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01:33:51 <Brot6> Backup done! (Usage: 100M) 01:33:52 <Brot6> This PORCUPINE knows his ZIPCODE ... And he has "VISA"!! 01:37:35 *** Audigex has quit IRC 02:12:37 *** Chris_Booth has quit IRC 05:45:22 *** DJNekkid has quit IRC 06:01:56 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Feature #577: Remove the mess with preversion tags @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/577#change-1436 (by foobar) 06:51:53 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Feature #577: Remove the mess with preversion tags @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/577#change-1437 (by planetmaker) 06:56:20 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Feature #577: Remove the mess with preversion tags @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/577#change-1438 (by Ammler) 06:56:36 <Ammler> :-) 06:56:44 <Ammler> guten Morgen planetmaker 07:12:22 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Feature #577: Remove the mess with preversion tags @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/577#change-1438 (by Ammler) 07:44:23 <planetmaker> guten Morgen Ammler :-) 07:45:48 <Ammler> opensuse has 8 big 07:46:09 <Ammler> opensuse had 8 big building hosts, current 6 of them are down... 07:56:33 <planetmaker> :-O 07:56:36 <planetmaker> is that usual? 08:42:28 <planetmaker> thanks for cleaning up the opengfx issue list, Ammler :-) 08:42:41 <planetmaker> just saw all those e-mails now 08:42:53 <Ammler> planetmaker: no, it isn't 08:43:19 <Ammler> the first time I used it, the build was done after a hour, now it takes a day. 08:43:40 <Ammler> well, IRC says, help is on the way :-) 08:58:24 <Rubidium> so now you can calculate the default idleness of the servers :) 08:59:14 <Rubidium> although you need to know how long the 6 were down 08:59:23 <Rubidium> so you can account for the backlog etc. 09:00:15 <Rubidium> be happy you're not building for one of the more exotic Debian architectures 09:04:31 <Ammler> currently there are 4k i686 package waiting for building. 09:04:56 <Ammler> 3k 64 09:15:00 <planetmaker> ups. That's a lot 09:16:54 <Ammler> those 8 server runned around 200 VMs, If I understood right 09:17:23 <Rubidium> all depends on how long compiles take on that server 09:17:56 <Ammler> there are some (KDE) which needs 3 hours or so... 09:18:31 <Ammler> openttd compiled almost as fast as on my client. 09:20:02 <Rubidium> gcc-4.4 (all languages) takes 6.5 hours for Debian's AMD64 builder and 105 hours on armel 09:21:32 <Ammler> they are quite busy there, i shouldn't ask too many dummy questions ;-) 09:22:49 <Ammler> kernel-default takes 2 hours 09:23:00 <Ammler> is that much ? ^ 09:23:14 <Ammler> looks like long... 09:23:35 <Ammler> maybe I should compile a kernel myself once. 09:27:33 <Rubidium> depends what is compiled into the kernel 09:27:43 <Rubidium> which probably is "everything" 09:27:47 <Rubidium> and then it's going to take a while 09:34:39 <Rubidium> and they'll probably run everything with 1 core (or even less) 09:54:58 *** Chris_Booth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 09:55:03 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Chris_Booth 12:50:30 *** mark has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:50:45 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v mark 13:36:18 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:36:33 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v ODM 14:02:24 *** Beardie has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:02:29 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Beardie 14:11:42 *** Doorslammer has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:11:47 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Doorslammer 15:03:39 *** Doorslammer has quit IRC 15:04:33 *** Doorslammer has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:04:38 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Doorslammer 15:10:41 *** mark__ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:10:45 *** mark__ has quit IRC 15:14:33 *** mark has quit IRC 15:16:28 *** mark has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:16:32 *** Audigex has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:16:44 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v mark 15:17:04 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Audigex 16:12:27 *** DJNekkid has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:12:32 