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00:00:33 *** Frankr has quit IRC 00:08:48 *** Chris_Booth has quit IRC 01:13:37 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2701: (svn r2852) Romanian translation update, adding missed diacritics (#3797) @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/2701 (by winterheart) 01:33:40 <Brot6> Backup done! (Usage: 98M) 01:33:40 <Brot6> Are you still an ALCOHOLIC? 06:03:09 *** Mega has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 06:03:14 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Mega 06:09:20 *** Mega has left #openttdcoop.devzone 06:35:11 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 06:35:26 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v ODM 07:08:13 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Bug #545: Ekranoplan? @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/545 (by planetmaker) 08:10:44 *** Doorslammer has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:10:50 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Doorslammer 08:54:26 *** Chris_Booth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:54:38 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Chris_Booth 09:23:36 *** TrogDoor has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 09:23:41 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v TrogDoor 09:28:40 *** Doorslammer has quit IRC 09:44:15 *** TrogDoor is now known as Doorslammer 09:59:48 *** Chris_Booth has quit IRC 10:02:23 *** ODM has quit IRC 11:25:43 <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=815083#p815083 <-- Ammler FooBar any idea whether that's true or not? I find it hard to imagine... 11:25:45 <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums View topic - 32bpp mega pack v20081101 (at www.tt-forums.net) 11:27:28 <Ammler> planetmaker: that is true 11:27:53 <Ammler> I gave up to tell the 32bpp people to make grfs instead of just bloody tars. 11:28:41 <Ammler> and it looks like also athansios would like to make such crap. 11:29:31 <Rubidium> with a bit of symlink magic most of it would probably be solved too 11:29:46 <planetmaker> tell that a win user ;-) 11:29:50 <Ammler> well, "they" won't listen... :-( 11:30:08 <planetmaker> hm... that's then really, really bad. 11:30:13 <Ammler> I guess, tar is able to handle symlinks. 11:30:19 <Ammler> so is windows openttd. 11:30:31 <planetmaker> you might be right 11:30:59 <planetmaker> but even then: it's not a solution, but a hack. Let there be another, 3rd base grf and you're screwed again. 11:31:10 <Ammler> but the easiest would be, they would pack the graphcis with a grf, so you would also be able to activate them ingame. 11:31:31 <planetmaker> yup. They should do that. 11:31:40 <Ammler> the grf could be just a dummy ActionA thing. 11:31:48 <planetmaker> I know it works *somehow*, but I have so far no idea how to make a 32bpp newgrf. 11:32:08 <planetmaker> just action As with a png as target? 11:32:12 <Ammler> no 11:32:24 <planetmaker> my last statement makes no sense :-P 11:32:31 <Ammler> with a plain blue sprite pcx 11:32:41 <Ammler> which then would be replaced by32bpp 11:32:42 <planetmaker> eh? 11:32:55 <Ammler> well, if there is a 8bpp replacement, use that. 11:33:06 <planetmaker> but it would need the correct size, wouldn't it? 11:33:21 <planetmaker> and offsets 11:33:51 <Ammler> yes, you could use that from original. 11:34:17 <planetmaker> hm, right. 11:34:24 <Ammler> well, if you don't have a "real" sprite, it doesn't need offsets. 11:34:26 <planetmaker> would make sense. Much sense. 11:35:02 <Ammler> maybe I should make a script to generate the grf for it. 11:35:17 <Ammler> but somehow, I am not interested to support 32bpp extra zoom. 11:35:38 <Ammler> as those graphics are mostly not useable on the normal (openttd trunk) zoom level. 11:37:11 <Ammler> I just reviewed those graphcis to see, if we can find something for opengfx ;-) 11:37:25 <planetmaker> I certainly won't make newgrfs for non-trunk 11:37:54 <planetmaker> ha, but were you successful? 