Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 27th September 2009:
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01:33:44  <Brot6> Backup done! (Usage: 100M)
01:33:44  <Brot6> Vote for ME -- I'm well-tapered, half-cocked, ill-conceived and TAX-DEFERRED!
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06:18:24  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 133: Add: source files from lead@inbox @ (by andythenorth)
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07:51:52  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 134: Change: progress on graphics for Vehicle Ferry @ (by andythenorth)
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12:23:03  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 271: added alot of files, removed a few, added the TGV-Thalys from a mod... @ (by DJNekkid)
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14:04:02  <Brot6> 2cctrainset: Backup push to ssh:// initiated.
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16:18:02  <Brot6> 2cctrainset: update from r270 to r271, starting nightly compile
16:18:34  <Brot6> 2cctrainset: compile done (4 errors) -
16:18:34  <Brot6> firs: nightly compile not needed. (r217)
16:18:34  <Brot6> fish: update from r132 to r134, starting nightly compile
16:18:55  <Brot6> fish: compile done (1 errors) -
16:18:55  <Brot6> heqs: nightly compile not needed. (r169)
16:18:56  <Brot6> nmts: nightly compile not needed. (r14)
16:18:56  <Brot6> opengfx: nightly compile not needed. (r203)
16:18:56  <Brot6> opensfx: nightly compile not needed. (r41)
16:18:57  <Brot6> worldairlineset: nightly compile not needed. (r546)
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16:26:20  <andythenorth> FooBar: regarding licensing
16:26:35  <andythenorth> I'm staying out of a long chat with George (work to do)
16:26:44  <andythenorth> but I have two problems with CC
16:27:15  <andythenorth> 1. flawed concept.   CC is way too complicated and I think it's a massive fail as a license scheme.  GPL is elegant.  But that's a matter of taste
16:27:44  <andythenorth> 2. CC makes no guarantee that improvements by one author to a project have to be released back.  Bad.
16:28:01  <andythenorth> I think you've made that clear to George, so I'm not going to reply to it any further
16:36:59  <Ammler> the only reason for CC is if you are too lazy for supply the source
16:37:37  <Ammler> or then, you use CC-ND
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21:39:46  <Beardie> Frankr?
21:40:11  <Frankr> yh
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21:55:42  <Ammler> Frankr: why do you make such a ugly release of WAS, if you have the nice Makefile to build bundles?
21:56:01  <Frankr> i disagree with it ammler
21:56:14  <Frankr> i think ext and faddy have rushed into this
21:56:28  <Frankr> and i haven't been on all day and neither has beardie
21:56:32  <Ammler> also the last compile had around 40 errors
21:56:39  <Frankr> exactly
21:56:52  <Ammler> so you agree? :-)
21:56:57  <Frankr> faddy has made changes on his computer
21:57:04  <Frankr> i agree with u ammler
21:57:12  <Frankr> disagree with the release
21:57:33  <Rubidium> oh, definitely white lines in some sprites
21:57:36  <Frankr> it feels rushed and that was our main critism off ppl, "DON'T RUSH IT"
21:57:58  <Frankr> faddy and ext say thy fixed thm before the release but i don't know
21:58:07  <Frankr> cos faddy isn't online to give me the files
21:58:16  <Ammler> well, that might be, but they didn't push those fixes.
21:58:18  <Frankr> he really needs to sort his repo out
21:58:26  <Frankr> Ammler
21:58:37  <Frankr> his repo doesn't work and he cba fixing it
21:58:44  <Ammler> and it is very recommend to add a readme and license file to the grf.
21:59:02  <Frankr> exactly
21:59:07  <Frankr> me and beardie aren't happy
21:59:10  <Rubidium> the latter is more like required than recommended
21:59:11  <Ammler> like make bundle would do :-)
21:59:36  <Frankr> neither me nor beardie is happy with thm
21:59:43  <Frankr> them*
21:59:59  <Ammler> ok, I don't want to blame you, I just mentioned
21:59:59  <Frankr> and there is nothing we can do now
22:00:10  <Frankr> neither of them are online
22:00:16  <Frankr> so we can't remove it
22:00:18  <Rubidium> find some moderizzle and get the post removed
22:00:32  <Ammler> at least the attachement
22:00:36  <Ammler> and link to the nightly zip
22:01:33  <Frankr> I totally agree Ammler and Rubidium
22:02:03  <Frankr> But for 1 i don't really do much posting on TTD-Forums and therefore i think Beardie would have to get it removed
22:02:07  <Ammler> dunno, if was has the feature to support using tags like the pm Makefile
22:02:59  <Frankr> Another problem now is tha Faddy thinks he knows everything he needs about coding as well
22:03:13  <Frankr> even tho he's only done 2week tops
22:03:44  * Rubidium wonders why the nightlies aren't enough at this stage of development
22:03:46  <Frankr> but me and beardie will hav a work and if necessary remove his access to the repo if he does it again
22:03:53  <Frankr> I don't know
22:04:09  <Frankr> To be fair faddy recently has done quite a bit of coding
22:04:28  <Ammler> well, that is trouble you need solve intern :-)
22:04:30  <Frankr> but they wanted a main WAS Alpha as we set out to make
22:04:34  <Frankr> i know
22:05:20  <Ammler> you "can" also upload a nightly to bananas, so you are sure, all have the same md5sum
22:05:37  <Ammler> which is very important for mp games.
