Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 22nd September 2009:
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01:33:51  <Brot6> Backup done! (Usage: 100M)
01:33:52  <Brot6> This PORCUPINE knows his ZIPCODE ... And he has "VISA"!!
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06:01:56  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Feature #577: Remove the mess with preversion tags @ (by foobar)
06:51:53  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Feature #577: Remove the mess with preversion tags @ (by planetmaker)
06:56:20  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Feature #577: Remove the mess with preversion tags @ (by Ammler)
06:56:36  <Ammler> :-)
06:56:44  <Ammler> guten Morgen planetmaker
07:12:22  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Feature #577: Remove the mess with preversion tags @ (by Ammler)
07:44:23  <planetmaker> guten Morgen Ammler :-)
07:45:48  <Ammler> opensuse has 8 big
07:46:09  <Ammler> opensuse had 8 big building hosts, current 6 of them are down...
07:56:33  <planetmaker> :-O
07:56:36  <planetmaker> is that usual?
08:42:28  <planetmaker> thanks for cleaning up the opengfx issue list, Ammler :-)
08:42:41  <planetmaker> just saw all those e-mails now
08:42:53  <Ammler> planetmaker: no, it isn't
08:43:19  <Ammler> the first time I used it, the build was done after a hour, now it takes a day.
08:43:40  <Ammler> well, IRC says, help is on the way :-)
08:58:24  <Rubidium> so now you can calculate the default idleness of the servers :)
08:59:14  <Rubidium> although you need to know how long the 6 were down
08:59:23  <Rubidium> so you can account for the backlog etc.
09:00:15  <Rubidium> be happy you're not building for one of the more exotic Debian architectures
09:04:31  <Ammler> currently there are 4k i686 package waiting for building.
09:04:56  <Ammler> 3k 64
09:15:00  <planetmaker> ups. That's a lot
09:16:54  <Ammler> those 8 server runned around 200 VMs, If I understood right
09:17:23  <Rubidium> all depends on how long compiles take on that server
09:17:56  <Ammler> there are some (KDE) which needs 3 hours or so...
09:18:31  <Ammler> openttd compiled almost as fast as on my client.
09:20:02  <Rubidium> gcc-4.4 (all languages) takes 6.5 hours for Debian's AMD64 builder and 105 hours on armel
09:21:32  <Ammler> they are quite busy there, i shouldn't ask too many dummy questions ;-)
09:22:49  <Ammler> kernel-default takes 2 hours
09:23:00  <Ammler> is that much ? ^
09:23:14  <Ammler> looks like long...
09:23:35  <Ammler> maybe I should compile a kernel myself once.
09:27:33  <Rubidium> depends what is compiled into the kernel
09:27:43  <Rubidium> which probably is "everything"
09:27:47  <Rubidium> and then it's going to take a while
09:34:39  <Rubidium> and they'll probably run everything with 1 core (or even less)
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16:18:01  <Brot6> 2cctrainset: nightly compile not needed. (r269)
16:18:02  <Brot6> firs: nightly compile not needed. (r217)
16:18:02  <Brot6> fish: nightly compile not needed. (r132)
16:18:03  <Brot6> heqs: nightly compile not needed. (r169)
16:18:03  <Brot6> nmts: nightly compile not needed. (r14)
16:18:03  <Brot6> opengfx: update from r201 to r203, starting nightly compile
16:19:01  <Brot6> opengfx: compile done (0 errors) -
16:19:02  <Brot6> opensfx: nightly compile not needed. (r41)
16:19:02  <Brot6> worldairlineset: nightly compile not needed. (r538)
16:25:17  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Feature #578: Makefile: unix2dos for txt files @ (by Ammler)
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19:23:25  <planetmaker> Ammler: concerning ^#578: mind, if it's windows style txt files always in the tar / zip / bz2 ?
19:24:29  <Ammler> planetmaker: it can be everywhere except repo and source package
19:24:47  <Ammler> and it should at least the txt files, which you get from the zip
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19:25:20  <Ammler> or we supply different bundles, but that is overkill, imo.
19:25:25  <planetmaker> well. It's easiest, if I add it to the general generation of the txt files (which are parsed through sed anyway)
19:25:53  <Ammler> and that wouldn't be used with make install ?
19:26:29  <planetmaker> it would be used with that, too.
19:26:37  <Ammler> (that is how I create the rpms)
19:26:47  <planetmaker> Only place it wouldn't be used as I see that is source-repo
19:27:02  <planetmaker> but I'd not use unix2dos but just another sed call
19:28:21  <planetmaker> sed -e 's/$/\r/' inputfile > outputfile                # UNIX to DOS  (adding CRs)
19:29:20  <Ammler> well, but rpm and I assume debian does create the pack with make install
19:29:27  <Ammler> so it shouldn't happen there :-)
19:29:43  <Ammler> maybe a parameter then
19:30:18  <Ammler> which we can add to the compiler on the server
19:32:31  <planetmaker> make install uses the usual tar creation...
19:32:46  <planetmaker> and which actually ends up on bananas.
