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(Usage: 102M) 01:33:54 <Brot6> Mr and Mrs PED, can I borrow 26.7% of the RAYON TEXTILE production of the INDONESIAN archipelago? 03:18:27 *** KenjiE20|LT has quit IRC 05:47:03 *** DJNekkid has quit IRC 06:23:12 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 06:23:26 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v ODM 08:04:28 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:04:40 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Webster 08:44:10 *** Seberoth2 has quit IRC 08:44:16 *** Seberoth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:44:26 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Seberoth 09:58:21 *** Chris_Booth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 09:58:26 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Chris_Booth 11:08:09 <Brot6> feed DevZone had 15 updates, showing the latest 10 11:08:09 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 157: Change: fixing my mistakes to keep renum quiet @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/157 (by andythenorth) 11:08:10 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 158: Change: progress on Log Raft Large @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/158 (by andythenorth) 11:08:10 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 159: Change: progress on Log Raft Large @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/159 (by andythenorth) 11:08:10 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: #openttdcoop - Wiki edit: Manager (#4) @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/16/wiki/Manager?version=4 (by Ammler) 11:08:13 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 320: Add: A bunch of engines; 1044, 2100, 26000, 2700, AE6-6, Alco boxca... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/320 (by DJNekkid) 11:08:19 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: WebOTTD - Revision 0: Create working directory @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/webottd/repository/revisions/0 (by Seberoth) 11:08:22 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: WebOTTD - Revision 1: Backup.push @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/webottd/repository/revisions/1 (by Seberoth) 11:08:25 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: WebOTTD - Revision 2: -Some fixes @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/webottd/repository/revisions/2 (by Seberoth) 11:08:28 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 321: added NER EF1 properly @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/321 (by DJNekkid) 11:08:31 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 322: Add: metrovik EM2 @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/322 (by DJNekkid) 11:08:32 <Ammler> sorry :-) 11:09:04 <Ammler> I tested trunk HEAD and forgot to switch back to the productive DB... 11:31:43 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:32:02 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v KenjiE20 11:35:39 *** Seberoth has quit IRC 11:43:37 *** Seberoth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:43:46 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Seberoth 12:01:08 <Brot6> feed DevZone had 15 updates, showing the latest 10 12:01:08 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 239: Change: varaction 2 chain for Plastics Plant @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/239 (by andythenorth) 12:01:09 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 240: Change: varaction 2 chain for Recycling Plant @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/240 (by andythenorth) 12:01:09 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - 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Revision 246: Change: varaction 2 chain for Thermal Plant @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/246 (by andythenorth) 12:01:34 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 247: Change: varaction 2 chain for Waste Point, Water Plant @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/247 (by andythenorth) 12:01:38 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 248: Change: varaction 2 chain for Water Tower @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/248 (by andythenorth) 12:09:52 *** ODM has quit IRC 12:22:58 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: WebOTTD - Revision 3: Some layout improvement @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/webottd/repository/revisions/3 (by Seberoth) 12:42:23 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: #openttdcoop NewGRF package - Bug #543 (Rejected): Remove ISR @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/543#change-1498 (by Ammler) 12:42:24 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: #openttdcoop NewGRF package - Bug #542 (Confirmed): Remove OpenGFX newgrfs @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/542#change-1501 (by Ammler) 12:42:24 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: #openttdcoop NewGRF package - Bug #547 (Confirmed): Remove Pikka's NewGRFs @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/547#change-1502 (by Ammler) 12:42:24 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: #openttdcoop NewGRF package - Bug #548 (Confirmed): Remove FooBar's NewGRFs @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/548#change-1503 (by Ammler) 12:44:13 *** Chris_Booth is now known as Guest1154 12:44:19 *** Chris_Booth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:44:24 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Chris_Booth 12:49:05 *** Guest1154 has quit IRC 13:20:20 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: #openttdcoop NewGRF package - Bug #550 (Confirmed): Remove ECS from George @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/550#change-1504 (by Ammler) 13:20:21 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: #openttdcoop NewGRF package - Bug #551 (Confirmed): Remove single GRFs @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/551#change-1505 (by Ammler) 13:51:35 <Ammler> Hmm, I guess, we now need to move to the mercurial-server 13:51:43 <Ammler> as we need private repos... 13:59:04 <Rubidium> why would you need private repos? 13:59:16 <Rubidium> just run it somewhere else 14:04:08 <Brot6> webottd: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/seberoth/webottd initiated. 14:23:30 <Ammler> Rubidium: for the grfpack 14:23:56 <Ammler> MB complained about his grfs are downloadable as pure grfs 14:24:51 <Ammler> so we closed svn, but I would like to move it to the devzone, so we can shutdown svn completely 14:25:34 <Rubidium> just get rid of MB's crap 14:25:45 <Rubidium> openttd isn't good enough anyway 14:25:58 <Ammler> well, also if we would, we need those for the archives 14:26:53 <Rubidium> so, make one for 'archived' games and one for 'recent' games 14:27:34 <Ammler> hmm, recent games should be bananas only :-) 14:27:34 <Rubidium> put all the old crapload in the archived thingy and start with a 'clean' one for the recent games (or just drop non-bananas NewGRFs) 14:28:42 <Rubidium> and don't bother 'updating' the GRF package; releasing a new one just to remove stuff doesn't add much value besides duplicating newgrfs (people thinking they *need* the new package and such) 14:28:46 <Ammler> but also some banans grfs can't be removed, like ISR 14:29:36 <Ammler> those guys take the license stuff a bit too serious. 14:29:46 <Rubidium> huh? 14:30:13 <Rubidium> if it's in bananas it's in bananas, if it isn't it isn't and you don't use it in new games 14:30:31 <Ammler> but in archived games, which is our pack for, too. 14:30:52 <Rubidium> Ammler: so, just *keep* the current pack and don't bother removing stuff that's added to bananas 14:31:03 <Rubidium> maybe rename it or so 14:31:15 <Ammler> hmm, that is mainly what we do. 14:31:35 <Ammler> but I like to remove the bananas grfs to "force" guys to use newer versions. 14:32:40 <Ammler> but if I would remove the bananas ISR, dummy people might use the obsolete ISR versions. :-) 14:33:01 <Rubidium> do you think people will remove the old package? 14:33:52 <Ammler> well, if we tell them to do 14:34:05 <Ammler> specially those who creates scearios 14:34:56 <Ammler> they don't need to remove it, they just shouldn't use it for new maps. 14:36:15 * Rubidium must be very stupid... but doesn't get the problem at all 14:36:27 <Ammler> Hmm, I could make 2 packs, one for the archive with obsolete and the other for current games 14:36:39 <Rubidium> a) the grf package + bananas should load all games 14:36:50 <Ammler> yes. 14:36:58 <Rubidium> b) the grf package + banans should force scenario makers to use the newest grfs 14:36:58 <Ammler> which it does now. 14:37:25 <Ammler> yep 14:37:46 <Ammler> which isn't given, as they can use older pack grfs. 14:37:49 <Rubidium> well, good luck... because you can't *ever* 14:38:05 <Rubidium> there's no concept of 'newer' for NewGRFs 14:38:34 <Ammler> I know, and it seems also not wanted by you, so we need to do it with the pack. 14:38:57 <Ammler> well, at least to make it a bit easier. 