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v DJNekkid 16:18:01 <Brot6> 2cctrainset: nightly compile not needed. (r269) 16:18:02 <Brot6> firs: nightly compile not needed. (r217) 16:18:02 <Brot6> fish: nightly compile not needed. (r132) 16:18:03 <Brot6> heqs: nightly compile not needed. (r169) 16:18:03 <Brot6> nmts: nightly compile not needed. (r14) 16:18:03 <Brot6> opengfx: update from r201 to r203, starting nightly compile 16:19:01 <Brot6> opengfx: compile done (0 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/opengfx/nightlies/ 16:19:02 <Brot6> opensfx: nightly compile not needed. (r41) 16:19:02 <Brot6> worldairlineset: nightly compile not needed. (r538) 16:25:17 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Feature #578: Makefile: unix2dos for txt files @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/578 (by Ammler) 16:56:12 *** Brot6 has quit IRC 16:56:29 *** Brot6 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:56:34 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Brot6 16:57:58 *** Audigex has quit IRC 17:50:53 *** mark has quit IRC 17:52:43 *** mark has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:52:58 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v mark 17:56:11 *** Doorslammer has left #openttdcoop.devzone 18:15:09 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:15:14 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v andythenorth 18:20:36 *** Audigex has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:20:48 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Audigex 18:46:10 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 18:53:13 *** Audigex has quit IRC 18:58:17 *** DJNekkid has quit IRC 19:23:25 <planetmaker> Ammler: concerning ^#578: mind, if it's windows style txt files always in the tar / zip / bz2 ? 19:24:29 <Ammler> planetmaker: it can be everywhere except repo and source package 19:24:47 <Ammler> and it should at least the txt files, which you get from the zip 19:25:14 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:25:19 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v andythenorth 19:25:20 <Ammler> or we supply different bundles, but that is overkill, imo. 19:25:25 <planetmaker> well. It's easiest, if I add it to the general generation of the txt files (which are parsed through sed anyway) 19:25:53 <Ammler> and that wouldn't be used with make install ? 19:26:29 <planetmaker> it would be used with that, too. 19:26:37 <Ammler> (that is how I create the rpms) 19:26:47 <planetmaker> Only place it wouldn't be used as I see that is source-repo 19:27:02 <planetmaker> but I'd not use unix2dos but just another sed call 19:28:21 <planetmaker> sed -e 's/$/\r/' inputfile > outputfile # UNIX to DOS (adding CRs) 19:29:20 <Ammler> well, but rpm and I assume debian does create the pack with make install 19:29:27 <Ammler> so it shouldn't happen there :-) 19:29:43 <Ammler> maybe a parameter then 19:30:18 <Ammler> which we can add to the compiler on the server 19:32:31 <planetmaker> make install uses the usual tar creation... 19:32:46 <planetmaker> and which actually ends up on bananas. 19:33:49 <Ammler> those aren't unix2doslet? 19:33:58 <Ammler> wouldn't? 19:34:35 <Ammler> hmm, make install should btw also install the docs :-) 19:35:52 <planetmaker> it does. 19:36:08 <planetmaker> make install creates a tar and then copies the tar to where the INSTALLDIR is 19:36:18 <Ammler> yes, and the docs? 19:36:23 <planetmaker> are in the tar? 19:36:30 <Ammler> well, no issue with rpm 19:36:43 <Ammler> dunno, how debian does it. 19:37:26 <planetmaker> well. The tar is the kinda "primary" thing generated. Or maybe the dir with the final grf. But it has everything 19:39:45 <planetmaker> BUNDLE_FILES = $(GRF_FILENAMES) $(DOC_FILENAMES) $(OBG_FILE) 19:40:41 <planetmaker> I guess it doesn't hurt to have it \r\n in any released thing, does it? 19:41:05 <planetmaker> Sources, of course, being unix style \n 19:41:08 <Ammler> on our releases, it doesn't 19:41:22 <Ammler> but package maintainer wouldn't like it 19:41:26 <planetmaker> well. Also nightlies will have \r\n ... 19:41:28 <planetmaker> hm... 19:41:46 <Ammler> they used dos2unix for alpha6 19:41:50 <planetmaker> but that'd mean I'd need to detect somehow the target platform 19:42:06 <Ammler> no 19:42:09 <planetmaker> and I cannot detect it. It'd need to be a parameter 19:42:28 <Ammler> we could define that in the Makefile.nightly 19:42:38 <planetmaker> hm... do the distros use make install? 