Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 29th August 2009:
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01:33:34  <Brot6> YOW!!! I am having fun!!!
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10:25:30  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #534: Arable farms above snow line @ (by planetmaker)
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11:35:57  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #534 (Confirmed): Arable farms above snow line @ (by foobar)
11:39:07  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #533: Winter sprites for the sandpit @ (by foobar)
11:56:25  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 214: Change: Don't remove comments in the NFO source dur... @ (by planetmaker)
12:00:28  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Bug #532: 32bpp @ (by foobar)
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12:01:04  <DJNekkid> hi guys...
12:15:51  <planetmaker> hi guy :-)
12:16:04  <DJNekkid> whats up?
12:16:29  <planetmaker> toying around with various kinds of NFO :-)
12:16:49  <DJNekkid> slowly getting to understand how it work? :)
12:16:55  <DJNekkid> atleast the more advanced (var2) parts? :)
12:16:58  <planetmaker> nope :-P
12:17:19  <planetmaker> not yet quite. But well.
12:17:29  <planetmaker> I might get there.
12:17:31  <DJNekkid> hehe
12:17:35  <DJNekkid> it's easy :)
12:17:55  <planetmaker> I first have to master 1-2-3 chain :-)
12:18:22  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Support #532: 32bpp @ (by athanasios)
12:18:22  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Support #532: 32bpp @ (by foobar)
12:18:22  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 215: Fix: Preserve NFO's escape sequences through pre-pr... @ (by planetmaker)
12:18:27  <DJNekkid> shal i break it TOTALLY down for you?
12:20:08  <planetmaker> :-) well. 1 = real sprite. 2=defines a label and assigns which real sprite upon conditions. 3=connects label to... whatever needs displaying
12:20:44  <planetmaker> that's my understanding... in the hope I didn't get it totally wrong
12:21:03  <DJNekkid> pretty much...
12:21:45  <planetmaker> I guess I'm missing out on how action 3 works :-)
12:22:05  <DJNekkid> thats pretty much the easiest one... attach an action2ID to a vehile ID
12:22:58  <planetmaker> and the action2ID has to handle all the different views (-,|, /,\,...)?
12:23:14  <DJNekkid> yes
12:23:18  <DJNekkid> but the action1 defines that
12:23:29  <DJNekkid> i'm writeing some stuff here... let me upload it in a second
12:23:39  <planetmaker> hm... yes, 8 views
12:23:54  <planetmaker> in the real sprites. and action1 tells which
12:24:18  <planetmaker> my problem is: I want to understand too many things at once :-)
12:24:27  <DJNekkid> hehe!
12:24:30  <planetmaker> and then I don't understand everything ;-)
12:24:40  <DJNekkid> starting with 1-2-3 is a nice start :)
12:24:44  <planetmaker> looking here and there and getting totally confused
12:24:48  <DJNekkid> action 0 would is easy, i hope?
12:24:56  <DJNekkid> well, the wiki is written in gibberish :)
12:25:06  <planetmaker> that's the definition of the properties, right?
12:25:19  <planetmaker> if so, yes, that's easy
12:25:45  <DJNekkid> thats defining the properties yes :)
12:25:53  <DJNekkid> speed, hp, etc :)
12:26:18  <planetmaker> This morning, though, I toyed with action 0A for industries and airports :-P
12:27:04  <planetmaker> but they also need the 1-2-3 chain. somewhat
12:28:17  <DJNekkid> action A ... isnt that a simple sprite-for-sprite replacement?
12:28:24  <DJNekkid> if so, they only need action A
12:28:36  <planetmaker> in principle
12:28:49  <planetmaker> but not only. You have composite sprites for the tiles
12:29:05  <planetmaker> like groundsprite and an arbitrary number of other sprites on top
12:29:31  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #535: Primary/secondary industry types @ (by foobar)
12:30:18  <planetmaker> <-- I tried to get that thing rectified to something which actually looks half-way decent.
12:30:35  <DJNekkid> hehe
12:33:53  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: #openttdcoop - newgrf_airport.png @ (by planetmaker)
12:33:58  <DJNekkid> there, finished :)
12:34:09  <planetmaker> hm?
12:34:35  <DJNekkid>
12:36:08  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - 1-2-3.pnfo @ (by DJNekkid)
12:36:34  <planetmaker> oh, that's nice :-) Thank you!
12:37:04  <DJNekkid> now, open some random file (not ICM) in the dutch set for example
12:37:08  <DJNekkid> and see the similarities
12:37:51  <DJNekkid> hmm ... i guess i should start "working" again now...
12:38:14  <planetmaker> :-)
12:38:32  <planetmaker> indeed. quite similar
12:38:58  <DJNekkid> we had a sewage upcome from the bathroom ... "sluk" ... you know, the "hole" in the tiles where all the water go into ... well, we had an upcome from it last tuesday...