14:39:15 <Ammler> so not every new game has so many old grfs. 14:39:29 <Rubidium> not wanted by me? I haven't designed the nfo stuff 14:40:20 <Ammler> well, but you would have the power to add versioning :-) 14:40:21 <Rubidium> Ammler: then *remove* the newgrf pack from the server: scenario fails to load -> start again with new NewGRFs 14:41:03 <Ammler> Rubidium: that is the annoying part 14:41:27 <Rubidium> Ammler: why annoying? It's teaching them to use the new stuff, i.e. to remove the archive .tar 14:41:43 <Ammler> but it isn't that easy why it fails 14:41:56 <Ammler> for non ssh guys 14:42:34 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: #openttdcoop NewGRF package - Bug #542: Remove OpenGFX newgrfs @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/542#change-1508 (by planetmaker) 14:42:34 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Feature #595: spin-off newgrfs @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/595 (by planetmaker) 14:42:59 <Ammler> so we need admins in that moment which are rarly at the moment :-) 14:43:51 <KenjiE20> the log viewer doesn't need ssh :) 14:45:48 <KenjiE20> besides we could avoid all that by sending a memo out to members, to scrutineer the sav's loaded fully 14:46:40 <Ammler> KenjiE20: something like a save tester 14:46:50 <KenjiE20> or that 14:47:02 <Ammler> which does simple load a save and output the debug output for newgrfs 14:47:06 <KenjiE20> I was just thinking a new coop folder 14:47:47 <Ammler> should be easy grepable for grf errors 14:47:53 <KenjiE20> could probably make php load a sav as binary and pinch loadsave.cpp's stuff 14:48:40 <Ammler> also not sure, if openttd still needs a restart after bananas update 14:48:51 <KenjiE20> wouldn't have thought so 14:49:08 <KenjiE20> I never do when joining 14:49:59 <Ammler> but we need a restart for the logs anyway 14:50:17 <KenjiE20> yes, I mentioned that in the alter-verse 14:50:24 <KenjiE20> something for a future AP thingy 14:50:49 <Ammler> well, I was always in thought, Avignon will be future AO :-) 14:50:56 <Ammler> AP* 14:51:22 <KenjiE20> so do I, but it's easier to type AP :P 14:56:55 <Ammler> I meant, that is the reason, we didn't make much for AP anymore. 14:57:08 <Ammler> just some minor things to keep it working with trunk 15:06:16 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: #openttdcoop NewGRF package - Bug #542: Remove OpenGFX newgrfs @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/542#change-1509 (by Ammler) 15:06:16 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Feature #595: spin-off newgrfs @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/595#change-1510 (by Ammler) 15:40:20 *** Mark has quit IRC 15:42:08 *** Mark has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:42:22 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Mark 15:49:20 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:49:35 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v ODM 16:18:01 <Brot6> 2cctrainset: update from r322 to r323, starting nightly compile 16:18:32 <Brot6> 2cctrainset: compile done (10 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/2cctrainset/nightlies/ 16:18:33 <Brot6> bros: nightly compile not needed. (r10) 16:18:33 <Brot6> firs: update from r217 to r248, starting nightly compile 16:18:53 <Brot6> firs: compile done (1 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/nightlies/ 16:18:53 <Brot6> fish: nightly compile not needed. (r159) 16:18:53 <Brot6> heqs: nightly compile not needed. (r169) 16:18:54 <Brot6> nmts: nightly compile not needed. (r15) 16:18:54 <Brot6> opengfx: nightly compile not needed. (r205) 16:18:55 <Brot6> opensfx: nightly compile not needed. (r43) 16:18:56 <Brot6> worldairlineset: nightly compile not needed. (r584) 17:54:13 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:54:18 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v andythenorth 17:57:11 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 18:24:41 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:24:46 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v andythenorth 18:50:07 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 19:04:26 *** DJNekkid has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:04:31 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v DJNekkid 19:07:27 <DJNekkid> hmm ... how should i balance the running costs on the metros... 19:08:14 <DJNekkid> and im also thinking, is instant un/loading on them totally out of balance? 20:09:28 <DJNekkid> and: should they have mail/armor capabilities? :) 20:39:34 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Feature #595: spin-off newgrfs @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/595#change-1511 (by athanasios) 21:03:24 *** Seberoth has quit IRC 21:06:25 *** Seberoth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:06:35 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Seberoth 21:14:34 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:14:39 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v andythenorth 21:20:37 *** Seberoth2 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:20:47 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Seberoth2 21:27:58 *** Seberoth has quit IRC 21:33:35 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 21:52:10 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: it doesn't hurt to allow metros mail / armor capabilities 21:52:16 <planetmaker> what resembles "instant unloading"? You mean WAY faster than trains? 