Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 6th October 2009:
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01:33:47  <Brot6> Backup done! (Usage: 102M)
01:33:47  <Brot6> Kids, don't gross me off ... "Adventures with MENTAL HYGIENE" can be carried too FAR!
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10:01:25  <Ammler> OMG, OpenGFX dev thread is on 2nd page at tt-forums :-o
10:04:56  <Rubidium> then do some development!
10:05:50  <Ammler> drawing is needed and you would prefer the black boxes than my drawings :-P
10:07:25  <Ammler> but we could make a post about what is needed, like I did for the missing arctic houses
10:08:28  <Rubidium> whine that still no single climate is 100% done?
10:08:54  <Ammler> yeah, african faces :'-(
11:09:57  <Ammler> "You have 477240 out of 1014447 that take longer than 10 sec. to complete" :-(
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11:55:47  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Feature #80: Remeber to add Alex' britsh DMUs @ (by DJNekkid)
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15:39:16  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: British Rail OpenTTD Set - Revision 7: Updated Class 37 Png and Pcx @ (by Beardie27)
15:54:08  <Doorslammer> Hello hello
15:54:29  <DJNekkid> howdy el'dorro :)
15:54:58  <Doorslammer> Progress abounds, I see
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16:11:10  <Ammler> hmm, no new industries for Toyland :'-(
16:12:04  <Rubidium> why would there be new industries for toyland?
16:12:14  <Rubidium> hmm, although... the mars replacement set?
16:16:33  <Ammler> I meant opengfx graphics from LA
16:18:02  <Brot6> 2cctrainset: update from r291 to r293, starting nightly compile
16:18:29  <Brot6> 2cctrainset: compile done (10 errors) -
16:18:29  <Brot6> firs: nightly compile not needed. (r217)
16:18:29  <Brot6> fish: update from r135 to r140, starting nightly compile
16:18:48  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: New Monorail & Maglev TrainSet - Feature #592: Disable original maglev @ (by lawton27)
16:18:53  <Brot6> fish: compile completely failed! :-( -
16:18:54  <Brot6> heqs: nightly compile not needed. (r169)
16:18:54  <Brot6> nmts: nightly compile not needed. (r15)
16:18:54  <Brot6> opengfx: nightly compile not needed. (r205)
16:18:54  <Brot6> opensfx: nightly compile not needed. (r41)
16:18:54  <Brot6> worldairlineset: nightly compile not needed. (r583)
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17:24:36  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: British Rail OpenTTD Set - Revision 8: changes to makefiles @ (by Beardie27)
17:31:27  * KenjiE20 has made logs pretty, enjoy :)
17:33:16  <Rubidium> sorry, but if I look at logs in my webbrowser the pretty colours become quite ugly
17:33:58  <Rubidium> or aren't you talking about logs that are dumped onto a console?
17:34:23  <KenjiE20> this channels IRC logs I meant
17:34:46  <Rubidium> now only a show last N items :)
17:35:01  <Rubidium> though the sorting has improved!
17:35:15  <KenjiE20> updates slow to on the hour, but it's probably an acceptable trade off :)
17:35:36  <KenjiE20> (well 5mins past the hour, but close enough :P )
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17:54:47  <Ammler> andythenorth: quote for you: [18:18] <Brot6> fish: compile completely failed!  -
17:55:11  <Ammler> thanks KenjiE20 :-)
17:56:02  <Ammler> but you know my opinion about, I would rather like log 10 mins back than 1 month back :-)
17:56:13  <Ammler> but it's fine :-P
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18:06:22  <Doorslammer> He took that rather well :P
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18:28:06  <Frankr> hello?
18:28:56  <Frankr> DJNekkid: do you know what this means, //!!Invalid character: "Q".
18:29:35  <Doorslammer> Hmmm, anyone know where Windows Sidebar .gadget files are kept?
18:29:48  <Frankr> would it by anychance be to do with the space in this //    0 * 0	 08 07 "BRS" 01 "BROS nightly-r8M" 00 01
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18:30:41  <KenjiE20> Doorslammer: I'd assume %user\local settings somewhere, for on stock ones
18:31:05  <Doorslammer> Got additional ones downloaded
18:31:13  <Doorslammer> So need to put them somewhere
18:31:18  <KenjiE20> s/on/non/
18:31:27  <Ammler> Frankr: should be add BROS to the nightly farm?
18:31:36  <KenjiE20> can you not add via folder?
18:31:52  <KenjiE20> oh wait, course not, that'd be sensible
18:31:53  <KenjiE20> :P
18:31:56  <Frankr> Ammler you can do do
18:31:56  <Doorslammer> lol
18:31:58  <Ammler> we*
18:32:10  <Frankr> just trying to fix that wierd error
18:32:25  <Ammler> Frankr: does it have Makefile support?
