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00:57:59 *** KenjiE20|LT has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 00:58:04 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 02:33:40 <Brot6> Backup done! (Usage: 104M) 02:33:40 <Brot6> YOW!! Everybody out of the GENETIC POOL! 02:48:52 *** KenjiE20|LT has quit IRC 03:53:23 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 09:17:53 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 350: Converted Steel Mill to production code @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/350 (by andythenorth) 09:17:53 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 351: Converted Recycling Plant to improved production code @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/351 (by andythenorth) 09:22:58 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 352: Converted Sawmill to improved production code @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/352 (by andythenorth) 09:22:59 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 353: Fix: mistake with production values for Recycling P... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/353 (by andythenorth) 09:24:47 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 09:25:54 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 354: Fix: mistake eith production values for Steel Mill @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/354 (by andythenorth) 09:35:29 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Feature #136: add test case / test save @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/136#change-1589 (by planetmaker) 10:04:42 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 10:07:19 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:15:38 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Revision 211: Change: a bit syntax change in the Makefile @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/211 (by planetmaker) 10:24:23 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 355: Change: converted Furniture Factory to improved pro... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/355 (by andythenorth) 10:52:12 <andythenorth> ^^ someone should tell Neko 9.9 10:52:39 <planetmaker> hehe :-) 10:53:18 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 356: Change: converted Metal Foundry to improved product... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/356 (by andythenorth) 11:02:30 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Revision 212: Feature: Fizzy drink factory. (Sprites by Zuu, closes #115) @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/212 (by planetmaker) 11:02:30 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Feature #115 (Closed): Sprites 4737:4742 (6) - Toyland: Fizzy drink factory @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/115#change-1590 (by planetmaker) 11:04:05 <Brot6> firs: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/firs/firs/ initiated. 11:04:17 <Brot6> opengfx: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/OpenTTD/opengfx/ initiated. 11:09:42 <Rubidium> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=828713#p828713 <- since when does MacOS imply MacOSX? 11:09:44 <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums View topic - [OTTD] New Monorail Trains Set (at www.tt-forums.net) 11:11:04 <planetmaker> Rubidium: you mean "Mac implies MacOS"? 11:11:08 <planetmaker> Probably since never 11:11:54 <planetmaker> MacOS implying MacOSX since there's no System 9 anymore 11:12:09 <Rubidium> still people are using system9 11:12:16 <planetmaker> e.g. good enough IMO 11:12:16 <Rubidium> not much, but still 11:12:31 <planetmaker> yeah, but those don't play OpenTTD 11:12:40 <planetmaker> People also still use MSDOS 11:13:12 <Rubidium> yes, and you can port it to there 11:13:27 <Rubidium> with allegro, actually it worked for me in dosbox 11:13:46 <planetmaker> :-) 11:42:49 *** mark has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:53:51 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:04:52 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Feature #115 (Closed): Sprites 4737:4742 (6) - Toyland: Fizzy drink factory @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/115#change-1590 (by planetmaker) 12:13:58 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 12:30:54 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Revision 213: Fix (r212): Alignment of one battery farm sprite @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/213 (by