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Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 5th November 2009:
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02:12:14  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2838: Fixed: Feed content limit ignored on issues list. @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/2838 (by jplang)
02:12:14  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2839: Fixed: child_pages macro fails on wiki page history (#4152). @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/2839 (by jplang)
02:12:14  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2840: Use FasterCSV or ruby1.9 CSV instead of ruby1.8 builtin CSV. @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/2840 (by jplang)
02:12:16  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2841: Fixes test environments. @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/2841 (by jplang)
02:12:19  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2842: Fixed: first day of date range is not included in time report with SQLit... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/2842 (by jplang)
02:12:25  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2849: update tags @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/2849 (by convert-repo)
02:33:59  <Brot6> Backup done! (Usage: 104M)
02:33:59  <Brot6> Somewhere in suburban Honolulu, an unemployed bellhop is whipping up a batch of illegal psilocybin chop suey!!
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15:56:25  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 13754: (svn r17971) -Codechange: make the code of the toolbar m... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/13754 (by Rubidium)
15:56:25  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 13755: (svn r17972) -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/13755 (by translators)
15:56:25  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 13756: (svn r17973) -Fix: 'save' toolbar button didn't change w... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/13756 (by Rubidium)
15:56:27  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 13757: Merge: trunk up to r17973 @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/13757 (by Hirundo)
15:56:30  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 13758: [IS] Codechange: Use true/false instead of 1/0 in SetFil... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/13758 (by Hirundo)
16:02:25  <Rubidium> ghehe... that sounds familiar
16:11:18  <planetmaker> :-)
16:16:00  * Hirundo checks out the list of known bugs/issues
16:17:23  <Hirundo> Is http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/339 still valid?
16:19:11  <Rubidium> (: ^ planetmaker ^ :)
16:19:27  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 363: Remove: maglev.pnfo from 2cctrainset.pnfo, its from v1 @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/363 (by DJNekkid)
16:29:01  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 364: Change: Engines had wrong running costfactors (and possibly P-cost ... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/364 (by DJNekkid)
16:29:01  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 365: Fix: forgot to 'TR' the action0 file @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/365 (by DJNekkid)
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16:34:03  <planetmaker> I'll check
16:34:15  <planetmaker> my guess is 'no'
16:39:52  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Bug #339 (Rejected): unknown revision... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/339#change-1597 (by planetmaker)
16:40:09  <Hirundo> OK, so I guess closing it reduces the bug count by 50% :)
16:40:19  <Chris_Booth> how is IS2 beta 4 coming along?
16:40:21  <planetmaker> ;-)
16:40:32  <planetmaker> Chris_Booth: beta4 is already released ;-)
16:40:47  <planetmaker> well. Not released really, but existant. Albeit unplayable.
16:41:07  <Hirundo> Assuming that the current version is bug-free, it's ready to be released
16:41:16  <planetmaker> :-)
16:41:35  <planetmaker> My compiler is at 'r' currently
16:41:59  <Hirundo> How do I 'compile' doxygen on windows?
16:42:08  <Chris_Booth> ok so when are you going to be compiled by the compile farm planetmaker ?
16:42:18  <planetmaker> hopefully never
16:42:29  <Chris_Booth> IS 2 Beta 5?
16:43:50  <Chris_Booth> ok planetmaker when will i be able to play IS on openttdcoop again?
16:44:37  <Hirundo> As usual: when it's done
16:44:43  <planetmaker> I guess whenever there'll be a compiled, bug-free version around. No idea yet, hopefully soon.
16:45:06  <DJNekkid> Soon(tm)
16:45:47  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 366: Fix: Running cost multipliers were not set to the levels requiered ... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/366 (by DJNekkid)
16:46:27  <planetmaker> it compiled fine here
16:46:57  <planetmaker> he... did the size of the server-window change?
16:47:05  <planetmaker> in trunk?
16:47:06  <Hirundo> Soon, after using the word Soon 3 times you'll be kicked off the internet, because someone patented the word in [insert banana republic here]
16:48:12  <Hirundo> (svn r17905) -Codechange: make the network server list window nested (and increase the default size slightly)
16:48:35  <planetmaker> gah... each time I start a MP server,  I get a small shock, thinking that the query "do you want to allow OpenTTD to accept incoming traffic" is an assertion message...