11:38:39 <Ammler> well, If I would be drawer of those extra zoom level patch, I would at least also make them useable for the normal 32bpp level. 11:39:22 <planetmaker> Ammler, that's something you'd do. Something I'd do. And maybe a few others... 11:39:53 <Ammler> something I mentioned on that thrad, which they are aware but somehow don't care. 11:40:03 <planetmaker> I think you already asked them to provide normal zoom-level sprites, too, right? 11:40:20 <Ammler> all screens there are just from the fulll zoomed in level. 11:40:24 <planetmaker> I wonder whether they all really use this zoom-level patch. 11:41:03 <Ammler> specially the signals are really awesome. 11:41:29 <Ammler> but you don't see, if a signal is red or green on the trunk 32bpp sprties. 11:43:01 <Ammler> foobar used some 32bpp sprites, and I used the tropic church, but not from extra zoom level graphics. 12:03:03 <planetmaker> maybe we could start with making an example grf? 12:03:21 <planetmaker> in a yet-to-be initiated 32bpp replacement grf 12:03:35 <planetmaker> project 12:03:41 <Ammler> well, just to help anthansios 12:04:02 <Ammler> it DOES make sense to make a 32bpp tar for opengfx. 12:04:54 <Ammler> if those sprites are the same as the 8bpp just not converted. 12:05:17 <Ammler> but it doesn't make sense to MAKE new 32bpp sprites to replace 8bpp sprites. 12:05:57 <Ammler> e.g. Zephyris should have his work as 32bpp 12:07:57 <planetmaker> why would we want a 32bpp OGFX+, if the same aim is achieved by using OpenGFX and a 32bpp replacement pack? 12:11:36 <Ammler> not "+" 13:17:53 <Ammler> planetmaker: currently there isn't a 32bpp pack, this should become that :-) 13:18:13 <Ammler> the pack on your thread is for the extra zoom 13:23:27 *** [1]Mark is now known as Mark 14:14:49 <Doorslammer> Never understood .tar files and what to do with them 14:14:54 <Doorslammer> Just complicates things 14:20:52 <Rubidium> depends on you point of view; what's easier? Downloading 6 files, downloading a single file or downloading a file and use some external tool to get the 6 files out of the just downloaded file? 14:22:50 <Doorslammer> Ive yet to make a .tar work though 14:22:56 <Doorslammer> So I know what I prefer 14:31:20 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:31:35 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v ODM 14:38:18 <planetmaker> Doorslammer, tar is approx. the same as a zip - just not compressed 14:39:24 <planetmaker> working with newgrf you should get used to using them :-) 14:39:40 <planetmaker> as it keeps the files nicely bundled together but at the same time readable to openttd. 14:40:07 <planetmaker> Doorslammer, if you're under windows: get the total commander :-) 14:40:24 <planetmaker> it knows how to read tars (and other archives) transparently, e.g. without unpacking 14:40:39 <planetmaker> just like normal dirs would work 14:41:23 <Doorslammer> Oh, so they are like zips? 14:41:33 <Doorslammer> That explains what Ive been doing wrong then 14:41:34 <planetmaker> btw, Doorslammer : if you need write access to the BR set. Tell Ammler or me. 14:41:45 <Doorslammer> Just plonked them in the folder and left them 14:41:50 <Doorslammer> Oh OK 14:41:52 <planetmaker> Doorslammer, the principle is the same. But another way. 14:42:06 <planetmaker> But OpenTTD allows you to do exactly that: plonk them in the folder and forget about them 14:42:09 <planetmaker> that's the advantage 14:42:18 <Doorslammer> I would like write access, despite the fact I havent much clue on what Ill be writing about 14:42:27 <Doorslammer> Oh I see 14:42:53 <planetmaker> s/another way/another format/. Like rar and zip are different, so is tar 14:42:54 <Doorslammer> They dont seem to work like that for me then 14:43:06 <planetmaker> Doorslammer, TTDP or OpenTTD? 