Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 22nd August 2009:
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00:08:47  <Frankr> :0 i'm off cya
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01:33:32  <Brot6> I'm encased in the lining of a pure pork sausage!!
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07:34:24  <planetmaker> Ammler: [06:18]	<Brot6>	[03:33:32] Backup done! (Usage: )
07:34:31  <planetmaker> looks strange
08:54:03  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 44: Change: Large Coaster - progress on view no. 7 @ (by andythenorth)
09:44:22  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 45: Change: Large Coaster - version with white bow house, about to delete it, mig... @ (by andythenorth)
09:44:22  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 46: Change: Large Coaster view no. 7 complete except for greeble @ (by andythenorth)
09:52:24  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #488 (Closed): KLM 737-900 @ (by FaddyPainter)
09:53:00  <Ammler> planetmaker: host key of has changed
09:53:20  <Ammler> ah, stupid me .-)
09:53:47  <planetmaker> of www.openttdcoop yes :-) I experienced the same :-P
09:54:02  <andythenorth> One angle of a boat takes *fricking ages*
09:54:03  <andythenorth>
09:54:05  <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums User Control Panel Login (at
09:54:11  <andythenorth> oops
09:54:22  <andythenorth>
09:54:23  <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums View topic - Go fishing with the FISH ship set (at
09:55:15  <planetmaker> seems like loaded in the -- direction and unloaded in the other three
09:55:24  <Brot6> Backup done! (Usage: 93M)
09:55:24  <Brot6> if it GLISTENS, gobble it!!
09:56:59  <planetmaker> and somehow the ship still looks like it's lacking a bit in details. I cannot give you more details to this impression, though ;-)
10:02:50  <andythenorth> oh balls, everyone's a critic :|
10:02:52  <andythenorth> :D
10:30:26  <planetmaker> ah, sorry :-)
10:40:44  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 236: Fix: Remove white pixels from tokyo-s01 metro (part of issue #485) @ (by planetmaker)
10:40:44  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 237: Fix: Offsets of 81-729 metro (part of issue #485) @ (by planetmaker)
10:41:50  <Ammler> planetmaker: modifies cc-nd sprites :-o
10:41:55  <Ammler> ;-)
10:42:05  <planetmaker> :-P
10:42:15  <planetmaker> bad bad Purno
10:42:40  <planetmaker> half of the errors seem offset errors, the other pixel errors...
10:43:26  <Rubidium> getting more and more happy not to ignore the pure white pixel errors, are you? :)
10:43:54  <Rubidium> seems like OGFX had relatively few real errors per white pixel warning
10:44:20  <planetmaker> Oh yes, Rubidium :-)
10:44:39  <Ammler> different coders for same part, well reviewed
10:45:05  <Ammler> mostly thanks to Zeph and foobar
10:45:20  <planetmaker> He, two things I would like to see here as repository, too are Irwe's set and ISR :-) - and maybe the Japanese stuff, too
10:45:24  <planetmaker> all is GPL...
10:45:43  <Ammler> does "as" code irwes houses?
10:45:45  <Rubidium> you want Japanese stuff? :)
10:45:53  <planetmaker> Rubidium: why not?
10:45:59  <Rubidium> Mini Moni! :)
10:46:05  <planetmaker> :-D
10:46:27  <planetmaker> I prefer Sake over that, actually :-)
10:46:45  <planetmaker> or even better: true Kobe beef.
10:46:58  <planetmaker> if it only weren't that expensive...
10:49:24  <Rubidium> just make your own :)
10:50:32  * Rubidium would like a proper okonomiyaki again :)
10:55:51  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 47: Add: source files for Small Coaster and Medium Coaster @ (by andythenorth)
10:55:51  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 48: Add: pcx files for Small Coaster and Medium Coaster @ (by andythenorth)
11:00:22  <Ammler> I would like to see the other GPL newgrfs having somewhere the source, no matter where.
11:01:13  <Ammler> maybe we should ask the forums threads for and offer space here.
11:03:15  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 238: Fix: Remove white pixels from 680 MU (part of issue #485) @ (by planetmaker)
11:03:15  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 239: Fix: Remove white pixels and fix offsets from Oscar MU (part of iss... @ (by planetmaker)
11:03:26  <planetmaker> I offered Irwe and as the space and help... but they haven't come around yet
11:03:39  <planetmaker> I didn't with ISR and the Japanese guys, though
11:04:17  <Ammler> did you talk with as?
11:06:08  <planetmaker> I wrote a forum mail, it was read, but no answer yet
11:06:27  <Rubidium> the forum mail sucks
11:06:30  <planetmaker> a few days ago.
11:06:34  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 49: Change: renamed graphics files for coasters to a better pattern @ (by andythenorth)
11:06:34  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 50: Change: code for revised coaster naming pattern @ (by andythenorth)
11:06:35  <andythenorth> hmm....when ships are tall, there are quite some graphical glitches with ships.
