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08:28:04  <andythenorth> planetmaker:
08:28:07  <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums View topic - FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Development (at
08:28:14  <andythenorth> do you prefer the_pain_4 or the_pain_6 ?
08:31:29  <DJNekkid> 6!
08:34:45  <planetmaker> also 6
08:42:51  <andythenorth> I prefer 6 too
08:42:53  <andythenorth> easier to read
08:42:58  <andythenorth> relies on cb37
08:43:10  <DJNekkid> looks clean :)
08:43:15  <andythenorth> where are some devs when I need to ask them a question :)
08:43:27  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 334: add: 81-729.pnfo @ (by DJNekkid)
08:43:27  <andythenorth> Ah....Rubidium is here
08:44:05  <andythenorth> or not
08:53:03  <planetmaker> I guess you need to ask a question he a) can and b) wants to answer ;-)
09:24:01  <DJNekkid> prepare for spam :)
09:25:17  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 335: Add: Boston 01800 Metro @ (by DJNekkid)
09:25:17  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 336: Add: Caf90 @ (by DJNekkid)
09:25:18  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 337: Add: EV3-200 @ (by DJNekkid)
09:25:18  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 338: Add: M1 @ (by DJNekkid)
09:25:19  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 340: Add: Tokyo S01 @ (by DJNekkid)
09:25:22  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 339: Add: Piongyang D-stock @ (by DJNekkid)
09:25:25  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 341: Add: P-list texts to the new metros @ (by DJNekkid)
09:25:28  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 342: Fix: White px error on the M1 @ (by DJNekkid)
09:25:33  <DJNekkid> :D:D
09:34:17  <andythenorth> DJNekkid: nfo question
09:34:32  <DJNekkid> hit me!
09:34:58  <andythenorth> what default do you use for a varaction 2 that provides a callback result...when you *don't care* what the default result is
09:35:05  <andythenorth> wiki says FF FF
09:35:17  <andythenorth> Pikka / Dalestan say 'a valid action 2 ID'
09:35:39  <DJNekkid> usuallt FF FF, unless CB36
09:35:40  <andythenorth> I'll paste something...
09:37:05  <andythenorth>
09:37:28  <andythenorth> that's for 3D the industry cargo acceptance cb
09:37:57  <andythenorth> 'default' is meaningless here...cb has to know which cargo we are looking at
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09:47:57  <DJNekkid> hmm, let me se
09:49:08  <DJNekkid> that is a "extra callback line" right?
09:49:15  <DJNekkid> like 81 10 ?
09:49:56  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 253: Change: finished production code for Iron Ore Mine @ (by andythenorth)
09:53:13  <andythenorth> DJNekkid: kind of...that action 2 returns a result to the cb (a text ID)
09:53:25  <andythenorth> it's used by checking var 18 on the callback
09:54:41  <DJNekkid> point was, you probably have a callback line? -1 * 0  02 0x ID 81 0C 00 FF 0x  C0 00 CB CB   C1 00 CB CB   C2 00 CB CB   <attach gfx>
09:55:02  <DJNekkid> and this "18" is pointed to by one of the Cx in that line ?
09:56:26  <andythenorth> Yes, I have the action checking 0C for callbacks
09:56:52  <andythenorth> updated...
09:57:40  <andythenorth> FF FF seems to work fine...
09:57:48  <andythenorth> I might just stick with it.
09:57:50  <DJNekkid> well ... in general, as ive understood it, unless you actually need the default, and it actually can be reached, it dont really matter what you put there. Some CB's NEED FF FF, like articulation...
