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Did you BUY any COMMUNIST UNIFORMS?? 03:18:42 *** Mark has quit IRC 03:28:22 *** Guest2986 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 03:28:23 *** Guest2986 is now known as Mark 03:28:30 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Mark 04:13:58 *** Mark has quit IRC 04:23:22 *** Guest2988 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 04:23:27 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Guest2988 04:23:59 *** Guest2988 is now known as Mark 04:34:01 *** Mark has quit IRC 04:38:08 *** zachanim1 has quit IRC 04:44:01 *** zachanima has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 04:44:01 *** Guest2991 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 04:44:02 *** Guest2991 is now known as Mark 04:44:20 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v zachanima 04:44:25 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Mark 04:54:17 *** Mark has quit IRC 05:01:05 *** Guest2993 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 05:01:10 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Guest2993 05:01:25 *** Guest2993 is now known as Mark 05:12:51 *** Mark has quit IRC 05:22:37 *** Guest2994 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 05:22:38 *** Guest2994 is now known as Mark 05:22:42 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Mark 06:25:07 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 06:25:21 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v ODM 06:48:51 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 115: Deleted source psd for Medium River Boat @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/115 (by andythenorth) 06:52:58 *** Mark has quit IRC 07:02:57 *** Guest2998 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:02:58 *** Guest2998 is now known as Mark 07:03:02 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Mark 07:10:20 *** ODM has quit IRC 07:13:07 *** Mark has quit IRC 07:39:45 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:39:50 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v andythenorth 07:41:35 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 116: Change: loaded / unloaded states for Medium and Large River Boats @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/116 (by andythenorth) 08:43:19 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 08:44:02 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 117: Change: added bow / propellor wash to Large River Boat @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/117 (by andythenorth) 09:14:30 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: #openttdcoop - Wiki edit: Welcome (#23) @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/16/wiki/Welcome?version=23 (by planetmaker) 09:17:13 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: #openttdcoop - Wiki edit: Using_a_Makefile (#3) @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/16/wiki/Using_a_Makefile?version=3 (by planetmaker) 09:39:06 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: #openttdcoop - Wiki edit: Welcome (#24) @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/16/wiki/Welcome?version=24 (by planetmaker) 09:39:06 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: #openttdcoop - Wiki edit: Welcome (#25) @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/16/wiki/Welcome?version=25 (by planetmaker) 09:48:32 <Ammler> planetmaker: nice addition, but I am not sure, if we should mention other licenses than GPL 09:49:05 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: #openttdcoop - Wiki edit: Welcome (#26) @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/16/wiki/Welcome?version=26 (by planetmaker) 09:49:27 <Ammler> as the point of the devzone is the hosting of the source. Which you don't with the CC 09:49:39 <Rubidium> modificatsions <- modifications 09:51:07 <planetmaker> thx Rubidium 09:51:29 <planetmaker> Ammler: well, but like OpenSFX there are projects where it is not 100% appropriate. Or possible 09:51:40 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: #openttdcoop - Wiki edit: Welcome (#27) @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/16/wiki/Welcome?version=27 (by planetmaker) 09:51:49 <planetmaker> And having a strong recommendation is IMO good enough 09:51:58 <planetmaker> And anyone using the makefile of mine has to ;-) 09:52:01 <Ammler> ok :-) 09:53:03 <Ammler> maybe we should mention, that the source hosted on the devzone is public. (always) 09:53:22 <planetmaker> hm. why? 09:53:23 <Ammler> also if you would make the project itself private 09:53:41 <planetmaker> can people other than admins create private projects? 09:54:00 <Ammler> afaik, it is possible 09:54:11 <planetmaker> hm, right. Even private projects have public repos, right? 09:54:33 <Ammler> the repos aren't directly connected. 