Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 10th December 2009:
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00:09:19  * Rubidium wonders how 'bad' it would be if I were to commit Zephyris' face sprites
00:09:51  <Rubidium>
00:10:11  <planetmaker> I'm barely awake... and hello :-)
00:14:31  <planetmaker> I guess I shouldn't mind. Actually I probably would mind, though ;-)
00:15:23  <Rubidium> <- there are the pcxes, including the 4 converted from png ones
00:15:50  <Rubidium> together with the diff above and hg adding them and hg removing trgir.pcx you should be able to commit it
00:26:07  <planetmaker> well... if you have that *everything* prepared already, there's no need for me to make that commit...
00:26:13  <planetmaker> looks fine
00:27:09  <planetmaker> Despite that I feel for irrational reasons annoyed :-(
00:29:16  <Rubidium> Feature: Add the female African faces (graphics by Zephyris and Ben_Robins_, closes #94)
00:29:24  <Rubidium> is that going to work?
00:31:39  <planetmaker> pro'ly
00:33:35  <planetmaker> I don't like force feeding the same as you.
00:33:59  <Rubidium> Warning: file_get_contents( failed to open stream: Connection refused in /home/ottdc/public_html/opengfx/authors/script.php on line 27
00:34:11  <planetmaker> uh?
00:34:20  <Rubidium> on
00:36:03  <planetmaker> hm.. is acting up
00:36:05  <Rubidium> anyhow... tomorrow OGFX 0.2.0 time too?
00:36:13  <planetmaker> yup
00:36:19  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Revision 268: Feature: Add the female African faces (graphics by Zephyris and Ben_Robin... @ (by Rubidium)
00:36:19  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Feature #94 (Closed): Sprites 912:989 (78) - African manager faces @ (by Rubidium)
00:38:08  <planetmaker> though it would need IMO at least another maglev commit
00:39:04  <planetmaker> the last one is missing some sprites... in the extra part, still using the old ones there, making it inconsistent.
00:40:49  <Rubidium> oh, reminds me: I think the 5th letter of the grf/nfo/pnfo filenames should be removed; it's totally useless and only links ogfx more closely to the original files than needed
00:42:00  <Ammler> I was working on salieri
00:42:02  <Ammler> sorry about
00:42:36  <Ammler> but now, image manipulating works again...
00:43:04  <Ammler> Rubidium: the letter is meant for ttdpatch users so they know how to replace the files.
00:44:40  <planetmaker> I think we had that discussion back then. FooBar and Ammler were strongly for that letter and I couldn't convince them :-P
00:45:28  * Rubidium wonders how many ttdp users are going to use it anyway
00:45:36  <Rubidium> with the massive lack of GUI sprites
00:45:52  <Ammler> well, back then we didn't talk about patch anyway.
00:46:18  <Ammler> Rubidium: there is no lack of the gui as you still use ttdpatchbase.grf
00:46:30  <Ammler> or how that is called.
00:46:33  <Rubidium> Ammler: and thus have something quite inconsistent
00:46:53  <Ammler> anyway, that wasn't the reason we kept it.
00:46:55  <Rubidium> wrong water for shiplocks etc.
00:47:33  <Rubidium> so what was the reason then?
00:47:41  <Ammler> at the start of ogfx, we had only those
00:47:52  <Ammler> planetmaker added the keywords
00:48:17  <Rubidium> so it's a hysterical raisin
00:48:30  <planetmaker> ah, right. The names are compromises... history and future combined
00:49:05  <Ammler> as said, the discussion about patch is quite young as I made that thread.
00:52:58  <Ammler> well, I don't care and foobar isn't around
00:53:10  <Ammler> so the decision is up2you guys :-P
00:53:35  <planetmaker> :-P
00:54:28  <planetmaker> hey guys, we have a FULLY WORKING OPENGFX! That's a good party reason! :-)
00:57:34  <Ammler> christmas party!
00:59:00  <Ammler> planetmaker: prepare 0.2?
00:59:09  <planetmaker> after sleeping
00:59:13  <Ammler> :-D
01:00:49  <planetmaker> and I'd like a 2nd look at some maglev wagons. That's in a kind of transient state as it's now
01:02:13  <planetmaker> or we call it 0.2.0 and deliver a 0.2.1 very soon. But... Not sure :-) Opinions?
