:
14:38:09  <FooBar_> [16:34]	*NickServ*	Nickname FooBar_ is not registered. The nickname you specify must be a
14:38:11  <FooBar_> [16:34]	*NickServ*	registered nickname. See HELP REGISTER for more information. If you believe
14:38:12  <FooBar_> [16:34]	*NickServ*	this to be incorrect, there could be a database problem; contact network
14:38:14  <FooBar_> [16:34]	*NickServ*	support if this problem persists.
14:38:21  <yorick> planetmaker:
14:38:24  <planetmaker> FooBar_, then register :)
14:38:43  <Ammler> FooBar_: that is once
14:38:51  <Ammler> just unload the nickserv module
14:39:06  <Ammler>  /query *status
14:39:23  <FooBar_> 	No such nick/channel
14:39:27  <Ammler>  unloadmod nickserv
14:39:34  <yorick> renum should atleast say
14:39:35  <yorick> Processing complete.
14:39:45  <FooBar_> [ERROR]	Unknown command “unloadmod”.
14:39:51  <yorick> and it does when called separately in exactly the same way
14:39:57  <planetmaker> yorick, obviously no is created
14:40:07  <yorick> yes
14:40:15  <yorick> but it should
14:40:17  <planetmaker> e.g. renum doesn't do anything as it is the output of renum. Isn't it?
14:40:18  <Ammler> FooBar_: did you type the "*"?
14:40:18  <FooBar_> I disabled it via the web interface, like the way I enabled it. Maybe it takes time to refresh settings?
14:40:29  <FooBar_> no, a /
14:40:30  <yorick> renum doesn't do anything
14:40:31  <planetmaker> yorick, maybe try to feed it a file called .nfo instead of .pnfo
14:40:35  <Ammler> a reconnect
14:40:37  * FooBar_ tries again
14:40:51  <Ammler> but you can configure with /query *status everything from irc
14:41:33  <FooBar_> unloadmod: [INFO]	No such nick/channel
14:41:48  <yorick> planetmaker: ah, the error showed up this time: "Could not create .renum directory in C:. (17) File exists"
14:42:08  <planetmaker> he
14:42:08  <yorick> but when running it using sh, it also says "created .renum directory in ~" :)
14:42:13  <Ammler> FooBar_: you did that in *status ?
14:42:43  <FooBar_> ah... [16:42]	<*status>	Module [nickserv] not loaded.
14:43:03  <Ammler> and you still get the errors?
14:43:16  <FooBar_> after a reconnect: yes
14:43:16  <Ammler> then type connect in *status
14:43:31  <Ammler> I meant you need to reconnect with the bouncer
14:43:48  <planetmaker> hm... tt-forums are still down :(
14:43:56  <Ammler> orude is in vacation
14:44:05  <FooBar_> I restarted the whole IRC thingy :)
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14:44:14  <planetmaker> cool. The German tt-forums, too :O
14:44:21  <Ammler> hehe
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14:44:32  <planetmaker> but there it's just a 403 for the forum itself. The site is still reachable
14:44:33  <Ammler> FooBar_: wb :P
14:45:27  <planetmaker> FooBar_, and now you can secretly listen to us when we just talk badly about you in your (presumed) absence ;)
14:45:50  <FooBar_> planetmaker: I could read the logs if I wanted to...
14:45:54  <planetmaker> :)
14:46:22  <planetmaker> who wants to do that anyway? ;)
14:46:33  <FooBar_> still [16:45]	*NickServ*	Nickname FooBar_ is not registered... on reconnect
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14:53:00  <planetmaker> he... andythenorth_ has a bouncer account, too, hasn't he?
14:53:08  <planetmaker> hello :)
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14:53:59  <planetmaker> :O
14:54:33  <FooBar_> I don't recall having it from the beginning, only after I enabled and disabled nickserv
14:55:26  <FooBar_> well have I ever...
14:55:48  <FooBar_> I had identify <password> in the auto-command list as a leftover
14:56:22  <FooBar_> Now I wonder why that did something now, but not if I have quote PASS user:pass in it...
15:01:26  <Ammler> nickserv
15:01:35  <Ammler> is for the bouncer to idnetify here
15:01:39  <Ammler> on
15:01:50  <Ammler> with quote PASS, you identify on the boucner
15:02:09  <Ammler> if your settings allow server password
15:02:25  <Ammler> you could use that instead "username:password"
15:09:27  <FooBar_> well, noting is less work than / pw I guess...
15:09:49  <yorick> hmm, how would I depend on pcx files
15:10:23  <Ammler> FooBar_: using linux makes you lazy ;-)
15:10:47  <FooBar_> yorick: see the firs makefile and sprites/nfo/firs.pnfo
15:10:50  <Ammler> I don't need to type anything :-)
15:11:36  <yorick> FooBar_: now that's quite a stupid way :p
15:11:43  <planetmaker> FooBar_, that *works*. But nicer would - of course - be to just extract it from the source.
15:12:03  <yorick> what he said ^^
15:12:14  <FooBar_> yorick: complain to planetmaker about it being stupid. I didn't invent it...