09:55:15 <Ammler> well, theoretically, that could change with the mercurial-server 09:55:39 <planetmaker> hm. well. I don't care much about that :-) 09:56:06 <Ammler> I am not very interested on hosting private repos, except ours. 09:56:13 <planetmaker> if you want secret stuff... ^^ 09:56:27 <Ammler> "... except ours" 09:56:35 <planetmaker> it's a do-it-yourself and don't have others do the admin work for you ;-) 09:56:39 <planetmaker> Or pay us ;-) 09:57:01 <Ammler> oh, if we ever will have a nice plugin for redmine ;-) 09:57:38 <Ammler> As far I read in #openttd, TB doesn't like it. 09:57:47 <planetmaker> that's what I understood, too 09:58:02 <planetmaker> even though, he uses it (currently afaik at least) for opendune 09:58:44 <planetmaker> http://www.opendune.org/ <-- very much looks like ;-) 09:58:45 <Webster> Title: OpenDUNE - MainPage - OpenDUNE (at www.opendune.org) 09:59:06 <Ammler> for him, it would rock, if bitbucket would make its portal opensource. 10:00:23 <Ammler> but it looks more he is moving away... 10:00:38 <Ammler> tracker, wiki, forum isn't there :-) 10:00:56 <planetmaker> yeah. I didn't look in detail there yet 10:05:24 <Ammler> oh well, xaroth doesn't like it... 10:06:01 <Ammler> oh, they have releases... 10:09:41 <planetmaker> apropos 2cctrainset v2: should I create a new, virgin repo for that? 10:09:58 <planetmaker> or should we somehow make it a sub-project of the existing one? 10:10:09 <planetmaker> all shiny new would be easier, I guess. 10:10:36 <Ammler> repo and project? 10:12:07 <planetmaker> yep 10:12:29 <planetmaker> kinda leaving all those birth problems of a learning-curve newgrf behind ;-) 10:12:38 <planetmaker> the source is... scary ;-) 10:14:59 <Ammler> personally, I don't dropping the history. 10:15:05 <Ammler> like* 10:15:25 <planetmaker> well. It'd be something different, like NARS1 and NARS2 10:15:36 <planetmaker> with different grfID 10:16:13 <Ammler> and I don't think, our commit messages will improve much, specially those from djn ;-) 10:16:20 <planetmaker> haha :-) 10:16:26 <planetmaker> That I don't believe either 10:16:53 <planetmaker> The main point, though, is that there's a big mess with the vehicle IDs, all scattered over 10k 10:17:19 <planetmaker> and the code doesn't follow any coding style, but is hacked in, differently at different places as I see it 10:17:34 <planetmaker> and the fixing of vehicle IDs needs a new grfid 10:18:13 <Ammler> don't get me wrong, I am not against new repo/project, well I couldn't anyway :-) 10:18:25 <Ammler> I think that is up2you&djn 10:18:45 <planetmaker> :-) well. But I'm asking for the exact reason: feedback and your opinion 10:19:12 <Ammler> NARS2 did also use new sprites... 10:19:23 <planetmaker> 2ccv2 will also. At least in parts 10:19:25 <Ammler> that isn't much the case in 2cc, is it? 10:19:52 <planetmaker> but probably to a much lesser extend than nars1/2 10:21:51 <Ammler> so a new project with id 2cc2 :-) 10:22:32 <planetmaker> :-) 10:22:44 <planetmaker> that's what I'd chose, yes 10:22:49 <planetmaker> whether new project or not 10:23:30 <Ammler> hmm, you could assign all open issues to version 1.0.2/1.1 10:24:00 <Ammler> doesn't mean, they need to be released. 10:24:09 <planetmaker> :-) 10:24:32 <planetmaker> well... doesn't mean they don't get released. But... I guess DJN lost interest a bit in v1. 10:24:39 <planetmaker> and now wants to do it properly 10:40:25 <Ammler> ah, opendune does need dune2 10:48:37 <Ammler> is opendune that much bigger then openttd? 10:58:39 <planetmaker> probably not 10:58:44 *** Beardie has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:58:49 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Beardie 10:59:03 <planetmaker> what's your definition of "bigger" and what are you referring to, if you talk about size(s) 10:59:27 <Ammler> well, the reason, they "trashed" redmine is the memory usage 10:59:54 <Ammler> ruby uses around 2& here if someone is browsing 11:00:10 <planetmaker> ah 11:00:12 <Ammler> if it is ideling, it is <1% 11:00:39 <jonty-comp> bah, my warehouse rails app uses about 15% of my memory at idle :P 11:00:49 <jonty-comp> but this VPS only has 384MB RAM 11:01:02 <jonty-comp> I might install redmine 11:01:18 <jonty-comp> it would make more sense than having warehouse and mediawiki and whatever all separate 11:12:27 <Rubidium> noai's redmine uses 170 MB 11:12:47 <Rubidium> well, mongrel_rails which I assume is redmine 11:14:42 <Rubidium> which I have to agree is a lot of memory 11:14:45 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenDUNE - Revision 74: [LibEMU] -Fix: obey mouse region restrictions @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opendune/repository/revisions/74 (by truebrain) 11:14:45 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenDUNE - Revision 75: [JIT] -Add: mapped another 89 functions (mostly gameplay) @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opendune/repository/revisions/75 (by truebrain) 11:14:45 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenDUNE - Revision 76: -Add (r75): the decompiled code reflecting latest JIT data @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opendune/repository/revisions/76 (by truebrain) 11:25:10 <Ammler> ups 11:26:50 <planetmaker> he... since when do we have this here? :-) 11:28:52 <Rubidium> not more than 14 days 11:31:21 <planetmaker> so much is sure, yes 11:38:22 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:38:27 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v andythenorth 11:41:31 <Ammler> planetmaker: we don't 11:41:54 <Ammler> I just connected to the svn to reproduce those mem leaks they have... 11:42:30 <Ammler> mem usage was once at 8% but goes back again... 