11:06:36  <Rubidium> you can't even mark something as 'unread'
11:06:50  <andythenorth> ^^ when passing under bridges
11:07:19  <andythenorth> Do we care?  about ship glitches I mean, not in general :P
11:07:58  <Ammler> they "glitch" also with missing crash detection
11:08:05  <Ammler> or how that is called.
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11:12:32  <Frankr> hi
11:14:25  <Ammler> another white warrior :-)
11:14:51  <Rubidium> nah, Frankr is done with pure white pixels :)
11:15:01  <Frankr> Not quite
11:15:07  <Frankr> but it is down to 47 now
11:15:09  <Rubidium> and on with nfo fixing and slapping people to fix their sprites :)
11:15:15  <Frankr> lol
11:15:32  <Ammler> oh, nice :-)
11:17:46  <Frankr> Just the 747-200 drawers need to fix there sprites and the 744D which is a mess
11:17:58  <Frankr> All errors should b fixed by next compile
11:18:37  <Ammler> and new contributions should be with pure white as background ;-)
11:18:59  <Frankr> Yh, tha is wat we have been fixing as well
11:19:19  <Frankr> All the planes up to 737-900er are are pure white background
11:19:24  <Ammler> if you fix that, the contributor isn't aware of.
11:19:47  <Frankr> We will post all the new greyscale pngs by 2morro
11:19:56  <Frankr> and check any new paints up to next friday
11:20:07  <Frankr> tha should sort out any problem
11:21:11  <Frankr> that seem thorough enough Ammler
11:23:02  <Ammler> @services op
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11:24:00  <Ammler> @topic change -1 s|mz\.openttdcoop\.org/bundles|bundles\|
11:24:00  *** Webster changes topic to "Talk about things hosted and developed on | Logs: | Downloads log: http://bundles\"
11:24:05  <Ammler> mäh
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11:24:53  <Ammler> @op
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11:25:03  *** Ammler changes topic to "Talk about things hosted and developed on | Logs: | Downloads log:"
11:25:34  <Ammler> @topic add .
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11:25:39  <Ammler> @topic remove -1
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11:26:32  <Ammler> kinda much effort to get less highlight ;-)
11:26:42  <Frankr> lol
11:26:57  <Ammler> @deop
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11:27:24  <Rubidium> it is work again! :)
11:27:33  <Rubidium> (he said in he best engrish)
11:30:11  <Frankr> :)
11:33:34  <Frankr> Ammler: Can u combine Issues on the Issue section?
11:34:14  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 240: Fix: Offsets for DR12 and Iore (part of issue #485) @ (by planetmaker)
11:34:14  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 241: Fix: Offsets and white pixels for 140C2 (part of issue #485) @ (by planetmaker)
11:34:22  <Ammler> Frankr: yes
11:34:30  <Frankr> How?
11:34:59  <Ammler> if you created the issue, you can add relation to other issues.
11:35:27  <Ammler> above watchers
11:36:04  <Frankr> ty
11:36:45  <Ammler> didn't use it much, i.e. how to block the other issue from closing and such...
11:37:41  <Frankr> The Issues are About the Purchase list graphics and 2cc colours for planes
11:37:50  <Ammler> <-- use this project to play, if you want
11:38:27  <Ammler> changes there won't be announced here.
11:39:27  <Frankr> ok
11:46:03  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 242: Fix: Yet another transgression of my rights, removing white pixels ... @ (by planetmaker)
11:46:18  <planetmaker> ^^ what about that commit message, Ammler ? :-D
11:47:25  * Ammler gives pm a "free from prison card"
11:47:41  <planetmaker> haha :-)
11:47:50  <Rubidium> (not for use in real prisons)
11:47:56  <Frankr> :)
11:48:00  <planetmaker> oh :-(
11:48:11  <Ammler> hehe, indeed, might not work there :-D
11:48:18  <Frankr> u haven't got tha many to fix planetmaker
11:48:30  <planetmaker> sufficient files...
11:49:11  <planetmaker> still 72 warnings; the file count will be less, though
11:49:31  <Ammler> do you use something automatically?
11:49:57  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #492: Use New XL 737-900ER @ (by FaddyPainter)
11:50:07  <planetmaker> no
11:50:13  <planetmaker> gimp and manual work.
11:50:22  <planetmaker> though the "select everything of one colour" works fine
11:50:45  <planetmaker> and it's slow work as half of them are true offset errors
11:50:58  <Rubidium> planetmaker: start with the ice3 :)
11:51:18  <planetmaker> I work by sprite number. Easiest. And has to be fixed anyway...
11:51:31  <planetmaker> and it's slow as every engine has its own file...