16:49:12  <DJNekkid> get rid of Vista :p
16:49:58  <planetmaker> I never owned it nor do nor will I :-)
16:53:21  <planetmaker> hm... it's not bug-free
16:54:51  <planetmaker> assertion when calling the sharing settings
16:55:19  <planetmaker> Assertion failed at line 2132 of /Users/ingo/ottd/is2/src/company_gui.cpp: this->GetWidget<NWidgetBase>(SSW_WIDGET_PANEL)->current_y == (this->vscroll.GetCapacity() * this->line_height + 2)
16:55:20  <Ammler> soon soon soon
16:55:47  <planetmaker> that would be soon too soon
17:03:53  <DJNekkid> hmm
17:04:38  <DJNekkid> i think i might have an idea...
17:04:46  <planetmaker> Unfortunately the many meanings of "hmm" don't carry well in the written form as it usually carries by voice ;-)
17:05:15  <DJNekkid> wagons ...
17:05:28  <DJNekkid> different running costs bases on how fast the engine is running...
17:05:58  <planetmaker> hm... interesting idea.
17:06:04  <planetmaker> But it should only be a few levels
17:06:28  <planetmaker> e.g. < 100km/h, <165 km/h  < 210 km/h >= 210 km/h or so
17:06:37  <DJNekkid> i were thining something along a base-price, with added cost every 10kmh or something
17:06:57  <planetmaker> sounds complicated ... but maybe it isn't.
17:07:01  <DJNekkid> its not
17:07:13  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 13759: [IS] Doc: (closes #607) Document all stuff that wasn't a... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/13759 (by Hirundo)
17:07:13  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Bug #607 (Closed): missing doxygen entries @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/607#change-1598 (by Hirundo)
17:07:53  <DJNekkid> well, same price up to perhaps 100kmh
17:08:00  <DJNekkid> then higher after that
17:08:05  <planetmaker> depending upon year ;-)
17:08:16  <DJNekkid> good point
17:08:26  <DJNekkid> 100 after 1980
17:09:09  <DJNekkid> well, based on when the wagons come out :)
17:09:28  <planetmaker> well... I would make it maybe a bit universal
17:10:12  <DJNekkid> base speed = 50 + ((years-1920)/2)
17:10:16  <planetmaker> something which we should think about: what incentive should / could there be to upgrade wagons, if the speed limit is off?
17:10:46  <planetmaker> wow, that's cool. Assuming I start 1860 :-D
17:10:54  <planetmaker> I get money for running wagons :-P
17:11:09  <planetmaker> ... or not :-P
17:11:21  <DJNekkid> hehe
17:11:30  <planetmaker> but in 1820 :-P
17:11:51  <DJNekkid> well, capped at 50...
17:12:02  <planetmaker> why?
17:12:22  <planetmaker> the first engines and wagons are anyway only slow and small
17:12:38  <DJNekkid> hmm
17:12:56  <DJNekkid> *think*
17:15:50  <DJNekkid> base speed = 10 + (current year - 1820)/2
17:15:56  <DJNekkid> means 100 in y2k
17:17:21  <planetmaker> @calc 10 + (2000 - 1820)/2
17:17:22  <Webster> planetmaker: 100
17:17:28  <planetmaker> seems like ;-)
17:18:00  <DJNekkid> could do 1,5
17:18:02  <Brot6> 2cctrainset: update from r358 to r366, starting nightly compile
17:18:10  <DJNekkid> @calc 10 + (2000 - 1820)/1,5
17:18:15  <DJNekkid> @calc 10 + (2000 - 1820)/1.5
17:18:15  <Webster> DJNekkid: 130
17:18:16  <planetmaker> you mean an increase by 1.5?