19:33:49  <Ammler> those aren't unix2doslet?
19:33:58  <Ammler> wouldn't?
19:34:35  <Ammler> hmm, make install should btw also install the docs :-)
19:35:52  <planetmaker> it does.
19:36:08  <planetmaker> make install creates a tar and then copies the tar to where the INSTALLDIR is
19:36:18  <Ammler> yes, and the docs?
19:36:23  <planetmaker> are in the tar?
19:36:30  <Ammler> well, no issue with rpm
19:36:43  <Ammler> dunno, how debian does it.
19:37:26  <planetmaker> well. The tar is the kinda "primary" thing generated. Or maybe the dir with the final grf. But it has everything
19:39:45  <planetmaker> BUNDLE_FILES = $(GRF_FILENAMES) $(DOC_FILENAMES) $(OBG_FILE)
19:40:41  <planetmaker> I guess it doesn't hurt to have it \r\n in any released thing, does it?
19:41:05  <planetmaker> Sources, of course, being unix style \n
19:41:08  <Ammler> on our releases, it doesn't
19:41:22  <Ammler> but package maintainer wouldn't like it
19:41:26  <planetmaker> well. Also nightlies will have \r\n ...
19:41:28  <planetmaker> hm...
19:41:46  <Ammler> they used dos2unix for alpha6
19:41:50  <planetmaker> but that'd mean I'd need to detect somehow the target platform
19:42:06  <Ammler> no
19:42:09  <planetmaker> and I cannot detect it. It'd need to be a parameter
19:42:28  <Ammler> we could define that in the Makefile.nightly
19:42:38  <planetmaker> hm... do the distros use make install?
19:42:41  <planetmaker> I guess not...
19:42:48  <planetmaker> or?
19:42:48  <Ammler> I do
19:42:53  <planetmaker> well. I do, too
19:42:59  <Ammler> and they use at least make
19:43:10  <Ammler> fedora did install them self
19:43:19  <Ammler> but if make install works, it would be neat.
19:43:24  <planetmaker> but the point is: how shall I know whether I generate a bundle for everybody's use (win style) or only linux (for distro builders and unix users)
19:43:56  <planetmaker> I see no clean solution to that dilemma^
19:44:04  <planetmaker> other than yet another config option
19:44:07  <Ammler> e.g. with a Makefile.config var?
19:44:12  <planetmaker> yeah
19:44:21  <planetmaker> in Makefile.local
19:44:31  <Ammler> like you detect the install location
19:44:39  <planetmaker> Nope.
19:44:43  <Ammler> ?
19:44:54  <planetmaker> Or your compile farm would build linux style line endings
19:44:57  <planetmaker> which we don't want
19:45:08  <Ammler> but I can overwrite that var there :-P
19:45:13  <planetmaker> :-P
19:45:23  <planetmaker> well. You could. We can do that that way.
19:45:33  <planetmaker> shall be fine with me
19:45:49  <Ammler> well, if that is too much hassle
19:45:58  <planetmaker> that isn't.
19:46:02  <planetmaker> it's rather your hassle
19:46:33  <planetmaker> I'd run a replacement. And on unix I'd replace \n by \n... :-P
19:46:50  <Ammler> but we need a sep var, you know :-P
19:46:55  <planetmaker> yes, I do.
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19:47:12  <planetmaker> like NEWLINE="\n"
19:47:20  <Ammler> you could btw. also use tr
19:47:22  <planetmaker> or NEWLINE="\r\n"
19:47:27  <planetmaker> yes, I know
19:47:28  <Ammler> should be core tool
19:47:33  <planetmaker> But I already use sed on it.
19:47:46  <planetmaker> so I'll stick with it there
19:52:59  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 270: added even more stuff to the .xls (model/vehicle life, if wagon is ... @ (by DJNekkid)
19:54:40  <Ammler> oh, we should add the "unzip/zip" hooks
19:55:36  <planetmaker> ?
19:55:42  <Rubidium> !
19:56:00  <planetmaker> :-P
19:56:39  <Rubidium> only can't remember what modelling language that belongs to
19:59:21  <Ammler> strange is if I unzip/zip a ods with ark, I can read it again with calc
19:59:31  <Ammler> but if I do it with console, it fails.
19:59:40  <Ammler> also the size does change.
20:14:20  <Ammler> planetmaker: rpm does install the docs to /usr/share/doc/packages/opengfx
20:14:47  <Ammler> openttd to /usr/share/doc/openttd, afaik
20:15:53  <Ammler> I guess, packages is used, if make install doesn't do it, macro %doc
20:16:38  <Rubidium> ... --doc-dir ANYONE?
20:16:53  <Ammler> afaik :-P
20:17:17  <Ammler> only guessed...
20:18:11  <Rubidium> so s/afaik/I guess/
20:18:30  <Ammler> sorry, true.
20:19:36  <Ammler> need again to check the openttd spec
20:20:06  <Ammler> maybe it is set by spec then.
20:23:40  <Ammler> planetmaker: any experience on creating opengfx without renum?