planetmaker) 12:42:38 <planetmaker> hm... we don't want date or time somewhere in a newgrf, right? It would modify the md5sum, if built at another date or time... 12:49:14 <Ammler> same rev = same md5sum 13:30:28 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:36:23 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 13:41:31 *** LordAzamath has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:45:02 *** tneo has quit IRC 13:45:03 *** SmatZ has quit IRC 13:45:03 *** XeryusTC has quit IRC 13:45:03 *** planetmaker has quit IRC 13:47:50 *** yorick has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:49:39 <Hirundo> [IS] Please read http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/631 and discuss 13:50:01 *** PeterT has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:50:08 *** mark has quit IRC 13:50:25 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Support #631 (New): Code reduction/restructuring @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/631 (by Hirundo) 13:55:13 <Ammler> Hirundo: does that mean, it isn't possible to make a fixed beta4 before that? 13:55:32 <PeterT> I hope there is an update soon 13:55:33 <Ammler> if so, we should remove the release 13:55:35 <Hirundo> What is the status of beta 4 now? 13:55:41 <Ammler> it is broken 13:56:31 <Hirundo> was it released in broken state, or was it never brought to the public? 13:56:42 <Ammler> not really public. 13:56:51 <Ammler> just on our dev server 13:56:57 <Ammler> #openttdcoop.dev 13:57:51 <Hirundo> Since it is already out there, next version would be 5 I presume 13:57:54 <Ammler> the bug was found quite fast, so there was no annoucement. 13:58:18 <Ammler> Hirundo: that is why I ask, as your ticket has target beta5 :-) 13:58:37 <Hirundo> fixed beta4=beta 5 IMO 13:58:38 <yorick> Ammler: where did this autopilot channel move to 13:58:41 <Ammler> well, we could fix beta4 and release beta4a 13:59:04 <Ammler> yorick: #openttdcoop or #openttd or maybe #codecubes 13:59:33 <Hirundo> How much fixing is required? 13:59:53 <Ammler> that is something I have no idea, but not easy 13:59:59 <Ammler> else planetmaker would have done it. 14:00:18 <Ammler> I thought, you 2 discussed that already ;-) 14:00:51 <Ammler> I just wonder, should we remove the tag/release from the devzone 14:02:01 <Ammler> yorick: if you wonder about timestamp support, I made 2 commits to the ap+ svn 14:02:11 <Hirundo> I'll download tip to see how bad the bugs are 14:02:21 * yorick doesn't wonder about timestamp support 14:02:29 <yorick> petert wants to know how to bridge ingame to irc 14:02:54 <Ammler> yes, that's possible with ap+ 14:03:00 <PeterT> not exactly, more in-game, to another in-game 14:03:15 <Ammler> that's possible too, 14:03:24 <yorick> Ammler: btw, do you allow AGPL on your devzone? 14:03:27 <Ammler> simply keep both server in same irc channel :-) 14:03:40 <Ammler> yorick: no idea about "A"... 14:03:50 *** LordAzamath has quit IRC 14:04:10 <yorick> Ammler: it requires to distribute source when communicating to it over networks 14:04:24 <yorick> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affero_General_Public_License 14:04:26 <Webster> Title: Affero General Public License - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org) 14:04:37 <Ammler> which means? 14:05:23 <yorick> which means people can't use * to make closed-source servers 14:06:56 <Ammler> ok, seems fine, do you want to make such a project`? 14:07:24 <yorick> not yet... 14:07:27 <yorick> just checking ;) 14:08:22 <Ammler> it seems compatible to GPL, so I see no reason to forbid it, why should we? 14:09:21 <yorick> google code strangely dislikes it 14:09:57 <Ammler> yeah, I guess, they like to use gpl software modify it and don't distribute that. 14:10:23 <Ammler> if they would use agpl, they would need to, as most things they do is server based :-) 14:10:49 * yorick can see google releasing their crawler source :D 14:11:15 *** PeterT has quit IRC 14:14:12 <Ammler> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AGPL_web_applications <-- I don't know any of those 14:14:14 <Webster> Title: List of AGPL web applications - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org) 14:17:10 <yorick> not launchpad? 