11:51:31  <Rubidium> (I fear all of those warnings are offset errors)
11:51:38  <Frankr> I just slogged through it
11:52:08  <planetmaker> mostly purchase list is wrong and head lights are white pixels
11:52:11  <Rubidium>
11:52:29  <Frankr> Well our 744D purchase is 100% white
11:52:55  <Frankr> Tha needs sorting :)
11:53:02  <planetmaker> he :-) 5 trains then to go :-)
11:53:21  <Ammler> indeed, we already laughted about that
11:54:35  <Frankr> :)
12:12:54  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 495: 742 Faddy's Iberia and Hellenic sorted (No Pure White Pixel E... @ (by Frank)
12:16:19  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Bug #490: Fix Your 747-200 png's @ (by Frank)
12:26:10  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: #openttdcoop - Revision 34: [DLlog] Change: don't force downloading of txt files @ (by Ammler)
12:26:10  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: #openttdcoop - Revision 35: [DLlog] Fix: add date to initial entry, too @ (by Ammler)
12:26:10  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 243: Fix: Remove last warnings: Offsets and white pixels in MUs ICE3, TG... @ (by planetmaker)
12:26:12  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Bug #485 (Closed): pure white pixels @ (by planetmaker)
12:27:15  <Ammler> wow :-)
12:27:47  <planetmaker> pew...
12:33:14  <Frankr> congratz
12:34:15  <planetmaker> :-) ty
12:38:54  <Ammler> planetmaker: 1.0.2 release?
12:39:35  <Ammler> oh, there are still some open bugs :-)
12:42:06  <planetmaker> yes. found a nice one right now. Bad \ in the wrong place :-)
12:42:22  <planetmaker> disabling each a real sprite, generating error level 4
12:49:01  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 244: Fix: Don't add '\' into comments. It's bad (closes #325) @ (by planetmaker)
12:49:01  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Bug #325 (Closed): missing real sprites (nfo error) @ (by planetmaker)
12:55:51  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 51: Change: progress on Large Coasterview no. 6 @ (by andythenorth)
12:59:17  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 245: Fix: silence the warning about usage of colour codes in sprite no. 1 @ (by planetmaker)
12:59:18  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 246: Fix: Property 1D of silo wagons @ (by planetmaker)
13:09:38  <Ammler> planetmaker: imo, the wrong way to silence nfo warnings.
13:09:58  <planetmaker> Ammler: the warning 144, there's no other way
13:10:02  <planetmaker> or how do you mean?
13:10:21  <Ammler> request update of nforenum
13:10:45  <planetmaker> that's another thing :-)
13:10:48  <Ammler> if there is a reason, that won't be silenced, silence it directly in nfo.
13:11:15  <Ammler> like I did with the Action8 warning in ogfx_extra
13:12:20  <planetmaker> hm, yeah...
13:12:32  <Ammler> was was a good example, why not silence it in global conf.
13:16:48  <planetmaker> hm, no? And why was that?
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13:28:22  <Ammler> planetmaker: yorick added -q to grfcodec flags
13:28:39  <planetmaker> that silences everything
13:28:45  <Ammler> so Frankr and Beardie didn't see the errors we had on the farm.
13:29:04  <planetmaker> I silence one colour code warning
13:29:11  <Frankr> i didn't no
13:29:29  <planetmaker> no or know?
13:35:42  <Frankr> no
13:35:56  <Frankr> it should be, i didn't, no
13:46:16  <planetmaker> I'm afraid that doesn't parse for me :-)
13:53:54  <Ammler> :-)
13:54:40  <Ammler> I wasn't aware of that-q, because the CF overwrote the flags
13:54:51  <Ammler> hmm, wouldn't be needed anymore, btw.
13:55:36  <Ammler> planetmaker: another reason, you should silence the nfo warnings in the nfo directly
13:56:05  <planetmaker> :-)
13:57:05  <Ammler>
14:03:14  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 496: Corrected ANAPokemon 747-400D + Removed Pure White from all 7... @ (by Beardie27)
14:03:14  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 497: Changed File name on B747-400D Anapokemon png @ (by Beardie27)
14:03:14  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 498: r497 and r496 now merged @ (by Beardie27)
14:04:02  <Brot6> 2cctrainset: Backup push to ssh:// initiated.
14:06:26  <Frankr> 1 error lol
14:13:58  <planetmaker>  // warning about high IDs //@@WARNING DISABLE 141  // warning about colour codes in action 8 //@@WARNING DISABLE 144 ^^ that doesn't do the trick for me, Ammler, if inserted into 00header.pnfo. And I don't get why...
14:20:40  <planetmaker> anyway, I'm off for now
14:24:28  <Frankr> cya
14:24:36  <Ammler> planetmaker: stupid precompiler removes the comments
14:25:27  <Rubidium> check how it's done in ottd_grf
14:27:35  <Ammler> do you use precompiler there?
14:27:49  <Rubidium> yes
14:28:06  <Rubidium> it's called a preprocessor though :)
14:29:55  <Ammler> ah, anyway, don't see it there
14:30:10  <Ammler> -C
14:49:23  <planetmaker> ah, right. The -C is missing, I guess.
14:51:38  <Ammler> I had issues using it last time.