22:06:08  <Rubidium> nah, it isn't as important as it was long ago
22:06:52  <Ammler> indeed, you will simply download it now :-)
22:07:20  <Rubidium> nah, you won't desync because you got the wrong NewGRF
22:07:33  <Frankr> The GRF isn't even finished
22:07:53  <Frankr> i was goin to put a randomising action in
22:08:03  <Ammler> I flagged the FIRS grf so it isn't available for the generic public
22:08:24  <Ammler> you need nightly or a MP server for it.
22:08:44  <Frankr> not only tha
22:09:01  <Frankr> the grf isn't firs or ecs compatible as far as i kno
22:09:17  <Ammler> Frankr: just mentioned it as example.
22:09:46  <Frankr> Sorry i'm just quite angry Ammler atm
22:09:50  <Ammler> the problem with bananas is, that a lot people just download without reading .
22:10:04  <Ammler> so you should only have stable grfs there.
22:10:31  <Ammler> again, I didn't want to blame you :-P
22:11:00  <Frankr> well u can't blame me, lol
22:11:18  <Frankr> anyway what is done is done, so to say
22:11:48  <Ammler> I could, you are Manager and therefor responsible :-P
22:12:06  <Frankr> i can't control people who are rogue
22:12:14  <Frankr> lol
22:13:22  <Frankr> anyway guys how are other sets going?
22:14:08  <Ammler> :-) you are still the most active :-P
22:14:50  <Ammler> we need another push for open[g|s]fx
22:15:09  <Rubidium> heh, I already kinda did try to start that push
22:15:19  <Ammler> yes, I saw, thanks.
22:15:59  <Ammler> you mean the Frontpage of
22:16:41  <Rubidium> yop
22:17:36  <Frankr> lol
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22:18:24  <Frankr> Beardie
22:18:31  <Beardie> Ammler what do i do when a member of the project goes crazy...
22:18:34  <Frankr> We have just been natterin
22:18:48  <Ammler> Beardie: FIRST, calm down :-)
22:18:56  <Beardie> rofl
22:19:12  <Beardie> deep breath
22:19:14  <Beardie> lol
22:19:18  <Beardie> i am ok... :)
22:19:18  <Frankr> lol
22:19:21  <Rubidium> next call the mental hospital
22:19:25  <Frankr> kill him beardie
22:19:31  <Frankr> its the only solution
22:19:31  <Beardie> My Dad works there he can take me :)
22:19:34  <Beardie> lol
22:19:40  <Frankr> true beardie
22:19:42  <Beardie> no Joke...
22:19:57  <Frankr> he's actually telling the truth for once
22:20:03  <Frankr> lol
22:20:03  <Beardie> i never lie
22:20:05  <Beardie> lol
22:20:14  <Beardie> Anway what where you guys chatting about then?
22:20:28  <Frankr> rogue agents
22:20:36  <Beardie> ber dun chuuuu
22:20:55  <Beardie> Indeed
22:20:56  <Ammler> I just mentioned the ugly alpha release :-)
22:21:01  <Beardie> indeed Ammler
22:21:15  <Beardie> its a mess
22:21:20  <Beardie> and there is work to do
22:21:32  <Beardie> but we are getting there :)
22:21:41  <Ammler> I don't mean the grf itself, I didn't check that, just the presentation is a bit low.
22:21:46  <Rubidium> for people who really went crazy I'd start with revoking rights to commit/release, but given that you can't quite revoke those release rights it's not a good suggestion
22:21:56  <Frankr> Ammler it is both
22:22:10  <Beardie> Is it possible to set the Nightlies Page have a Password?
22:22:18  <Beardie> to have*
22:22:35  <Ammler> possible yes, but why?
22:22:44  <Ammler> he didn't use the nightly
22:23:06  <Beardie> Rubidium are you a Mod on TT-Forums?
22:23:14  <Ammler> not there, I guess.
22:23:19  <Beardie> no he didn;t actually he used Faddy's Download through hg
22:23:51  <Frankr> u seen my song beardie
22:23:54  <Ammler> just make the nightly release public, so nobody needs to upload grfs
22:23:59  <Frankr> Mad World
22:24:04  <Beardie> lol
22:24:23  <Beardie> Ammler i like the GRF upload it makes sure that everyone has a common File
22:24:35  <Beardie> and only lets poeple have want you want them to have
22:24:48  <Ammler> grf upload?
22:25:07  <Rubidium> Beardie: only in the OpenTTD section I've got some 'above average' rights
22:25:21  <Rubidium> but not all the ones a full blown mod has
22:25:49  <Beardie> lol so no one here can remove alexs post?