11:43:21 <Ammler> I assume, the issues are more with lightpd 11:46:52 <jonty-comp> lighttpd took me ages to get working properly with rails 11:52:21 <Ammler> Rubidium: catcodec is the first rpm, which worked on every distro on the suse farm :-P 11:53:14 <Ammler> http://pastebin.ca/1571728 11:57:35 <Rubidium> why is the url osfx's? 11:57:55 <Ammler> ups 11:58:29 <Ammler> oh, some copy&paste issues :'-( 11:59:42 *** Audigex has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:59:54 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Audigex 11:59:58 <Ammler> the other issue is, suse compile farm does completely replace the revision tag. 12:00:35 <Ammler> I need to append "alpha2" to version, where "-" isn't allowed. 12:04:13 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 118: Change bow / prop wash for Small River Boat @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/118 (by andythenorth) 12:04:21 <Ammler> http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/ammler/openSUSE_11.1/i586/ 12:04:22 <Webster> Title: Index of /repositories/home:/ammler/openSUSE_11.1/i586 (at download.opensuse.org) 12:07:04 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 119: Change: improved bow / prop wash for River Boats @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/119 (by andythenorth) 12:12:59 <Ammler> Rubidium: where shall I link it? openttd.org 12:12:59 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 12:26:41 <Rubidium> catcodec download page? 12:35:22 *** zachanima has quit IRC 12:35:37 *** Audigex has quit IRC 12:38:54 <Ammler> http://www.openttd.org/en/download-catcodec 12:54:56 *** Chris_Booth has quit IRC 12:55:18 <Rubidium> without the /en/ though 12:58:12 *** zachanima has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:58:27 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v zachanima 13:31:41 *** Chris_Booth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:31:54 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Chris_Booth 14:09:19 *** DJNekkid has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:09:24 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v DJNekkid 14:09:48 <DJNekkid> my god, my head hurts 14:10:56 <Rubidium> tip: do not do whatever you did to get that head ache again 14:11:24 <DJNekkid> i blame beer! 14:11:49 <Ammler> that is what you should do after sleep again :-P 14:11:51 <DJNekkid> but ... beer is tasty! 14:12:43 <Rubidium> Ammler: go to your electronic banking thingy and wire some money to my bank account? 14:12:55 <DJNekkid> lol 14:13:35 <Ammler> again? 14:14:20 <Ammler> DJNekkid: what kind of beer do you have in norway, like english or german? 14:15:12 <DJNekkid> good question ... we have lots of norwegian beer obviously ... and also lots of foreign "famous" beer thats produced on license... 14:15:44 <DJNekkid> and ofcourse their imported more expensive counterparts 14:15:53 <DJNekkid> not too much german tho i think ... 14:16:02 <Ammler> hmm, I meant more how does the country beer taste... 14:16:10 <planetmaker> is there anything like cheap beer in Norway or whole Scandinavia for that matter? 14:16:17 <DJNekkid> sure... 14:16:23 <DJNekkid> whatever cheap is ... 14:16:28 <planetmaker> :-) 14:16:31 <planetmaker> 60ct a bottle 14:16:36 <planetmaker> na, less 14:16:50 <Ammler> bottle is half a litre? 14:16:59 <DJNekkid> bottle = 0.33l 14:17:02 <planetmaker> depends. 0.33 or 0.5 14:17:03 <DJNekkid> atleast here 14:17:19 <Ammler> here it is 0.5 or > 14:17:19 <DJNekkid> we have some that costs 10 or 11,- 14:17:34 <DJNekkid> thats like 1£ 14:17:46 <DJNekkid> thats cheap :) 14:18:00 <planetmaker> for a 0.33 bottle? hell, no, that's not cheap :-) 14:18:01 <Ammler> well, you pay that in stores? 14:18:10 <DJNekkid> we pay that in stores, for the cheap ones 14:18:17 <planetmaker> sure, that's what I'm talking about 14:18:34 <DJNekkid> an ok half litre on can is about 25kr ... 14:18:39 <DJNekkid> 2,50£ 14:18:50 <Ammler> 1€ for a bottle here 14:18:58 <Rubidium> Lidl/Aldi beer: 20 cents/30 cl; 'normal' stores more towards the 30-40 cents/30 cl (cents as in eurocents) 14:19:15 <DJNekkid> imported bottles (heineken, carlsberg and such) are around 20kr ... 14:19:43 <Rubidium> so 2-3.5 Norwegian kroner 14:20:50 <DJNekkid> hehe! 14:20:59 <DJNekkid> well, lots of this price is taxes tho... 14:21:19 <DJNekkid> light beer (not taxed for alco content) cost around 3-4kr a bottle 14:21:32 <planetmaker> hm... 12€ for 20 bottles or so is what you get here. 14:21:35 <Rubidium> Heineken costs ~4kr here 14:21:44 <Rubidium> per 30 cl bottle 14:21:48 <DJNekkid> imported or license? 14:21:58 <DJNekkid> unless you are in holland :) 14:22:46 <Rubidium> yeah, I'm in the NL 14:23:03 <Rubidium> although Warsteiner costs roughly the same, which is German (AFAIK) 14:23:27 <DJNekkid> hehe! 14:23:41 <DJNekkid> good thing we earn more then you guys :p 14:24:29 <planetmaker> yeah, Warsteiner is somewhere from this country 14:24:46 <DJNekkid> i have 180kr/hr as (roughly) an electrician 14:24:46 <Ammler> DJNekkid: you get more ;-) 14:24:57 <Ammler> !=earn 14:25:04 <DJNekkid> aprox 20e/hr 14:25:15 <Rubidium> DJNekkid: but let us compensate for the higher prices 14:25:28 <DJNekkid> hehe... 14:25:47 <Rubidium> BMI (Big Mac Index): Norway 5.79, Eurozone 4.38 14:25:48 <Ammler> well, you are a oil country :-P 14:26:18 <Rubidium> GDP per capita (IMF 2008): Norway 53,451, NL: 40,431 14:26:33 <Ammler> CH? 14:26:58 <DJNekkid> what currency is that Rubidium? 