15:12:44  <FooBar_> and you asked a how, I give you a how :)
15:14:33  <planetmaker> :)
15:16:53  <Ammler> yes, let us blame planetmaker
15:17:07  <Ammler> for what again?
15:17:18  <FooBar_> :)
15:17:36  <Ammler> ah, doesn't matter :P
15:17:47  <planetmaker> pa!
15:18:10  * planetmaker goes and commits sudo rm -rf in all makefiles :P
15:18:19  <Ammler> :P
15:18:23  <Ammler> lol
15:18:33  <planetmaker> yes, I know it's wrong :P
15:18:55  <Ammler> don't give yorick ideas ;-)
15:19:04  <planetmaker> :-x
15:24:10  <planetmaker> cat sprites/ogfx1_base.pnfo sprites/ogfxt_toyland.pnfo sprites/ogfxh_tropical.pnfo | grep 'pcx' | awk '{ print  }' | grep 'pcx' | sort | uniq > test.log
15:24:18  <planetmaker> should work. At least mostly
15:24:29  <planetmaker> adapted properly
15:24:55  <planetmaker> of course it doesn't work with modified real sprite lines :)
15:25:29  <yorick> meh, my real sprites are partially heavily modified
15:25:53  <FooBar_> may I recommend not parsing the complete nfo just to figure out the pcx files? that most likely makes the makefile even slower
15:26:22  <Ammler> yorick: you could define the realsprites and use that as dependency file
15:26:40  <planetmaker> yorick, I know :)
15:26:52  <planetmaker> FooBar_, that doesn't really hurt.
15:27:02  <planetmaker> At least not the parsing.
15:27:42  <FooBar_> what is it then that it takes so long before it actually starts doing anything?
15:27:43  <yorick> but I can depend after processing
15:27:51  <planetmaker> Interestingly the makefile on my linux systems is WAY faster than on my windows.
15:28:13  <planetmaker> FooBar_, I wish I knew
15:28:40  <yorick> cat was.pnfo | sed "s/^[ \t]*//" | grep "pcx" | awk '{ print  }' | grep 'pc
15:28:43  <yorick> x' | sort | uniq
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15:32:14  * FooBar_ doesn't say goodbye as he has a bouncer now
15:32:40  <Ammler> cu FooBar_ :-)
15:32:47  <Ammler> FooBar_: you can still say good bye
15:32:50  <yorick> planetmaker: have you tried awk '/pcx { print  }'
15:32:50  <yorick> ?
15:33:22  <yorick> /pcx/*
15:33:40  <planetmaker> no
15:34:04  <planetmaker> awk isn't yet my friend :)
15:35:45  <planetmaker> he... that made it indeed a lot slower :P
15:37:01  <planetmaker> hm... I think I have to use time :)
15:37:52  <planetmaker> real    0m10.893s
15:37:52  <planetmaker> user    0m4.676s
15:37:52  <planetmaker> sys     0m1.012s
15:37:52  <planetmaker>  ^^ as is now
15:38:11  <yorick> that's slow
15:38:24  <planetmaker> real    0m10.189s
15:38:25  <planetmaker> user    0m4.620s
15:38:25  <planetmaker> sys     0m1.152s
15:38:25  <planetmaker>  ^^ as is with parsing all nfo
15:38:29  <planetmaker> so... even faster
15:39:03  <planetmaker> @calc 10.893 / 10.189
15:39:03  <Webster> planetmaker: 1.06909412111
15:40:45  <planetmaker> change pushed :)
15:41:07  <planetmaker> yorick, that's for a complete make of a newgrf. 10 seconds is fine, isn't it?
15:41:27  <yorick> I guess so
15:41:49  <Ammler> planetmaker: add a progress bar :P
15:42:03  <planetmaker> Ammler, you have it via the makefile output...
15:42:14  <Ammler> really?
15:42:17  <Ammler> how?
15:42:23  <planetmaker> well... implicitly :)
15:42:25  <Ammler> I was just joking :P
15:43:18  <yorick> hmm, it seems like awk pattern matching is indeed slower than grep
15:44:24  * planetmaker hugs Ammler 
15:44:34  * yorick hugs planetmaker
15:45:23  <planetmaker> :)
15:45:30  <yorick> ew...
15:45:30  * planetmaker hugs yorick 
15:45:56  <yorick> you're all full of ammler!
15:47:25  <planetmaker> pfft! Ammler's a nice person. No one to be "ew" about...
15:47:48  <Ammler> he, I didn't make a shower today :P
15:48:29  <planetmaker> yeah... the real male scent :P
15:49:09  <yorick> ew, swiss real male scent
15:49:34  * planetmaker thinks some people have a problem with their own self-conciousness :P
15:51:23  * yorick thinks that too
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16:12:37  <planetmaker> but not really :)
16:12:37  <planetmaker> yorick, $ works :)
16:12:37  <yorick> ah :)
16:13:59  <yorick> awk seems picky about the type of quotes used
16:15:21  <planetmaker> @calc 10.893/11.110
16:15:21  <Webster> planetmaker: 0.980468046805
16:18:00  <planetmaker> @calc 15.139/15.157
16:18:00  <Webster> planetmaker: 0.9988124299
16:18:23  <planetmaker> hm... are commits not announced anymore? :(
16:20:37  <planetmaker> Ammler, any idea about Webster's announcements? Why they're gone?