22:26:02  <Beardie> Sending a Pm to the great man himself then, orudge
22:26:05  <Ammler> ask at #tycoon
22:26:19  <Beardie> hummm maybe better idea
22:26:26  <Frankr> Beardie, they haven't included the license or readme either
22:26:33  <Beardie> i know how should i ask?
22:26:35  <Beardie> orudge?
22:26:58  <Ammler> just ask if someone is around, who can remove attachements.
22:27:10  <Ammler> and give them a link to the post.
22:27:37  <Ammler> else there is a report function
22:27:55  <Rubidium> yup, report is good
22:28:41  <Ammler> Beardie: try to keep friendly
22:28:43  <Beardie> there is own who is not away on IRC that has mod capabilities
22:28:48  <Beardie> yes Ammler
22:28:50  <Ammler> to exspotter, I mean
22:29:06  <Beardie> ok
22:29:08  <Beardie> i will try
22:29:14  <Beardie> but its not me its him
22:29:33  <Ammler> and if you need to fight, to that in private
22:29:40  <Beardie> He Complains i donlt code becuase i am at work but states he cant; paint becuase his eyes hurt...
22:29:52  <Ammler> you know how the BRSet died
22:30:01  <Beardie> indeed
22:30:23  <Ammler> try to stay unpersonally in public...
22:30:28  <Beardie> ok
22:30:52  <Beardie> should i edit my recent post on WAS Thread then?
22:30:57  <Beardie>
22:30:59  <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums View topic - [WIP] The World Airliners Set - Alpha (Release Pending) (at
22:31:03  <Ammler> :-)
22:31:54  <Rubidium> what works really good is writing a really nasty post and pressing back instead of submit
22:31:57  <Frankr> lol beardie
22:32:12  <Ammler> Rubidium: inded, I did that more then once ;-)
22:32:19  <Frankr> mine is alrite
22:32:34  <Rubidium> and if you then still feel the urge to write, your anger has usually gone (for the biggest part)
22:32:38  <Ammler> If I were you, I would make the nightlies public
22:32:53  <Ammler> so people know it isn't finished, but they have something to try.
22:33:13  <Rubidium> Ammler: I've lost count of that after like my 5th post on the forum, heck I even lost count how often I've done it yesterday
22:33:14  <Beardie> Well maybe we can do tnhat after a Proper Nightly
22:34:28  <Ammler> it would be sad, if you or exspotter or whoever now leave the project just because you make such troubles, that simply belongs to community work.
22:38:38  <Beardie> I am not leaving
22:38:39  <Beardie> lol
22:38:50  <Beardie> i will keep going even without a painter
22:39:49  <Frankr> not a very frequent painter
22:41:38  <Beardie> OK i have sent a 'report' to them
22:41:41  <Beardie> a very long one
22:42:15  <Beardie> the GRF should be removed
22:42:25  <Beardie> when the problem has been dealt with.
22:43:08  <Frankr> I did have a word with Ext, and said u wouldn't b vry happy
22:43:25  <Beardie> Well hes right.
22:44:34  <Beardie> So tomorrow night i think i will do some work on WAS
22:44:46  <Beardie> make sure the Forum is fully locked up and get them changes of Faddy
22:44:55  <Beardie> once we have done that
22:45:12  <Beardie> then all we need to do is make sure everything is coded correctly
22:46:01  <Beardie> i donl;t see why in a week or two that the Alpha will not be released
22:46:21  <Frankr> u not at college 2moro?
22:46:26  <Beardie> nope
22:46:36  <Beardie> i only at College Wed,Thrus, Fri
22:46:43  <Beardie> i am in tomorrow 2pm onwards
22:46:47  <Beardie> with rachel in the morning
22:48:20  <Beardie> what you think Frankr?
22:48:40  <Frankr> i'm free 2moro
22:48:46  <Frankr> but thy not
22:48:52  <Frankr> faddy got college
22:48:55  <Beardie> i know
22:49:08  <Beardie> doesn;t mean we can't get some work done tomorrow night
22:49:17  <Beardie> 2pn onwards.
22:58:11  <Rubidium> lovely... 2pm an tomorrow. That gets interpreted in many ways
22:59:23  <Frankr> lol
23:00:33  <Rubidium> e.g. 2009-09-29 12:00 UTC
23:05:16  <Beardie> lol?
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23:46:14  <Beardie> Frankr, Ammler and Rubidium and to Who ever it may concern the GRF Alex posted has been removed by a Moderator.
23:46:33  <Frankr> gd
23:46:58  <Beardie> Indeed
23:47:18  <Beardie> Last edited by Lakie on Mon Sep 28, 2009 12:30 am, edited 1 time in total.
23:47:20  <Beardie> File removed at the request of the other authors.
23:53:38  <Beardie> See ya Frankr i am off
23:53:51  <Frankr> speak later
23:53:55  <Beardie> bye!
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