14:27:20 <Rubidium> DJNekkid: USD 14:27:25 <DJNekkid> oki 14:27:51 <Rubidium> anyhow, in Norway you can by 9247 Big Macs, in the NL 9231. Not much of a difference :) 14:28:06 <DJNekkid> hehe... 14:28:31 <DJNekkid> well, the nice thing with norwegian alco price politics, when we get abroad, its so incredibly cheap :) 14:28:34 <Rubidium> Ammler: CH BMI 5.60, GDP per capita 42,783 14:28:51 <DJNekkid> pub-prices are just above store-prices here 14:29:23 <Rubidium> oh shoot... I made a typo in my calc sheet 14:29:48 <Rubidium> 9232 Big Macs in Norway, 9231 in the Netherlands 14:29:57 <DJNekkid> lol! 14:30:02 <Rubidium> 7639 big macs in CH though 14:30:11 <DJNekkid> i can get more bigmacs then you! ha ha ha! :p 14:30:23 <Ammler> :'-( 14:30:34 <DJNekkid> but, you can get more beer then me :( 14:31:25 <Ammler> for me that wouldn't matter anymore. 14:31:38 <Rubidium> http://paste.openttd.org/216939 14:33:51 <Ammler> Hirundo: /msg *status connect 14:35:26 <Hirundo> Ammler: what does that command do? 14:35:39 <Ammler> reconnect, change hostmask 14:35:45 <Ammler> -mask 14:36:03 *** Hirundo has quit IRC 14:36:17 *** Hirundo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:36:22 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Hirundo 14:37:10 <Rubidium> no... no more Ammler highlighting... 14:37:21 <Ammler> yeah :-D 14:37:53 <Ammler> get rid of all ammler.ch links.... 14:40:39 <planetmaker> Hirundo: long time no seen :-) 14:40:44 <planetmaker> I hope you had a good time? 14:41:01 <Ammler> started college, iirc :-) 14:41:07 <Hirundo> I've started at university this year ^^ 14:41:14 <planetmaker> aye :-) 14:41:23 <planetmaker> what did you start where? 14:41:29 <Hirundo> At the same time moved to a new room, bought a notebook 14:41:47 <planetmaker> he... many changes. 14:42:02 <Hirundo> Only now I have installed IRC/mercurial/MSVC etc 14:42:20 <planetmaker> :-) 14:42:35 <Hirundo> I'm doing mechanical engineering or whatever it's called in english, studying in enschede 14:43:04 <planetmaker> do you mean something like building machinery or rather building bridges? 14:43:12 <Hirundo> building machinery 14:43:28 <planetmaker> :-) should be mechanical engineering then, I guess. 14:43:34 <Hirundo> i.e. big equipment that contains loads of steel :P 14:44:21 <planetmaker> haha :-) 14:44:35 <planetmaker> so I'll start blaming you, if steel and other metal prices go up 14:44:45 <DJNekkid> *when 14:45:01 <Ammler> isn't it already? 14:45:02 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: they did already again. 14:45:28 <planetmaker> like 100% increase since the down-turn at around late last year 14:48:33 <Hirundo> 159 trunk revs to merge... agin 14:48:54 <Hirundo> can't they halt developement out there ;) 14:48:56 <planetmaker> yeah... sorry... busy busy here 14:49:09 <Rubidium> Hirundo: OTTD trunk? 14:49:13 <DJNekkid> HMM 14:49:22 <DJNekkid> what more could i do in that excel-sheet :) 14:49:22 <Hirundo> yes 14:51:12 <Rubidium> but but... we do halt development... every day the 30 minutes around the nightly... more or less 14:51:19 <Rubidium> and the nights kinda halt development too 14:51:32 <planetmaker> you actually sleep?! 14:51:34 <Ammler> would it help, if the devzone would automatically update daily and complain if the merge doesn't work anymore? 14:51:42 <planetmaker> Ammler: no 14:52:53 <Ammler> belugans,petern and glx are quite silent. 14:53:17 <planetmaker> I think it wouldn't solve anything. 14:57:54 <Hirundo> not really, the merging itself is the easy part 14:58:41 <planetmaker> the testing and updating is the hard stuff ;-) 15:00:34 <DJNekkid> hmm ... 15:01:21 <DJNekkid> tr --help 15:01:37 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: ? 15:02:07 <DJNekkid> shouldnt "tr -s \t \b <test.txt >test2.txt" remove all "tabs" + 15:02:45 <DJNekkid> ? 15:03:13 <planetmaker> and replace by blank as I understand it. 15:03:40 <DJNekkid> it removes the tabs alright, but it adds a "-" 15:03:41 <planetmaker> hm, no. backspace 15:04:27 <Ammler> what is \b? 15:04:39 <DJNekkid> "backspace" 15:04:45 <Ammler> he 15:05:01 <Ammler> replace it by '' 15:11:28 <DJNekkid> i guess i gotta do that manually then... 15:12:09 <DJNekkid> but how can i make a "bat" file for you guys? pretty much the same, just .sh ? 15:13:00 <Ammler> DJNekkid: did you try with empty string? 15:13:13 <DJNekkid> ehm, no :) 15:13:26 <Ammler> [17:05] <Ammler> replace it by '' 15:13:47 <Ammler> that is ' ' just without space :-) 15:14:23 <Ammler> why do you need to remove tabs? 15:14:42 <DJNekkid> "next cell" is counted as a tab 15:15:08 <Ammler> yes, and that is bad? 15:15:21 <DJNekkid> sometimes ... 15:15:34 <Ammler> then but those in the same cell 15:15:37 <DJNekkid> when i want a \b<value> it turns to \b<tab><value> 15:15:53 <DJNekkid> #define XXX_YEAR \w 1997 -1-1 15:16:04 <DJNekkid> thoose squares (in my client) is tabs 15:16:11 <Ammler> yes, merge those things in exel 15:17:33 <DJNekkid> "when not truncating set1, string2 must be non-empty" 15:18:00 <DJNekkid> Ammler: im not sure that is actually possible? 15:18:06 <Ammler> that is for sure. 15:18:19 <Ammler> excel can do everything 15:18:39 <Ammler> as I said, you might be able to code the whole set with it :-P 15:18:45 <DJNekkid> up :) 15:18:48 <DJNekkid> yup 15:19:00 <Ammler> planetmaker: is a excel specialist. 