16:20:50  <planetmaker> hm... no... not webster. It was Brot?!
16:20:52  <planetmaker> where is it?
16:21:02  <planetmaker> I'm hungry! :P
16:21:15  <Ammler> @seen Brot6
16:21:15  <Webster> Ammler: Brot6 was last seen in #openttdcoop.devzone 14 hours, 47 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <Brot6> Kids, the seven basic food groups are GUM, PUFF PASTRY, PIZZA, PESTICIDES, ANTIBIOTICS, NUTRA-SWEET and MILK DUDS!!
16:21:38  <Ammler> @services op
16:21:38  *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Webster
16:21:50  <Ammler> :-)
16:21:54  <yorick> that's webster
16:21:55  <planetmaker> :)
16:21:58  <planetmaker> nice
16:22:03  <planetmaker> I shall remember that
16:22:18  <Ammler> :-)
16:22:46  <Ammler> oh, brot6 is on the server
16:22:48  <Ammler> invite him
16:23:09  <planetmaker> why did it leave?
16:23:18  <Ammler> some restart, dunno.
16:23:25  <planetmaker> planetmaker, you don't have 'basics::move::join' permissions here
16:23:31  <planetmaker> so it won't work for me :)
16:23:40  <Ammler> how did you?
16:23:49  <Ammler>  /invite Brot6
16:23:59  <planetmaker> sure
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16:24:48  <Ammler> !watch
16:24:58  <Ammler> !watch devzone
16:25:08  <Ammler> !rss watch devzone
16:25:08  <Brot6> Ammler: Already watching DevZone in #openttdcoop.devzone
16:25:25  <Ammler> !rss show devzone
16:25:25  <Brot6> Ammler: lemme fetch it...
16:25:25  <Brot6> Ammler: using old data
16:25:25  <Brot6> Ammler: Channel : #openttdcoop Development Zone: Activity
16:25:25  <Brot6> 2009/07/07 18:19 :: 2cc train set - Revision 221: Feature: Depend on the pcx files as quoted in the nfo files, slowin... @ (by planetmaker)
16:25:25  <Brot6> 2009/07/07 18:15 :: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 152: Fix (r151): use the proper variables :P. But it's 2... @ (by planetmaker)
16:25:29  <Brot6> 2009/07/07 17:40 :: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 151: Feature: Depend on the pcx files as quoted in the n... @ (by planetmaker)
16:25:33  <Brot6> 2009/07/07 17:40 :: World Airliners Set - Revision 280: don't convert the palette @ (by yorick)
16:25:37  <Brot6> 2009/07/07 17:28 :: World Airliners Set - Revision 279: Added two new MD planes DC10-30 and DC9-30 Pngs @ (by Beardie27)
16:26:10  * yorick thinks floodserv should be here
16:26:22  <Ammler> !kick yorick
16:40:41  <yorick> :)
16:45:40  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 281: Depend on pcx files @ (by yorick)
16:49:24  <FooBar_> bouncer didn't bounce...
16:49:59  <FooBar_> I had the buffer set to 0 (the default) and KeepBuffer disabled...
17:01:43  <planetmaker> Well. You were online. But obviously you still had your history set to 0.
17:01:48  <planetmaker> Well. Nothing much happend.
17:01:58  <planetmaker> I only changed the makefile to automatically depend on the pcx :)
17:02:40  <planetmaker> And I should find out what eats the makefile time :)
17:03:35  <yorick> to determine nothing to be done, it needs 6 seconds here already
17:03:49  <yorick> while that's just read from Makefile.dep
17:04:02  <planetmaker> real    0m4.333s
17:04:02  <planetmaker> user    0m3.560s
17:04:02  <planetmaker> sys     0m0.724s
17:04:02  <planetmaker>  ^^ for heqs for the same
17:04:14  <yorick> full compile
17:04:19  <yorick> real    0m8.645s
17:04:19  <yorick> user    0m0.684s
17:04:20  <yorick> sys     0m1.731s
17:06:08  <FooBar_> planetmaker: It works now... setting history to 0 did indeed not disable the limit :P
17:06:19  <planetmaker> :)
17:09:51  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Heavy Equipment Set - Revision 95: Feature: depend on pcx files and update the makefile to r1 of ... @ (by planetmaker)
17:14:49  <Ammler> planetmaker: \o/
17:14:54  <Ammler> generic makefile
17:14:54  <planetmaker> :)
17:14:59  <planetmaker> coming :)
17:15:03  <Ammler> :-)
17:17:26  <planetmaker> unfortunately this approach doesn't work for OpenGFX. At least not easily
17:18:23  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Generic NewGRF Makefile - Revision 5: Feature: depend on the pcx files automatically @ (by planetmaker)
17:18:23  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Generic NewGRF Makefile - Revision 6: Cleanup: remove now unnecessary variables from the config file @ (by planetmaker)
17:19:46  <Ammler> is there a option to just skip the dependency check?