21:52:42 <planetmaker> might make it more attractive in metropolitan areas / as feeders. 21:53:14 <DJNekkid> currently its suppose to be 60/tick, vs 20 on regional and 8 on Ic trains 21:54:49 *** ODM has quit IRC 21:56:18 <planetmaker> hm... what about factors of 5? 21:56:31 <planetmaker> 8 vs. 40 vs. 200 21:58:34 <DJNekkid> id say 40 would be a bit much again on the regionals... 21:58:49 <DJNekkid> i mean; there are some semi-high speed ICs... 21:58:54 <DJNekkid> 200-230kmh ish 21:59:10 <DJNekkid> fastest regional is 160 or 80 iir 21:59:12 <DJNekkid> c 22:00:20 * Rubidium wonders what is considered an IC 22:01:20 <Rubidium> e.g. in Japan it's somewhat troublesome concept 22:02:14 <DJNekkid> well... 22:02:31 <DJNekkid> good question, but in 2cc set terms, pretty much trains faster then 200kmh 22:03:11 <Rubidium> and what's the distinction between metro and regional? 22:03:28 <DJNekkid> metro is sub100kmh, and regionals are inbetweens 22:03:53 <DJNekkid> well, all in all, regional trains are typical commuter trains 22:04:33 <Rubidium> in that case Japan doesn't have lots of metros ;) 22:04:45 <DJNekkid> hehe... 22:04:53 <DJNekkid> good thing we dont have many japanese trains then :P 22:06:10 <planetmaker> :-P 22:06:13 <Rubidium> the Japanese have a tendency to run their trains far outside of what you can consider the subway 22:06:41 <planetmaker> The Japanese set is GPL, though. If you feel that we miss something, I guess we could add a few more. And ask them nicely :-) 22:07:49 <Rubidium> although for... uhm... pax loading those Japanese 'regional' trains are, in urban areas, quite amazing 22:08:01 <planetmaker> :-D 22:08:09 <DJNekkid> well, if we look at france/paris ... TGVs are IC, RER is regional, and the metro is ... metro 22:08:23 <Rubidium> 3 to 5 'extra wide' double doors per carriage 22:08:31 <planetmaker> Japanese are quite compressible, if they start entering trains 22:08:38 <planetmaker> Europeans much less so 22:09:03 <DJNekkid> a good 20cm and kgs taller and heavier? :P 22:09:12 <planetmaker> and Japanese are quick there :-) 22:09:17 <KenjiE20> they also pack the seats away during rush hours 22:09:21 <planetmaker> ^^ 22:10:15 <Rubidium> KenjiE20: yup... but once the train is somewhat out of the city center people start using them (again) 22:10:39 <KenjiE20> depends, on both toc and area 22:10:42 <DJNekkid> anyway, we didnt get much closer to something useable here :) 22:10:42 <Rubidium> and not on all lines; they push lots of equipment under the seats 22:11:00 <KenjiE20> they physically remove them on some lines 22:11:39 <Rubidium> heh, that reminds me of a bridge in/near San Diego 22:12:15 <Rubidium> but what's the English word I need :( 22:12:38 <DJNekkid> translate.google.com :P 22:12:50 <KenjiE20> dunno, what is the english word you need? 22:13:22 <Rubidium> the concrete barrier they put between the two opposing driving directions on highways 22:15:38 <DJNekkid> what about it? 22:15:49 <KenjiE20> "central reservation"? 22:15:52 <Rubidium> anyhow, that concrete barrier is phyiscally moved twice a day to get more lanes into/out of San Diego 22:16:07 <DJNekkid> wow! thats quite impressive 22:16:26 <KenjiE20> they do that with some train lines too iirc 22:16:53 <KenjiE20> in India I think 22:17:38 <Rubidium> KenjiE20: for trains that would be replacing switches twice a day 22:17:46 <Rubidium> don't think they do that 22:18:00 <KenjiE20> "in India" <- key phrase :P 22:18:18 <Rubidium> that they use a 2 lines into the center and 1 out and vice versa later in the day is something quite different 22:21:13 <KenjiE20> I guess 22:22:21 <Rubidium> anyhow, balancing of loading time is going to be a bitch 22:24:24 <DJNekkid> well... ICs should be rather slow ... 22:24:34 <DJNekkid> the commuter trains a bit faster ... 22:24:47 <DJNekkid> and i am concidering doing the metros at VERY high 22:25:05 <DJNekkid> so that they enter a station, un/load, and go on 22:25:24 <DJNekkid> right now they tend to stop, and load, then they load a 2nd time when new pax arrive, etc 23:03:42 *** Chris_Booth is now known as Guest1206 23:03:49 *** Chris_Booth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 23:03:54 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Chris_Booth 23:09:02 *** Guest1206 has quit IRC 23:13:53 *** Chris_Booth is now known as Guest1208 23:13:58 *** Chris_Booth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 23:14:03 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Chris_Booth 23:16:04 *** Guest1208 has quit IRC 23:22:24 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Feature #595: spin-off newgrfs @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/595#change-1512 (by Ammler) 23:39:34 *** Chris_Booth has quit IRC