15:19:43 <Ammler> oh, do you have openoffice on your pc? 15:19:51 <Rubidium> nah, he only excels in excelling in excellence 15:20:04 <Ammler> those files could maybe parsed directly. 15:21:01 <DJNekkid> well i've tried, and ive had a hard time to try to merge text and "cell" 15:21:38 <planetmaker> Ammler: I only use OpenOffice 15:21:39 <Ammler> something like concat(a1,b1) doesn't work? 15:22:00 <Ammler> or =a1 & b1 maybe... 15:22:02 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:22:06 <Ammler> I would need to try 15:22:17 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v ODM 15:22:27 <Hirundo> Merge completed 15:22:33 <Ammler> planetmaker: does it matter? 15:22:34 <DJNekkid> now that actually worked! 15:22:39 <DJNekkid> =AJ14&AI14 15:22:59 <Rubidium> anyhow, if you don't like much commits a week, track /branches/0.7 instead of /trunk :) 15:23:27 <DJNekkid> but now Ammler, what if i want to replace one of thoose cells with "pure text" ? 15:23:49 <Ammler> Rubidium: just the question, how easy it will be to jump from 0.7 to 0.8 15:23:54 <Brot6> feed DevZone had 12 updates, showing the latest 10 15:23:54 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 13348: (svn r17572) -Codechange: Use the Window::GetWidget() fu... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/13348 (by alberth) 15:23:54 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 13349: (svn r17573) -Codechange: NWID_SELECTION containers have... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/13349 (by alberth) 15:23:54 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 13350: (svn r17574) -Fix (r17573): Insert NWID_SELECTION in nes... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/13350 (by alberth) 15:23:58 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 13351: (svn r17575) -Codechange: Adding a new combined button+d... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/13351 (by alberth) 15:24:02 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 13352: (svn r17576) -Fix [FS#3208]: assertion triggered when th... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/13352 (by Rubidium) 15:24:06 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 13353: (svn r17577) -Codechange: Order window uses pure nested ... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/13353 (by alberth) 15:24:10 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 13354: (svn r17578) -Fix (r17572): Some compilers don't like de... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/13354 (by alberth) 15:24:14 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenDUNE - Revision 77: -Codechange: minor layout in mouse code @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opendune/repository/revisions/77 (by truebrain) 15:24:17 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 13355: Merge: trunk up to r17578 @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/13355 (by Hirundo) 15:24:18 <Ammler> mäh, I should really make the hook. 15:24:20 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenDUNE - Revision 78: -Add: converted a small snippet of the input handler @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opendune/repository/revisions/78 (by truebrain) 15:24:28 <DJNekkid> im gonna ignore brot6 for a while :) 15:24:39 <Ammler> :-) 15:24:57 <Ammler> maybe 10 is a bit high 15:25:02 <Rubidium> and it's already outdated :) 15:26:50 <Ammler> well, it isn't possible to have it public but hide it. 15:27:25 <Ammler> oh, you meant, Hirundo's merge is outdated :-) 15:28:31 <DJNekkid> but Ammler, any chance you find a "#define blabla \w<point-at-a-cell" ? 15:28:53 <DJNekkid> or ... i could ... 15:28:55 <DJNekkid> damn! 15:28:57 <DJNekkid> i could! 15:29:13 <Ammler> yes. 15:29:39 <Ammler> a1=#define blabla \w / b1=<point at a cell> 15:29:44 <Ammler> =a1&b1 15:30:23 <DJNekkid> well, thats not what i ment, but i think i just came up with an even better idea 15:30:23 <Ammler> well, #define and \w isn0t in A1 15:31:08 <DJNekkid> but as i saied, i came up with an even better idea... 15:31:15 <DJNekkid> now i dont have to replace the xxx'es 15:31:24 <DJNekkid> i'll show you in a few minutes 15:31:47 <Ammler> try to avoid redundancy and it will automatically be better :-P 15:33:11 <DJNekkid> yea 15:33:16 <DJNekkid> but damn, this works GREAT! 15:36:59 <DJNekkid> have a look now ammler, in the 2cc files 15:37:25 <Ammler> lunchy time :-P 15:37:28 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenDUNE - Revision 79: -Add: introduce 'bool' to make the goal of functions more clear, and fix ... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opendune/repository/revisions/79 (by truebrain) 15:37:28 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 13356: [IS] Codechange: Use Window::GetWidget instead of direct... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/13356 (by Hirundo) 15:37:28 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - 2cc-2.0.xls @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/413/2cc-2.0.xls (by DJNekkid) 15:38:52 <Ammler> but looks indeed nice 15:39:03 <DJNekkid> hehe! 15:39:05 <Ammler> now, think about, how to parse it :-P 15:39:40 <Rubidium> hmm, making xls files as source? 