14:17:39 <yorick> it's like github but for bazaar, like bitbucket but for bazaar 14:18:35 *** PeterT has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:18:48 <Ammler> I know launchpad 14:18:54 <PeterT> yorick 14:19:02 <yorick> now what 14:19:04 <PeterT> I've checked out the pyton 14:19:18 <yorick> good 14:19:39 <PeterT> I'm changing the config/commands 14:19:45 <yorick> also good 14:20:09 <PeterT> is the nickname allowed to have spaces in it? 14:20:10 <yorick> so? 14:20:13 <yorick> no 14:20:25 <yorick> irc nickname not 14:20:29 <yorick> openttd nickname is ok 14:20:56 <PeterT> ok 14:21:14 <PeterT> what is "starttime.txt"? 14:21:43 <yorick> ignore it, it's part of timewarning stuff 14:22:01 <yorick> unless it complains about it, then you need to remove the timewarning stuff 14:22:54 <PeterT> I want a time warning though 14:23:01 <yorick> then you shouldn't ignore it 14:23:11 <PeterT> never mind, for now I will ignore it 14:25:03 <PeterT> yorick: the commands, (!help), are they sent in PMs? 14:25:11 <yorick> no 14:25:22 <PeterT> ok 14:26:45 <PeterT> finished messing with the config, now what? 14:27:10 <yorick> you can invoke it in console 14:27:18 <yorick> ottd-client.py ip:port 14:27:44 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:28:19 <PeterT> oh 14:28:23 <PeterT> never knew that :) 14:28:37 * yorick slaps forehead 14:28:37 <PeterT> does that mean I have to checkout to a certain place? 14:28:48 <yorick> no 14:28:55 <PeterT> I checked out to my desktop 14:29:09 * yorick bangs head against table 14:29:14 <yorick> move the thing then 14:29:37 <PeterT> where? 14:29:50 <yorick> to another place 14:29:57 *** Chris_Booth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:30:35 <yorick> it's not just me, is it 14:30:47 <PeterT> where though? 14:31:01 <PeterT> I meant, I checked out to desktop/Python 14:31:09 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 357: Change: converted Textil Mill to use production tem... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/357 (by andythenorth) 14:31:11 <Ammler> lalalala... OT? lalalala.... 14:31:12 <yorick> oh 14:31:20 <yorick> just run it from there 14:31:35 * yorick waves at ammler 14:31:35 *** Booth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:31:36 *** Chris_Booth is now known as Guest262 14:31:37 *** Booth is now known as Chris_Booth 14:31:41 <Ammler> :-) 14:35:28 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 358: Change: converted Aluminium Mill to production temp... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/358 (by andythenorth) 14:37:42 <PeterT> yorick: I've entered ottd-client.py ip:port in command prompt and it says "windows cannot open this file" 14:37:54 <yorick> you do have python installed, do you 14:38:12 <PeterT> No. you never told me to install it 14:38:18 <PeterT> I'm just following directions 14:38:23 <yorick> it's called openttd-python you ... 14:38:32 <yorick> and it's "written in python" 14:38:41 <yorick> on top of that, it's a ".py" file 14:39:04 *** Guest262 has quit IRC 14:40:47 <PeterT> for all, is there a patch to disable deleting signs? 14:43:37 <yorick> it's not that hard to make 14:45:11 <PeterT> for you it's not hard 14:48:39 <yorick> *cough*network_server.cpp*cough* 14:53:57 <PeterT> yorick: http://paste.openttd.org/217661 14:54:35 <yorick> PeterT: you don't actually have a server running there 14:54:44 <PeterT> hmm? 14:54:53 <PeterT> I have a server running, did I insert the wrong IP? 14:54:58 <yorick> at 192.168.1.36:3979 14:55:08 <yorick> you could try localhost:3979 if you want to 14:55:47 <PeterT> Ok, I tried 76.19.168.104:3979 14:56:01 <PeterT> it didn't give the starttimefile error 14:56:12 <PeterT> but the other errors are still there 14:56:43 <yorick> it means your server isn't reachable 14:56:55 <yorick> try to connect to this ip with a client 14:57:31 <PeterT> that can't be the problem 14:57:38 <PeterT> 4 people are connected already 14:58:08 <KenjiE20> "error: [Errno 10061] No connection could be made because the target machine actively refused it" <- the hints right there in the paste 14:59:02 <PeterT> so, how do I not refuse it 14:59:47 <yorick> by having something listen there 15:00:31 <PeterT> like what kind of program? 15:00:50 <yorick> openttd server 15:01:10 <KenjiE20> @servtest 76.19.168.104 3979 15:01:10 <Webster> KenjiE20: Server at 76.19.168.104:3979 is not up (timed out) 15:01:19 <KenjiE20> tada 15:01:39 <PeterT> hold on, I may have screwed something up 15:01:54 <PeterT> @servtest 76.19.168.104 3978 15:01:55 <Webster> PeterT: Server at 76.19.168.104:3978 is up. 15:02:04 * PeterT embarresed 15:02:36 <PeterT> ok 15:02:46 *** mark has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:03:01 <yorick> ooh, supybots 15:03:07 <PeterT> it still gives errors 15:03:10 <KenjiE20> quite 15:03:12 <yorick> now what 15:03:30 <PeterT> same thing 15:03:35 <PeterT> wait 15:03:38 <yorick> try connecting to your local ip 15:04:04 <Brot6> firs: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/firs/firs/ initiated. 