18:32:30  <Frankr> yh
18:32:31  <Ammler> make bundle_zip
18:32:34  <Doorslammer> Facedesk
18:32:45  <Frankr> it does ammler
18:32:47  <Doorslammer> C:/Program Files/Windows Sidebar/Gadgets
18:32:52  <Doorslammer> Why not eh? :P
18:33:19  <KenjiE20> ah, that'd make sense
18:33:31  <Brot6> bros: update from r to r8, starting nightly compile
18:33:40  <Brot6> bros: compile done (1 errors) -
18:34:02  <KenjiE20> though, gadget itself probably puts them somewhere in local settings if your not an admin
18:34:24  <Doorslammer> Fair point, but they didnt show was all
18:35:03  <Ammler> hmm, where is the nfo?
18:36:56  <Frankr> oops, maybe if i push these changes i've made it will be there
18:37:09  <Doorslammer> lol
18:37:53  <KenjiE20> that helps
18:38:52  <Frankr> i think because the error is to do with action 8 the rest fails
18:40:24  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: British Rail OpenTTD Set - Revision 9: More alterations to makefile environment @ (by Frank)
18:44:26  <Brot6> bros: update from r8 to r9, starting nightly compile
18:44:37  <Brot6> bros: compile done (1 errors) -
18:45:44  <Ammler> I broke the script
18:49:05  <Frankr> how?
18:49:15  <Frankr> i think i have found the problem at last
18:51:30  <Ammler> Frankr: nothing on your side
18:51:52  <Frankr> what do you mean
18:52:06  <Frankr> i still have the Invalid Q problems
18:52:09  <Ammler> well, as you see, you have issues too, but the final nfo wasn't copied to the nightly directory anymore.
18:52:10  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: #openttdcoop - Revision 40: [CF] Fix (r39): stupid me should delete the nfo on the target web, no... @ (by Ammler)
18:52:11  <Frankr> problem*
18:52:32  <Frankr> ah
18:53:58  <Ammler> I repeat your project again...
18:54:04  <Doorslammer> lol
18:54:12  <Doorslammer> Love that fix title
18:54:39  <Brot6> bros: update from r to r9, starting nightly compile
18:54:50  <Brot6> bros: compile done (1 errors) -
18:55:50  <Ammler> <-- here now :-)
18:55:55  <Frankr> do you know what it means thn
18:56:07  <Ammler> action8 should end with 00
18:56:31  <Ammler> 00 for the title and 00 for description
18:57:19  <Frankr> lol, i found the problem, the QUOTEME (REVISION) is the problem
18:57:20  <Ammler> what is that 01 for?
18:58:30  <Ammler> hmm, the british guys to mention themself first, then the others?
18:59:09  <Frankr> yh it was
19:05:42  <Ammler> Frankr: so you reached to make the most minimal grf possible :-P
19:05:55  <Frankr> lol
19:06:09  <Frankr> there isn't much else in it at the moment anyway
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19:06:41  * Ammler wonders, if you could load that grf
19:07:29  <Frankr> doubt it
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19:19:11  <Doorslammer> Hmmm, so file is good to test?
19:20:17  <Doorslammer> Oh no, thats done something odd to my browser
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19:29:34  <Doorslammer> Hmmm, nothing shows
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19:58:23  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 584: removed pax from skylift, and added everything else (18 \wxFF... @ (by DJNekkid)
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20:06:01  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 141: Add: pcx file for Medium Utility Vessel (fishboat) @ (by andythenorth)
20:08:36  <Rubidium> Wessel!
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21:18:43  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 294: added a working enigne template, and the '422' @ (by DJNekkid)
21:19:12  <DJNekkid> ^^
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21:33:55  <planetmaker> o/
21:33:56  * planetmaker likes commits, though, whose message tells it all and doesn't need an 'and' ;-)
21:35:20  <Ammler> DJNekkid: uses the repo like a backup
21:35:23  <Ammler> instead of versioning
21:35:54  <Ammler> ... I have worked an hour lets backup....
21:36:24  <planetmaker> yep
21:37:02  <Ammler> :-)
21:37:29  <DJNekkid> sorry then ...
21:37:36  * planetmaker hugs DJNekkid
21:37:48  <planetmaker> we love you despite ;-)
21:38:12  <DJNekkid> i _try_ to only commit stuff when i actually do something...
21:38:24  <planetmaker> adding a template is one thing
21:38:27  <planetmaker> adding a train is another
21:38:31  <planetmaker> or do I err?
21:38:36  <DJNekkid> well ...
21:38:42  <planetmaker> each thing or fix deserves its own commit
21:38:43  <DJNekkid> the thing was...