09:58:03  <DJNekkid> but some, like CB36 bugs if it gets a FF FF
09:58:16  <andythenorth> If I'm wrong, I guess it's just a lot of copy and paste :|
09:58:40  <andythenorth> Hey ho
09:58:45  <andythenorth> and on we go
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10:11:34  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 254: Change: production code for Coal Mine @ (by andythenorth)
10:15:44  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 255: Change: production code for Forest @ (by andythenorth)
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16:18:01  <Brot6> 2cctrainset: update from r325 to r342, starting nightly compile
16:18:34  <Brot6> 2cctrainset: compile done (1 errors) -
16:18:35  <Brot6> bros: nightly compile not needed. (r10)
16:18:35  <Brot6> firs: update from r251 to r255, starting nightly compile
16:18:58  <Brot6> firs: compile done (1 errors) -
16:18:59  <Brot6> fish: nightly compile not needed. (r159)
16:18:59  <Brot6> heqs: nightly compile not needed. (r169)
16:18:59  <Brot6> nmts: nightly compile not needed. (r15)
16:18:59  <Brot6> opengfx: nightly compile not needed. (r205)
16:19:00  <Brot6> opensfx: nightly compile not needed. (r43)
16:19:01  <Brot6> worldairlineset: nightly compile not needed. (r584)
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16:27:44  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 343: Add: MP89 @ (by DJNekkid)
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16:30:33  <Ammler> hmm, something dj and andy should learn, before adding new features, you should fix existing bugs.
16:30:41  <Ammler> (or make those silent)
16:31:16  <DJNekkid> i fixed one yesterday! :)
16:31:21  <Ammler> :-P
16:32:41  <Ammler> I should add automatic ticket creation to the compile farm
16:33:03  <Ammler> with priority "immedieate"
16:33:12  <Ammler> ;-)
16:37:32  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 344: Fix: removed one 'bug', unused CID's on the chimaera @ (by DJNekkid)
16:37:37  <DJNekkid> but thoose "found psuedosprite while looking for sprite0" and "a portion of sprite0 could not be processed" ... thoose im not sure on how to fix
16:38:56  <andythenorth_> Ammler: hit me up, where are my bugs this time :D
16:41:06  <Ammler>
16:41:13  <Ammler> chekc the logs :-P
16:41:32  <Ammler> "A portion of sprite 198 could not be processed."
16:42:54  <Ammler> but
16:43:09  <DJNekkid> i dont have any one of them locally ...
16:43:43  <Ammler> I don't see it either
16:44:25  <Ammler> that was firs, 2cc is:
16:44:30  <Ammler> Found pseudosprite continuation line while looking for sprite 1.
16:44:31  <Ammler> A portion of sprite 0 could not be processed.
16:44:33  <Ammler> Unexpected EOF: Unused CargoIDs detected for feature 0.
16:44:41  <DJNekkid> last one were fixed in 344 :)
16:45:07  <DJNekkid> thoose two first one i have no idea on how to solve...
16:45:39  <Ammler> I am so sorry :-$
16:45:43  <Ammler> me neither
16:46:03  <andythenorth_> Ammler: that FIRS error makes no sense to me...sprite 198 is just a text, there's nothing wrong with it
16:46:06  <Ammler> and you don't have those errors local?
16:46:14  <andythenorth_> It's unchanged, has been for ages, FooBar wrote that months ago
16:46:22  <Ammler> maybe the server renum is buggy
16:46:50  <andythenorth_> I'd be surprised if there *aren't* errors in my new action 2 chain code though
16:47:07  <andythenorth_> And FISH should be producing errors
16:47:08  <DJNekkid> but there arent? :P
16:47:28  <Ammler> andythenorth_: I guess, I had FISH in mind :-)
16:47:47  <Ammler> also you Release annoucement is very nice, but why the plain grf?
16:48:06  <Ammler> it is btw, against the license :-P
16:48:26  <andythenorth_> I know
16:48:44  <andythenorth_> but OpenTTD using copyrighted files from TTD is also against the GPL
16:48:55  <Ammler> it doesn't
16:49:02  <andythenorth_> mine does ;)
16:49:15  <Ammler> you have original sprites in fish?
16:49:28  <Ammler> wow, that is ugly
16:49:33  <andythenorth_> no no
16:49:34  <Ammler> why not using opengfx?
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17:14:46  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 256: Change: production code for Junk Yard @ (by andythenorth)
17:15:48  <DJNekkid> i HATE licenses...
17:16:04  <DJNekkid> especially when the gpl.txt needs to be attached to every release!
17:16:18  <DJNekkid> complicates things!
17:16:21  <DJNekkid> for the end user!
17:16:28  <DJNekkid> <3 simplicity
17:18:17  <Rubidium> andythenorth_: really? Is it illegal for GPL applications to load copyrighted files?