15:04:04 <yorick> most routers are too stupid to forward it back 15:04:13 <PeterT> this: http://paste.openttd.org/217663 15:04:15 <Brot6> opengfx: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/OpenTTD/opengfx/ initiated. 15:04:50 <PeterT> so it's a "timeout" 15:05:23 <yorick> connect to your local ip 15:05:27 <yorick> 192.168.1.* 15:05:38 <Chris_Booth> 127.0.0.1 15:05:43 <yorick> or that 15:05:44 <Chris_Booth> loop back to local IP 15:05:56 <yorick> KenjiE20: you can make it do nicer stuff, like displaying server name :) 15:06:14 <KenjiE20> I could, but I cba 15:06:39 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:06:44 <yorick> canadian bar association? 15:06:50 <PeterT> works :) 15:06:55 <KenjiE20> Can't Be Arsed 15:07:09 <PeterT> thanks Yorick, Chris_Booth, and KenjiE20 15:07:22 <PeterT> but now it disconnected ;) 15:07:26 <yorick> PeterT: ok, now get your own irc channel and stop bothering us 15:07:34 <KenjiE20> he has one 15:07:35 <yorick> also put productive to off 15:07:40 <KenjiE20> there's no one ever there though 15:07:49 <PeterT> #openttdmegaclan? 15:08:04 <PeterT> that's not mine 15:08:22 <yorick> that's actually mine 15:09:09 <KenjiE20> "Channel masters: PeterT" it's yours 15:09:12 <yorick> PeterT: get your own irc channel and please disable this !quit command 15:11:47 <yorick> could someone give the guy at 207.61.78.234 a cookie for having a nice upload speed? 15:12:07 <PeterT> what are you downloading? 15:12:17 <yorick> up! 15:14:18 <Chris_Booth> #openttdmegaclan 15:14:38 <yorick> huh 15:15:12 <Chris_Booth> i typed in the wrong thing 15:15:14 <Chris_Booth> sorry 15:15:33 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 15:21:02 <Hirundo> What should my commit message be to automatically close a bug ticket? 15:21:15 <Hirundo> [IS] Fix (Bug #XXX): some text here? 15:22:26 <PeterT> es 15:22:27 <PeterT> yes 15:22:57 <PeterT> yorick: is the bot able to excecute IRC commands to register? 15:23:10 <yorick> no 15:23:17 <PeterT> ok 15:24:55 * yorick gone 15:26:23 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 13627: [IS] Fix: (fix #609) Crash when opening the sharing window. @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/13627 (by Hirundo) 15:26:23 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Bug #609 (Closed): crash when opening sharing settings @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/609#change-1591 (by Hirundo) 15:27:12 <Ammler> Hirundo: https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/home/wiki/Writing_Commit_Messages 15:27:24 <Hirundo> Already found that :) 15:27:26 <Ammler> fix fix? 15:28:03 <Ammler> btw., there is no keyword needed anymore for reference, that should happen just by mentioning the ticket 15:28:45 <Hirundo> According to the document, "fix #XX" autocloses the issue 15:29:01 <Hirundo> and just "#XX" does not 15:30:34 * yorick back 15:33:34 <Ammler> "Fix #XX:" would also 15:34:06 *** XeryusTC has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:34:11 <Ammler> or else you could move it to the end of the message 15:34:24 <Ammler> (better for changelog) 15:34:36 *** SmatZ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:36:36 *** tneo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:36:36 *** Guest269 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:36:50 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: #openttdcoop - Wiki edit: Writing_Commit_Messages (#8) @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/16/wiki/Writing_Commit_Messages?version=8 (by Ammler) 15:39:10 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: #openttdcoop - Wiki edit: Writing_Commit_Messages (#9) @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/16/wiki/Writing_Commit_Messages?version=9 (by Ammler) 15:43:35 <yorick> bah..60kb/s is slow 15:48:12 * yorick should really do something productive 15:55:38 *** Guest269 is now known as planetmaker 15:57:17 * yorick waves at pm :) 15:57:34 <planetmaker> hello yorick :-) 15:57:44 <yorick> see, I'm still not doing anything productive 15:58:58 <planetmaker> err... well, if you say so 16:14:06 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 13628: [IS] Codehange/Fix: Compute the scroll count of the shar... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/13628 (by Hirundo) 16:15:14 <Chris_Booth> is IS2 beta 4 working yet PM? 16:19:36 <PeterT> will IS2 beta 4 be based on the latest trunk? 16:22:38 *** PeterT has quit IRC 16:22:47 *** PeterT has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:23:20 <Rubidium> PM? RM! 16:23:41 *** PeterT has quit IRC 16:24:02 <KenjiE20> Rubi has "The Touch" :P 16:24:17 *** PeterT has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:24:22 <Rubidium> huh? 16:24:37 <Rubidium> he's asking for the release manager, right? 16:24:39 * yorick wtfs 16:24:45 <KenjiE20> you say two words and 20secs later peter quit :P 16:24:47 *** PeterT has quit IRC 16:25:07 <Rubidium> oh god, has he infected this channel too? 16:25:13 <KenjiE20> yes 16:25:46 <yorick> I think he's tracking me 16:26:04 <Rubidium> poor you 16:26:28 <yorick> alas, poor me 16:26:37 *** PeterT has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:27:10 *** PeterT has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:27:33 <yorick> PeterT: could you please just decide whether to stay or go 16:28:00 <PeterT> ychat is being very annoying 16:28:27 <yorick> then it's perfect for you 16:29:33 *** PeterT has quit IRC 16:29:38 *** PeterT has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:29:44 <PeterT> pefect! 16:29:48 <PeterT> now it's fixed 16:33:30 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Bug #608: assertion in economy.cpp:703 in beta3 @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/608#change-1592 (by Hirundo) 16:34:23 <yorick> PeterT: why are you here? 16:36:18 <PeterT> I'm not gonna dignify that with a response 16:37:39 <yorick> you just did! 16:38:54 <Ammler> does it matter? As long as you stay on topic... 17:06:58 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:12:55 <planetmaker> Chris_Booth: no, it's not yet working 17:18:02 <Brot6> 2cctrainset: nightly compile not needed. (r356) 17:18:06 <Brot6> bros: nightly compile not needed. (r10) 17:18:07 <Brot6> firs: update from r349 to r358, starting nightly compile 17:18:40 <Brot6> firs: compile done (1 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/nightlies/ 17:18:40 <Brot6> fish: nightly compile not needed. (r159) 17:18:41 <Brot6> heqs: nightly compile not needed. (r169) 17:18:41 <Brot6> nmts: nightly compile not needed. (r15) 17:18:41 <Brot6> opengfx: update from r210 to r213, starting nightly compile 17:19:37 <Brot6> opengfx: compile done (0 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/opengfx/nightlies/ 17:19:37 <Brot6> opensfx: nightly compile not needed. (r43) 17:19:37 <Brot6> worldairlineset: nightly compile not needed. (r584) 17:49:14 <planetmaker> andythenorth: would you agree that we might include into FIRS something like #ifdef TTDP ... #else ... #endif 17:49:21 <planetmaker> so that we could do something like 17:49:28 <planetmaker> make TTDP 17:49:41 <planetmaker> in order to create a grf for TTDP from FIRS? 17:49:56 <andythenorth> planetmaker: in principle yes 17:50:04 <andythenorth> depends how fragile the code is in TTDPatch 17:50:09 <andythenorth> I have no idea about that :P 17:50:26 <Ammler> you should have someone using it there 17:50:28 <planetmaker> but same as you, I can only test it by installing all that stuff which I don't really feel like ;-) 17:50:50 <Ammler> @wiki TTDPatch 17:50:53 <Webster> TTDPatch - #openttdcoop Wiki - http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=TTDPatch 17:50:55 <Ammler> quite easy ^ ;-) 17:51:37 <planetmaker> I know that in principle, Ammler 17:51:48 <andythenorth> no argument, just better things to spend my time on 17:51:49 <planetmaker> But I cannot really be arsed to configure (dar)wine. 17:52:01 <planetmaker> like andy says 17:52:04 <Ammler> yeah, I said, you should have someone _using_ it there 17:52:22 <Ammler> like wallyweb or so 17:52:24 *** PeterT has quit IRC 17:52:36 <planetmaker> yeah, he was just offered to jump on this track ;-) 17:52:46 <Ammler> if they expect a stabel ttdp release, I wouldn't do it. 17:54:44 <planetmaker> andythenorth: so... could I write "if a person is found willing to do the TTDP part, we could grant him/her repo write access for this purpose"? 17:55:29 <andythenorth> yes, if we trust them, and reverts remain the perogative of me or FooBar 17:55:31 <andythenorth> :D 17:55:43 <Ammler> well, does he need to get write access? 