01:03:06  <Ammler> well, I am not a big friend of that "fix" anyway ;-)
01:03:30  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Bug #77: town building misalignment @ (by Ammler)
01:03:37  <Ammler> I hoped, you don't commit it before 0.2 release
01:03:49  <Ammler> I added it to version 0.3 ;-)
01:06:05  <planetmaker> Too late for most maglev and some train wagons :-)
01:06:28  <planetmaker> anyway... past bedtime :-)
01:07:07  <Ammler> yeah, I know :-(
01:07:23  <Ammler> well, I really hope, it isn't that bad I imagine...
01:07:46  <Ammler> as I didn't saw a screen from the new waggons
01:08:03  <Ammler> and still don't have openttd installed :-)
01:08:35  <Ammler> good night planetmaker
01:09:11  <Ammler> hmm, the make tiny might need discussion, currently the fedora guy still does install manually.
01:11:12  <Ammler> if it would be a simple make and make install --INSTALLDIR="", it might help to push those guys in an other direction...
01:14:30  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Bug #579: use default behaviour for make targets @ (by Ammler)
01:18:53  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Bug #579: use default behaviour for make targets @ (by Ammler)
01:18:53  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Bug #579: use default behaviour for make targets @ (by planetmaker)
01:26:32  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Bug #579: use default behaviour for make targets @ (by Ammler)
01:51:57  <Ammler> Rubidium: shall I add the spec file from opensfx to the repo as well?
01:57:09  <Ammler> does catcodec have a "upstream url"?
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02:13:19  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2990: Fixes that issue copy/move throws an error when status is not changed (#... @ (by jplang)
02:22:21  <Ammler> make %{?_smp_mflags} REVISION="%{version}" <-- doesn't work anymore
02:33:50  <Brot6> Backup done! (Usage: 107M)
03:04:02  <Brot6> 2cctrainset: Backup push to ssh:// initiated.
03:04:25  <Brot6> opengfx: Backup push to ssh:// initiated.
03:06:11  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenSFX - Bug #672 (New): rpm spec files @ (by Ammler)
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08:27:55  <Rubidium> Ammler: use I'd say
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10:26:03  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Bug #579: use default behaviour for make targets @ (by planetmaker)
10:36:11  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Bug #579: use default behaviour for make targets @ (by planetmaker)
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11:42:46  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenSFX - Feature #672 (New): rpm spec files @ (by Ammler)
11:42:46  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenSFX - Feature #672: rpm spec files @ (by Ammler)
11:47:58  <Ammler> planetmaker: maybe still keep the target release-install and alias it to install
11:48:15  <planetmaker> ok, good idea.
11:51:54  <planetmaker> Ammler, wrt #672: "...the last tool to definite independence of OpenTTD"
11:52:24  <Ammler> oh well :-)
11:52:57  <Ammler> please suggest discriptions, don't use the catcodec
11:53:32  <Ammler> (you see, it is catcodec, not opensfx?)
11:53:41  <planetmaker> yes
11:54:18  <planetmaker> but then... why is it in opensfx and not as a patch for catcodec?
11:54:53  <Ammler> easier to manage for me :-)
11:55:04  <planetmaker> is difficult?
11:55:34  <planetmaker> %description It does en- and decode sound replacement files and is the last tool to definitive independence of OpenTTD
11:55:55  <Ammler> ?
11:56:09  <Ammler> ah the missing v?
11:56:35  <Ammler> dunno, if that is a good description anyway
11:56:41  <Ammler> not very helpful, imo.
11:57:16  <planetmaker> Well... as it's not it is - independent of its usefulness incorrect English
11:57:32  <planetmaker> arg. Well... as it's now it is - independent of its usefulness - incorrect English
11:57:46  <Ammler> the last tool... doesn't really describe _what_ it does.
11:58:31  <planetmaker> Yes. Just skip the entire sentence
11:58:43  <Ammler>
11:59:02  <Ammler> I configured a "generic" obs account
11:59:25  <Ammler>
11:59:35  <planetmaker>  opensfx-0.2.0-1.1.noarch.rpm       <-- why this funny versioning?
12:00:05  <Ammler>
12:00:17  <Ammler> 0.2.0 is obvious
12:00:21  <planetmaker> yes
12:00:27  <Ammler> 1 means first revision of the spec
12:00:38  <Ammler> the second 1 is first build run
12:00:59  <Ammler> (made from the building farm)
12:01:31  <Ammler> imagine  a required package will be rebuild like in that example gcc-c++
12:01:48  <Ammler> that would trigger a new run and change it to -1.2
12:02:13  <Ammler> or I change something in the spec, that would trigger a new build and change to -2.1
12:02:25  <planetmaker> and what would -1.2 be?