14:43:08 <Doorslammer> Ill try then through WinRAR 14:43:26 <planetmaker> they need to be in the same place you'd put a grf file 14:45:38 <Doorslammer> Ah bugger, no idea where they went 14:46:07 <Doorslammer> Oh well, cant have been that important then 14:48:25 <Doorslammer> OTTD, normally I left them in the data folder 14:48:50 <Doorslammer> But none appear to be left 14:48:50 <Doorslammer> So they must be long gone 14:48:50 <Doorslammer> I shant worry any longer othem 14:53:05 <Doorslammer> Now, this write access thing 14:53:18 <Doorslammer> I imagine theres a bunch of reading material to learn about it? 14:57:18 <planetmaker> you basically need to supply us with a public key :-) 14:57:37 <planetmaker> how to get that: read the wiki on this devzone :-) 14:57:54 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/home/wiki/Welcome 14:58:05 <Doorslammer> Um... 14:59:00 <planetmaker> After that, in order to be able to actually build the newgrfs, we strongly recommend the dev tools (mercurial, mingw/msys, nforenum, grfcodec, too) 14:59:04 <planetmaker> all of them :-) 14:59:20 <planetmaker> it's a bit of a entry barrier. You'll need at least mercurial, though 14:59:33 <planetmaker> or tortoiseHG as the client is called for win 15:00:46 <Ammler> hmm, that reminds me, someone did once send me a ssh key... 15:00:56 <planetmaker> :-D 15:01:18 <Ammler> well, I added him to the hg-repo group 15:01:28 <planetmaker> who's that *someone*? 15:02:31 <Ammler> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/home <-- listed here :-) 15:02:40 <Ammler> it was athanasios 15:03:11 <planetmaker> ah :-) fair enough. He should 15:03:15 <Doorslammer> Oh... 15:03:38 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: #openttdcoop - Wiki edit: Welcome (#21) @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/16/wiki/Welcome?version=21 (by planetmaker) 15:04:54 <Doorslammer> Ive got a horrible feeling Im in way over my head here 15:05:36 <planetmaker> Doorslammer, you don't need to get it all. Just all those tools really help 15:05:47 <planetmaker> s/get/understand in detail/ 15:06:35 <planetmaker> once you setup the software, things become quite easy 15:06:47 <planetmaker> ... or as easy as nfo and version control gets 15:17:46 <Doorslammer> Downloading now 15:19:25 <Doorslammer> Actually, no 15:19:39 <Doorslammer> I'll be here all night with them filesizes 15:20:31 <planetmaker> ? 15:21:09 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Bug #545 (Assigned): Ekranoplan? @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/545#change-1340 (by simozzz_AK) 15:28:42 <Doorslammer> Dialup 15:35:57 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:36:05 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Webster 15:43:52 *** Frankr has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:43:57 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Frankr 16:18:01 <Brot6> 2cctrainset: nightly compile not needed. (r267) 16:18:02 <Brot6> firs: nightly compile not needed. (r217) 16:18:02 <Brot6> fish: update from r88 to r90, starting nightly compile 16:18:08 <Frankr> planetmaker: the only problem is the fact the seaplane ports haven't been made yet 16:18:22 <Brot6> fish: compile done (3 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/fish/nightlies/ 16:18:22 <Brot6> heqs: nightly compile not needed. (r169) 16:18:23 <Brot6> opengfx: nightly compile not needed. (r200) 16:18:23 <Brot6> opensfx: nightly compile not needed. (r41) 16:18:23 <Brot6> worldairlineset: nightly compile not needed. (r532) 16:18:28 <Rubidium> oh... they have been made :) 16:18:40 <Frankr> have thy 16:18:44 <planetmaker> Frankr, certainly true... in a sense that you cannot yet used then in trunk games :-) 16:20:29 <Frankr> would be nice to see them in game but thy are more ship like it seems 16:21:22 <planetmaker> I think they'll be more like planes :-) 16:21:42 <planetmaker> they'll only need a water-airport 16:22:45 <Frankr> indeed 16:22:46 <planetmaker> "only" should better ;-) 16:24:30 <Frankr> i don't know if the graphics however would stand up against beardie's standards 16:25:12 <Doorslammer> Hmmm, done a fair bit of drawing today 16:25:17 <Doorslammer> No buildings though 16:25:24 <planetmaker> :-) 16:26:58 <Doorslammer> Not easy, especially being ToyWorld 16:27:01 <Frankr> only the fish grf that has seen work done in the last couple of days anyway 16:27:13 <Doorslammer> I havent got a great imagination when it comes to those things 17:34:20 <Frankr> Planetmaker: it doesn't seem to have gone down well with my graphics team 17:39:54 <planetmaker> what's wrong with it? 17:41:48 <planetmaker> to my impression you're progressing very quickly. 