21:39:12  <DJNekkid> i had made the template, but i cannot be sure that it works before putting it to the test
21:39:23  <DJNekkid> thus, i coded one engine
21:39:24  <planetmaker> test it locally
21:39:38  <planetmaker> commit the train.
21:39:41  <DJNekkid> it failed, i fixed, it failed again, i fixed again
21:39:43  <DJNekkid> etc
21:39:45  <planetmaker> commit the template
21:39:51  <planetmaker> it's a separate file, isn't it?
21:39:59  <DJNekkid> sure...
21:40:02  <planetmaker> :-)
21:40:33  <planetmaker> hg ci -m "Add: engine 422" sprites/nfo/engines/422.pnfo
21:40:47  <planetmaker> hg add templates/engines.pnfo
21:41:04  <planetmaker> hg ci -m "Add: engine template" templates/engines.pnfo
21:41:27  <DJNekkid> but then when the engine finally works, its copied, renamed, CTRL-H'ed and added...
21:41:30  <planetmaker> You could add the new things one at a time
21:41:43  <DJNekkid> i guess i could do it two goes tho :)
21:41:46  <planetmaker> using hg add <filename>
21:41:53  <planetmaker> and not hg add *
21:42:04  <planetmaker> and single changes are commited by
21:42:05  <DJNekkid> i've made a bat-file :P
21:42:14  <planetmaker> hg ci -m "blubbber" <filename(s)>
21:42:44  <DJNekkid> hg add sprites/nfo/engines/*.pnfo && hg add sprites/pcx/engines/*.pcx
21:42:46  <planetmaker> a bat in a wrong place, if you ask me :-)
21:43:00  <planetmaker> or rather: a bat with not much use
21:43:17  <DJNekkid> so, instead of type "hg add blablabla" i just type addmus or addengines
21:43:24  <planetmaker> as it adds indiscriminantly every crap and skips your thinking
21:43:26  <DJNekkid> or rather, addm-tab or adde-tab :P
21:43:51  <DJNekkid> i love not to think, it takes less time :p
21:43:57  <planetmaker> it shows :-P
21:44:22  <DJNekkid> a math teacher i once had saied ... "lazyness is a virtue" :p
21:44:32  <planetmaker> yes. But lazyness well applied
21:44:48  <planetmaker> I'm a very lazy person to be honest
21:45:16  <planetmaker> but this is one thing where it actually *adds* work IMO :-)
21:45:26  <planetmaker> when trying to understand what has been done in the past that is.
21:45:27  <Ammler> yes, first you think, before you start to walk, then you might be faster and easier and the goal.
21:45:33  <planetmaker> And that's something which happens IMO quite often
21:45:38  <Ammler> at*
21:45:45  <KenjiE20> my chemistry teacher once mused that "[I] turn laziness into an art form" :P
21:45:55  <planetmaker> haha @ KenjiE20
21:47:13  <DJNekkid> and in this case, the template is added, and if anyone wanted to add another engine its "a go" :)
21:47:19  <DJNekkid> so, i uploaded it :)
21:48:17  <DJNekkid> not that i had any actual faith of such happening, but just in case :P
21:49:14  <Ammler> I liked to try that with nmts, asked you quite a lot
21:49:29  <DJNekkid> all stats are in, so its "just" a "replace all nnn's with <something>", and a possible (most likely) 5 minute pcx editing :)
21:49:49  <DJNekkid> Ammler ..??
21:50:23  <Ammler> coding a train there
21:51:01  <DJNekkid> NMTS isnt that templated unfortunately...
21:51:21  <Ammler> IMO 2cc is still not read for starting to code v2
21:51:30  <Ammler> ready*
21:51:58  <Ammler> i.e. not decided what to do with the excel file
21:52:44  <planetmaker> :-)
21:53:12  <DJNekkid> if anyone manage to write a parser for it, be my guest, but as for now im doing a manual tr -s , \n <action0s.pnfo >action0.pnfo
21:53:38  <DJNekkid> with the proper line(s) copy/pasted
21:54:03  <Ammler> so you decided not to use it?
21:54:13  <DJNekkid> use what?
21:54:15  <Ammler> or how will you make updates later?
21:54:24  <Ammler> the exccel file
21:54:35  <DJNekkid> im useing it all the time ...
21:54:57  <Ammler> but you know, we don't have history
21:55:18  <Rubidium> KenjiE20: so you just procrastinate all day long?
21:55:36  <KenjiE20> hmm?
21:55:54  <DJNekkid> Ammler: the action0s.pnfo is sorta its history
21:56:51  <Ammler> well, you see?