17:18:41  <andythenorth_> Rubidium: it's all in the interpretation apparently
17:18:58  <Ammler> it isn't, it is fully legal
17:19:09  <Rubidium> cause if that's the case, we ought to disable all non GPL NewGRFs
17:19:14  <Ammler> the issue openttd has, it uses some original graphics in openttd.grf
17:19:15  <andythenorth_> Are they 'data' or 'documents'...or are they libraries or shared code that exists in the same memory / execution space
17:19:26  <andythenorth_> personally I won't lose sleep over it
17:20:13  <Rubidium> the TTD files are data, NewGRFs *might* be considered, at least partly, code
17:20:17  <Ammler> subdirectory data should tell you ;-)
17:21:08  <Ammler> hmm, but then you can't make a excel file GPL ;-)
17:21:15  <DJNekkid> ohno! not a new if ottd + ttd files legal or not discussion :)
17:22:07  <Ammler> DJNekkid: isn't it a interesting topic?
17:22:25  <Rubidium> Ammler: no, you can't open a non-GPL spreadsheet with formulas in OpenOffice (would be a better analogy)
17:23:29  <Ammler> indeed, but also the other way, you can't open a GPL spreadsheet in excel, like the 2cc data sheet.
17:23:33  <Rubidium> oh and Ammler... no new features (for you) till we've found a new Mac OS X developer and we've fixed all bugs
17:23:43  <Ammler> :-P
17:23:53  <DJNekkid> no soup for you! :)
17:24:33  <Ammler> fixing osx bugs is like adding features ;-)
17:25:13  <DJNekkid> anyway ... microsoft use some pirated sound anyway...
17:26:15  <andythenorth_> Apple have a sound called sosumi (so sue me), but that's entirely unrelated to GPL
17:26:16  <Rubidium> yeah.... "arrrrrgh"
17:26:17  <andythenorth_> :)
17:26:58  <andythenorth_> oh what a lovely lot of code industries need
17:27:01  <andythenorth_> all those tiles :)
17:27:04  <Ammler> Rubidium: if you don't build osx anymore, you could use that server for rpms ;-)
17:28:19  <Rubidium> could do that now to, but I haven't found the 'mood' to figure out how the whole thing works
17:28:44  <Rubidium> and the 'real' question is: what versions to make the RPM for?
17:28:52  <Ammler> the obs server farm could also build debian and ubuntu
17:29:00  <Ammler> Rubidium: all
17:29:12  <Rubidium> got the feeling that for it to be useful you'd end up with a dozen or so compiles
17:29:17  <Ammler> well, at least centos, fedora, mandriva and suse
17:29:28  <planetmaker> Rubidium: any chance to provide translations for the descriptive texts concerning OpenGFX / OpenSFX
17:29:30  <planetmaker> ?
17:30:09  <planetmaker> It looks weired with e.g. chinese text all over - and those two have English descriptions
17:30:36  <Rubidium> hmm, that could technically be done without breaking lots of stuff
17:31:04  <Rubidium> although... Ammler won't like it
17:31:05  <Ammler> <-- those in x86_64 and i586 are built quite easy.
17:31:08  <Ammler> also without obs
17:31:24  <planetmaker> consider it a feature request with very-low priority :-) It just ... hit my eye when toying around with languages
17:31:36  <Rubidium> Ammler: so 26 extra targets?
17:32:21  <Rubidium> 13 new VMs to make, or one massive VM with lots of chroots
17:33:06  <Ammler> do you make new VMs for every build
17:33:13  <planetmaker> eh? you talking about localized versions of OpenGFX?
17:33:52  <Rubidium> with 6-7 minutes a build -> 26*7/3 -> 1 hour extra time needed for the compile run
17:33:56  <Rubidium> planetmaker: nope
17:34:04  <planetmaker> ok :-)
17:34:49  <Rubidium> + extra mirroring time -> compiles are done around 22:00 instead of 20:45
17:34:49  <Ammler> is it possible to see, which nightly will be built before the build is finished?
17:34:59  <Ammler> or just svn info at 20:00 CEST?