17:56:55 *** Doorslammer has quit IRC 17:58:49 <Frankr> I don't know i think they just seem to dislike the set 18:00:55 <Frankr> they don't seem to like protype idea's and they believe they are more like ships, it is a difficult category personally 18:02:41 <Frankr> planetmaker: sorry about the late reponse just bad timing with my tea, :) 18:57:49 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #545: Ekranoplan? @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/545 (by planetmaker) 18:57:49 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #545 (Assigned): Ekranoplan? @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/545#change-1340 (by simozzz_AK) 20:37:11 <planetmaker> Frankr: if most of your people don't like it, you might want to skip the idea :-) - or make it a option turned on via a grf parameter. 20:37:27 <planetmaker> Then you have both. And the usual user has what most of your contributors like 20:37:36 <Frankr> well i haven't talked about it to beardie yet 20:37:58 <Ammler> mäh., why not just make another set? 20:37:59 <Frankr> only Faddy and Alex disagree with it's purpose 20:38:04 <Frankr> lol 20:38:30 <Frankr> well i don't know yet who the Zyepth guy is 20:39:08 <Ammler> he is the drawer of around 50-80% of opengfx 20:39:15 <Frankr> lol 20:39:36 <Ammler> and he made eGRVTS 20:40:21 <Frankr> lol, shows how long i've been arounf 20:40:24 <Frankr> around* 20:42:31 <Frankr> btw, how do you make the grf parameter thing? 20:43:03 <Ammler> define "default" with ActionD 20:43:42 <Ammler> I have a minigrf around, which shows the usage. 20:44:17 <Ammler> http://trac.openttdcoop.org/browser/grfdev/lumbermill/makegrf#L23 20:45:11 <Frankr> thx 20:46:33 <Ammler> http://trac.openttdcoop.org/browser/grfdev/logic/makegrf <-- here I used parameter to make the speed a parameter 20:46:51 <Ammler> he, just saw another bug... 20:47:27 <Ammler> I am wondering, the grf is working :-) 20:47:56 <Frankr> I was thinking about doing it for pax on our planes 20:48:18 <Frankr> so that when you use the Cargodest patch you can hold double the pax 20:48:30 <Frankr> but i don't know whether i will do that yet 20:51:17 <Ammler> you could use the parameter as factor 20:51:28 <Ammler> like setting percentage 20:51:49 <Frankr> so that when u increase the parameter the pax increases 20:52:13 <Ammler> like your set parameter0=150 20:53:03 <Frankr> ah but we have very specific pax numbers 20:53:05 <Ammler> then you use ActionD to calc with 20:53:36 <Ammler> yes, so if the plane has 300, ActionD does change it to 450 20:54:01 <Frankr> ah 20:54:19 <Frankr> so the plane increases i see from the original value 20:54:21 <Ammler> well, dunno, if you use some callbacks to change cap over time? 20:54:30 <Ammler> I read something in the thread but not sure. 20:54:31 <Frankr> not atm 20:55:37 <Ammler> ActionD and Action6 are your friends ;-) 20:56:01 <Frankr> :) 20:56:07 <Ammler> I assume, it is possible to overwrite VarAction2 with it, too. 20:56:31 <Ammler> but I never did something with Action2 20:56:33 *** Chris_Booth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:56:45 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Chris_Booth 20:57:13 <Frankr> lol, i won't need to do that Ammler 20:57:46 <Ammler> well, if you change things with callbacks already, you might need to.... 20:58:48 <Ammler> and I assume, you would need to use VarAction2, as Action7/9 is kinda static. 20:58:54 <Frankr> i do with the speeds 20:59:00 <Frankr> and running costs 20:59:11 <Frankr> but that's about all u can do with planes 20:59:47 <Ammler> oh, btw. are you aware of that OpenTTD has plane speed 1/1? 21:00:01 <Frankr> yh 21:00:05 <Ammler> (well, the option) 21:00:06 <Frankr> it has to be used 21:00:22 <Frankr> otherwise speeds go mad 21:00:42 <Ammler> hmm, is your set compatible for TTDPatch? 