12:02:41  <Ammler> unchanged spec/source but new build run
12:03:47  <Ammler> it's the Tag Release: in the spec
12:04:10  <Ammler> but as said, that would be overwritten by the build server
12:04:43  <Ammler> noarch should be obvious too
12:05:24  <planetmaker> yes
12:05:55  <Ammler> well, I also thought about committing the spec for grfcodec and nforenum to opengfx
12:06:48  <planetmaker> they do belong to their own repositories IMO
12:07:15  <Ammler> I once suggested a patch to grfcodec or renum, which got ignored, so not sure if it helps to post it there...
12:07:29  <Ammler> on the other side, those specs are in the obs repo
12:07:34  <planetmaker> concerning this build specs?
12:07:43  <Ammler> yes
12:08:13  <planetmaker> hm :S
12:08:20  <Ammler> does it hurt, if I push it here?
12:08:35  <planetmaker> what? nforenum?
12:08:44  <Ammler> if someone of the devs there thinks, it is usefull, he can take it and we remove it.
12:08:59  <Ammler> catcodec/nforenum/grfcodec
12:09:24  <Ammler> if not, we have at least a template somewhere.
12:09:56  <planetmaker> I don't mind. I'm not sure it makes sense, though
12:10:23  <Ammler> well, I would just "save" those somewhere else then on the obs.
12:10:28  <Ammler> as that needs a account.
12:13:32  <Ammler> btw. how do we party 0.2.0?
12:14:01  <planetmaker> :-) Good question.
12:14:33  <planetmaker> We need a blog post about both, OpenG/SFX
12:14:54  <planetmaker> Title: Finally Free!
12:15:16  <Rubidium> "Tool to en/decode OpenTTD's sound files"
12:15:45  <Rubidium> "Replacement sound set for OpenTTD"
12:16:01  <Rubidium> catcodec/opensfx is impplicit there, so no need to mention it
12:16:06  <planetmaker> Any other remarks concerning the makefile diff? Otherwise I'll commit it.
12:16:43  <Ammler> I would test it in the next hour
12:16:50  <planetmaker> k
12:16:55  <Ammler> but you can commit
12:17:07  <planetmaker> nah, I wait for the test then. No rush
12:17:09  <Ammler> would make it easier to test ;-)
12:17:13  <Ammler> ok :-)
12:17:27  <planetmaker> not really. You can hg up -r<X> with the diff applied
12:17:37  <planetmaker> and whether you have an M or not, doesn't matter
12:18:09  <planetmaker> (for testing purposes)
12:18:27  <planetmaker> otherwise use a test repo where you can commit locally
12:18:30  <planetmaker> that's what I did
12:20:53  <Ammler> hmm, I should also rename the package names and prefix with openttd-
12:21:56  <Ammler> openttd-devel-catcodec, openttd-devel-grfcodec, openttd-devel-nforenum, openttd-data-opengfx, openttd-data-opensfx, openttd
12:23:50  <Rubidium> openttd-data-original-stubs
12:24:31  <planetmaker> what's the latter?
12:24:49  <Rubidium> bin/data/orig*.ob[gs] bin/data/openttd[dw].grf
12:25:00  <planetmaker> isn't that part of the usual OpenTTD build?
12:25:27  <Rubidium> yes-ish, but it's the part that would cause OpenTTD to stay in contrib/non-free in Debian :)
12:27:41  <Ammler> Rubidium: what about a openttd-min and openttd-client?
12:28:55  <Ammler> I still don't know, how I should make the dedicated build
12:29:09  <Rubidium> well, technically openttd would be split into 3 packages; 1 binary package, 1 package with all the langfiles, opntitle.dat, scripts etc and 1 with *.obs, *.obs and openttd[wd].grf
12:29:17  <Ammler> maybe just openttd-dedicated
12:29:23  <Rubidium> then you can make a second binary package that is only a dedicated binary
12:31:29  <Rubidium> but those splits are generally only useful in repositories; for manual downloading/installing one package is much easier
12:31:41  <Ammler> indeed
12:31:50  <Ammler> well, that are installers for :-)
12:32:42  <Ammler> well, the issue I have is the SDL requirement for it
12:33:34  <Ammler> and because openttd is a requirement for the data files
12:34:34  <Ammler> so currently a second package openttd-dedicated wouldn't work
12:35:37  <Rubidium> depend on openttd or openttd-dedicated ?