17:19:53  <planetmaker> no
17:20:04  <planetmaker> and there cannot be.
17:20:09  <Ammler> or does it do that automatically, if you make a new compile?
17:20:22  <planetmaker> say again?
17:20:37  <Ammler> well, I will see...
17:20:55  <planetmaker> dependency is always checked. Upon each call of make
17:20:57  <Ammler> if I make a new compile after make clean
17:21:01  <planetmaker> even for test actually.
17:21:10  <planetmaker> of course, then, too
17:21:15  <Ammler> hmm
17:21:19  <Ammler> make help
17:21:22  <planetmaker> :)
17:22:15  <Ammler> you should somewhere document the targets imo.
17:22:22  <Ammler> or we :-)
17:22:52  <planetmaker> :)
17:23:12  <planetmaker> Yes, there are sufficient amount of targets that it needs documentation.
17:23:23  <planetmaker> Could go in the readme.txt, though
17:24:48  <Ammler> a text file which will be printed with make help
17:25:00  <Ammler> :-)
17:25:21  <Ammler>
17:25:32  <Ammler> or Makefile.readme
17:25:37  <planetmaker> :)
17:25:56  <planetmaker> yes, makes sense. Thoug there's a line in each Makefile: # Targets:
17:25:56  <planetmaker> # all, test, bundle, install, dev, remake
17:25:57  <Ammler> or Makefile.usage
17:26:44  <Ammler> well, it would also help people which make their own makefile
17:26:56  <Ammler> so they use same target for same purpose
17:29:45  <planetmaker> yes. Very much so. I fully agree :)
17:30:51  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 153: Feature: implement verbosity of the makefile as a c... @ (by planetmaker)
17:36:24  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 154: Fix (r152): don't port errors... port the right stu... @ (by planetmaker)
17:47:01  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 155: We have sufficient space for stupid users @ (by planetmaker)
17:54:41  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Generic NewGRF Makefile - Revision 7: Fix: @ != (V) @ (by planetmaker)
17:58:02  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 222: Feature: implement verbosity of the makefile as a config parameter.... @ (by planetmaker)
17:59:52  <FooBar_> planetmaker: pull if you're doing stuff on FIRS, otherwise you need to merge ;)
18:00:22  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 156: Doc: Expand the readme a bit. @ (by foobar)
18:02:40  <FooBar_> oh, and planetmaker: let me edit firs.pfno, as I have an uncommitted error in there at the moment...
18:02:58  <FooBar_> error != edit, but I meant the latter...
18:04:01  <Brot6> 2cctrainset: Backup push to ssh:// initiated.
18:04:10  <Brot6> firs: Backup push to ssh:// initiated.
18:04:16  <Brot6> heqs: Backup push to ssh:// initiated.
18:08:04  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Heavy Equipment Set - Revision 96: Change: use the 'usual' dir structure with a separate nfo dir @ (by planetmaker)
18:08:04  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Heavy Equipment Set - Revision 97: Change: reflect the changes of r96 also in the Makefiles and a... @ (by planetmaker)
18:08:23  <planetmaker> FooBar_, ok.
18:19:29  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Generic NewGRF Makefile - Revision 8: Doc: explain the different makefile targets and fix a small... @ (by planetmaker)
18:20:14  <planetmaker> <-- ci spree :P
18:22:36  <FooBar_> better than a killing spree...
18:22:59  <planetmaker> <-- FooBar_ please commit this then, when you're done. That needs doing. Better before you test your stuff
18:23:16  <FooBar_> I already tested my stuff :(
18:23:28  <planetmaker> won't hurt, I think. I *hope*
18:23:32  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 157: Codechange: seperate generic tiles from industry de... @ (by foobar)
18:23:32  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - fix_spaces.diff @ (by planetmaker)
18:24:01  <planetmaker> ok , then I can also commit myself :)
18:24:05  <FooBar_> But you can commit yourself now, I already committed the new firs.pnfo
18:24:30  <Ammler> :-)
18:24:46  <Ammler> a lot revisions going on...
18:24:56  <planetmaker> :)
18:25:26  <planetmaker> I really, really, really should first work on the generic newgrf-makefile, then test it on the projects, and only then commit... :S
18:25:38  <Ammler> maybe I try again my opengfx to commit :-)
18:25:57  <Ammler> planetmaker: :-)
18:26:02  <Ammler> fix the fix of the fix
18:26:19  <planetmaker> Well... rather missing things.
18:26:30  <FooBar_> which wasn't broken, as the makefile worked for me for quite some time now ;)
18:26:35  <planetmaker> fixing something, but not noticing that a similar line needs fixing
18:26:47  <planetmaker> FooBar_, just make worked fine
18:27:00  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 158: Fix: remove yet some more erronous spaces in the Ma... @ (by planetmaker)
18:27:00  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 282: Fix: sometimes makefile.dep failed @ (by yorick)
18:27:03  <planetmaker> but make bundle could be funny...