17:18:24  <DJNekkid> @calc 10 + (1950 - 1820)/1.5
17:18:24  <Webster> DJNekkid: 96.6666666667
17:18:38  <DJNekkid> @calc 10 + ((1920 - 1820)/1.5)
17:18:39  <Webster> DJNekkid: 76.6666666667
17:18:42  <Brot6> 2cctrainset: compile done (1 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/2cctrainset/nightlies/
17:18:42  <Brot6> bros: nightly compile not needed. (r10)
17:18:43  <Brot6> firs: nightly compile not needed. (r365)
17:18:43  <Brot6> fish: nightly compile not needed. (r159)
17:18:43  <Brot6> heqs: nightly compile not needed. (r169)
17:18:44  <Brot6> nmts: nightly compile not needed. (r15)
17:18:45  <Brot6> opengfx: nightly compile not needed. (r214)
17:18:47  <Brot6> opensfx: nightly compile not needed. (r43)
17:18:49  <Brot6> worldairlineset: nightly compile not needed. (r584)
17:18:58  <planetmaker> @calc 1.02**100
17:18:59  <Webster> planetmaker: 7.24464611825
17:19:33  <planetmaker> given an inflation of 2%, you have 7.2-times the money in 100 years... but that part is taken account of in OpenTTD...
17:19:48  <planetmaker> but not the industry output and population increase
17:20:23  <planetmaker> a factor of two in 100 years is not much
17:20:31  <planetmaker> what about skipping the divisor at all?
17:20:55  <planetmaker> or just like year - 1820 ;-)
17:20:58  <DJNekkid> well, sort of it is
17:20:58  <DJNekkid> atleast population
17:20:59  <DJNekkid> newer buildings in townsets usually have larger population
17:21:11  <planetmaker> also towns grow
17:21:26  <DJNekkid> but that gives a base speedfactorcost of 220 in 2000
17:21:27  <planetmaker> industry output can easily grow by a factor of 10 or so
17:21:45  <planetmaker> :-D 180, but it's much
17:21:53  <DJNekkid> 180, sorry
17:22:03  <DJNekkid> the fastest engine is 230...
17:22:09  <DJNekkid> not too much differnece
17:22:32  <planetmaker> (year - 1820)/2
17:22:52  <planetmaker> hm... but capped at something like 150 or so
17:23:08  <planetmaker> and... it shouldn't use the year, but the starting year of the game
17:23:16  <planetmaker> or it'd be a pain, if you start in 2000
17:23:30  <DJNekkid> i think we might be talking abit beyond eachother now...
17:23:50  <planetmaker> dunno. Do we?
17:23:54  <DJNekkid> it seems so
17:23:56  <DJNekkid> hehe
17:24:14  <DJNekkid> im not talking about max speed of the wagon
17:24:17  <DJNekkid> but the running cost of it
17:24:27  <planetmaker> yes, I know. Me, too
17:24:37  <DJNekkid> and where the "bottom" line is
17:24:43  <planetmaker> And the upper line
17:25:03  <planetmaker> There must be both
17:25:17  <DJNekkid> never thought of a upper line...
17:25:30  <DJNekkid> it should be either one or the other imho
17:25:56  <planetmaker> no upper line makes it un-playable after a certain date
17:26:22  <planetmaker> especially, if you don't start early, but rather late (e.g. in 2000) your game
17:26:27  <DJNekkid> the latest wagons are introduced in 2040...
17:26:33  <planetmaker> so what?
17:26:55  <DJNekkid> wagons introduced in 2040 would then have a rather high bottom line
17:27:02  <planetmaker> oh... you mean the running costs of one wagon doesn't change? But only the running costs of the wagon types differ?
17:27:25  <DJNekkid> it dont change over time
17:27:27  <planetmaker> but then: why should I buy an expensive one, if there's a cheap one?
17:27:48  <DJNekkid> wagons are so cheap anyway :P
17:28:29  <DJNekkid> and, a more recent wagon would have a higher bottom line
17:28:40  <planetmaker> why?
17:28:52  <planetmaker> doesn't sound logical :-)
17:29:06  <planetmaker> Rather an older wagon should have a higher running cost than newer ones
17:29:20  <planetmaker> at a specific time
17:29:26  <DJNekkid> but it will...
17:29:32  <planetmaker> will it?
17:29:37  <DJNekkid> yes... hear me out
17:29:52  <DJNekkid> lets say a given wagon have a bottom line at 80kmh
17:29:55  <DJNekkid> a new one have 130
17:30:10  <DJNekkid> if the engine travels at 200, the old one would be way more costly
17:30:18  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 13760: [IS] Doc: More documentation added and existing document... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/13760 (by Hirundo)
17:30:26  <planetmaker> and how does that relate to, if there's no wagon speed limit?