21:57:26  <Rubidium> KenjiE20: procrastinate: to put off intentionally the doing of something that should be done
21:57:38  <Rubidium> sounds like it describes being lazy
21:58:04  <KenjiE20> I procrastinate being procrastinate
21:58:20  <DJNekkid> "dont put of something till tomorrow, if you can put it off to the day after tomorrow" :)
21:58:50  <planetmaker> again I have to say good night ;-) - putting off any work related here to another day ;-)
21:59:07  <Rubidium> DJNekkid: but... procrastinate works till the end of times
21:59:16  <DJNekkid> oh...
21:59:18  <DJNekkid> well ...
21:59:41  <DJNekkid> how do we solve the excel issue then? :)
22:01:23  <Ammler> DJNekkid: if we can parse it
22:04:02  <Brot6> 2cctrainset: Backup push to ssh:// initiated.
22:04:05  <DJNekkid> then what? else?
22:04:48  <Ammler> then we could use it in unzipped version
22:04:58  <DJNekkid> yup
22:09:22  <Ammler> well, simple think about how you will make bulk change like everything needs to cost double
22:11:00  <DJNekkid> change the contents of one cell (already pretty much doable), then copy the contentes of cell AO13 -> CS237 into action0s.pnfo, then tr -s , \n <action0s.pnfo >action0.pnfo
22:11:36  <DJNekkid> or, adjust a property of a general action 0 :P
22:12:07  <DJNekkid> -1 * 7	 00 08 01 01 0F 08 0A -> -1 * 7	 00 08 01 01 0F 08 0B
22:12:09  <DJNekkid> :p
22:12:35  <Ammler> [23:55] <DJNekkid> Ammler: the action0s.pnfo is sorta its history
22:12:43  <Ammler> so where is your history?
22:12:51  <Frankr> lol
22:12:52  <Ammler> in the excel or in the pnfo?
22:14:41  <DJNekkid> <-- ??
22:15:00  <Ammler> hehe
22:16:12  <Ammler> what I like to know is WHAT you changed, that's history :-)
22:17:16  <DJNekkid> well ...
22:17:26  <DJNekkid> im not sure what to do anymore
22:18:57  <DJNekkid> first you encourage me to use excel to add preprocessor stuff, one of your points where that i could do bulk changes to, lets say, purchase costs ... then i do just that, and now that is kinda wrong anyway ...
22:19:27  <Ammler> hehe
22:20:03  <Ammler> I said, you could code the whole set with excel
22:20:11  <Ammler> that was kind of a joke
22:20:23  <DJNekkid> but the point of bulk changes werent
22:20:35  <DJNekkid> that i clearly remember
22:21:07  <DJNekkid> and that the documentation of running costs, capacities etc werent in sync with the set...
22:21:21  <Ammler> well, still, I don't think you can't use excel
22:21:36  <Ammler> I just have troubles with the history
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22:23:09  <DJNekkid>
22:23:11  <DJNekkid> does that help ?
22:24:03  <DJNekkid> or optionally that?
22:24:03  <DJNekkid>
22:24:50  <DJNekkid> that last one is probably more readable...
22:25:03  <DJNekkid> and that is essencially the contents of the .xls
22:29:46  <DJNekkid>
22:30:45  <DJNekkid> that rather clearly show that the chimaera did get a running speed decrease, and thus its running cost is reduced
22:30:59  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 295: see the changes in action0.pnfo @ (by DJNekkid)
22:33:24  <Ammler> DJNekkid: it is fine, just a bit "uncommon"
22:33:41  <Ammler> usually you compile from source to binary and not from binary to source
22:34:14  <DJNekkid> there is the 3rd option...
22:34:29  <DJNekkid> getting a macro-compiler-thingy written...
22:34:58  <DJNekkid> where we add inn all the variables, preferably in a similar format, and its calculated and done all its cool stuff with :)
22:35:09  <Ammler> :-)
22:35:21  <DJNekkid> but im not sure what you currently prefer? :)
22:35:43  <DJNekkid> a tiny copy/paste or a man-month of work? :P
22:36:19  <DJNekkid> hehe
22:37:06  <DJNekkid> hmm, im wondering
22:37:57  <DJNekkid> are there any "save the cells in <range:range> to .csv-format"-button that can be made? :)
22:41:51  <DJNekkid> anyway, nn
22:42:07  <Ammler> DJNekkid: I am not sure, either, that is why I said, it isn't ready for v2, but if you think the release is needed, well then we procceed that way.
22:42:41  <Ammler> it is your project, without you there won't be a release anyway :-)
22:43:06  <Ammler> that fast I mean...
22:44:55  <Ammler> I should night too
23:37:00  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: British Rail OpenTTD Set - Revision 10: More Adjustments @ (by Frank)

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