12:35:49  <Rubidium> or can't RPM handle that?
12:36:10  <Ammler> opengfx depend on openttd
12:36:49  <Ammler> se*
12:37:36  <Rubidium> or openttd-dedicated provides openttd
12:37:45  <Rubidium> openttd-gui provides openttd
12:38:49  <Ammler> well, it needs to be easy for people to install
12:39:38  <Rubidium> then openttd-dedicated provides openttd-binary, openttd provides openttd-binary, opengfx depends on openttd-binary
12:39:53  <Rubidium> although... it would work as well as depending on openttd-data
12:40:10  <Rubidium> because both openttd-dedicated and openttd would depend on openttd-data
12:40:23  <Ammler> indeed, that might be the solution
12:41:17  <Ammler> would you implement something like that in the Makefile?
12:41:27  <Ammler> or is that part for the packager?
12:41:38  <Rubidium> that's for the packager
12:41:49  <Ammler> you could also "solve" the debian issue that way.
12:42:23  <Rubidium> yeah, I know... I already solved the debian issue a year ago, but the debian maintainer didn't have time to review it yet :(
12:42:29  <Ammler> theoretically it's also a suse issue, they are also very restrictive with such stuff
12:42:39  <Ammler> i.e. no libdvdcss
12:42:56  <Rubidium> is openttd in suse?
12:43:02  <Ammler> yes
12:43:10  <Rubidium> bad boys :)
12:43:19  <Ammler> well, of course without the original files
12:43:26  <Ammler> but with openttdw.grf
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12:44:11  <Ammler> btw. since I know, since version 1.0 almost.
12:44:15  <Ammler> 0.1 I meant
12:46:25  <Ammler> I try to make a multipackage spec
12:46:39  <Ammler> openttd-data, openttd-dedicated and openttd
12:48:00  <Ammler> I should also test the desktop file script from your Makefile, as skidd asked me for.
12:52:25  <Rubidium> opensfx doesn't buildrequire OpenTTD
12:53:50  <Ammler> hmm
12:54:20  <Ammler> that is a "workaround" for file permission warnings
12:55:19  <Ammler> and doesn't hurt, as it is required anyway.
12:56:37  <Rubidium> then mention (in a comment) that it has to be included for file permission reasons. To prevent that someone later comes along and thinks... heh, that's not needed and removes it
12:57:58  <Ammler> well, it is from my beginning, maybe I find a "better/ more proper" solution...
12:58:15  <Ammler> if not, I add such a comment, indeed.
12:58:52  <Ammler> iirc, that was suggested from the suse pros packagers.
13:00:51  <Ammler> Rubidium: if you are interested, I could give you access to the obs user on our server
13:01:05  <Ammler> so you can run the local build server
13:02:34  <Ammler> well, theoretically, the obs build server is also available for debian/ubuntu
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14:13:36  <planetmaker> <-- should I add that script which helps me generating the changelog to the repo?
14:13:59  <planetmaker> It's by no means a script which does it automatically, I still have to edit each line and judge whether it gets deleted. But...
14:14:59  <Ammler> didn't you already?
14:15:13  <Ammler> or do I have the template project in mind?
14:15:38  <Ammler> maybe in extra?
14:16:38  <planetmaker> I think it's not part of the repo. I spoke of OpenGFX - but it could be added to each. But then... it would also fit a general grfdev scripts repo
14:16:49  <planetmaker> it's not really needed, you know :-)
14:17:02  <planetmaker> it's just convenient for me - every few months
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15:13:42  <planetmaker> and especially <-- comments?
15:20:15  <Rubidium> with the other version, except 0.1.1 you didn't add newlines between different kinds of backport
15:20:36  <Rubidium> read: it's inconsitent
15:20:58  <Rubidium> African faces -> African manager faces?
15:21:22  <Rubidium> CC <- what's that (oh yes I'm stupid)
15:21:42  <Rubidium> Doc: Document looks double
15:21:54  <Rubidium> Ammler: don't need access
15:22:51  <Rubidium> in the readme: the first TTD -> Transport Tycoon Deluxe (TTD)?
15:25:41  <Ammler> planetmaker: did you check the credits list?
15:27:08  <Ammler> the missing real names is quite ugly.