17:30:35  <DJNekkid> as the runningcost would be ^' in something
17:30:49  <DJNekkid> example:
17:31:06  <DJNekkid> give me 2 mins to calc it
17:31:24  <planetmaker> DJNekkid: assume in your example that both wagons go 200km/h
17:31:38  <planetmaker> not by design but ingame due to settings
17:32:53  <DJNekkid> if the base cost is 100$
17:33:08  <DJNekkid> the wagon is traveling at 150kmh
17:33:35  <DJNekkid> one have a bottom line (100$ cost) at 80
17:33:41  <DJNekkid> the other one at 130
17:34:08  <DJNekkid> 150-80 = 70, 70^1,2 + 100 = 264
17:34:19  <DJNekkid> 150-130 = 20, 20^1,2 + 100 = 136
17:34:22  <planetmaker> ok, on wagon is designed for 80km/h, the other for 130km/h, both travel 150km/h
17:34:52  <planetmaker> and the running costs are as you just typed? That's different forumulas ;-)
17:35:02  <planetmaker> than before
17:35:38  <planetmaker> do TGV etc have wagons for 350km/h?
17:35:52  <DJNekkid> no, they use the MU-wagon
17:36:00  <DJNekkid> btw, im talking about none-mu wagons now :)
17:36:06  <planetmaker> ok, ... and that doesn't have these rules? Ok
17:36:21  <DJNekkid> they have a similar rule
17:36:47  <planetmaker> @calc 70**1.2
17:36:47  <Webster> planetmaker: 163.72599862
17:36:50  <DJNekkid> running cost = max speed^1,5 + ... lots
17:37:17  <planetmaker> ok
17:37:43  <DJNekkid> including ligher trainsets have a lower cost
17:37:59  <planetmaker> good
17:38:07  <DJNekkid> and higher capacity have higher costs
17:38:18  <planetmaker> hm, ok
17:38:28  <DJNekkid> but its still based on the tonnage...
17:38:50  <DJNekkid> a light train with high capacity will basicly have the same cost as a medium weighing medium capacity
17:38:54  <DJNekkid> and vica versa
17:39:23  <DJNekkid> notice the "ton/pax" column in the xls
17:40:16  <planetmaker> maybe I should look at that table more often... ;-)
17:40:21  <planetmaker> I usually don't.
17:40:36  <planetmaker> Too lazy to open yet another programme :-P
17:40:44  <DJNekkid> i know the feeling
17:41:17  <DJNekkid> why i try to say to my boss he should stop sending us stuff in .docs or .xls if it can be pure text in an email
17:42:14  <DJNekkid> brb, a couple of minutes
17:47:45  <DJNekkid> back
17:49:08  <DJNekkid> did you find anything of interest?
17:53:56  <Rubidium> off
17:54:06  <Rubidium> uhmm... the wrong window :(
17:54:19  <Rubidium> anyhow... good luck tonight with whatever you're doing :)
17:54:27  <DJNekkid> hehe, ty1 :P
17:54:34  <Ammler> have fun Rubidium :-)
17:54:48  <Ammler> (as developing openttd isn't :-P
17:55:10  <DJNekkid> Ammler:
17:55:15  <DJNekkid> SBB ... is that swizz?
17:55:25  <Ammler> Schweizerische Bundes Bahnen
17:55:34  <Ammler> or without "en"
18:03:48  <DJNekkid> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/SBB_RAe_TEE_II
18:03:49  <Webster> Title: SBB RAe TEE II – Wikipedia (at de.wikipedia.org)
18:03:51  <DJNekkid> what is the intro year?
18:04:51  <Ammler> DJNekkid: "Baujahr"
18:19:59  <Brot6> is2: new trunk patch: http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/is2/trunk-patches/
18:21:19  <Ammler> with real svn patch now ^ :-)
18:27:09  <DJNekkid> my god what a good pizza...
18:27:13  <DJNekkid> homemade...
18:27:32  <Ammler> mäh :-P
18:27:45  <DJNekkid> outer fillet of ox, chorizo-chops and mozarella slizes...
18:28:07  <DJNekkid> with a homemade pizzasaus underneeth ...