14:58:26  <Ammler> but maybe, it was something else
15:54:29  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Bug #493: American Airlines 757-200 @ (by FaddyPainter)
16:18:01  <Brot6> 2cctrainset: update from r235 to r246, starting nightly compile
16:18:22  <Brot6> 2cctrainset: compile done (1 errors) -
16:18:22  <Brot6> firs: nightly compile not needed. (r212)
16:18:22  <Brot6> fish: update from r38 to r51, starting nightly compile
16:18:34  <Brot6> fish: compile done (0 errors) -
16:18:34  <Brot6> heqs: nightly compile not needed. (r169)
16:18:35  <Brot6> opengfx: nightly compile not needed. (r200)
16:18:35  <Brot6> opensfx: nightly compile not needed. (r40)
16:18:35  <Brot6> worldairlineset: update from r469 to r498, starting nightly compile
16:19:13  <Brot6> worldairlineset: compile done (1 errors) -
16:19:18  <Frankr> 1 error hopefully
16:19:24  <Frankr> yay
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16:25:34  <Ammler> concrat Frankr
16:25:42  <Frankr> :)
16:26:05  <Ammler> (and pm)
16:26:05  <Frankr> At least it is done now
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16:47:29  <DJNekkid> hi guys
16:51:02  <planetmaker> congratz, Frankr :-)
16:51:11  <planetmaker> hey DJNekkid
16:51:12  <Frankr> ty
16:51:23  <Frankr> hi DJNekkind
16:51:31  <Frankr> lol
16:51:36  <Frankr> Nekkid*
16:51:56  <planetmaker> tab completion rulez ;-)
16:53:53  <Ammler> DJNekkid: planetmaker fixed around 100 errors from you ;-)
16:54:12  <planetmaker> and Purno :-P
16:54:47  <DJNekkid> i see you invited Lawton27 to add the code and stuff to the repo...
16:54:49  <planetmaker> yeah, I still hope that DJN doesn't loose interest in the 2cc set :-)
16:54:51  <DJNekkid> wanna make one? :)
16:55:04  <planetmaker> DJNekkid, you should even be able to do yourself :-)
16:55:11  <DJNekkid> in theory :)
16:55:14  <planetmaker> :-)
16:55:20  <DJNekkid> but i just fuck things up!
16:55:22  <planetmaker> Let's try together
16:55:29  <DJNekkid> i'll rather let the pros do it :)
16:55:34  <DJNekkid> and i'll rather code stuff :p
16:56:28  <planetmaker> nah, as active as you are, you need to learn to add a new project here :-)
16:57:19  <Ammler> hg clone <localrepo> ssh://<project>
16:57:46  <Ammler> and how to create the project itself, that should be quite easy.
16:57:54  <planetmaker> ^ and then just use "New project" on the website
16:58:21  <planetmaker> obviously you have to init your repository first locally before you can clone it to the server
16:58:29  <DJNekkid> so ...
16:58:53  <DJNekkid> 'cd <localdir>' 'hg init'
16:58:59  <planetmaker> First: make yourself a repository on your computer for the project. Yes
17:00:59  <DJNekkid> remote: illegal repo 'home/ottdc/hg-repos/nmts
17:01:28  <DJNekkid> abort: no suitable response from remote hg!
17:01:45  <Ammler> andythenorth: "Schtop. " <-- is that your german?
17:01:55  <andythenorth> Grolsch...
17:02:40  <Ammler> hmm
17:02:52  <Ammler> do you need full access for cloning?
17:03:07  <planetmaker> dunno... really...
17:03:36  <Ammler> DJNekkid: what is the command you runned?
17:04:03  * Rubidium wonders what andythenorth has been drinking ;)
17:05:44  <DJNekkid> Ammler: hg clone <dir> ssh://<stuff> nmts
17:07:48  <planetmaker> hm... maybe it's sane, if either Ammler or me has to sanction the start of a new repo...
17:07:55  <planetmaker> what does nmts stand for directly?
17:08:01  <planetmaker> new monorail train set?
17:08:06  <DJNekkid> new monorail train set
17:08:11  <planetmaker> :-)
17:08:55  <planetmaker> let me init it. Then you can pull it (an empty repo)
17:09:11  <planetmaker> try now to clone it.
17:09:23  <planetmaker> like you would clone 2cctrainset
17:09:37  <planetmaker> (but other path, of course :-P )
17:15:15  <planetmaker> I mean: try now to clone the repository from our server to your computer
17:15:52  <DJNekkid> hg clone ssh://
17:15:53  <DJNekkid> ?
17:18:06  <DJNekkid> seemed to work :P
17:19:55  <Ammler> you should have called it monolev ;-)
17:20:01  <Ammler> Rubidium: likes that name
17:20:15  <DJNekkid> i just did the code, not the name :)
17:20:21  <Rubidium> wut?
17:20:56  <Ammler> just remember as you complained about us using it in opengfx.
17:21:49  <Rubidium> when?
17:22:57  <Ammler> well, irc chat only, not officially ;-)
17:23:52  <Rubidium> I never even spoke that name
17:24:03  <Rubidium> I only said that I dislike monorail and maglev
17:24:35  <Rubidium> primarily due to their track ugliness
17:26:05  <Ammler> well, that is limited from game engine, as it needs to be equal to ground.