15:29:02  <Rubidium> but we all know that planetmaker doesn't have a real name!
15:29:39  <Ammler> hmm, maybe Jesus Christ
15:29:44  <Rubidium> also you might consider word-wrapping readme.txt
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15:30:47  <Ammler> yes, I would include manual newlines, too.
15:31:35  <Ammler> around 70 chars per line?
15:32:37  <Rubidium> 72 :)
15:32:37  <Ammler> maybe we could change the credits list to Realname (nickname)
15:33:01  <Ammler> and those without to Anonymous (nickname)
15:33:36  <Ammler> then sort with realnames alphabetically :-)
15:34:02  <Ammler> might "force" some people to give us their names.
15:35:09  <Ammler> Anyway, is it legal to contribute to GPL without real name?
15:36:09  <Rubidium> I see no reason why it is not
15:36:50  <Ammler> nevermind, no discussion for 0.2.0 :-)
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15:40:22  <Ammler> planetmaker:
15:40:24  <Webster> Title: YouTube - Wer hats erfunden? (at
15:40:42  <DJNekkid> hi guy(s)
15:41:04  <Ammler> hey DJ(s)
15:41:45  <DJNekkid> lol
15:41:49  <DJNekkid> i got a gig tonight :)
15:47:18  <planetmaker> Thanks for feedback. Sorting by nicknames is fine IMO ;-)
15:47:37  <DJNekkid> hey planetmaker ... i got a small task for you :)
15:47:51  * planetmaker hides
15:47:57  <DJNekkid> should probably take you less then 10 mins
15:48:28  <DJNekkid> look at paxwag.tnfo :)
15:51:01  <planetmaker> what's preferrable: different commit types (Feature, Fix, Doc) separated by a blank line or just one row, one after another?
15:51:27  <DJNekkid> im not sure i follow you
15:52:33  <planetmaker> <-- you missed that
15:53:43  <planetmaker> and I wonder: is there a way to have the "source" text file as long lines and the resulting txt file with lines wrapped?
15:54:05  <planetmaker> It makes editing somewhat easier, if the line wraps don't have to be adopted.
15:54:41  <planetmaker> but what's with that template, DJNekkid ?
15:56:23  <planetmaker> 2 minutes are already over :-P
16:11:29  <planetmaker> I guess I cannot solve anything I don't know about...
16:14:20  <DJNekkid> were afk :)
16:14:21  <DJNekkid> hehe
16:14:26  <DJNekkid> point was ...
16:14:37  <DJNekkid> as you can see, there are literaly two templates there
16:14:59  <DJNekkid> my intentions were that "THIS_WAG_TYPE" could be "NORMAL" or "DD"
16:15:34  <DJNekkid> but the normal wagons were getting the DD as well
16:15:51  <planetmaker> line numbers?
16:16:27  <DJNekkid> 133
16:16:42  <DJNekkid> if i at line number 164 did:
16:16:49  <DJNekkid> #if THIS_WAG_TYPE == DD
16:16:56  <DJNekkid> the "NORMAL" ones still used it
16:18:10  <DJNekkid> currently it is kinda hacked
16:18:21  <DJNekkid> as you can see...
16:18:49  <planetmaker> did you try brackets and / or quotation marks like #if (THIS_WAG_TYPE == "DD")
16:18:56  <DJNekkid> no
16:19:01  <DJNekkid> but however
16:19:22  <planetmaker> NORMAL and DD are strings, not variables, so they will probably need quotation marks
16:19:30  <planetmaker> or?
16:19:42  <DJNekkid> if i in the "definition files" (i.e. ic1gen.pnfo or similars) dont put this:
16:19:53  <DJNekkid> #define THIS_WAG_TYPE NORMAL
16:19:59  <DJNekkid> it skips the first part
16:20:06  <DJNekkid> line 133 until #endif
16:20:30  <planetmaker> he :-)
16:20:50  <planetmaker> sounds like just this kind of string problem
16:21:05  <planetmaker> though I'd probably rather solve it by
16:21:58  <planetmaker> #include "THIS_WAG_TYPE.pnfo"... hm...  probably not that easy, though
16:22:04  <planetmaker> quotation marks suck
16:22:37  <planetmaker> you should definitely try with quotation marks and brackets as I wrote above.
16:23:54  <DJNekkid> but why does it work with NORMAL and not DD ?