18:27:13  <FooBar_> make install and make release worked for me as well the past few days...
18:27:23  <FooBar_> ah, I never use bundle...
18:27:27  <planetmaker> or screw you, if you're an unaware Administrator :). And yes, just what I did today.
18:27:41  <Ammler> make install does use bundle, afaik
18:27:46  <planetmaker> yes
18:28:02  <planetmaker> install: bundle :)
18:28:10  <planetmaker> + a bit copy
18:36:25  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Heavy Equipment Set - Revision 95: Feature: depend on pcx files and update the makefile to r1 of ... @ (by planetmaker)
18:36:33  <planetmaker> ?
18:36:57  <FooBar_> yes, it does that sometimes...
18:37:24  <planetmaker> yes...
18:39:13  * planetmaker thinks of making opengfx makefile 'simple' as in adding 6 targets explicitly with the respective names...
18:39:28  <planetmaker> it would solve all dependency checks then easily
18:39:45  <planetmaker> and I should look at make depend
18:41:51  <planetmaker> catch you later... Dinner now
18:42:47  <Ammler> he
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18:49:24  <Beardie> Hi everyone
18:49:33  <yorick> Hi Beardie!
18:49:57  <Beardie> Hello
18:50:01  <yorick> Hello
18:50:02  <Beardie> Chatzilla works then :)
18:50:08  <FooBar_> hi there
18:50:15  <Beardie> Hello
18:50:25  <Beardie> just checking if chatzilla works :)
18:50:34  <FooBar_> why wouldn't it?
18:50:45  <Beardie> i don't know, i have justed installed it
18:50:49  <Beardie> just*
18:50:52  <FooBar_> I'm using it ever since I started being on irc :)
18:50:58  <FooBar_> what you used previously?
18:51:10  <Beardie> java app on the tt-forum site, though that is down
18:51:37  <FooBar_> ah ok. I think chatzilla is much more comfortable then.
18:51:47  <Beardie> it is
18:51:55  <yorick> Beardie: does it flash?
18:52:05  <Beardie> it does
18:52:06  <yorick> k
18:52:09  <Beardie> like a MSN window
18:52:11  <FooBar_> As you can close your browser without problems
18:52:22  <Beardie> i know :)
18:52:30  * yorick uses Irssi
18:52:30  <FooBar_> yorick: it does even play the "ding" sound :)
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18:52:35  <Beardie> i use google Chrome as my defauly though
18:52:37  <yorick> it only plays the ding sound here ;)
18:52:43  <yorick> no flashy
18:53:13  <andythenorth_> grr where are the forums?
18:53:16  <FooBar_> well, better than noting :P
18:53:25  <Beardie> down andy
18:53:29  <yorick> the forums are at #tycoon
18:53:31  <yorick> :D
18:53:35  <Beardie> lol
18:53:36  <FooBar_> andythenorth_: not around, has been like this all day
18:54:05  <FooBar_> I had to amuse myself today by getting a bouncer :)
18:54:41  <Beardie> getting a bouncer?
18:55:11  <FooBar_> yes, a thing that saves the IRC messages for me while I'm offline
18:55:18  <planetmaker> [Edit] [Delete] 	andythenorth 	0 	-N/A- 	andythenorth <-- you exist with the bouncer, too, andythenorth_ ...
18:55:34  * planetmaker wonders why you don't use it :)
18:55:38  <yorick> andythenorth_: that would be nicer too look at than the constant joins
18:55:42  <yorick> and leaves
18:55:42  <andythenorth_> I can't get it working
18:56:00  <planetmaker> hm... define "can't get it working"
18:56:03  <FooBar_> andythenorth_: ofcourse you can. I got it working...
18:56:12  <Beardie> The Rain is here
18:56:14  <yorick> if he gets it working, then you can!
18:56:17  <andythenorth_> I didn't get 'it' working when I tried
18:56:51  <andythenorth_> It being specifically: colloquy IRC client for mac + the bouncer Ammler gave me
18:56:58  * Beardie stares at much rain and wonders if thunder will come and if sun will ever come back
18:57:08  * yorick hopes not
18:57:17  <FooBar_> ammler and pm guided me through the process very nicely. I think they can do the same for you
18:57:19  <planetmaker> Beardie, hopeless. The sun is here :)
18:57:31  <Beardie> not good
18:57:33  <planetmaker> FooBar_, honestly, you were quite easy with that
18:57:41  <yorick> hmm, how did I get to a wikipedia "File Sharing and the law" page
18:57:42  <yorick> "
18:57:42  <Beardie> here dark clouds in every direction
18:57:44  <FooBar_> was I?
