Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 23rd July 2009:
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10:27:46  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine for Mercurial - Feature #342: Save SSH public keys with account settings @ (by Ammler)
10:30:32  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine for Mercurial - Feature #343: Strip a changeset @ (by Ammler)
10:33:56  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine for Mercurial - Feature #342: Integration with mercurial-server @ (by Ammler)
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11:12:51  <Ammler> XeryusTC: you didn't push your source to a VCS yet, did you?
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11:19:33  <planetmaker> <-- Ammler the image posted there in the initial posting is the proprietary TTD image, right?
11:20:23  <planetmaker> If not, I'd re-use the construction stage :-P
11:20:52  <Ammler> yes, it is the original ttd sprite
11:21:00  <planetmaker> ok. Thanks :-)
11:21:01  <Ammler> don't use it.
11:21:22  <planetmaker> I guess I'll add the sprites 4616-4619 then hopefully before the weekend.
11:21:50  <Ammler> you code the houses?
11:22:05  <planetmaker> well. I haven't assigned anything to me. On good reason
11:22:06  <planetmaker> :-)
11:22:28  <planetmaker> Is BA's house actually done?
11:22:43  <Ammler> BA's?
11:22:48  <planetmaker> Born Acorn's
11:23:01  <planetmaker> the other missing tropical house is assigned to him
11:23:02  <Ammler> hmm, you mean the other tropic tower?
11:23:06  <planetmaker> yup
11:23:20  <Ammler> he once posted a draft
11:23:34  <planetmaker> yeah. But clearly marked it a draft :-)
11:23:39  <planetmaker> Should we add it despite?
11:23:39  <Ammler> maybe he needs feedback to proceed there ;-)
11:23:49  <planetmaker> Might be.
11:24:06  <planetmaker> Though later he already posted signals and some maglev wagons
11:24:12  <planetmaker> Do you take on the wagons?
11:24:33  <planetmaker> Though... they're not 100% done either, are they?
11:24:47  <Ammler> where do you have those sprites from?
11:25:02  <Ammler> #104
11:26:38  <planetmaker> he sent them to me via forum mail
11:26:40  <planetmaker> dunno why
11:27:07  <planetmaker> he didn't post them
11:35:26  <Ammler> please add things, you would like in the redmine here:
11:39:30  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine for Mercurial - Feature #343: Strip a changeset @ (by Ammler)
11:49:34  <planetmaker> ok :-)
12:11:47  <XeryusTC> Ammler> XeryusTC: you didn't push your source to a VCS yet, did you? <- nope
12:12:46  <Ammler> will you?
12:12:56  <Ammler> or better "you should"
12:13:06  <XeryusTC> indeed i should :P
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13:12:25  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: #openttdcoop - Revision 21: [DLlog] initial commit of version 1.3 @ (by Ammler)
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13:43:23  <XeryusTC> Ammler: cant you help me set up source control?
13:43:56  <Ammler> depense what you want
13:44:25  <XeryusTC> well, preferably just some svn that redmine keeps track of
13:45:26  <Ammler> then use our svn server
13:46:40  <XeryusTC> well, i have no clue how to setup everything properly :P
13:54:10  <Ammler> you won't use hg?
13:55:56  <Ammler> hg would just be so easy :-)
13:56:09  <Ammler> hg run hg init on your folder
13:56:23  <Ammler> hg add everything you want in th repo
13:58:40  <Ammler> hg ci -m "initial commit"
13:59:32  <Ammler> hg clone . ssh://
14:02:22  <planetmaker> use hg :-)
14:02:37  <planetmaker> people here know how to handle it :-)
14:07:48  <XeryusTC> is there any decent win hg client then?
14:08:45  <planetmaker> tortoiseHG
14:10:54  <XeryusTC> hmm, cool
14:16:04  <XeryusTC> uhm
14:16:19  <XeryusTC> cloning to ssh isn't supported by TortoiseHg :o
14:16:52  <planetmaker> there are a range of win users using it.
14:17:03  <planetmaker> with out server.
14:17:11  <planetmaker> just follow the usual instructions
14:18:40  <XeryusTC> oh putty is complaining about unavailable authentication methods
14:19:03  <planetmaker> is your key on the dev server?