15:39:57 <Ammler> well, it is already 15:40:10 <Ammler> the source for the properities 15:40:47 <Rubidium> yes-ish, but looks like DJNekkid wants to automatically generate nfo-ish out of the xls sheet 15:40:48 <Ammler> hmm, excel files are binary 15:41:01 <Rubidium> Ammler: no kidding :) 15:41:08 <Ammler> :-) 15:41:11 <Rubidium> good luck finding out what he changed 15:41:29 <DJNekkid> Rubidium: not autogenerating ... i still need to copy/paste :p 15:48:59 <DJNekkid> are there any way to devide something, but end up with a whole number? 15:49:26 <DJNekkid> for example, 50/3 = 16,67, but i want 0 places behind the , 15:51:39 <Ammler> round :-P 15:51:52 <Ammler> just think and use the help :-P 15:52:31 <planetmaker> but indeed a diff for a binary file is next to worthless. 15:52:56 <Ammler> well, couldn't you use openoffice and disable the compression? 15:53:05 <DJNekkid> i am useing openoffice ... 15:53:13 <planetmaker> maybe one could 15:53:23 <Ammler> :-) 15:54:02 <Ammler> DJNekkid: and why do you save as xls? 15:54:23 <DJNekkid> just because! :p 15:54:29 <Ammler> well, the ods is also binary. 15:54:37 <Ammler> it would need something uncompressed. 15:54:49 <DJNekkid> i dunno, it were xls when i started, and has continued 15:56:04 <DJNekkid> i _could_ save a html as well ? 15:56:28 <planetmaker> well. Any text format is better than a binary spreadsheet 15:56:37 <planetmaker> I'd prefer csv, though 15:56:53 <planetmaker> if it's possible 15:57:53 <planetmaker> xls can be read by probably 95% of the people, odc maybe 50%(?) and csv by 100% :-) 15:58:08 <DJNekkid> eek! completely free of formatting! 15:59:23 <planetmaker> and 100% trackable of what changed 16:00:01 <DJNekkid> well, the a0s.pnfo will still be diffable ... ? 16:00:02 <Ammler> well, on csv you will lose some formating 16:00:08 <planetmaker> given your commit messages it's a clear bonus ;-) 16:00:37 <Ammler> I would make a uncompressed ods document, if possible. 16:01:02 <planetmaker> Ammler: not sure whether it's easily feasable... 16:01:24 <Ammler> yes, I have no clue, bu I wonder :-) 16:01:31 <Ammler> but* 16:03:00 <planetmaker> what is it actually which you now (want) to store in the odc / xls / whatever file? 16:03:18 <DJNekkid> engine stats 16:03:30 <DJNekkid> actually, it were ammlers idea about a week ago 16:03:47 <planetmaker> ok. And what's wrong with a simple list which then can be saved as cvs? 16:04:05 <planetmaker> like the author list of who did what in opengfx? 16:04:12 <Ammler> my idea? 16:04:32 <DJNekkid> yes Ammler... your idea :) 16:04:32 <Ammler> I was more joking... 16:04:39 <planetmaker> that's something which actually *could* be processed directly from the cvs. 16:04:45 <Ammler> as I said, code the whole set with excel :-P 16:04:46 <planetmaker> into the (p)nfo 16:05:07 <planetmaker> I'm honestly not happy with having primary source in xls or odc format 16:05:10 <DJNekkid> remember the "bulk change" talk? 16:05:16 <planetmaker> yes, I do. 16:05:22 <planetmaker> But doesn't change my position :-) 16:05:32 <planetmaker> cvs is still fine for that. 16:05:45 <Ammler> planetmaker: it is for 2cc v1 16:05:51 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenDUNE - Revision 80: [LibEMU] -Add: a better timer for Windows (glx) @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opendune/repository/revisions/80 (by truebrain) 16:05:51 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 13357: [IS] Codechange: Use SetStringParameters instead of Draw... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/13357 (by Hirundo) 16:05:52 <planetmaker> If it's the only place to modify those things... 16:05:59 <planetmaker> oh? I thought you planned v2 :-) 16:06:05 <Ammler> no 16:06:05 <DJNekkid> i am 16:06:10 <planetmaker> :-D 16:06:23 <Ammler> I meant, v1 has a excel file too 16:06:37 <planetmaker> yes. Doesn't make it the best of choices, though 16:07:07 <planetmaker> hm... the longer I think of it, the better I like the cvs idea 16:07:25 <planetmaker> pro: you can edit vehicle stats in a spreadsheet and adjust them nicely that way 16:07:44 <planetmaker> pro: you could then post-process the thing in order to generate the action 0s from the saved cvs 16:07:51 <Ammler> it should be somehow parseable 16:07:53 <planetmaker> con: the spreadsheet will look... very basic 16:07:58 <Ammler> maybe a nice awk script 16:07:59 <planetmaker> cvs is parsable 16:08:23 <planetmaker> at least in principle :-) 16:08:39 <DJNekkid> planetmaker: my idea were to just copy/paste an area from the spreadsheet into a file, and use "tr" to exchange ,'s to "newlines" 16:08:40 <Ammler> hmm, but awk is not in the default msys 16:09:01 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: that's more error prone than a script. And you'd need to do it for every change 16:09:09 <planetmaker> and then you forget, or mis-paste and stuff 16:09:15 <Ammler> and you couldn't track the changes 16:09:26 <planetmaker> and we're then there where we're now: at a stage where the source differs from the tracking table 16:09:52 <Ammler> using excel is only an alternative, if we could save it in a textformat 16:10:06 <planetmaker> and cannot be changed as changed vehicle IDs would make stuff incompatible. 