18:58:01  <planetmaker> like "here's the link, use that login - waiting - no, use SSL - waiting - 'I'M IN!'" :P
18:58:12  <FooBar_> I mean, yes I was :)
18:58:35  * Ammler prefers as web irc client
18:58:37  * Beardie can't wait for his holiday in Switzerland where the sun is and wonders if he will run into Ammler
18:58:59  * FooBar_ wants to write in italics as well
18:59:21  <Ammler> [20:56] <FooBar_> andythenorth_: ofcourse you can. I got it working... <-- yes, now everyone should be able to ;)
18:59:22  <FooBar_> or "also", whichever you prefer
18:59:35  <FooBar_> Ammler: yes
18:59:40  * planetmaker just adds his italics...
18:59:52  <Ammler> no sun here :P
18:59:56  <Beardie> shame
19:00:05  <yorick> Beardie: beware of the ammlers
19:00:07  <Beardie> i hope there is when i com on the 18th
19:00:10  <Beardie> lol
19:00:15  <FooBar_> Ammler: ofcourse not, the sun is with planetmakr at the moment :P
19:00:29  <Beardie> If you don;t mind me asking Ammler where in Swiss do you live?
19:00:40  <planetmaker> Beardie, the name is the programme :)
19:00:41  <Ammler> might be, maybe he needs it for new planet
19:00:50  <planetmaker> Ammler, sure I do!
19:00:52  <Ammler> Beardie: Amden
19:00:53  <FooBar_> do a whois on and you'll know
19:01:07  <Ammler> indeed ^
19:01:12  <yorick> so that's how he got the name
19:01:18  <FooBar_> at least that's what I did :P
19:01:19  <planetmaker> hehe. But the telephone number is not unambigeously
19:01:27  <FooBar_> anyways, I'll be watching tv now, bye!
19:01:31  <yorick> CH-8873 Amden
19:01:38  <yorick> Schwendistrasse 7
19:01:38  <Ammler> planetmaker: I drive a Taxi :P
19:01:42  <Beardie> i'll be on holiday near Geneva no where near Ammler
19:02:02  <yorick> googlec53b77d76fd89020
19:02:09  <andythenorth_> ok, no forums, lets try this bouncer business again...
19:02:12  <Ammler> Beardie: that is around 6 hours apart
19:02:12  <planetmaker> or you live with some other relatives whom the telephone landline belongs to :)
19:02:20  <Ammler> like on the other side of my country
19:02:26  <andythenorth_>
19:02:28  <andythenorth_> ??
19:02:31  <andythenorth_> using ssl
19:02:32  <andythenorth_> ??
19:02:41  <Ammler> andythenorth_: use
19:02:48  <Ammler> hmm
19:02:57  <Ammler> dunno, if I already changed the certs
19:03:11  <yorick>  Registrar:, Inc. (R91-LROR)
19:03:25  <Ammler> my domain?
19:03:26  <Beardie> quick question why do FooBar_ and andythenorth_ have underscores at the end of their names?
19:03:29  <Ammler>
19:03:31  <yorick> Ammler:
19:03:38  <yorick> Beardie: because they want to
19:03:40  <Ammler> or
19:03:58  <Beardie> ok
19:04:00  <Ammler> Beardie: that is level 1
19:04:00  <Beardie> lol
19:04:07  <Ammler> you are still on level 0
19:04:15  <Beardie> level 1???
19:04:16  <andythenorth_> ahem, so many domains.  How about one person just helps me sort this out?  Perhaps by private?
19:04:23  <Ammler> I guess, or higher
19:04:26  <yorick> Beardie: they like confusing people
19:04:31  <Beardie> ok lol
19:04:39  <yorick> or maybe not...
19:04:47  <yorick> Barbie!
19:05:11  <Ammler> andy, feel free to query me
19:05:15  <andythenorth_> this is only slightly less inane than #tycoon :(
19:05:21  <yorick> andythenorth_: it is :(
19:05:29  <andythenorth_> signal-vs-noise is high today
19:05:36  <yorick> andythenorth_: piece of cat-cake!
19:06:03  <Ammler> FooBar_: I bet, tomorrow, your "_" is gone
19:06:07  <yorick> don't be confused, I won't explain it!
19:06:30  <Ammler> with a bouncer, you can very easy fetch your favorite nick :-)
19:06:58  <yorick> andythenorth_: unless exactly!
19:07:26  <yorick> WITH!!!!! 3 _s
19:07:29  <Beardie> i was lost at when foobar siad he was getting a bouncer
19:08:15  <yorick> Beardie: be not afraid, foobar took a shower this morning, I hope
19:08:30  <Beardie> lol
19:10:48  * yorick brb
19:11:23  *** andythenorth_ has quit IRC
19:11:39  <Ammler> hmm
19:12:25  * yorick got himself an oudhollandse stroopwafel
19:12:39  <Ammler> planetmaker: do you know the irc client from andy
19:12:41  <Ammler> ?
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19:13:38  * Beardie wonders how he just dropped a 5p coin into his bin
19:14:00  <andythenorth_> maybe I need a better chat client.  planetmaker what do you use?