17:55:50 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 359: Change: converted Plastic Plant to production template @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/359 (by andythenorth) 17:55:50 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 360: Change: converted Glass Works to production template @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/360 (by andythenorth) 17:55:51 <planetmaker> well, of course. It's your newgrf. 17:56:03 <planetmaker> But that doesn't stop me adding and changing few things here and there :-) 17:56:16 <planetmaker> That's how I'd imagine the involvement of that person, too. Like mine 17:56:52 *** PeterT has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:56:53 <planetmaker> Ammler: depends. Could of course work w/o. But it might be sensible. 17:57:12 <planetmaker> If it comes to testing things and adding source code patches with the proper defines. 17:57:20 <planetmaker> Anyway only that person could properly test it. 17:57:23 <Ammler> well, wallyweb won't code himself 17:57:31 <planetmaker> And I'd trust... wallyweb :-P 17:57:35 <Ammler> but he might be a good contributor 17:58:04 <Ammler> also the japanese sets might need ttdp support 17:58:11 <Ammler> at least making dos grf 17:59:11 <Ammler> this color code thing for the industries is another reason to switch to dos palette at all ;-) 18:00:06 <andythenorth> think my production code needs a code review :O Don't think there are bugs, but seems I might have some flaws in my own logic! 18:00:17 <planetmaker> I thought about the dos palette. It's easy... grfcodec -m 1 input.grf 18:00:48 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 361: Change: converted Paper Mill to production template @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/361 (by andythenorth) 18:03:03 <planetmaker> andythenorth: for debuging purposes one could bracket the DEBUG code by means of 18:03:09 <planetmaker> #ifdef DEGUG 18:03:14 <planetmaker> ... debug code ... 18:03:16 <planetmaker> #endif 18:03:25 <planetmaker> and then call make DEBUG:=1 18:03:35 <planetmaker> and you'll get a debug version, otherwise not 18:03:47 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 362: Change: converted Oil Refinery to production template @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/362 (by andythenorth) 18:03:47 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 363: Change: converted Fertiliser Plant to production te... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/363 (by andythenorth) 18:04:01 <andythenorth> DEBUG might be useful...I was thinking of just making it a parameter 18:04:27 <andythenorth> the problem with DEBUG is it could require duplicate varaction 2 chains 18:04:47 <andythenorth> the !DEBUG version could be buggy...but there would be no way to DEBUG it :P 18:04:50 <planetmaker> by that means the code wouldn't be in release grfs. By means of the make parameter, not 18:05:04 <planetmaker> why would it need duplication? 18:05:15 <planetmaker> Isn't it just adding #ifdef DEBUG in the templates? 18:05:28 <planetmaker> at the appropriate lines? 18:05:49 <planetmaker> I haven't really looked at it in detail, so it's an honest question :-) 18:06:21 <andythenorth> The debug code *has* to be in a varaction 2 chain, as it's just printing out values when the text callback runs 18:06:35 <andythenorth> if that chain has bits missing, it may just break 18:06:44 <andythenorth> however there is another way... 18:07:06 <andythenorth> change the ID that the cb branches to, using #ifdef DEBUG 18:07:58 <planetmaker> also possible 18:08:34 <Rubidium> making dos paletted NewGRFs isn't making it TTDP compatible at all 18:08:57 <Ammler> he, nobody said that 18:09:07 <Ammler> but making ttdp grfs means also making dos grfs 18:09:21 <Rubidium> why? 18:09:38 <Ammler> well, for the dos originals 18:09:38 <Rubidium> you don't need to support TTDP-dos 18:09:48 <Ammler> no? 18:09:48 <Rubidium> most will use TTDP-win anyway 18:10:29 * Rubidium still wonders why OpenGFX wasn't done in the dos palette; it has more colours and a better structured palette 18:11:10 <planetmaker> possibly using #ifdef DEBUG for the IDs of the callbacks sounds like a nice trick, andythenorth 18:11:17 <Ammler> well, the project started before you made the palette switch, I guess. 18:11:51 <planetmaker> yeah. Dunno even who has to be asked actually... 