19:42:41 <planetmaker> I guess not... 19:42:48 <planetmaker> or? 19:42:48 <Ammler> I do 19:42:53 <planetmaker> well. I do, too 19:42:59 <Ammler> and they use at least make 19:43:10 <Ammler> fedora did install them self 19:43:19 <Ammler> but if make install works, it would be neat. 19:43:24 <planetmaker> but the point is: how shall I know whether I generate a bundle for everybody's use (win style) or only linux (for distro builders and unix users) 19:43:56 <planetmaker> I see no clean solution to that dilemma^ 19:44:04 <planetmaker> other than yet another config option 19:44:07 <Ammler> e.g. with a Makefile.config var? 19:44:12 <planetmaker> yeah 19:44:21 <planetmaker> in Makefile.local 19:44:31 <Ammler> like you detect the install location 19:44:39 <planetmaker> Nope. 19:44:43 <Ammler> ? 19:44:54 <planetmaker> Or your compile farm would build linux style line endings 19:44:57 <planetmaker> which we don't want 19:45:08 <Ammler> but I can overwrite that var there :-P 19:45:13 <planetmaker> :-P 19:45:23 <planetmaker> well. You could. We can do that that way. 19:45:33 <planetmaker> shall be fine with me 19:45:49 <Ammler> well, if that is too much hassle 19:45:58 <planetmaker> that isn't. 19:46:02 <planetmaker> it's rather your hassle 19:46:33 <planetmaker> I'd run a replacement. And on unix I'd replace \n by \n... :-P 19:46:50 <Ammler> but we need a sep var, you know :-P 19:46:55 <planetmaker> yes, I do. 19:47:00 *** DJNekkid has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:47:05 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v DJNekkid 19:47:12 <planetmaker> like NEWLINE="\n" 19:47:20 <Ammler> you could btw. also use tr 19:47:22 <planetmaker> or NEWLINE="\r\n" 19:47:27 <planetmaker> yes, I know 19:47:28 <Ammler> should be core tool 19:47:33 <planetmaker> But I already use sed on it. 19:47:46 <planetmaker> so I'll stick with it there 19:52:59 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 270: added even more stuff to the .xls (model/vehicle life, if wagon is ... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/270 (by DJNekkid) 19:54:40 <Ammler> oh, we should add the "unzip/zip" hooks 19:55:36 <planetmaker> ? 19:55:42 <Rubidium> ! 19:56:00 <planetmaker> :-P 19:56:39 <Rubidium> only can't remember what modelling language that belongs to 19:59:21 <Ammler> strange is if I unzip/zip a ods with ark, I can read it again with calc 19:59:31 <Ammler> but if I do it with console, it fails. 19:59:40 <Ammler> also the size does change. 20:14:20 <Ammler> planetmaker: rpm does install the docs to /usr/share/doc/packages/opengfx 20:14:47 <Ammler> openttd to /usr/share/doc/openttd, afaik 20:15:53 <Ammler> I guess, packages is used, if make install doesn't do it, macro %doc 20:16:38 <Rubidium> ... --doc-dir ANYONE? 20:16:53 <Ammler> afaik :-P 20:17:17 <Ammler> only guessed... 20:18:11 <Rubidium> so s/afaik/I guess/ 20:18:30 <Ammler> sorry, true. 20:19:36 <Ammler> need again to check the openttd spec 20:20:06 <Ammler> maybe it is set by spec then. 20:23:40 <Ammler> planetmaker: any experience on creating opengfx without renum? 20:24:31 <Ammler> (or someone else) 20:25:48 <Rubidium> heffer 20:26:07 <Rubidium> i.e. fedora 20:26:52 <Ammler> he told, he will use renum next time 20:28:07 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 539: Updated some Running Costs and Purchase Costs @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/539 (by Beardie27) 20:34:45 <planetmaker> Ammler: well... it works. But it's ugly 20:35:00 <Ammler> ugly in which kind? 20:35:20 <planetmaker> many grfcodec warnings at least 20:35:28 <planetmaker> dunno anymore whether there were also errors 20:35:35 <Ammler> but final grf is the same? 20:35:40 <planetmaker> didn't check 20:35:58 <Ammler> I try that out 20:36:11 <planetmaker> happened to me by accident: missing renum binary ;-) 20:36:27 <Ammler> shouldn't make exit then? 20:36:52 <Ammler> well, actually, it is good so I can check, if that works. 20:40:00 <planetmaker> there's not need for it to work 20:40:27 <Ammler> well, nforenum is very complicated to build 20:40:47 <Ammler> build worked, checking md5sums 20:41:14 <Ammler> I could add exception for old versions 20:41:20 <Ammler> as it works on the newer... 20:41:21 <planetmaker> well. *I* can build it. Even on mac. On linux it's not that complicated, is it? 20:41:38 <Ammler> feel free to build it on my server 20:41:52 <planetmaker> I build it on mine... 20:41:58 <Ammler> 10.3? 