12:39:05  <DJNekkid> it rained 110mm in 24hrs that day
12:39:16  <planetmaker> urgs :S
12:39:47  <planetmaker> that's true shit in the literal sense
12:40:11  <DJNekkid> so i need to take up all parquet(?) (wooden) floors on the entire appartment, and throw out a couple of 1000s of euros in clothes... our sofa, the bed, 3 double clothing cabinets etc
12:40:28  <planetmaker> :`-(
12:40:31  <DJNekkid> well, i could have people do it for me for free, but if i do it myself i get payed about 20e/hr to do it
12:41:12  <planetmaker> wow, at least you get refund for what was destroyed?
12:41:18  <DJNekkid> ofcourse :)
12:41:25  <DJNekkid> insurance 4tw
12:41:30  <planetmaker> ah, ok. Makes sense
12:42:08  <planetmaker> good to have such one then :-)
12:42:09  <DJNekkid> but anyway, im concidering takeing up 50k nok (aprox 6k euro) more mortage, and make a new kitchen...
12:42:24  <planetmaker> he :-)
12:42:33  <DJNekkid> push the payment date back a couple of years, and we would pay the same as we do today
12:42:35  <planetmaker> do you or your wife cook?
12:42:56  <planetmaker> ;-)
12:43:01  <DJNekkid> its not that i dont want to, but she is a WAY better cook then me
12:43:11  <DJNekkid> i do have "my" dishes tho :)
12:43:17  <DJNekkid> and i do all the bakeing
12:43:52  <planetmaker> :-) fair share.
12:44:16  <DJNekkid> and when se actually enjoy it more then me, why not...
12:44:31  <DJNekkid> she creates the nices gourmet style dishes each friday
12:48:36  <planetmaker> yummi :-)
12:52:56  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Support #532: 32bpp @ (by Ammler)
12:56:51  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Support #532: 32bpp @ (by Ammler)
13:00:51  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Support #532: 32bpp @ (by planetmaker)
13:30:37  <DJNekkid> planetmaker: add me on facebook and see the pics .P
13:32:06  <planetmaker> so... whom do I add?
13:32:14  <DJNekkid> thomas mjelva
13:32:26  <planetmaker> djnekkid of course
13:32:35  <DJNekkid> or that might work i think:)
13:32:47  <planetmaker> it does indeed
13:32:55  <planetmaker> request sent
13:33:01  <DJNekkid> accepted
13:33:12  <planetmaker> :-)
13:33:34  <DJNekkid> pictures and "møkkagreier" ("shity stuff")
13:33:53  <planetmaker> teh... looks like a hell of a fun...
13:34:06  <DJNekkid> hehe!
13:34:11  <DJNekkid> thats just the start...
13:34:28  <DJNekkid> the bedroom and the hall is still to go ...
13:34:38  <DJNekkid> and the bedroom werent exactly tidy to begin with
13:41:45  <DJNekkid> lol ... i coded a handfull of "easy" trains for that lawton27 to be nice, and now he's starting to make demands..
13:46:29  <planetmaker> :-)
13:46:43  <planetmaker> that's how life is. It just ain't fair :-P
13:47:26  <DJNekkid> hehe...
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14:04:04  <Brot6> firs: Backup push to ssh:// initiated.
14:14:26  <ODM> quite some projects on dev now
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14:50:39  <Webster> Latest update from trac: Revision 734: [logictrain] Release 0.5, speed is settable by parameter <>
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16:18:01  <Brot6> 2cctrainset: nightly compile not needed. (r267)
16:18:02  <Brot6> firs: update from r213 to r215, starting nightly compile
16:18:20  <Brot6> firs: compile done (1 errors) -
16:18:20  <Brot6> fish: update from r65 to r66, starting nightly compile
16:18:32  <Brot6> fish: compile done (24 errors) -
16:18:32  <Brot6> heqs: nightly compile not needed. (r169)
16:18:33  <Brot6> opengfx: nightly compile not needed. (r200)
16:18:33  <Brot6> opensfx: nightly compile not needed. (r41)
16:18:33  <Brot6> worldairlineset: nightly compile not needed. (r520)
16:22:59  <planetmaker> hm... no response from server :-(
16:25:29  <planetmaker> well... not no. But veeeeery slow.
16:25:51  <planetmaker> measurable in bits / second.
16:34:34  <planetmaker> @calc 5941+15941-11567
16:34:34  <Webster> planetmaker: 10315
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16:47:10  <Frankr> Guys??