19:15:06  <Beardie> i just started to use Chatzilla like five minutes ago
19:15:57  <Ammler> planetmaker: uses xchat and chatzilla
19:16:17  <Beardie> why both?
19:16:19  <Ammler>  /version planetmaker
19:16:29  <Ammler> ups
19:16:48  <yorick> xchat linux
19:16:53  <yorick> chatzilla mac?
19:16:58  <Ammler> I guess
19:17:05  <Ammler> or xhat too, now
19:17:07  <planetmaker> Chatzilla on mac
19:17:08  <planetmaker> xchat on linux
19:17:10  <planetmaker> currently both should be active :P
19:17:11  <Beardie> makes more sense now :)
19:17:13  <yorick> ^^
19:17:13  <planetmaker> xchat runs 24/7 :)
19:17:16  <planetmaker> [21:14]	<planetmaker>	Chatzilla on mac
19:17:18  <planetmaker> not yet, Ammler. Unfortunately
19:17:37  <yorick> xchat - paid open-source
19:17:46  <planetmaker> xchat is nicer. But the older mac xchat I have has problems with another concurrent client
19:17:47  <Ammler> on windows :P
19:17:57  <planetmaker> and there's no newer one.
19:18:22  <planetmaker> Compilation is anything but easy as the list of dependencies is endless and cannot be fulfilled automatically by macports
19:18:36  <planetmaker> I gave up after the 3rd manual need to fix things
19:18:40  <Ammler> I would like xchat too, but it isn't that nice integrated in KDE
19:18:41  <andythenorth_> bah chatzilla means I have to run Firefox.  That's a big no no
19:18:45  <planetmaker> without any light at the end of the tunnel
19:18:52  <Ammler> i.e. no copy&paste with middle mouse
19:19:02  <planetmaker> Ammler: could be better, yes
19:19:03  <Beardie> you can turn firefox of andy and leave the chat open
19:19:16  <planetmaker> andythenorth_: :) yes, that's the big backdraw.
19:19:17  <Beardie> off*
19:19:22  <planetmaker> But it's my default browser... so
19:19:29  <yorick> what's with the firefox-haters
19:19:36  <yorick> firefox is the best thing since netscape!
19:19:49  <Ammler> I would run opera, but
19:19:51  <planetmaker> doesn't mean much, eh?
19:19:55  <Ammler> it has no gears support
19:20:09  <andythenorth_> firefox is a lame browser.  But it's a great web dev environment (with firebug)
19:20:16  <planetmaker> eh?
19:20:25  <planetmaker> why is it lame, honestly?
19:20:44  <andythenorth_> subjective matters of taste
19:20:45  <andythenorth_> slow
19:20:46  <Beardie> yorick: i am 500 clicks off pulsing lol, wish me good luck
19:20:49  <andythenorth_> hate the awesome bar
19:20:57  <andythenorth_> it's always bothering me for updates to plugins
19:21:19  <andythenorth_> gui occasionally weird
19:21:41  <andythenorth_> I prefer camino, same blindingly fast rendering engine, better mac gui
19:21:55  <andythenorth_> but now safari 4 is out...spanks most other browsers
19:22:01  <yorick> awesome bar is great, it's fast, too, and the alternative is no updates :D
19:22:10  <andythenorth_> meh
19:22:27  <andythenorth_> however firebug = work of genius
19:22:31  <yorick> and I don't like the way new browsers add the tab bar to their windows
19:22:59  <planetmaker> <-- if it comes to speed, you should use Safari, andythenorth_ :)
19:23:01  <Webster> Title: Browser Performance Comparisons (at
19:23:32  <andythenorth_> safari 4 is faster again.  safari 3 was a bit of a dog
19:23:45  <Beardie> and where is chrome on that link?
19:23:51  <yorick> planetmaker: where in that test is firefox 3.5
19:23:54  <yorick> and chrome
19:24:01  <planetmaker> then camino is as lame as firfox, if it comes to speed according to other comparisons (but older)
19:24:16  <yorick> those comparisons are a bit too old...
19:24:46  <andythenorth_> Firefox renders quick, but is slow to use.  If that makes no sense, don't worry about it.  If I used FF for months on end, I'd get used to it :)
19:24:54  <yorick>
19:25:03  <andythenorth_> also, using firefox for web dev means things like: sometimes turning off javascript, cache, etc.  And constantly clearing cache as well.
19:25:14  <andythenorth_> which makes browsing a bit of a crap experience
19:25:24  <andythenorth_> err back on topic?
19:25:40  <planetmaker> yorick: that's an image w/o explanation :)
19:25:57  <planetmaker> andythenorth_: good idea :)
19:26:24  <andythenorth_> so I can't be bothered to change IRC client :D
19:26:29  <andythenorth_> so no bouncer for me
19:26:35  <planetmaker> ?
19:26:49  <planetmaker> that reasoning still doesn't hold for me :)
19:27:01  <yorick> also, V8 benchmarks aren't fair
19:27:05  <andythenorth_> colloquy has a crap interface for adding new connections, the console is lame, and it's been a full day of work
19:27:30  * Beardie will be back later he has some things to do before he watches Torchwood: Children of the Earth on BBC1
19:27:36  <andythenorth_> so maybe I should draw something instead
19:27:49  <planetmaker> andythenorth_: I think I used it before, too...