14:19:10  <XeryusTC> hg clone . ssh://
14:19:17  <XeryusTC> my public key is
14:19:25  <planetmaker> yes. And you need to have your public key installed there
14:19:27  <XeryusTC> as i am normally able to ssh into there
14:19:38  <planetmaker> the mz zone server actually
14:19:51  <planetmaker> you should, I guess
14:20:13  <planetmaker> can you ssh to the server?
14:20:32  <XeryusTC> yes
14:20:39  <XeryusTC> i am currently accessing it via sftp
14:28:41  <Ammler> XeryusTC: use pagent
14:29:08  <Ammler> or follow the online guides
14:29:35  <Ammler>
14:32:21  <XeryusTC> hmm, that works
14:33:03  <XeryusTC> but how to tie the commit i just made to the ladder project?
14:33:43  <Ammler> hg ci
14:34:01  <XeryusTC> i just committed
14:34:20  <Ammler> first, you need to clone to our server
14:34:25  <Ammler> then you can push
14:34:28  <XeryusTC> i just did that
14:34:33  <Ammler> where?
14:34:42  <XeryusTC> hg clone . ssh://
14:34:44  <XeryusTC> i just did that
14:34:49  <Ammler> oh
14:34:58  <Ammler> that isn't good :-)
14:35:07  <XeryusTC> d'oh, you just told me to do that
14:35:16  <Ammler> indeed, sorry
14:35:27  <Ammler> you need to add the name of your repo
14:35:38  <Ammler> should be equal to your project identifier
14:36:02  <XeryusTC> hmm, ok
14:36:35  <XeryusTC> so, after i did that
14:36:45  <Ammler> hg clone . ssh://<project>
14:36:52  <XeryusTC> yeah
14:36:55  <XeryusTC> i just did that ;)
14:37:25  <Ammler> ok
14:37:30  <Ammler> now, you can push
14:37:40  <XeryusTC> hmm
14:37:46  <XeryusTC> no need to setup stuff at redmine?
14:38:38  <Ammler> yes
14:39:22  <XeryusTC> is that a "yes, you need to setup stuff at redmine", or "yes, no need"?
14:39:23  <Ammler> you need to define the full path
14:39:37  * Ammler has added that
14:39:52  <Ammler> now, your revision history will be there with next push
14:40:55  <XeryusTC> oh bah
14:41:10  <XeryusTC> i can't change the directory anymore
14:42:05  <planetmaker> of course you can
14:43:38  <XeryusTC> well according to the disabledness of the field i cant
14:44:24  <planetmaker> sure. New project ;-P
14:44:51  <planetmaker> Or rather: delete the server-side repo
14:44:53  <planetmaker> And make it new
14:44:56  <Ammler> what do you like change?
14:46:00  <XeryusTC> ah well, lets see if it works now
14:47:34  <XeryusTC> hmm, it doesn't show that i pushed yet :o
14:47:37  <XeryusTC> le slow xD
14:49:31  <Ammler> yes, I still pull rss
14:49:37  <Ammler> so it might need at max 3 mins
14:50:06  <XeryusTC> hmm, i dont think that the redmine site got it :o
14:50:52  <Ammler> why did you change the path I fixed?
14:51:14  <Ammler> [16:39] <Ammler> you need to define the full path
14:51:15  <Ammler> [16:39] * Ammler has added that
14:51:25  <Ammler> and now, it is a url
14:51:26  <XeryusTC> yes, i have :P
14:51:29  <XeryusTC> yes, it is :P
14:51:31  <XeryusTC> i dont care :P
14:51:32  <Ammler> mercurial can't read from urls
14:51:40  <Ammler> that is big difference to svn
14:51:47  <XeryusTC> well, like that then? :P
14:53:19  <XeryusTC> Ammler:  hg-repos/coopetition-ladder should be it then
14:53:23  <XeryusTC> ?