20:42:02 <planetmaker> 11.1 20:42:13 <Ammler> that is why I said "on my" :-P 20:42:32 <Ammler> planetmaker: have you a novell account? 20:42:36 <planetmaker> no 20:42:55 <Ammler> I could add you, so you can see the logs. 20:43:40 <planetmaker> hm, damn. My linux box is offline :O 20:43:41 <Ammler> hmm, I created a openttdcoop account 20:43:45 <Ammler> you could use that 20:43:54 <planetmaker> uhm... 20:44:11 <planetmaker> why would I want a novel account? 20:44:37 <Ammler> https://build.opensuse.org/project/show?project=home%3Aammler 20:44:40 <Webster> Title: openSUSE: Login (at build.opensuse.org) 20:46:17 <Ammler> planetmaker: you should know, suse belongs to novell 20:46:26 <Ammler> they are the "big" sponsor :-) 20:46:50 <planetmaker> Ammler: I know that novel bought Suse some years ago. 20:47:44 <Ammler> the novell account is used for all suse services. 20:48:39 <planetmaker> But I don't need suse services so far :-D 20:49:40 <Ammler> well, i pmd you the coop account 20:49:52 <planetmaker> yup, I saw that, I loged in 20:51:04 <planetmaker> ... but... what now? 20:51:10 <Ammler> then click on the package, i.e. nforenum 20:51:22 <Rubidium> isn't Novell that company that did blend Windows, Mac and SuSE? 20:51:59 <Ammler> blend? 20:52:13 <planetmaker> it's that one with the mutual license agreement with MS 20:52:22 <Rubidium> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NeR2LyILWQ 20:52:23 <Webster> Title: YouTube - Will it blend? (at www.youtube.com) 20:55:50 <Ammler> he, where is suse that famous? 20:56:06 <Rubidium> novell paid quite a bit 20:56:10 <planetmaker> it used to be the most famous one in Germany a few years back 20:56:30 <Ammler> preUbuntu ;-) 20:56:35 <planetmaker> yup. 20:56:42 <planetmaker> I still have my Suse 5.3 CDs :-) 20:56:56 <Ammler> I should have a 7box 20:57:37 <Ammler> but needed another 3 full versions to use it as default dektop 21:04:51 <Ammler> Rubidium: novell made some nice linux movies ;-) 21:04:57 <Ammler> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtp5gNhBZgo 21:04:58 <Webster> Title: YouTube - Novell Linux - Apple Ad Spoof (1st) (at www.youtube.com) 21:51:14 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 21:53:49 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:53:54 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v andythenorth 21:56:07 <Beardie> Ammler is it possible to turn forum posts into a RSS feed? 21:58:26 <Ammler> yes, they can be added 21:58:29 <Beardie> Because Ammler i was thinking of getting the BROS forum and seeing if we could have that appear as a RSS feed when a new post is made in the #bros chat like Brot6 21:58:46 <Ammler> bros forum isn't on the devzone 21:58:55 <Beardie> no 21:59:04 <Beardie> would it have to be on devzone? 21:59:06 <Ammler> well, you need to enable rss feeds there 21:59:13 <Beardie> on the forum? 21:59:25 <Ammler> then give me the link to the feed and I add it to brot 21:59:39 <Beardie> right 21:59:48 *** andythenorth_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:59:53 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v andythenorth_ 21:59:56 <Beardie> well i think welshdragon ahs to do that because he runs the forum 22:00:18 <Ammler> maybe it does already? 22:01:23 <Beardie> if it does i wouldn;t know where to look 22:01:54 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 22:02:37 *** ODM has quit IRC 22:03:37 <Ammler> planetmaker: if I run make install with source release, it installs a opengfx-nightly.tar 22:04:01 <Brot6> 2cctrainset: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/OpenTTD/2cctrainset/ initiated. 22:07:12 <Ammler> but the obg file is fine 22:07:49 *** andythenorth_ has quit IRC 22:11:59 <Ammler> ogfxe_extra.grf has an other md5sum 22:15:27 *** Beardie has quit IRC 22:16:52 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Feature #578: Makefile: unix2dos for txt files @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/578#change-1439 (by athanasios) 22:17:34 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 22:17:39 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v andythenorth 22:25:39 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 22:29:37 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 22:29:42 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v andythenorth 22:41:39 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 23:31:43 *** Chris_Booth has quit IRC