20:24:31  <Ammler> (or someone else)
20:25:48  <Rubidium> heffer
20:26:07  <Rubidium> i.e. fedora
20:26:52  <Ammler> he told, he will use renum next time
20:28:07  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 539: Updated some Running Costs and Purchase Costs @ (by Beardie27)
20:34:45  <planetmaker> Ammler: well... it works. But it's ugly
20:35:00  <Ammler> ugly in which kind?
20:35:20  <planetmaker> many grfcodec warnings at least
20:35:28  <planetmaker> dunno anymore whether there were also errors
20:35:35  <Ammler> but final grf is the same?
20:35:40  <planetmaker> didn't check
20:35:58  <Ammler> I try that out
20:36:11  <planetmaker> happened to me by accident: missing renum binary ;-)
20:36:27  <Ammler> shouldn't make exit then?
20:36:52  <Ammler> well, actually, it is good so I can check, if that works.
20:40:00  <planetmaker> there's not need for it to work
20:40:27  <Ammler> well, nforenum is very complicated to build
20:40:47  <Ammler> build worked, checking md5sums
20:41:14  <Ammler> I could add exception for old versions
20:41:20  <Ammler> as it works on the newer...
20:41:21  <planetmaker> well. *I* can build it. Even on mac. On linux it's not that complicated, is it?
20:41:38  <Ammler> feel free to build it on my server
20:41:52  <planetmaker> I build it on mine...
20:41:58  <Ammler> 10.3?
20:42:02  <planetmaker> 11.1
20:42:13  <Ammler> that is why I said "on my" :-P
20:42:32  <Ammler> planetmaker: have you a novell account?
20:42:36  <planetmaker> no
20:42:55  <Ammler> I could add you, so you can see the logs.
20:43:40  <planetmaker> hm, damn. My linux box is offline :O
20:43:41  <Ammler> hmm, I created a openttdcoop account
20:43:45  <Ammler> you could use that
20:43:54  <planetmaker> uhm...
20:44:11  <planetmaker> why would I want a novel account?
20:44:37  <Ammler>
20:44:40  <Webster> Title: openSUSE: Login (at
20:46:17  <Ammler> planetmaker: you should know, suse belongs to novell
20:46:26  <Ammler> they are the "big" sponsor :-)
20:46:50  <planetmaker> Ammler: I know that novel bought Suse some years ago.
20:47:44  <Ammler> the novell account is used for all suse services.
20:48:39  <planetmaker> But I don't need suse services so far :-D
20:49:40  <Ammler> well, i pmd you the coop account
20:49:52  <planetmaker> yup, I saw that, I loged in
20:51:04  <planetmaker> ... but... what now?
20:51:10  <Ammler> then click on the package, i.e. nforenum
20:51:22  <Rubidium> isn't Novell that company that did blend Windows, Mac and SuSE?
20:51:59  <Ammler> blend?
20:52:13  <planetmaker> it's that one with the mutual license agreement with MS
20:52:22  <Rubidium>
20:52:23  <Webster> Title: YouTube - Will it blend? (at
20:55:50  <Ammler> he, where is suse that famous?
20:56:06  <Rubidium> novell paid quite a bit
20:56:10  <planetmaker> it used to be the most famous one in Germany a few years back
20:56:30  <Ammler> preUbuntu ;-)
20:56:35  <planetmaker> yup.
20:56:42  <planetmaker> I still have my Suse 5.3 CDs :-)
20:56:56  <Ammler> I should have a 7box
20:57:37  <Ammler> but needed another 3 full versions to use it as default dektop
21:04:51  <Ammler> Rubidium: novell made some nice linux movies ;-)
21:04:57  <Ammler>
21:04:58  <Webster> Title: YouTube - Novell Linux - Apple Ad Spoof (1st) (at
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21:56:07  <Beardie> Ammler is it possible to turn forum posts into a RSS feed?
21:58:26  <Ammler> yes, they can be added
21:58:29  <Beardie> Because Ammler i was thinking of getting the BROS forum and seeing if we could have that appear as a RSS feed when a new post is made in the #bros chat like Brot6
21:58:46  <Ammler> bros forum isn't on the devzone
21:58:55  <Beardie> no
21:59:04  <Beardie> would it have to be on devzone?
21:59:06  <Ammler> well, you need to enable rss feeds there
21:59:13  <Beardie> on the forum?
21:59:25  <Ammler> then give me the link to the feed and I add it to brot
21:59:39  <Beardie> right
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21:59:56  <Beardie> well i think welshdragon ahs to do that because he runs the forum
22:00:18  <Ammler> maybe it does already?
22:01:23  <Beardie> if it does i wouldn;t know where to look
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22:03:37  <Ammler> planetmaker: if I run make install with source release, it installs a opengfx-nightly.tar
22:04:01  <Brot6> 2cctrainset: Backup push to ssh:// initiated.
22:07:12  <Ammler> but the obg file is fine
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22:11:59  <Ammler> ogfxe_extra.grf has an other md5sum
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22:16:52  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Feature #578: Makefile: unix2dos for txt files @ (by athanasios)
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