16:10:42 <planetmaker> hm... 16:14:34 <planetmaker> cvs doesn't store foruma, does it? 16:14:40 <planetmaker> *csv 16:18:02 <Brot6> 2cctrainset: no commit since last failed compile, compile skipped (r268) 16:18:03 <Brot6> firs: nightly compile not needed. (r217) 16:18:04 <Brot6> fish: update from r111 to r119, starting nightly compile 16:18:23 <Brot6> fish: compile done (1 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/fish/nightlies/ 16:18:23 <Brot6> heqs: nightly compile not needed. (r169) 16:18:23 <Brot6> nmts: nightly compile not needed. (r14) 16:18:23 <Brot6> opengfx: nightly compile not needed. (r200) 16:18:24 <Brot6> opensfx: nightly compile not needed. (r41) 16:18:25 <Brot6> worldairlineset: nightly compile not needed. (r538) 16:24:11 <DJNekkid> *sigh* 16:30:21 <planetmaker> Hm... I don't find an easy format 16:31:20 <planetmaker> hm... best I can propose is to have a <whatever> spreadsheet and save that as csv and have that than processed into the action 0s. 16:31:51 <planetmaker> but have a "normal" spreadsheet as "source" which then is saved over the csv when changes are made. 16:32:33 <planetmaker> e.g. it would mean to have the thing twice: once in a nicer format which is edited. 16:32:47 <planetmaker> and once in the csv format which then is translated into the action0 16:33:11 <planetmaker> and the csv is never edited directly but always is a result of saving the nicer formatted spreadsheet 16:34:06 <planetmaker> in principle this could be avoided by using XML as file format. But I definitely don't feel like writing a XML parser 16:34:45 <DJNekkid> hehe 16:35:08 <DJNekkid> i still need to find out how do devide stuff with 0 comma-spaces 16:35:27 <planetmaker> well. What I propose is to have a "normal" spreadsheet 16:35:36 <planetmaker> nothing needs to be divided there by commata. 16:35:46 <planetmaker> just everything in its own column and row 16:36:27 <planetmaker> like MyTrainName MyEngineID MyRailType MyBaseCost MyCost MyCapacity MyIntroDate ... 16:36:37 <planetmaker> one line per engine. Each with the same order for things. 16:37:20 <planetmaker> that can be easily converted to a csv by your spreadsheet programme of choice to a csv 16:37:44 <planetmaker> the csv will, though, forget about formula which you use in the spreadsheet. 16:37:45 <DJNekkid> im not sure if you know this, but there are things calculated there as well, P-cost and Rcost amongst other things... 16:37:55 <planetmaker> that's why we need it twice. 16:38:02 <planetmaker> also in the "normal" spreadsheet format 16:38:18 <planetmaker> yes, I know 16:38:39 <planetmaker> otherwise there'd be no point for using such programme in the first place 16:38:49 <DJNekkid> aye 16:39:29 <planetmaker> hm... 16:39:33 * planetmaker wonders 16:39:38 <DJNekkid> about what? 16:39:46 <planetmaker> couldn't that be done via macros in the source? ;-) 16:40:13 <planetmaker> what things actually need calculation and in what way? 16:40:58 <DJNekkid> Rcost, Pcost, TE-number, mail and armor capacity 16:41:20 <planetmaker> cool OpenOffice crashed on 2cctrainset's tracking table 16:41:34 <DJNekkid> i use openoffice :) 16:41:41 <planetmaker> and in what way are they calculated? 16:41:59 <DJNekkid> TE: 16:41:59 <DJNekkid> =(L14/((P14*9,8)))*255 16:42:11 <DJNekkid> and the costs ... 16:42:25 <DJNekkid> =(HVIS(G14=J;J;1))*(HVIS(K;K;1))*(HVIS(G14=M;M;1))*(HVIS(H14=E;E;1))*(HVIS(H14=G;G;1))*(((SUMMER(AD14:AI14))^$V)*3) 16:42:29 <DJNekkid> hvis = norwegian for "if" 16:42:44 <planetmaker> err... 16:42:54 <planetmaker> well. can you translate to something understandable? 16:43:16 <planetmaker> obviously I don't have the sheet at my eyes' disposal... 16:43:30 <DJNekkid> hehe 16:44:06 <DJNekkid> the IF's are if what kind of train it is, and what traction it use 16:44:58 <DJNekkid> the summerizeing is it sum up some numbers... 16:45:22 <DJNekkid> basicly, what speed, what HP, etc ... 16:45:42 <planetmaker> well. The question is: is that needed in the tracking sheet or can it be done by the pre-processor and by means of macros? 16:46:00 <planetmaker> basically, they're calculated from other action0 properties, right? 16:46:11 <DJNekkid> right 16:46:46 <planetmaker> so... basically that calculation could be done by the makefile, too, right? 16:46:55 *** Beardie has quit IRC 16:46:58 <DJNekkid> probably 16:47:15 <planetmaker> but it would look... funky for nfo: 16:47:46 <planetmaker> action("Name",rail-type,base-cost,run-cost,...) 16:47:57 <planetmaker> instead of -01 * 00 ... 16:48:23 <planetmaker> It would mean to take it to a level nearly like Yorick implemented some stuff for WAS... 16:48:35 <DJNekkid> well, not entierly ... 16:48:55 <DJNekkid> my plan were to use the templates, and on top it have something similar as it already have 16:49:09 <DJNekkid> define THIS_ENGINE_HP nnn_HP 16:49:19 <DJNekkid> define THIS_ENGINE_TE nnn_TE 16:49:20 *** Audigex has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:49:32 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Audigex 16:49:36 <DJNekkid> and then do a ctrl-h and replace all nnn with, for example, ICE3 16:49:39 <planetmaker> sure v2 should be nicely template-ized. 16:49:52 <DJNekkid> my wife gives her regards :) 16:50:02 <planetmaker> :-) thx. Give here mine :-) 16:50:30 <planetmaker> but the #define THIS_ENINGE_HP nn_HP 16:50:34 <Audigex> tell your wife i said hi too 16:50:40 <Audigex> *your' 16:51:07 <Audigex> I guess I should put *I,*Tell and *too. in there aswell, if I'm being all grammar-nazi :p 16:51:15 <planetmaker> doesn't exclude the use of a macro like Action0("TrainName",THIS_ENGINE_RAIL_TYPE,THIS_ENGINE_TE,...) 