17:32:24  <Rubidium> planetmaker: what's your issue with FS#3139 actually?
17:33:01  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 52: Change: Large Coaster view no. 6 near enough complete @ (by andythenorth)
17:34:06  <Ammler> Rubidium: it is hard to distinguish, why the game crashes, it would be nice to see, e.g. which version of the grf would be needed.
17:34:30  <Rubidium> so?
17:34:37  <Ammler> now, you need to start with -d grf=3 or similar and check the output.
17:35:16  <Rubidium> so THAT is the problem?
17:35:39  <Rubidium> and all the nonsense about "wrong filename" and "wrong MD5 checksum" is just purely bogus
17:35:55  <Rubidium> not to speak of the "or something like that" error message description
17:37:00  <Ammler> well, I don't know exactly what pm did.
17:37:18  <Ammler> ISR is one of the very ugly coded grfs
17:37:35  <Ammler> it isn't compatible, but doesn't change md5sum
17:37:43  <Ammler> GRFID I meant
17:38:16  <Ammler> they didn't change the ID, so you can easy upgrade a running game with new Version.
17:38:34  <Rubidium> anyhow, you need grf=1 to get a list of the compatible newgrfs
17:39:39  <Ammler> yes, but why not show that when the game crashes?
17:40:29  <Rubidium> it does, on systems that have a proper crash handler *and* where crash handling has been implemented
17:41:24  <Ammler> well, pm should tell you the exact issue. I just speak from "old" own experience. ;-)
17:42:37  <Ammler> somehow, it would be nice to have possibilty to load old versions to bananas, so we could remove those GRFs from the pack completely.
17:43:21  <Rubidium> old versions are removed from the pack anyway
17:43:34  <Ammler> yes, the compatible ones.
17:43:48  <Ammler> but e.g. ISR is still in the pack with around 4 different versinos.
17:43:57  <Rubidium>
17:44:01  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 53: Change: angle no. 6 complete for Small Coaster and Medium Coaster. @ (by andythenorth)
17:45:15  <Rubidium> ^ shows a nice log of what the user messed around with NewGRFs
17:45:19  <Ammler> we plan to make a new release without the BaNaNaS grfs
17:46:10  <Ammler> but it is a bit silly to release a pack without newest ISR, but with the old, just because the new is in Bananas
17:46:44  <planetmaker> Rubidium, concerning FS3139
17:47:06  <planetmaker> what I did was load a game with an old version of ISR.
17:47:49  <planetmaker> as they messed around with (non)track tiles, and OpenTTD only finding an incompatible version of the newgrf, it crashed (fine, it's the grf's fault)
17:48:45  <planetmaker> what I expected to see in the output though was: the MD5 of the newgrf which it was searching.
17:48:59  <planetmaker> a vital piece of information in order to find the correct one.
17:49:31  <Frankr> bk later tea time
17:51:50  <Rubidium> so the thing you call a debug message is actually the big fat "omg I have crashed"-thingy
17:52:18  <planetmaker> yes. Sorry, if I mis-labeled it.
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17:52:46  <Rubidium> hmm... that's tricky
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17:53:03  <planetmaker> as it says also [dbg] I called it debug :-)
17:53:49  <planetmaker> is the expected MD5 stored in a savegame?
17:53:59  <planetmaker> it should somehow, isn't it?
17:54:33  <Rubidium> the crash thingy doesn't show [dbg]
17:54:51  <planetmaker> hm, ok :-) My fault then.
17:55:06  <Rubidium> also the md5 and stuff are stored in the savegame, but get overwritten once a compatible newgrf is loaded
17:56:08  <planetmaker> hm... right, I remember that discussion once, now you mention it.
17:57:28  <planetmaker> Proposal: Just add an additional text line: "Start openttd with parameter -d 3 in order to retreive the expected MD5 of the offensive newgrfs"
17:57:44  <planetmaker> :-) I was too stupid to think of that at that time
17:59:36  <planetmaker> That should then be an easy fix without much worry and store-this-there-till-then acrobatics :-)
17:59:40  <Rubidium> well, -d 1 is more than enough too
17:59:45  <planetmaker> ok
18:01:33  <Ammler> and for the bananas issue, we would need to ask the ISR devs to upload also the old grfs, I fear.
18:03:00  <Rubidium> which they likely won't due because they are 'old and buggy'
18:03:15  <Ammler> and not sure, if openttd could handle that
18:03:43  <Ammler> I mean, openttd would see a newer grf with the same id and just load that, wouldn't it?
18:04:11  <planetmaker> I'm still a fan of newgrf version 8 with minor versions introduced :-)
18:06:33  <Ammler> that is something else.
18:07:02  <Ammler> our issue needs the exact same version, which md5sum is fine.