18:12:15 <Rubidium> palette switch? that has existed for ages 18:12:42 <Ammler> I was guessing... :-P 18:13:23 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 364: Change: converted Bakery to production template @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/364 (by andythenorth) 18:13:28 <Rubidium> although in really early versions it was 'only' to change the palette to dos (from windows) 18:13:29 <Ammler> most people made their own palette so they didn't care about the nicer dos palette 18:14:10 <Ammler> like the main drawer Zeph 18:14:58 <Ammler> well, if you ask why people used win palette, you could also ask, why they didn't make it 32bpp from start :-) 18:15:01 <Rubidium> guess it's because you lot wanted the first example graphics to work as newgrf 18:15:35 <planetmaker> might be. 18:15:44 <planetmaker> It actually might not even be too late... 18:15:56 <Ammler> andythenorth: why do you prefer 8bpp graphics? 18:15:59 <planetmaker> The pcx could be pal-converted. And then we could continue with the dos one 18:16:23 <andythenorth> Ammler: nostalgia 18:16:54 <Rubidium> probably because they didn't have more than 8 bits graphics in 199early 18:16:56 <planetmaker> should we make a ticket for OpenGFX concerning the palette... 18:16:59 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 365: Change: converted Brewery to production template @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/365 (by andythenorth) 18:17:09 <Ammler> Rubidium: I meant the opengfx guys 18:17:35 <Ammler> I guess, it was once also planned that way... 18:17:54 <Rubidium> making a ticket doesn't really change anything anyway 18:17:59 <andythenorth> Are there any 32bpp pixel graphics? 18:18:00 <Rubidium> doesn't need to change either 18:18:26 <planetmaker> Rubidium: a ticket doesn't change anything. But it's like an external memory to me 18:19:00 <planetmaker> andy: there's the 32bpp sub-forum even 18:19:06 <Ammler> well, if you change to dos, all grfs should, else it will be complicated with presets. 18:19:16 <planetmaker> but much of it found there is rendered stuff 18:19:30 <andythenorth> planetmaker: was about to say ... all the 32b seems to be rendered 18:19:31 <Brot6> is2: new trunk patch: http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/is2/trunk-patches/ 18:19:33 <Ammler> so I would say, best for all is to stay on the "ugly" windows palette ;-) 18:19:41 <andythenorth> I don't like the rendered stuff 18:20:20 <planetmaker> 32bpp might make some colour decisions easier :-) 18:20:33 <andythenorth> More colours = harder decisions. 18:20:39 <Ammler> :-) 18:20:41 <andythenorth> It's like IKEA: too much choice is paralysing 18:20:47 <andythenorth> a little choice is good. 18:21:11 <andythenorth> 256 colours gives about 16 choices for most hues 18:21:19 <andythenorth> That's enough for the human brain to work with 18:21:28 <planetmaker> haha :-) 18:21:32 <planetmaker> for a male brain. 18:21:38 <Ammler> well, you don't have that many 18:21:47 <planetmaker> Tell that some women that 16 choices of colour is fine ;-) 18:21:57 <Ammler> as there are also the action and company colors 18:22:26 <andythenorth> Right, I've converted most secondary industries to use my production template. 18:22:38 <andythenorth> There are a few consuming-only industries to think about 18:22:51 <andythenorth> I'm pretty certain my code is flawed though :\ 18:24:14 <planetmaker> how can I test that, andythenorth ? 18:24:33 <andythenorth> There are various problems 18:24:47 <andythenorth> back in 5 mins... 18:26:37 <planetmaker> ok, I'll be back in a few more minutes :-) But I'll read back 18:38:39 <andythenorth> planetmaker: try an industry that only has one or two inputs. The debug code seems to report consumption of a third cargo even where there isn't one 18:39:07 <andythenorth> also, there will also will often be 4 units of cargo left over unprocessed 18:39:24 <andythenorth> or 6 or 8 depending on the production ratios 18:47:22 <Hirundo> planetmaker: regarding http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/608, do you have any older savegames? 19:04:10 <Brot6> firs: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/firs/firs/ initiated. 19:04:20 <Brot6> is2: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/OpenTTD/infrastructure-sharing/ initiated. 19:06:29 <planetmaker> Hirundo: I'll have a look 19:07:30 <Hirundo> Did you play in that game? 19:07:47 <planetmaker> no, not really. It's from our devserver 19:08:07 <planetmaker> Chris_Booth did play that 19:09:58 <Hirundo> Would it be safe to assume that no changes to the advanced settings were made during the game? 19:10:19 <planetmaker> I didn't watch closely. So I wouldn't assume it. 19:10:46 <Hirundo> They can be changed through rcon? 19:10:50 <planetmaker> yes 19:11:01 <planetmaker> and most players there have voice and can do so 19:11:26 <Hirundo> hmm.... are IRC logs available? 