21:00:57 <Frankr> i.e the landing and taking off speeds don't match the landed gear speed 21:01:03 <Frankr> as far as i know it is 21:01:18 <Ammler> but there you have 1/4 21:02:28 <Frankr> i know the landed speed around the airport is 33mph instead of 120mph but the take off and landing speeds remain the same 21:04:27 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Bug #546: ECS/FIRS Compatibility @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/546 (by extspotter) 21:07:58 *** Mega has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:08:03 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Mega 21:08:39 *** Mega has left #openttdcoop.devzone 21:09:02 <Ammler> :-) 21:11:08 <Frankr> Ammler: do you know anything about IRC to 0.7.2 hook up 21:11:38 <Ammler> We use Autopilot 21:11:55 <Ammler> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/autopilot 21:12:33 <Ammler> (assuming 0.7.2 is openttd :-) 21:12:34 <Frankr> so does mega but it doesn't seem to work past 0.5.3 21:12:38 <Frankr> yh 21:12:49 <Ammler> well, we use AP+ 21:13:07 <Ammler> that should work with >0.7 21:13:15 <Ammler> but linux only. 21:13:40 <Frankr> he'll pop in here in a min and he can describe his problem in more detail 21:14:34 <Webster> Latest update from trac: Revision 735: [LogicTrain] Fix: Action6 should overwrite 2 bytes only. (word) <http://trac.openttdcoop.org/changeset/735/> 21:14:36 <Ammler> yeah, if dih/osai and Brianetta isn't around, me and planetmaker are the next to ask ;-) 21:16:17 *** Mega has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:16:21 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Mega 21:16:30 <Mega> hello 21:17:46 <Mega> im trying to use autopilot on a windows based 072 server but i get an error message: 21:18:14 *** ODM has quit IRC 21:18:45 <Ammler> oh, sorry, can't help you with autopilot on windows. 21:18:57 <Ammler> we use AP+, but that works on Linux only, afaik. 21:19:27 <Mega> error sourcing /documents and settings/..../openttd/freewrap/autopilot.tcl : too few arguments for math funktion. 21:20:02 <Mega> it works on an ol 053 version...also windows 21:20:14 <Rubidium> poor soul manually typing error messages 21:20:43 <Mega> nah its only this one, just experimenting a bit 21:21:07 <Ammler> Mega: there were taken quite a lot effort with Autopilot to let it work on windows. 21:21:18 <Ammler> but on 0.5 times ;-) 21:21:57 <Ammler> but since then, we switched to AP+, which has some additional features, which don't work on windows. 21:22:05 *** Chris_Booth is now known as Guest1270 21:22:16 *** Chris_Booth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:22:18 <Mega> i got the convert.zip from tt-forums and read about it all 21:22:28 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Chris_Booth 21:22:36 <Ammler> yep, that is about openttd. Not AP+ 21:23:07 <Ammler> in your case, you should update Autopilot to work with 0.7, might be possible either. 21:23:36 <Ammler> but _I_ can't help. 21:23:46 <Mega> thx anyway 21:23:57 <Ammler> hmm, maybe you ask at #openttd 21:24:29 <Ammler> glx is a windows dev, he supported Brianetta a lot as he made Autopilot working with windows. 21:24:34 <Mega> i gotta find yorick, he hooked me up last time 21:24:38 *** Chris_Booth has quit IRC 21:24:56 <Mega> yh indeed, i read the whole topic 21:25:06 <Ammler> yorick, long time not seen. 21:25:16 <Ammler> @seen yorick 21:25:16 <Webster> Ammler: yorick was last seen in #openttdcoop.devzone 3 weeks, 3 days, 5 hours, 34 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <yorick> now how do I need to think of a password 21:25:41 <Mega> me neither, he was on my forum this afternoon but didnt get to talk to him 21:25:53 *** Guest1270 has quit IRC 21:26:05 <Ammler> Mega: if you are here. 21:26:28 <Mega> i am 21:26:33 <Ammler> :-) 21:27:16 <Ammler> oh, nvm. 21:27:20 <Mega> i emailed him, with the specifics, lets hope he reacts soon 21:28:00 <Ammler> was just somehow wondering, if you will again make something like the gameday. 21:28:09 <Ammler> can't remember how you called it. 21:28:16 <Mega> well thx anyway ammler, i really apreciate youre work and effort in the ttd community 21:28:57 <Mega> well i wanna connect my gameday server a classic 072 server and a is server all through the irc 21:29:28 <Ammler> but why you run windows server? 