16:48:09  <Frankr> planetmaker: do you know if a plane can carry food, fuel and goods at once
16:48:50  <planetmaker> I think not. But I never looked at that
16:49:00  <Frankr> ok ty anyway
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17:12:37  <planetmaker> two cargos might work, though
17:12:47  <planetmaker> though not even of that I'm sure :-)
17:13:05  <planetmaker> as... it wouldn't work for a train either.
17:16:38  <Frankr> lol
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17:43:01  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #537: Set a Realiability Decay Speed? @ (by Frank)
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18:38:03  <Ammler> <-- hmm, what else he needs from me? :-)
18:38:04  <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums View topic - Total Bridge Renewal Set: version 1.12 (at
18:41:40  <Ammler> <-- same bug as opengfx
18:42:41  <planetmaker> If I knew what he needs...
18:43:04  <planetmaker> maybe an additional encouragement, that a simple statement in those threads that from his POV the license could be GPL is fine
18:43:07  <Ammler> he, I will ask him :-)
18:44:10  <planetmaker> hm... now, that's peculiar, that firs/opengfx error.
18:44:21  <planetmaker> I can swear it didn't occur after my last commit...
18:44:42  <planetmaker> wait. info version 5.
18:44:51  <Ammler> the nfo header bug is strange
18:44:59  <planetmaker> yeah. well.
18:45:22  <Ammler> do you know what to do, else I can fix it for you.
18:46:08  <planetmaker> I'm on it.
18:47:13  <planetmaker> hm... in that case of firs, it would suffice to just swap order in the file list
18:47:15  <planetmaker> the header is very short
18:47:49  <planetmaker> but let's do it properly :-)
18:49:01  <Ammler> well, as long as there are no ids used in the header
18:49:18  <Ammler> in 2cc, there is much code already in the header
18:49:25  <planetmaker> yeah, but we want to avoid that even happening by accident - and then the great wondering ;-)
18:50:00  <planetmaker> what is warning 100?
18:50:51  <Ammler> you get that after fixing nfo version?
18:51:14  <planetmaker> no, it's in Makefile.config
18:51:23  <planetmaker> I add that to the header in the same commit.
18:51:33  <Ammler> remove it, if you are at it ;-)
18:51:43  <planetmaker> but I wanted to add a description different than "//warning - what actually?" ;-)
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19:06:03  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 216: Fix: move NFO header to separate file and make it t... @ (by planetmaker)
19:08:26  <Ammler> and again, planetmaker needs a commit Fix r216 :-P
19:08:40  <planetmaker> what did I do?
19:08:52  <Ammler> you forgot to add a file, didn0t you?
19:08:58  <planetmaker> :-P
19:09:00  <planetmaker> mÀh
19:10:31  <Frankr> :)
19:10:52  <Ammler> Hello Frankr
19:11:01  <Frankr> hi ammler
19:12:48  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 217: Fix (r216): This is the header file oh so volominou... @ (by planetmaker)
19:13:26  <Ammler> :-P
19:13:35  <Frankr> ;)
19:14:52  <planetmaker> did you read the whole commit message?
19:15:16  <Brot6> The following compile is to honor planetmaker...
19:15:23  <planetmaker> lol
19:15:24  <Frankr> lol
19:15:24  <Brot6> firs: update from r215 to r217, starting nightly compile
19:15:39  <Brot6> firs: compile done (0 errors) -
19:15:51  <Frankr> tha is gd planetmaker, :p
19:16:29  <planetmaker> ;-)
19:16:45  <Ammler> btw. we might need a "cleaning" strategy for the archive sometime....
19:18:56  <planetmaker> you mean for
19:19:02  <planetmaker> or for what archive?
19:23:50  <Ammler> yes
19:24:04  <Ammler> for nightlies in special
19:24:53  <Ammler> something like keep 1, delete 10, keep 1, delete 10...
19:25:01  <Ammler> if older than 30 days
19:27:00  <Ammler> planetmaker: btw., that might make r215 obsolete
19:27:37  <planetmaker> yes, might.
19:27:43  <planetmaker> and yes, makes sense
19:27:52  <planetmaker> though we don't need to keep older nightlies at all
19:28:00  <planetmaker> they can be re-produced after all
19:29:03  <Ammler> so you think, just a plain keep 10, delete the rest would suiffice?
19:29:18  <planetmaker> yup
20:28:27  <Frankr> lol, i would agree
20:38:00  <Ammler> so we keep 10 or 3 month
20:43:05  <planetmaker> and at least 1
20:43:11  <planetmaker> err. nvm
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21:56:13  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 67: Change: progress on Large Riverboat @ (by andythenorth)
22:04:05  <Brot6> firs: Backup push to ssh:// initiated.
23:13:26  <Frankr> cya'll
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23:44:07  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Support #532: 32bpp @ (by athanasios)

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