19:28:11  <planetmaker> but I found it too much hassle and dropped it back when I was still using chatzilla on both computers
19:28:32  <planetmaker> yes, I used it
19:30:21  <yorick>
19:30:24  <Webster> Title: Web Browser Memory Usage Benchmark Gets It All Wrong (at
19:34:41  <yorick> about:robots :)
19:52:54  <andythenorth_> yay forums
19:59:42  <andythenorth_> GPL...if I recreate something from TTD original, then modify it, how wrong on a scale of 0-10
19:59:42  <andythenorth_> ?
20:07:38  <FooBar_> andythenorth_: 8, with 10 being worst
20:08:51  <FooBar_> tt-forums is back!
20:09:36  <FooBar_> the downside is that there aren't much replies...
20:10:21  * FooBar_ expects dalestan explaining about much and many...
20:42:25  <andythenorth_>
20:42:27  <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums View topic - FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Development (at
20:42:54  <Ammler> tt-forums up again?
20:43:38  <FooBar_> yes, for an hour now I think
20:44:18  <Ammler> andythenorth_: I agree with you
20:44:24  <Ammler> Firefox sucks
20:44:32  <Ammler> specially the certificate management
20:44:58  <FooBar_> yes, that sucks indeed. I coudn't find where to manage exceptions
20:45:02  <Ammler> you need to push around 20 times until you can visit a page with selfsigned certs
20:45:15  <Ammler> you can't
20:45:18  <Ammler> I asked
20:45:20  <FooBar_> And any gui is a bad gui if I need to RTFM to find what I'm looking for...
20:45:36  <FooBar_> oh, nevermind the gui then :P
20:46:12  <Ammler> well, I asked at #firefox, how to workaround the bug
20:46:18  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 159: Change: updated graphics for foundry.psd @ (by andythenorth)
20:46:18  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #313: special industry flags @ (by foobar)
20:46:21  <Ammler> they sad, it isn't a bug ;-)
20:46:41  <FooBar_> I mostly use IE and Fx at the same time ever since I started using IRC. I'm still undecided which one is better.
20:47:12  <FooBar_> Fx still hasn't offered to update to 3.5, which I find a bit odd...
20:47:40  <FooBar_> Maybe they consider it an /upgrade/ rather than an /update/, but then I don't agree with the versioning scheme...
20:48:39  <Ammler> meh, I am already at 3.5
20:48:51  <Ammler> and now, some nice plugins don't work anymore :-(
20:49:07  <Ammler> I would like to use opera
20:49:24  <Ammler> but I need this damns gmail
20:50:56  <yorick> Ammler: I'm already at 20090706042748 ;)
20:50:59  <FooBar_> did it offer you 3.5 or did you download that yourself?
20:51:17  <Ammler> no to both :-)
20:51:23  <Ammler> FooBar_: I use linux :P
20:51:32  <FooBar_> oh nevermind then...
20:51:37  <Ammler> zypper up and my system is up2date
20:51:39  <Ammler> not just the os
20:51:59  <FooBar_> then /it/ didn't offer the update, but your package manager did :P
20:52:16  <Ammler> yep
20:52:42  <Ammler> ff can't update itslef
20:52:45  <Ammler> no access
21:00:56  <Beardie> yorick you there?
21:01:05  <yorick> I am
21:01:12  <Beardie> my token didn'y come up invalid thank god
21:01:22  <Beardie> pulsed fine hehe
21:01:50  <yorick> heh
21:02:12  <Beardie> had myself worried though
21:02:27  <yorick> no, I had you worried ;)
21:02:46  <Beardie> yeah more true
21:03:19  <Beardie> bacjk tp plusing every 5,000 keys
21:03:23  <Beardie> back to*
21:03:36  <yorick> hah, my avkps is still higher!
21:06:10  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #298: parameters @ (by andythenorth)
21:10:29  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Feature #96: Sprites 4462:4465 (4) - Arctic church @ (by Gen.Sniper)
21:20:08  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Feature #96: Sprites 4462:4465 (4) - Arctic church @ (by Ammler)
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21:37:00  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Feature #96: Sprites 4462:4465 (4) - Arctic church @ (by Ammler)
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21:59:18  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 283: Updated 00header added capital letters to the title of GRF @ (by Beardie27)
22:04:03  <Brot6> firs: Backup push to ssh:// initiated.
22:04:10  <Brot6> heqs: Backup push to ssh:// initiated.
22:18:42  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 160: Feature: Glass Works @ (by foobar)
22:32:17  <FooBar_> I added an ugly to the nightly repo. Just so you know: I couldn't be bothered to hg up tip just because of an uncommitted change in makefile.config...
22:33:35  <FooBar_> anyways, goodnight all!
22:49:33  <Ammler> good night FooBar_
22:49:46  <Ammler> :-)

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