14:53:54  <Ammler> no
14:53:59  <Ammler> I fixed it again
14:54:03  <Ammler> just check it now :-)
14:54:20  <XeryusTC> oh d'oh
14:54:56  <XeryusTC> and now to tell the server to use the stuff from hg :P
14:55:21  <XeryusTC> oh dinner time :P
14:55:51  <Ammler> XeryusTC: I would suggest a simple symlink
14:57:24  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Coopetition ladder - Revision 0: Initial commit @ (by XeryusTC)
14:57:24  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Coopetition ladder - Revision 1: Removed a useless line :P @ (by XeryusTC)
15:05:17  <XeryusTC> oh wewt :)
15:05:46  <Ammler> is that exactly the same as the server?
15:05:55  <Ammler> where do you save the config?
15:06:14  <XeryusTC> config is in database.php :P
15:07:57  <Ammler> you should have a unversioned file for that
15:08:12  <Ammler> I hope, that isn't the real pw there
15:08:12  <XeryusTC> true
15:08:19  <XeryusTC> but i still need to work on setup stuff anyway
15:08:36  <XeryusTC> btw, getting stuff from hg is hg clone <source> <dest>
15:08:40  <XeryusTC> en then hg pull
15:08:44  <XeryusTC> ?
15:09:00  <Ammler> if once cloned, the url is saved
15:09:09  <Ammler> then you cna just pull
15:09:12  <Ammler> like svn
15:09:21  <Ammler> and you need to update
15:09:33  <Ammler> so "hg pull -u" is like svn up
15:10:26  <XeryusTC> ~/public_html> hg pull ~/hg-repos/coopetition-ladder/ ladder/
15:10:39  <Ammler> if you share the work with others, you should hg pull -u always before hg ci
15:10:42  <XeryusTC> should make the current ladder site hg, shouldn't it
15:10:47  <Ammler> and push right after
15:10:57  <Ammler> hmm
15:11:07  <Ammler> we could just symlink to the repo
15:11:14  <Ammler> but well, fine with me
15:11:40  <XeryusTC> hmm, maybe that is easier :o
15:11:47  <XeryusTC> but i have no clue how to set up symlinks xD
15:11:49  <Ammler> yes, it should, but clone doesn't work in a existing folder
15:12:11  <Ammler> is the database.php the only file which differs from the repo?
15:12:36  <XeryusTC> nope, it is the same over here as on the server
15:13:31  <Ammler> he?
15:13:46  <Ammler> so you have published the database pw to the public?
15:14:13  <XeryusTC> hmm, somewhat indeed xD
15:15:20  <Ammler> :-)
15:15:36  <Ammler> then, I setup the symlink
15:15:39  <XeryusTC> oh
15:15:43  <Ammler> and we change the pw after that
15:15:43  <XeryusTC> i just setup a symlink :P
15:15:47  <Ammler> ah ok
15:15:55  <XeryusTC> but yes, i'll go edit my code
15:15:55  <Ammler> hmm
15:17:15  <Ammler> and please use a bit more complex pw, not so trivial :P
15:17:35  <Ammler> since we discussed the md5 issue ;-)
15:19:14  <XeryusTC> ah well :P
15:24:57  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Coopetition ladder - Revision 2: Added the sql file for creating the database and the necessary t... @ (by XeryusTC)
15:24:57  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Coopetition ladder - Revision 3: Fixed some security issues concerning databases ;) @ (by XeryusTC)
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15:27:42  <XeryusTC> ah well, it's all been fixed before i have to go to work :o
15:28:35  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Coopetition ladder - Revision 4: When you fix a security issue you should actually fix it. @ (by XeryusTC)
15:31:04  <XeryusTC> on that note, i'm actually off to work
15:31:15  <ODM> now?:P
15:31:56  <Ammler> XeryusTC: still, you should change the pw anyway
15:32:04  <Ammler> did you?
15:32:19  <Ammler> as the history will still keep it
15:33:36  <Ammler> well, I change it then.
15:41:01  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Coopetition ladder - Revision 5: Cleanup: ignore config.php @ (by Ammler)
16:18:01  <Brot6> 2cctrainset: nightly compile not needed. (r225)
16:18:01  <Brot6> firs: nightly compile not needed. (r185)
16:18:02  <Brot6> heqs: nightly compile not needed. (r134)
16:18:02  <Brot6> opengfx: nightly compile not needed. (r144)
16:18:02  <Brot6> worldairlineset: nightly compile not needed. (r366)
16:19:10  <planetmaker> booooring
16:19:12  <Ammler> :-(
16:19:23  <Ammler> 2nd day
16:19:29  <planetmaker> yup :s
16:19:41  <planetmaker> all slackers here
16:20:24  <planetmaker> well. There are new OpenGFX graphics. They need coding though
16:20:27  <Ammler> seems so, on that bad summer
16:20:37  <planetmaker> Both, the tropical hous(es) and the toyland building stages
16:20:57  <planetmaker> and the new maglev wagons...