17:35:24  <Rubidium> for me it is, for you it isn't
17:35:40  <Rubidium> but that's primarily because I've got access to the log of the compile farm's actions
17:35:57  <planetmaker> :-P
17:36:30  <Ammler> well, obs might not be happy, if I trigger a compile every day :-)
17:36:38  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 345: Fix: some minor alignment bugs on MP89 and M1 @ (by DJNekkid)
17:37:10  <Ammler> and if they branch a new distro, it needs around 1-2 days to make a build :-D
17:38:30  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 257: Change: production code for Oil Wells @ (by andythenorth)
17:38:42  <Ammler> but I could make openttdcoop builds
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17:38:58  <Ammler> something like weeklies
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17:43:06  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 258: Change: production code for Sand Pit @ (by andythenorth)
17:53:02  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #598 (New): Oil Platform @ (by andythenorth)
17:53:49  <Ammler> I don't have any error local, either.
17:54:56  <Ammler> It's a bug on the server
17:54:58  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #598: Oil Platform @ (by andythenorth)
17:55:00  <Ammler> :-(
18:01:57  <Ammler> with the binary from, it is worse
18:04:02  <Brot6> 2cctrainset: Backup push to ssh:// initiated.
18:04:06  <Ammler> Rubidium: did you patch nforenum to make it compile with your cf?
18:04:17  <Brot6> firs: Backup push to ssh:// initiated.
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18:08:21  <Rubidium> Ammler: no
18:09:03  <Ammler> also the revision detection seems failed
18:09:22  <Ammler> hmm, strange
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18:19:52  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 259: Change: production code for Oil Platform @ (by andythenorth)
18:25:41  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #598: Oil Platform @ (by andythenorth)
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18:40:53  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 260: Change: production code for Arable Farm @ (by andythenorth)
18:48:24  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 261: Change: production code for Mixed Farm @ (by andythenorth)
18:52:00  <DJNekkid> good night, off to a vorspiel before a GiG at 11...
18:52:01  <DJNekkid> ttyl
18:52:42  <PeterT> bye DJNekkid
18:55:48  <Ammler> DJNekkid: not too much!
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19:03:14  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 262: Change: production code for Sheep Farm @ (by andythenorth)
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19:33:37  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 263: Change: production code for Dairy Farm @ (by andythenorth)
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19:35:58  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 264: Change: production code for Fruit Plantation @ (by andythenorth)
19:42:31  <PeterT> Hmm, andythenorth is working today
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21:02:26  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 266: Change: set temporary production values for Bakery @ (by andythenorth)
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21:12:15  <Rubidium> rypo!
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22:04:05  <Brot6> firs: Backup push to ssh:// initiated.
22:04:35  <DJNekkid[at]gig> <3 Brot6
22:09:38  <DJNekkid[at]gig> if anyone care ... a GREAT french housetune ... blasphemic as the best of us ...
22:09:49  <DJNekkid[at]gig> "Ben Mono - Jesus was a B-boy"
22:09:52  <Ammler> he, do you play your songs directly from internet?
22:09:55  <DJNekkid[at]gig> amsome lyrics :)
22:10:00  <DJNekkid[at]gig> no, CD :)
22:10:14  <DJNekkid[at]gig> but downloaded from the net :p
22:10:23  <Ammler> just because you are online :-P
22:11:27  <DJNekkid[at]gig> occationally do someone ask for a tune i done have, so i then download it :)
22:12:15  <Ammler> so it is a private party?
22:12:21  <DJNekkid[at]gig> nope
22:12:33  <DJNekkid[at]gig> discotec in my city
22:12:54  <Ammler> play some tycoon jazz ;-)
22:13:08  <DJNekkid[at]gig> im not far away atm
22:13:14  <Ammler> :-D
22:13:21  <DJNekkid[at]gig>
22:13:23  <Webster> Title: YouTube - Cropped Dali FastForward (at
22:14:00  <DJNekkid[at]gig> that one is "jesus is a B-boy2
22:14:12  <Ammler> from you?