21:29:42 <Mega> so i can moderate them from my mobile phone 21:29:43 <Webster> Latest update from trac: Revision 736: [LogicTrain] Cleanup: sprites isn't needed in the repo. <http://trac.openttdcoop.org/changeset/736/> 21:30:00 <Ammler> and that shouldn't be possible with linux? 21:30:00 <Mega> well, i have no clue of anything else 21:30:58 <Ammler> it would be worth to learn a bit about linux, if you like to use such services more. 21:31:36 <Mega> i really wouldnt know where to start amler, i really only make the maps/scenario's yorick does the rest.... wich leaves me clueless atm 21:32:05 <Ammler> hmm, the server you run is at home? 21:32:17 <Mega> yh 21:32:21 <Ammler> thought, you have something deticated :-) 21:32:32 <Mega> and i play them alot myself 21:33:18 <Mega> just bought the best pc at the time with a good connection 21:33:43 <Mega> it only runs ottd and windows, not really much more 21:33:55 <Ammler> my home infrastroucture is the lowest 21:34:11 <Ammler> but I have a linux VPS running in a datacenter 21:34:36 <Mega> i have no resources for that... 21:34:50 <Ammler> :-) 21:35:32 <Mega> we have alot of fun though this way... so i really dont mind running it on windows 21:35:36 <Ammler> the vps, which runns currently 60% of #openttdcoop costs around 15€ per month. 21:36:19 <Ammler> (+taxes) 21:36:27 <Mega> not bad 21:36:50 <Mega> thats about the same as me for electricity and connection 21:37:05 <Ammler> for the openttd servers, we have another awesome fast mashine. 21:37:49 <Ammler> but also on my VPS, there is a server running, the #openttdcoop IS/TAI and FIRS 21:38:16 <Mega> after a day serious playing mu cpe never goes higher than 70% with 3 servers online 21:38:32 <Mega> my cpu* 21:38:56 <Ammler> is it single core? 21:39:06 <Mega> dual 21:39:24 <Mega> 2.8 ghrtz 2gigram 21:39:42 <Ammler> he, that is enough for most games, indeed. 21:39:59 <Mega> 3.5mb/sdown/1.5up 21:40:27 <Ammler> if you like to "stresstest" use one of our saves :-) 21:41:09 <Mega> im currently searching for the limits of is2b3 21:41:51 <Mega> we got 15 companies who could own 4200 trains on 1 big pre-build shared track 21:41:53 <Ammler> if you see differences between IS2 and trunk, tell us. 21:42:23 <Mega> i would love to have cargodest and is in one... 21:42:52 <Ammler> merging the patches is easy, but it failed to compile :-) 21:43:16 <Mega> i know, yorick has been trying endklessly 21:43:42 <Mega> but my madness server is cargodest semi is 21:44:02 <Mega> and stable 21:44:20 <Ammler> cargodest is too complicated for my taste. 21:44:26 <Ammler> or dist 21:44:51 <Mega> its genious cant live without it 21:45:54 <Mega> it should be in 080 really, i like cargodest way bette than is 21:46:04 <Ammler> he? 21:46:12 <Ammler> how can you compare those :P 21:47:15 <Mega> well we play the same kind of games on both only the cargodest with my shared ports and airports functions way more realistic 21:47:43 <Ammler> how does hsared ports and airport work? 21:48:00 <Ammler> is it IS for airports only? 21:48:33 <Mega> we trick ottd in thinking the airports ar oilfields, then i create them in scenareio editor for client 0 21:49:12 <Ammler> hmm, so simple airport sharing. 21:49:16 <Mega> this way we can share harbours and@airports 21:49:52 <Mega> i tried to tell everyone on tt-forums but got bashed from all sides 21:50:09 <Ammler> to tell what? 21:50:21 <Mega> my gameday>madness server includes this all 21:50:44 <Mega> how we done the shared airports... 21:51:16 <Ammler> well, it is hacking, might be neat for some experiments. 