16:21:37  <Ammler> hmm, the mail waggon, I could code that
16:22:05  <planetmaker> :-)
16:22:35  <Ammler> would you use it for goods too?
16:22:44  <planetmaker> hm...
16:22:54  <planetmaker> I think not
16:23:09  <planetmaker> All the same for valuables, mail and goods is a bit boring, is it?
16:23:24  <planetmaker> But... for the time being - if it looks better than the old - why not?
16:29:16  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Feature #102 (Reopened): Sprites 2981-3016 (36) - monolev engines @ (by Ammler)
16:30:03  <Ammler> IMO, it is fine for mail only
16:30:18  <Ammler> as that is what you combine
16:30:44  <Ammler> well, and valuables
16:35:52  <planetmaker> yep. My thinking
16:54:54  <Ammler>
16:54:56  <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums View topic - New Graphics - Blender ".blend" thread (at
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18:07:42  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Bug #331: Width of the letter 'x' @ (by planetmaker)
18:18:18  <Ammler> 722 72 01 13 9 0 -1
18:18:32  <Ammler> 786 88 01 9 8 0 1
18:18:36  <Ammler> quite much bigger
18:19:16  <planetmaker> 4 in y and 1 in x
18:19:58  <Ammler> did they do that to make it different?
18:20:07  <planetmaker> dunno
18:20:08  <Ammler> imo, we should just use the same X
18:36:18  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Revision 145: Fix #331: reduced the close-x 1px right and bottom to keep it square. @ (by Ammler)
18:36:18  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Bug #331 (Closed): Width of the letter 'x' @ (by Ammler)
18:36:32  <Ammler> ah, forgot the "["
18:37:57  <Ammler> hmm, planetmaker, does that need a bugfix release? 0.5.1?
18:38:15  <planetmaker> hm...
18:38:19  <Ammler> :-)
18:38:26  <planetmaker> Let me eat and add one house :-)
18:38:37  <planetmaker> You could already prepare the rest for a release :-)
18:38:45  <planetmaker> Though... can we upload to bananas?
18:38:50  <Ammler> hmm
18:38:55  <Ammler> :-)
18:38:58  <Ammler> we can ask rubi
18:39:44  <Ammler> or aks FooBar_, he seems to be online from time to time
18:43:05  <Ammler> opengfx has again the nicer X :-)
18:44:59  <planetmaker> :-)
18:45:01  <planetmaker> nice
18:49:24  <Ammler> I guess, it is fine, we keep with nightly
18:49:50  <Ammler> and just announce it in the release thread, so if someone like the fix, he can download the nightly tomorrow.
18:50:22  <planetmaker> hm. yeah. We could go with alpha6 soon, when tropical is fixed
18:51:03  <Ammler> on the other side, we should be able to make release without Foobar
18:58:00  <Ammler> I run the compile farm manually, so we can announce it and post on the FS
18:58:22  <Brot6> 2cctrainset: nightly compile not needed. (r225)
18:58:22  <Brot6> firs: nightly compile not needed. (r185)
18:58:22  <Brot6> heqs: nightly compile not needed. (r134)
18:58:23  <Brot6> opengfx: update from r144 to r145, starting nightly compile
18:59:09  <Brot6> opengfx: compile done (1 errors) -
18:59:09  <Brot6> worldairlineset: nightly compile not needed. (r366)
19:06:44  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Bug #331: Width of the letter 'x' @ (by planetmaker)
20:23:33  * XeryusTC pokes ammler
20:23:52  <Ammler> pong
20:24:17  <XeryusTC> how bad did you change information about the database stuff on the ladder site?
20:24:34  <Ammler> :-)
20:24:42  <ODM> ping!