18:52:48  * Hirundo likes the svn patch
18:58:15  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 367: Add: RAe TEE II @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/367 (by DJNekkid)
18:58:35  <DJNekkid> ^^
19:00:53  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 368: Fix: adding the .pnfo missing in r367 @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/368 (by DJNekkid)
19:03:48  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 13761: [IS] Fix: Properly set the sharing window capacity in al... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/13761 (by Hirundo)
19:04:01  <Brot6> 2cctrainset: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/OpenTTD/2cctrainset/ initiated.
19:04:18  <Brot6> is2: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/OpenTTD/infrastructure-sharing/ initiated.
19:04:54  <Ammler> Hirundo: shall I remove the other version and just generate the svn patch?
19:06:15  <Hirundo> I'd keep them both, since they both have their uses
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19:34:32  <Hirundo> Rudimentary testing of IS did not reveal any bugs
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19:46:05  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Support #631 (Feedback): Code reduction/restructuring @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/631#change-1599 (by Hirundo)
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21:02:50  <Hirundo> planetmaker: "But I'm not sure that we should simplify the "fees" as well. Concerning those, I like the differentiation between station usage and track usage." <- You like the situation as-is, or would you prefer a separate station and track fee for trains?
21:03:56  <planetmaker> Hm... I need to check how it actually is. Station fees and track fees sound reasonable to me.
21:05:18  <planetmaker> hm... we don't have it separate (anymore) ;-)
21:05:22  <planetmaker> Then we leave it at that
21:10:09  <Hirundo> hmmm.... I think we could release a new version beta4a soon(tm) to keep folks happy
21:10:30  <planetmaker> or we just call it beta5
21:10:42  <planetmaker> easier to remember ;-)
21:11:19  <Ammler> we should remove the beta4 then
21:11:24  <Hirundo> Also fine with me, doesn't really matter that much
21:11:49  <Hirundo> It's just a number, as long as it's not 13 it's fine ;)
21:12:03  <planetmaker> 13 is a lucky number!
21:12:07  <Hirundo> [OT] There is no formula one car with number 13
21:12:44  <planetmaker> :-) They would win with that number every race, that's why, I guess ;-)
21:14:52  <Hirundo> anyways..
21:15:23  <Hirundo> Who has the mighty power to run the compile farm? TB only?
21:20:48  <DJNekkid> there are no streetnumbers in paris thats number 13 either
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21:48:21  <planetmaker> Hirundo: both TB and RB
21:48:38  <planetmaker> but we'll need one other dev to say 'ok'
21:49:16  <Hirundo> What is required for such an 'ok'?
21:49:28  <Ammler> SmatZ: :-)
21:49:49  <Ammler> he failed the last time ;-)
21:49:55  <planetmaker> :-P
21:50:01  <planetmaker> sorry
21:50:18  <SmatZ> :-(
21:50:30  <SmatZ> I didn't fail
21:50:36  <SmatZ> I told you it's broken :-p
21:50:42  * planetmaker hugs SmatZ
21:50:47  <SmatZ> then pm fixed it and asked tb on his own ;)
21:50:49  <SmatZ> thank you :)
21:51:17  <planetmaker> hehe :-) So, do you offer a dev-proof review?
21:52:46  <SmatZ> actually I knew the trunk was broken in that revision, so I didn't have to do any review :)
21:55:47  <planetmaker> well, yes, but not the one I updated ;-)
21:55:55  <SmatZ> nope :(
21:56:15  <SmatZ> I didn't notice you upgraded it
21:56:26  <SmatZ> maybe even someone told me, but I ignored him
21:56:30  <SmatZ> (not intentionally)
21:56:32  <planetmaker> well... I didn't really announce that
21:56:33  <Ammler> hehe
21:56:54  <planetmaker> I took your words as "update to current trunk and it's fine with me" ;-)
21:57:03  <SmatZ> hehe :-)
21:57:10  <SmatZ> and it wasn't broken, was it? ;)
21:57:17  <planetmaker> :-P Trunk: no
21:57:22  <SmatZ> sorry, I am quite busy lately
21:57:23  <SmatZ> oh :(
21:57:59  <planetmaker> well, who isn't busy? ;-)
21:59:13  <SmatZ> :-(
21:59:24  <Rubidium> Zuu!
21:59:32  <SmatZ> I will have a look at it tommorow if you remind me, is that ok? :)
22:28:58  <planetmaker> of course :-)
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