18:09:59  <Rubidium> if OpenTTD doesn't find a matching NewGRF it loads a 'compatible' one (randomly chosen from the NewGRFs with the same GRF ID)
18:10:11  <Rubidium> it is not aware of any versioning within NewGRFs
18:10:17  <Rubidium> because the specs don't do that
18:10:29  <DJNekkid> Ammler: are the bananas pw's removed from the devzone?
18:10:32  <Ammler> and if one is already there, why should it download one from bananas?
18:10:43  <planetmaker> DJNekkid, no
18:10:43  <DJNekkid> i thought i were under "mangers"
18:10:48  <DJNekkid> -s
18:10:49  <planetmaker> they are
18:11:05  <Rubidium> and "we" (OTTD+TTDP) never got around version 8 of newgrfs which could feature versioning
18:11:20  <Ammler> well, Truebrain and maybe also Rubi doesn't like, we share our bananas accounts ;-)
18:11:25  <planetmaker> <-- DJNekkid
18:12:24  <Rubidium> oh, that's good... so from now you're sharing your bugs, wiki and translator accounts too :)
18:12:26  <planetmaker> Rubidium, I'm aware that there's no decision yet. Might not even yet be the time but adding a few further additions :-)
18:12:38  <planetmaker> Dunno which, though
18:12:55  <Ammler> well, I use 2 accounts
18:13:04  <Ammler> one for the grfs and one for me
18:14:52  <Ammler> the bananas account is something like a "project" account.
18:15:14  <Ammler> but the issue is, if the password goes lost ;-)
18:15:49  <DJNekkid> Rubidium: do you have anything to do with this page?
18:16:07  <Rubidium> no, TB does
18:16:21  <Ammler> DJNekkid: do you migrate the accounts?
18:16:37  <DJNekkid> mi
18:16:41  <DJNekkid> my accounts yes .. ?
18:16:44  <Ammler> you shouldn't migrate your bananas account.
18:16:56  <DJNekkid> but but ... it told me to!
18:17:07  <Ammler> well, nvm, then
18:17:13  <Ammler> just use another pw ;-)
18:17:40  <Rubidium> there went one shared account?
18:17:57  <Ammler> no, we shared our accounts
18:18:09  <Ammler> me, djn and andy
18:18:31  <Ammler> pm doesn't have grfs.
18:18:42  <Frankr> bk
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18:41:59  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: New Monolev TrainSet - Revision 0: initial upload @ (by DJ Nekkid)
18:41:59  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: New Monolev TrainSet - Revision 1: added a .xls sheet, and adjusted all running costs and TE's @ (by DJ Nekkid)
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18:59:19  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: New Monorail & Maglev TrainSet - Revision 0: initial upload @ (by DJ Nekkid)
18:59:19  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: New Monorail & Maglev TrainSet - Revision 1: added a .xls sheet, and adjusted all running costs a... @ (by DJ Nekkid)
19:00:14  <planetmaker> I hope you don't mind that I changed it to monorail & maglev instead of the wrong maglev :-P
19:08:31  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 54: Change: angle no. 4 for all coasters @ (by andythenorth)
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19:12:09  <FooBar> ah, good to have that set in a repo as well :)
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19:12:40  <Irwe> planetmaker: are you working for FIRS?
19:13:51  <Irwe> no you don't:P never mind
19:13:55  <planetmaker> :-)
19:13:58  <FooBar> no, but I am :P
19:14:10  <planetmaker> I just forwared your pm to foobar and andy, irwe
19:14:14  <andythenorth> I am / I am not :)
19:14:19  <Irwe> yes I know.. stupid me mixing up the people here at the community
19:15:06  <Irwe> anyway I can send you (andy or foobar) 2 gas stations I've finished
19:15:35  <planetmaker> don't worry Irwe
19:15:44  <FooBar> that would be nice, Irwe :)
19:15:53  <planetmaker> I'll happily distribute wrong mails to the proper people :-)
19:16:02  <FooBar> :)
19:16:12  <planetmaker> (as long as it's for a good cause)
19:16:19  <planetmaker> and that is up to my discretion :-P
19:16:37  <Irwe> no need to:) I'll just rewright it
19:17:08  <planetmaker> you can just edit the sent mail
19:17:13  <planetmaker> and add new recipients
19:18:49  <Irwe> well it wasn't a long PM :)
19:19:59  <Irwe> the importance is that you get the files
19:20:25  <FooBar> got it ;)
19:20:33  <FooBar> oh, and thanks! :)
19:21:27  <Irwe> you'r welcome, I'm just happy FIRS is moving along nicely cuz I think it will be sexylicius when first stable relase comes
19:27:30  <Irwe> later if you guys want the coding for the gas stations to make them buildings you can ask as
19:29:22  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 213: Add: Gas Station source sprites (by Irwe) @ (by foobar)
19:29:44  <FooBar> I looked into coding houses and it doesn't seem much different than coding industries, but I'll make sure to ask as if I need something. No need to reinvent the wheel ;)
19:30:29  <Irwe> exaclty
19:30:47  <FooBar> Maybe you should set up a repo at the devzone? Ofcourse as would need to use that as well then, so he would need to agree with that as well...