20:25:16  <XeryusTC> Access denied for user 'wwwrun'@'localhost' (using password: NO)
20:25:35  <Ammler> well, wwwrun?
20:25:41  <XeryusTC> yes
20:25:57  <Ammler> why should wwwrun access the db?
20:26:38  <XeryusTC> i dont know
20:27:50  <Ammler> the only thing, I changed was the pw
20:28:01  <Ammler> I guess, that error isn't related to that.
20:30:59  <XeryusTC> hmm
20:31:09  <XeryusTC> is the password the same now then?
20:31:20  <XeryusTC> in config.php
20:31:31  <XeryusTC> Warning: mysql_pconnect(): Access denied for user 'ladder'@'localhost' (using password: YES) in /home/ottdc/hg-repos/coopetition-ladder/database.php on line 8
20:31:54  <XeryusTC> Access denied for user 'wwwrun'@'localhost' (using password: NO)
20:31:59  <XeryusTC> although i'm also getting that
20:32:07  <XeryusTC> <- see for yourself ;)
20:35:58  <Ammler> [Thu Jul 23 22:30:39 2009] [error] [client] PHP Warning:  mysql_pconnect(): Access denied for user 'ladder'@'localhost' (using password: YES) in /home/ottdc/hg-repos/coopetition-ladder/database.php on line 8, referer:
20:36:49  <Ammler> XeryusTC: did you test the new pw?
20:37:19  <XeryusTC> you change it
20:37:22  <XeryusTC> +d
20:37:28  <XeryusTC> you should've tested it
20:38:40  <XeryusTC> LqbK5n4wrhzUhGX7
20:38:44  <XeryusTC> is what the password should be
20:39:47  <XeryusTC> seems like the password didnt got changed afterall :P
20:40:28  <Ammler> mäh
20:40:50  <Ammler> you think, it is clever to post the pw on public channel?
20:40:51  <XeryusTC> and now it has :P
20:41:11  <XeryusTC> no one that would do harm with it is here ;)
20:41:29  <Ammler> hmm, there is a log :P
20:41:36  <XeryusTC> go edit it ;)
20:41:42  <Ammler> no access
20:41:56  <Ammler> and it is for sure easier to change the pw again :P
20:42:36  <XeryusTC> well, not if it is going the same way as you did it last time ;)
20:52:57  <Ammler> XeryusTC: did you change it?
20:53:14  <XeryusTC> nope
20:53:29  <XeryusTC> maybe we should change it to the ghostly password
20:53:34  <XeryusTC> with a new suffix
20:53:45  <Ammler> ghstly?
20:54:24  <Ammler> go to phpmyadmin, click to change password
20:54:33  <Ammler> then "generate"
20:55:04  <XeryusTC> yes, but the ghostly one is easier to remember :P
20:55:28  <Ammler> why do you need to remember?
20:56:27  <XeryusTC> because i find it useful :P
20:56:31  <XeryusTC> but well, it's changed now
20:56:41  <planetmaker> ... XeryusTC the way you spam this channel with passwords, I'd rather have a random password.
20:57:08  <planetmaker> and not one of those which I would like to be able to remember and forget in case of disclosure
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21:04:24  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Coopetition ladder - Revision 6: Updated registration, login and account editing to be more jQuery-y @ (by XeryusTC)
21:50:48  <Ammler> XeryusTC: it doesn't automatically update on the server side
21:51:02  <XeryusTC> it doesn't?
21:51:10  <Ammler> if you wan't that, you need to install a hook
21:51:32  <Ammler> didn't you realize that yet? :-P
21:54:53  <XeryusTC> hmm
21:55:15  <XeryusTC> it doesnt do that if i symlinked to the repo?
21:57:14  <Ammler> no
21:57:25  <Ammler> mercurial doesn't do that by default
21:57:33  <Ammler> another advantage ;-)
21:57:36  <XeryusTC> hmm, how silly
21:58:22  <Ammler> just run hg update there
21:58:32  <Ammler> if you wouldn't symlink
21:58:41  <Ammler> you would need to pull the changes
22:05:21  <XeryusTC> hmm
22:05:52  <Ammler> same with svn
22:06:04  <Ammler> you would need to svn update :-)
22:06:54  <Ammler> you could install a hook
22:07:38  <Ammler> [hooks]
22:07:39  <Ammler> changegroup.aaaab_update = hg update -C default > /dev/null
22:19:12  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Bug #321: Monorails clipping tunnels @ (by edorfaus)
22:22:51  <XeryusTC> Ammler: where should that go?