22:14:16  <DJNekkid[at]gig>
22:14:17  <Webster> Title: YouTube - Neuroxyde,Doomwork-Jazzy Stuff (Original Mix) (at
22:14:29  <DJNekkid[at]gig> no, i didnt make it ... "ben mono" did :)
22:14:35  <DJNekkid[at]gig> but the lyrics is awsome! :)
22:15:08  <Ammler> oh, ineed, lyrics
22:15:18  <Ammler> well
22:15:24  <DJNekkid[at]gig> blasphemic as hell!
22:15:29  <DJNekkid[at]gig> its just great :p
22:15:52  <Ammler> is it serious?
22:16:07  <DJNekkid[at]gig> the tune? well ... i love it! :)
22:17:02  <Ammler> do people understand english in your city?
22:17:22  <DJNekkid[at]gig> we have s
22:17:32  <DJNekkid[at]gig> we have english in schools from the age of 9 or 10
22:17:58  <Ammler> well, here it is around 1 of 10
22:18:06  <Ammler> rather fewer
22:18:12  <DJNekkid[at]gig> here it is .. 9/10 :)
22:18:27  <DJNekkid[at]gig> personally i RARELY read subtitles on TV
22:18:55  <Ammler> I am one of the better english speaker, that means somehting ;-)
22:19:26  <DJNekkid[at]gig> your mother tounge is french?
22:19:36  <Ammler> swiss-german
22:19:43  <DJNekkid[at]gig> oki...
22:19:50  <Ammler> french is the first foreign language in school
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22:19:59  <Ammler> english or italian the 2nd
22:20:00  <DJNekkid[at]gig> isnt switzerland (or how its written) parted by "german" and "french" =?
22:20:15  <Ammler> around 50% german
22:20:24  <Ammler> 30% french
22:20:30  <Ammler> no, 40
22:20:35  <Ammler> and 10 italian
22:20:37  <DJNekkid[at]gig> 10% "other" ? :)
22:20:42  <Ammler> and 1 other
22:20:51  <planetmaker> :-) Rätoromanisch
22:20:53  <Ammler> well, and then there are the new languages
22:21:04  <Ammler> like german :-P
22:21:25  <Ammler> and slawian
22:21:29  <Ammler> or how that is called
22:21:44  <DJNekkid[at]gig> "east block"-languages? :)
22:21:59  <Ammler> yeah,
22:23:09  <Rubidium> oh planetmaker... you're lagging :)
22:23:17  <Ammler> but it might have changed lately and english became first foreign language either.
22:23:20  <planetmaker> hm?
22:23:35  <Ammler> too*
22:24:03  <Rubidium> I still haven't seen translations from you
22:24:11  <Ammler> :-)
22:24:35  <Rubidium> too cryptic?
22:24:44  <Ammler> planetmaker: check the ottd commit log ;-)
22:24:59  <DJNekkid[at]gig> i probably should let you guys stream a gig i have one time :)=
22:25:34  <Ammler> I rarly listen such music....
22:26:16  * Rubidium has no clue what kind of music it is
22:26:23  <DJNekkid[at]gig> if there is any interset i mean
22:26:52  <DJNekkid[at]gig> Rubidium: mainly house, a good portion of house-remixes of current indy-rock, some trance, some RnB
22:27:20  <Ammler> do you mix self?
22:27:39  <DJNekkid[at]gig> i dont remix, but i mix the tunes into eachother if thats what you mean
22:27:43  <Ammler> he, you could mix some sounds for opensfx :-P
22:27:50  <DJNekkid[at]gig> nope :)
22:27:59  <planetmaker> I don't get it. But that might be due to the time...
22:28:00  <Rubidium> oh... the only house I listen to is gregory ;)
22:28:10  <planetmaker> good night
22:28:30  <Rubidium> translatable open[sg]fx descriptions?
22:30:58  <Ammler> DJNekkid[at]gig: mostly it is very "cheap" sound
22:31:26  <DJNekkid[at]gig> sounds like a few girls i know :)
22:31:34  <DJNekkid[at]gig> anyway, "my" music or opensfx?
22:32:30  <Ammler> your music is like playing opensfx in oue stream
22:32:47  <Ammler> he, that might be fun ;-)
22:33:59  <DJNekkid[at]gig> oue?
22:34:09  <Ammler> one
22:34:28  <DJNekkid[at]gig> hehe!
22:34:28  <DJNekkid[at]gig> sure would!
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