16:51:21 <planetmaker> not at all actually. 16:51:33 <planetmaker> hm... actually. It would be easier then ;-) 16:51:44 <planetmaker> no need to define the derived values then. 16:52:04 <planetmaker> maybe we should then really pull of the thing like that 16:52:51 <planetmaker> ok... but still then, the tracking table might be completely out-of-sync with the (pasted) templates 16:53:42 <planetmaker> so... still saving (additionally) the tracking table as csv and having the #define THIS_ENGINE... or rather generated from it... hm... 16:53:45 <planetmaker> difficult 16:54:05 <planetmaker> Mind, that I'm just thinking aloud 17:00:24 <DJNekkid> but now, its a footballmatch ... 17:00:27 <DJNekkid> tty 2morrow :) 17:04:15 *** Audigex has left #openttdcoop.devzone 17:06:59 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:07:04 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v andythenorth 17:13:03 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenDUNE - Revision 81: -Codechange: put variables from memory in a struct, for easy naming and r... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opendune/repository/revisions/81 (by truebrain) 17:13:03 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenDUNE - Revision 82: -Codechange: a bit of renaming, making functions static, fixing coding-st... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opendune/repository/revisions/82 (by truebrain) 17:13:03 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenDUNE - Revision 83: -Fix: MSVC compatibility and project update (glx) @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opendune/repository/revisions/83 (by truebrain) 17:17:16 *** Doorslammer has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:17:21 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Doorslammer 17:26:02 <Ammler> ok, disable dune for now :-) 17:29:51 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: #openttdcoop - Wiki edit: Welcome (#27) @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/16/wiki/Welcome?version=27 (by planetmaker) 17:29:51 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 13347: (svn r17571) -Fix [FS#3213] (r17569): town view didn't s... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/13347 (by Rubidium) 17:29:51 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 13348: (svn r17572) -Codechange: Use the Window::GetWidget() fu... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/13348 (by alberth) 17:29:52 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 13349: (svn r17573) -Codechange: NWID_SELECTION containers have... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/13349 (by alberth) 17:29:56 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 118: Change bow / prop wash for Small River Boat @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/118 (by andythenorth) 17:29:59 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 119: Change: improved bow / prop wash for River Boats @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/119 (by andythenorth) 17:30:05 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 13350: (svn r17574) -Fix (r17573): Insert NWID_SELECTION in nes... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/13350 (by alberth) 17:43:34 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 120: Change: graphical tweaks to Small Coaster @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/120 (by andythenorth) 17:52:38 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 121: Change: graphical tweaks to Medium Coaster @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/121 (by andythenorth) 18:00:51 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 122: Change: graphical tweaks to Large Coaster @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/122 (by andythenorth) 18:04:05 <Brot6> is2: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/OpenTTD/infrastructure-sharing/ initiated. 18:11:20 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 123: Change: graphical tweaks to Small River Boat @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/123 (by andythenorth) 18:15:09 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 124: Change: graphical tweaks to Large RiverBoat @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/124 (by andythenorth) 18:15:09 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 125: Change: graphical tweaks to Large RiverBoat @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/125 (by andythenorth) 18:35:20 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 126: Change: renamed a bunch of psds to make them easier to work with on the file... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/126 (by andythenorth) 18:35:20 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 127: Add: source file for Paddle Steamer @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/127 (by andythenorth) 18:35:20 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 128: Change: fixed silly mistake in naming of layers in Small Coaster source @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/128 (by andythenorth) 18:53:38 <DJNekkid> yea! 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