19:31:17  <Irwe> I can talk to as about it, we do have alot to do before beta release
19:31:42  <FooBar> sure, no need to hurry
19:34:27  <FooBar> the beta might actually be a good starting point to push everything into a repository. OpenGFX didn't use a repository straight from the start either, and that turned out rather well :)
19:35:13  <Irwe> verry well :)
19:35:58  <Irwe> well I'm off, good evening gentlemen
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19:43:32  <Ammler> FooBar: yeah, it made the inital creation of tickets doeable :-)
19:47:09  <FooBar> :)
19:50:29  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 247: Codechange: Disable warnings in the nfo, not in the makefile @ (by planetmaker)
19:50:33  <planetmaker> though IMO it hasn't hurt FIRS to have a repo right from the start :-)
19:53:53  <andythenorth> for a collaborative project like FIRS, repo is an epic win
20:10:00  <planetmaker> :)
20:13:00  <Ammler> many projects starts as a private thing and grow up to be community project, so it doesn't hurt to use it from start.
20:13:12  <Frankr> WAS was like tha
20:20:41  <planetmaker> :-)
20:27:00  <Ammler> has the monorail project makefile support?
20:27:46  <Ammler> hmm, why does DJN still work with ugly batch file?
20:28:13  <Ammler> he is such a silly guy.
20:28:40  <Rubidium> because batch is native to Windows?
20:29:28  <planetmaker> well. But he uses make for 2cctrainset :-)
20:41:29  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 55: Change: coasters - hull now 1 pixel higher in all horizontal views @ (by andythenorth)
20:44:54  <andythenorth> planetmaker: ^^
20:45:27  <planetmaker> :-)
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21:29:17  <Frankr> My god
21:29:28  <Frankr> 70 changes in 1 push
21:31:01  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 499: Massive Plane Update, (Changing Plane Sprites) @ (by Frank)
21:31:44  <Frankr> should have left it for r500
21:35:39  <Ammler> rename the files and remove () from file name ;-)
21:36:14  <Ammler> wouldn't that be neat r500?
21:38:27  <Frankr> lol, already accidentally done it Ammler
21:39:16  <Ammler> or removing useless pngs from source :-)
21:39:48  <Ammler> does pikka work with png?
21:41:23  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 500: Forgot about removing the old Tu154B and M Greyscale names @ (by Frank)
21:41:23  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 501: What a rubbish r500 birthday, forgot to celebrate it properly... @ (by Frank)
21:43:36  <Frankr> Ammler: i don't know i think he must have
21:44:28  <Ammler> a png with the same quality as the pcx is useless and it seems you have just double work.
21:45:21  <Ammler> but it is you, who is coding, so you have to care about ;-)
21:45:47  <Ammler> don't get me wrong, I don't complain about because you waste diskspace.
21:46:16  <Frankr> well ammler i agree with u
21:46:31  <Ammler> and once in the repo, you can't delete it anymore.
21:46:50  <Frankr> can remove thm
21:47:25  <Ammler> well, not from history, so it would still need the diskspace.
21:47:35  <Ammler> but you could save work,
21:47:47  <Ammler> you don't need to handle everything twice.
21:48:39  <Frankr> problem is we have to trust the painters thn
21:49:07  <Frankr> and some of the painters just pop on the ttd forum and thn post a plane
21:49:47  <Ammler> that is fine,
21:49:59  <Frankr> we have converted everything into pcx now anyway
21:50:23  <Ammler> yes, but if the pcx has same quality as the png
21:50:31  <Frankr> wat we could do is just me and beardie when posting in the repo just convert the image into pcx and post it
21:50:33  <Ammler> you could easy convert back to png.
21:51:15  <Ammler> so if you think, the png will ever be needed again, you could make them from the pcx too.
21:51:34  <Ammler> but I don't see, why you will ever need the png, if you have the pcx.
21:51:41  <Frankr> they are kept on the WAS forum anyway
21:52:20  <Frankr> it would be best talkin to beardie about this when he gets back
21:52:20  <Ammler> there would be a reason, if you would have the png in truecolor or 32bpp
21:52:35  <Ammler> or in other resolution, but all that isn't the case.
21:53:05  <Ammler> the png is a exact copy of the pcx, so simply redundancy.
21:54:00  <Frankr> i don't know because we change the png
21:54:32  <Frankr> we use a palette on it and then convert
21:54:46  <Ammler> hmm
21:55:11  <Ammler> the pngs from tt-forums are already 8bpp
21:55:24  <Ammler> so I don't think, you change them
21:55:45  <Frankr> well we run a palette on them which alters some colours i think
21:56:13  <Ammler> then it would make sense,
21:56:23  <Ammler> but which png do you save on the repo?
21:56:35  <Frankr> plain
21:56:49  <Ammler> the png from forums?
21:56:57  <Frankr> yh
21:57:12  <Ammler> then you convert and save as pcx?
21:57:17  <Frankr> yh
21:57:21  <Ammler> hmm
21:57:32  <Ammler> then it would make sense to save both.