19:12:13 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 19:12:39 <planetmaker> hm... maybe. 19:13:56 <planetmaker> Hirundo: all savegames are here: http://mz.openttdcoop.org/play-is/save/autosave/ 19:14:44 <planetmaker> most (all?) are from prior to the savegame I posted in the issue 19:14:58 <planetmaker> dunno anymore which it was... 19:17:10 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Bug #608: assertion in economy.cpp:703 in beta3 @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/608#change-1592 (by Hirundo) 19:17:42 <Hirundo> It seems that settings changes are saved in the gamelog, I'll have a look 19:17:57 <planetmaker> hm... all setting changes? 19:18:56 <planetmaker> the crash save was autosave89: http://mz.openttdcoop.org/play-is/save/autosave/autosave89.sav 19:19:19 <planetmaker> so any save prior to 23-Oct-2009 18:04 might be interesting 19:19:22 <Ammler> there is also a crash.sav and crash.log 19:19:36 <planetmaker> there is. But we want earlier saves ;-) 19:20:24 <planetmaker> Ammler: do we have logs of the dev channel? 19:20:41 <Ammler> KenjiE20: is absent 19:20:46 <Ammler> he would have 19:20:56 <Ammler> well, I might have local logs 19:22:17 <Hirundo> The internal gamelog doesn't show any changes in settings relevant to IS 19:22:44 <Hirundo> So I'm afraid IRC logs won't really help 19:23:16 <Hirundo> I'll look into the saves to see what I can find, but not tonight 19:24:29 <planetmaker> http://www.openttdcoop.org/files/pm/dev.log <-- The complete devzone log of my local IRC client since April 19:26:14 *** PeterT has left #openttdcoop.devzone 19:27:16 <Hirundo> 2.2 Mb of text... one could fill a book with that :P 19:28:32 <planetmaker> Oct 23 18:02:49 <Mark> !rcon reset_company 3 <-- the crash followed this rcon 19:31:45 <planetmaker> Oct 23 16:00:17 <Tycoon> openttd: src/openttd.cpp:118: void error(const char*, ...): Assertion `0' failed. <-- hmmm... just found that 19:31:54 <planetmaker> another savefile, though 19:36:49 * Hirundo sees the light 19:38:41 <planetmaker> :-) 19:42:14 <Hirundo> [Mechanical Voice] Existence of light confirmed 19:43:48 *** LordAzamath has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:56:47 <Hirundo> fix is pushed, I'm off, goodnight 19:59:05 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 13629: [IS] Fix: (fixed #608) Removing a company could, in some... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/13629 (by Hirundo) 19:59:05 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Bug #608 (Closed): assertion in economy.cpp:703 in beta3 @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/608#change-1593 (by Hirundo) 20:00:35 <planetmaker> good night, Hirundo 20:04:07 <Ammler> fix release ready? 20:04:19 <planetmaker> maybe. maybe not 20:04:23 <Ammler> :-) 20:41:42 <Chris_Booth> planetmaker: that wasnt the only crash 20:41:55 <Chris_Booth> but the company reset did crash it 2 or 3 times 20:43:23 <Ammler> Chris_Booth: it has some other fixes 20:44:00 <Chris_Booth> aah ok i was just inquiring 20:45:05 <Ammler> well, dunno, if those are "crash"-related 20:45:50 <Chris_Booth> also the GRF files i loaded for the train set went funny 20:45:53 <Chris_Booth> (NARS 2) 20:46:11 <Chris_Booth> had original wagons aswell as NARS2 wagons 20:54:57 <Ammler> without any other newgrf? 20:55:36 <Ammler> like new-industries-old-waggons.grf? 21:13:21 <Chris_Booth> Ammler: only train grf loaded was NARS 2 21:18:06 <Brot6> derailed, restarting apache 21:19:35 <planetmaker> Chris_Booth: and also not ever grfs added and removed? 21:20:04 <Ammler> planetmaker: that shouldn't matter 21:20:19 <planetmaker> oh, it can, if you have newgrf problems 21:20:48 <Ammler> apply grf does execut reset_vehildes or how that function is called 21:21:10 <Ammler> some typos ;-) 21:21:35 <planetmaker> and can cause funny results, if you got vehicles from the other set 21:48:07 <Chris_Booth> planetmaker: no i made the map with those GRFs loaded 21:48:16 <Chris_Booth> and then put it on the server 21:54:30 *** PeterT has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 22:26:55 *** PeterT has quit IRC 22:27:23 *** PeterT has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 22:41:52 *** PeterT has quit IRC 22:47:30 *** yorick has quit IRC 22:48:29 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 23:04:07 <Brot6> is2: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/OpenTTD/infrastructure-sharing/ initiated. 23:25:12 *** andythenorth has quit IRC