21:51:31 <Ammler> but IS2 is a quite clean patch, (afaik) 21:51:49 <Ammler> and if you disable everyhting but airports, you have the same. 21:52:41 <Mega> it crashes quite alot, at least once a day 21:53:01 <Ammler> don't get me wrong, yorick might be a good guy and he knows the code, but sometimes, he hacks without plan. 21:53:30 <Mega> but i prefer how the pax and goods choose theire won destination and how to travel there 21:53:31 <Ammler> I guess, that is just his age. :-) 21:54:15 <Mega> well, i love him for it, it actually was my idea, he just realised it for me 21:54:17 <Ammler> IS2 never crashes. ;-) 21:54:34 <Mega> it does, really 21:54:40 <Ammler> hehe 21:54:52 <Ammler> then you should bugreport it. 21:54:59 <Mega> most times it doesnt unpause when a player just has joined 21:55:06 <Ammler> but not, if you use a lot other patches with it. 21:55:24 <Mega> no i use the clean patch 21:55:35 <Mega> IS2-beta3 21:56:00 <Ammler> there were some changes in trunk since then. 21:56:06 <Ammler> might be a bug of it. 21:56:21 <Ammler> and if it doesn't unpause, that isn't crash. 21:56:33 <Mega> come and join us sometimes 21:57:01 <planetmaker> make a decent bug report please 21:57:10 <Mega> there actually is no way to unpause it, not in console not by save and reload 21:57:10 <planetmaker> and describe it reproducable 21:57:23 <Mega> it gives no error amller 21:57:37 <Ammler> Mega: I suspect it is a issue with autopause 21:57:38 <Mega> just seazes 21:57:49 <Mega> think so too 21:57:50 <Ammler> that has changed, but I htought, before beta3 21:58:33 *** DJNekkid has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:58:38 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v DJNekkid 21:58:50 <Ammler> Mega: you don't have IRC connected to that server? 21:59:03 <Mega> still love playing it for sure 21:59:17 <Mega> no not yet 21:59:19 <Ammler> btw. another nice feature of AP+ :-) 21:59:30 <Mega> i thought i try 072 1st 21:59:33 <Ammler> you can use rcon over it quite easy. 22:00:54 <Mega> you should see the scenario i specially made for the IS patch, its 2048x1024 with 15 islands connected(each player has his own island 22:01:10 <Frankr> "i" mega 22:01:13 <Frankr> :) 22:01:20 <Mega> hey frankie 22:01:32 <Frankr> every1 helped out, :p 22:01:46 <Mega> yh 22:02:01 <Frankr> anyway is it an idea to make an overtaking lane for the Maglev's? 22:02:02 <Mega> still yorick is my fix... 22:02:22 <Mega> is it filles to the max yet? 22:02:29 <Mega> lemme look 22:03:02 <Mega> wow its lagging into outer orbit 22:03:12 <Frankr> wat IS, :0 22:03:46 <Mega> i see trains moving like.... not at all 22:03:57 <Frankr> i'll come and have a look 22:04:35 <Mega> :) 22:04:56 <Mega> lets not spam this channel to much frankie 22:05:13 <Frankr> can i even lood 22:05:14 <Mega> thx guys, it was nice talking to you 22:05:15 <Frankr> load* 22:05:25 <Frankr> they aren't bothered Mega 22:05:27 <Frankr> :) 22:05:52 <Mega> cool, dont wanna upset anybody on my 1st visit 22:06:44 <Mega> its horrible,how big is the map now? 22:07:13 <Frankr> i don't know 22:08:13 <Frankr> Mega u know if you set this AP+ up with your servers is it goin to just be for Mods? 22:08:51 <Mega> i have to investigate the whole ap thingy 22:09:05 <Mega> sounds great 22:09:44 <Ammler> on #openttdcoop, every op has automatically rcon on the server. 22:09:46 <Mega> why just for mods? cant regulars join it then? 22:10:06 <Mega> ohhh no we dont want that 22:10:29 <Ammler> that is actually the most useful feature of ap+ :-) 22:10:35 <Ammler> well beside the irc bridge 22:10:47 <Mega> lol, would be a nightmare 22:11:06 <Ammler> on our other server, everyone has rcon :-P 22:11:19 <Mega> you know how many noobs play my games....LOL 22:11:26 <Frankr> yh we don't do that because of destroyers 22:11:44 <Mega> wich are rare on my servers 22:12:00 <Frankr> on yours but it wasn't on watcher's 22:12:09 <Ammler> we don't have noobs on our servers 22:12:11 <Frankr> is that y watcher has stopped hosting, btw? 22:12:14 <Ammler> well, around 1 per time. 22:12:23 <Mega> nah that wasnt cost odded or anything 22:12:57 <Ammler> current noob is PeterT, you might know him ;-) 22:13:01 <Frankr> Well on IS and GD we don't but on 0.7.1 which mega also runs you sometimes do 22:13:09 <Frankr> Yh we do 22:13:27 <Frankr> He was a Mod on Mega's servers for a while, i don't know y 22:13:27 <Mega> the classic scenariols are all cost modded now watcher never used them 22:13:44 <Frankr> but he and matt kept messing around so got demoted 22:14:00 <Mega> omg dont begin about pete.... he's too anctious 22:14:02 <Ammler> oh, that