21:57:55  <Frankr> the palette may be only to make sure tha ppl have used the correct colours but i don't know
21:58:05  <Ammler> but the pngs from the tt-forums use already the palette.
21:58:28  <Frankr> yh but some ppl use wierd colours
21:58:36  <Frankr> they don't stick to the palette
21:59:08  <Frankr> i was fixing alot yesterday and some had 254 254 253,253 254 255 wierd colours
21:59:16  <Frankr> tha all got converted to 255
21:59:23  <Frankr> pure white
21:59:44  <Ammler> which app do you use for the images?
21:59:55  <Frankr> i mixture
22:00:04  <Ammler> you should try gimp :-)
22:00:20  <Frankr> Jasc Paint Shop Pro, Gimp and Photshop
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22:01:06  <Ammler> dunno the 1st one
22:01:31  <Frankr> It is gd, i got it off beardie
22:01:40  <Ammler> gd?
22:01:43  <Rubidium> god!
22:01:49  <Frankr> sorry
22:01:50  <Frankr> good
22:02:12  <Frankr> i'm so used to writing short
22:02:33  * Rubidium remembers using like version 5 of it
22:04:01  <Ammler> Yu lk t wrt wtht vwl
22:04:01  <Brot6> 2cctrainset: Backup push to ssh:// initiated.
22:04:07  <Brot6> firs: Backup push to ssh:// initiated.
22:04:26  <Rubidium> mmlr: thn dnt s vwls!
22:04:54  <Rubidium> Ae: o o ie i oe ;)
22:05:03  <Ammler> hehe
22:05:32  <Ammler> this seems to work a lot better in german
22:05:38  <Ammler> at least better readable
22:05:49  <Frankr> i makes sense
22:05:56  <Rubidium> ao Ae!
22:06:07  <Rubidium> oe i?
22:06:13  <Frankr> Are you both german?
22:06:17  <Rubidium> o
22:06:37  <Ammler> nn
22:06:51  <Rubidium> aaaaa :)
22:07:07  <Ammler> I see one german here
22:07:14  <Ammler> and around 10 dutchies
22:07:30  <Frankr> and English
22:07:35  <Ammler> you?
22:07:42  <Frankr> Me and Beardie both are
22:07:44  * Rubidium is probably the closest to a German ;)
22:07:47  <Ammler> oh, you are neighbours
22:07:52  <Frankr> roughly
22:08:00  <Frankr> about 1mile away
22:08:19  <Ammler> I need 3-4 hours to Germany
22:08:34  <Rubidium> I 42 minutes... if I walk
22:09:19  <Frankr> 3-4hours where r u?
22:09:45  <Ammler> hmm, well, I could go over austria then it might be 1-2 hours
22:10:03  <Rubidium> CH
22:10:32  <Frankr> Switzerland thn
22:10:37  <Ammler>
22:10:59  <Ammler> well, we speak somehow Germanish
22:11:38  <Rubidium> hmm... Emden, Deutschland in Switzerland?
22:13:17  <Ammler> afaik, there is only one town called Amden on the world
22:13:49  <Ammler> at least I didn't find something else with google or other ways.
22:14:01  <Rubidium> says Emden, Deutschland
22:14:03  <Webster> Title: Ammler - Ohloh (at
22:15:26  <Ammler> the map shows easter CH where Amden is
22:16:00  <Ammler> I am around 1h from Zürich
22:17:04  <Ammler>,9.147168&spn=0.034207,0.090809&t=h&z=14
22:17:05  <Webster> Title: Google Maps (at
22:17:32  <Frankr> I'm around 4hrs from London (by train)
22:17:57  <Rubidium> hmm... is it Utrechtenstrasse or Uftrechtenstrasse?
22:18:00  <Frankr> probably the same for flying these days
22:18:53  <Rubidium> although, that street might be in the next hamlet
22:19:32  <Ammler> Uf
22:21:19  <Rubidium> it does have a regular "train" connection... well train :)
22:21:36  <Ammler> that is around 20mins away with bus
22:21:53  <Rubidium> noo... I mean the SL101 :)
22:22:06  <Rubidium> Niederslag-Amden SBA
22:22:11  <Rubidium> goes every minute
22:22:28  <Ammler> lol
22:22:42  <Rubidium>
22:22:43  <Webster> Title: SBB: Online Timetable (at
22:24:44  <Ammler> that should be Walau, not Niederschlag
22:25:07  <Rubidium> oh... it's "officially" a train :)
22:25:14  <Rubidium> Trainname: SL 101
22:25:15  <Ammler> silly such thing in the time table
22:25:40  <Ammler> that "train" "drives" only on nice weather
22:26:09  <Rubidium> "nice weather" meaning daily from june till november
22:26:09  <Frankr> those trains would be rubbish in this country
22:26:27  <Ammler> on winter for skiing
22:27:12  <Ammler> I have 5 mins on foots to that station
23:42:16  <Frankr> I'm off cya
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