22:23:17  <Ammler> to .hg/hgrc on the server
22:24:04  <Ammler> in your case, hg update is fine
22:24:19  <Ammler> (without -C defaut > /dev/null
22:24:36  <Ammler> then you see the output right away, if you push
22:27:55  <XeryusTC> hmm, there was no hgrc file btw
22:28:08  <XeryusTC> i created it, so i hope it works *crosses-fingers*
22:29:08  <Ammler> that's fine
22:29:22  <Ammler> but you know now
22:29:31  <Ammler> every push needs to be stable :P
22:29:45  <XeryusTC> well, i checked that anyway ;)
22:29:46  <Ammler> try it right now
22:29:51  <XeryusTC> as i assumed it got updated anyway :P
22:30:47  <Ammler> you can disable the hook, if you think, it reached a stable state.
22:32:55  <XeryusTC> seems to work indeed :D
22:34:11  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Coopetition ladder - Revision 7: Updated error code to be faster and easier on memory (that was j... @ (by XeryusTC)
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22:40:29  <Ammler> SmatZ: doesn't use the bouncer anymore?
22:42:42  * Ammler installed a bit more adsense on the download area :-)
23:00:36  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: #openttdcoop - Revision 22: [CF] Fix (r20): the REV bookmark still refered to the symlink. @ (by Ammler)
23:00:36  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Revision 146: Feature [#104]: Implement modern office block for tropical climate. First... @ (by planetmaker)
23:01:39  <Ammler> planetmaker: reference doesn't work
23:05:59  <Ammler> not just no reference, it doesn't also not link anymore
23:06:14  <Ammler> so we can't use those chars :-(
23:15:21  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: #openttdcoop - Wiki edit: Writing_Commit_Messages (#7) @ (by Ammler)
23:19:11  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Bug #321: Monorails clipping tunnels @ (by edorfaus)
23:23:53  <planetmaker> hm... yeah, seems like we cannot :-(
23:23:54  <planetmaker> let's remove it then
23:24:11  <Ammler> yes, well
23:24:27  <Ammler> you can use the normal brackets for revisions, if you want
23:24:38  <Ammler> Fix (r20) worked
23:25:43  <Ammler> edorfaus has just 9 posts in tt-forums, else I would give him commit rights right away ;-)
23:29:20  <planetmaker> :-)
23:29:34  <planetmaker> btw... did you receive an answer concerning the tropical church?
23:29:43  <Ammler> no :-)
23:29:47  <Ammler> ah
23:29:51  <planetmaker> :-(
23:29:53  <Ammler> again wrong smilie
23:29:58  <planetmaker> hehe
23:30:07  <Ammler> I checked the PM outgoing
23:30:14  <Ammler> he read the mail
23:30:30  <planetmaker> hm... ok. But no replay?
23:30:38  <Ammler> yes :-(
23:31:01  <Ammler> I thought about asking on the 32bpp thread, how to proceed, if there is no answer.
23:31:05  <planetmaker> I was thinking of just using the arctic church
23:31:22  <Ammler> what is the general license of the 32bpp graphcis?
23:31:32  <planetmaker> uhm... none?
23:31:42  <planetmaker> dunno though, really
23:31:50  <Ammler> so not helpful for opengfx
23:32:02  <planetmaker> ^^
23:32:33  <Ammler> community work without license is as bad as the originals :-(
23:32:53  <planetmaker> very much so.
23:32:54  <Ammler> no worse.
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23:35:45  <Ammler> using arctic church is fine, imo, or the temperate
23:43:17  <planetmaker> I'm even thinking of using the "too colourful" variant.
23:43:34  <planetmaker> but I'll sleep over it :-)
23:43:43  <planetmaker> And sleep for now sounds about time and very tempting
23:49:00  <planetmaker> soo.. good night :-)
23:50:51  <Ammler> omg
23:50:55  <Ammler> indeed time

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