is why he is now that much around here. 22:14:27 <Frankr> yh, he "helps" out on #Megaindustrytycoon 22:14:46 <Ammler> give him his job back, so we have our peace back. :-) 22:14:46 <Mega> im glad he's over there...lol 22:14:53 <Frankr> lol 22:14:55 <Mega> no way 22:15:09 <Mega> same peoblem here...hahaha 22:15:16 <Frankr> it was mental and he wants to be repromoted he's had 2 attempts 22:15:20 <Mega> problem* 22:15:41 <Frankr> I don't know any other mod who has been like that 22:15:48 <Mega> yh, he dont have mmany people skills 22:16:06 <Mega> well teunis is a good example 22:16:15 <Ammler> well, you need quite a long time to become member at #openttdcoop 22:16:16 <Frankr> i rarely see him on 22:16:19 <Mega> started out petelike 22:16:44 <Ammler> and it isn't enough to get vote of one other , you need some more and no noes. 22:16:55 <Mega> yh, i know amller , thats why my games are free for all 22:16:56 <Frankr> :) 22:17:15 <Ammler> that is why petert never become a member :-P 22:17:33 <Mega> when i 1st joined i coulndt get into the intresting servers, so started myy own.. 22:17:51 <Ammler> well, our public is open for all 22:17:57 <Frankr> Now you create the interesting ones 22:18:15 <Mega> been playing ttd and ttdp 10 odd years before that 22:18:21 <Ammler> the password is just another noob protection. 22:18:34 <Mega> :) 22:18:37 <Frankr> well DJNekkid just said the password i assume 22:19:36 <Ammler> yes, the password changes from time to time. 22:19:44 <Ammler> so you need IRC to get on our server. 22:19:50 <Mega> i think openttdcoop and me/us are in a whole different ballgame, we can easally co exsist 22:19:52 <Ammler> but IRC is open for all. 22:20:09 <Ammler> Mega: that I agree 22:20:22 <Frankr> but noobs rarely go to the extent of goin onto IRC 22:20:34 <Mega> this is me using and irc aplication on my mobile phone.. 22:20:37 <Ammler> and then installing a nightly 22:21:29 <Ammler> and since we log our games and people knows, we do. 22:21:43 <Mega> i m,ore intrested in well worked out stable patches 22:21:44 <Ammler> we have around 0 sabotages. 22:22:10 <Frankr> well Mega has the same now 22:22:14 <Mega> wich are open to the big public 22:22:21 <Frankr> The problem was with Watcher's servers 22:22:37 <Mega> well i would love to have an autopasword thingy 22:22:54 <Ammler> but I tell you, without IRC, I wouldn't moderate a server. 22:23:22 <Ammler> hmm 22:23:45 <Ammler> didn't yorick made a bot which does bridge to IRC? 22:23:55 <Mega> well, moderation for me = people join my privat games... i see it alll hapening... lol 22:24:19 <Mega> yh im running that now amler on a old 053 version 22:24:27 <Ammler> since there is no client limit anymore, that mgiht be a possibilty? 22:24:57 <Mega> it dont eotrk on the new patches beta's 22:25:04 <Mega> work* 22:25:28 <Mega> thats why i need yorick to rewrite it...lol 22:26:20 <Ammler> yeah, he isn't known to make his work very readable for others. 22:26:27 <Ammler> like the WAS makefile ;-) 22:26:50 <Mega> i was digging all day on an old computers harddisk to find the old bot 22:27:14 <Ammler> openttd-python or such like 22:27:28 <Mega> i tried to tell him that when he tried to teach me hoe to code.. 22:27:47 <Mega> wasnt a succes.. 22:28:10 <Mega> really frustrated me 22:28:15 <Mega> :) 22:28:38 <Mega> i mad some sprites for the was set this week though 22:29:27 <Mega> omg i gtg, need to sleep to.moroz 4.30 : its now 00.30 22:29:38 <Mega> bye all 22:29:43 *** Mega has left #openttdcoop.devzone 22:30:04 <Rubidium> all those people leaving IRC 'to sleep' :( 22:31:07 <Frankr> that is also why i am re-writing the code for WAS 22:32:32 <Frankr> so it is readable instead of yorick's mess 22:40:18 *** Rubidium has quit IRC 22:53:44 <Frankr> cya'll 22:53:54 *** Frankr has quit IRC 22:54:14 *** Frankr has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 22:54:20 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Frankr 22:54:20 *** Frankr has quit IRC 23:02:48 *** Rubidium has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 23:02:52 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Rubidium