16:25:51  <Rubidium> I'm sceptic about where #if works with strings
16:26:35  <DJNekkid> brackets and "'s dont work:
16:26:56  <DJNekkid> token ""normal"" is not valid in preprocessor expressions
16:27:34  <planetmaker> Reading gcc's docs, I get the feeling that such simple comparison might not work that way
16:28:06  <DJNekkid> so i should rather "define" normal as 01 and doubledecker as 02 ?
16:28:09  <DJNekkid> i.e.
16:28:37  <planetmaker> at least easier, yes
16:30:10  <planetmaker> there's probably a solution along the lines you tried, but I don't know how. I'd have to study the gcc docs, too
16:32:11  <planetmaker> if you like ;-)
16:32:12  <Webster> Title: If - The C Preprocessor (at
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16:35:08  <DJNekkid> already looked at that
16:35:18  <planetmaker> the solution I'd prefer is to conditionally include one or another file. But as said, it might be not too easy / or not looking too nice, if only using the gcc pre-processor.
16:35:45  <DJNekkid> i were thinking of makeing a subdir in the templates folder
16:35:50  <DJNekkid> wagons
16:35:53  <DJNekkid> pax
16:35:57  <DJNekkid> then two different ones
16:36:07  <DJNekkid> then something along:
16:36:19  <DJNekkid> #if THIS_WAG_TYPE == NORMAL
16:36:31  <LordAzamath> planetmaker congratz on the sprites completion ;)
16:36:33  <planetmaker> having a sub dir for each template is IMO not yet worth it. If the files are properly named, maybe each starting with wagon_XXX.tnfo
16:36:34  <DJNekkid> #include wagons/pax/normal.tnfo
16:37:00  <DJNekkid> #endif
16:37:21  <planetmaker> you'll need quotation marks ;-)
16:37:39  <planetmaker> #include "path/to/file"
16:38:43  <DJNekkid> well, sure
16:38:53  <DJNekkid> but you see the point...
16:40:04  <planetmaker> yes, of course
16:40:41  <DJNekkid> and im also thinking along the lines of:
16:41:10  <DJNekkid> doing the same ish thing for M's
16:41:11  <DJNekkid> MU's
16:41:31  <DJNekkid> where all MU's have "nustyle" files
16:41:42  <DJNekkid> but have variational action2's
16:41:51  <DJNekkid> where all "normal" ones have one file
16:42:00  <DJNekkid> and all variations have its own file
16:42:03  <DJNekkid> called in the same mannor
16:42:23  <DJNekkid> even if it is one single variation
16:42:55  <DJNekkid> for example, the LRC and the IC125 share same var2 pattern
16:43:16  <DJNekkid> the BM73, the RAE_TEE_II (ish), ET420, etc also
16:45:07  <planetmaker> hm, yes :-)
16:45:31  <planetmaker> ok, I'm off for a bit, need to do some shopping
16:45:41  <DJNekkid> happy presant'ing :)
16:46:06  <Ammler> Rubidium: why is there no source packages: ?
16:47:02  <planetmaker> Ammler,
16:47:38  <Ammler> planetmaker: ?
16:48:06  <Ammler> shall I make it self?
16:48:25  <Ammler> had it
16:55:55  <Rubidium> hmm, guess the CF failed there too
16:58:24  <Rubidium> lets see if rerunning the CF works
17:10:30  <Rubidium> there they are
17:18:02  <Brot6> 2cctrainset: update from r393 to r399, starting nightly compile
17:18:44  <Brot6> 2cctrainset: compile done (3 errors) -
17:18:45  <Brot6> bros: nightly compile not needed. (r10)
17:18:45  <Brot6> comic_houses: nightly compile not needed. (r65)
17:18:46  <Brot6> firs: nightly compile not needed. (r366)
17:18:47  <Brot6> fish: nightly compile not needed. (r220)
17:18:47  <Brot6> heqs: nightly compile not needed. (r172)
17:18:47  <Brot6> nmts: nightly compile not needed. (r15)
17:18:49  <Brot6> opengfx: update from r267 to r268, starting nightly compile
17:20:13  <Brot6> opengfx: compile done (1 errors) -
17:20:13  <Brot6> opensfx: nightly compile not needed. (r61)
17:20:13  <Brot6> worldairlineset: nightly compile not needed. (r584)
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17:31:27  <Ammler> thanks Rubidium
17:41:14  <planetmaker> Ammler: is there a way to update renum on our CF?
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17:53:07  <Ammler> localhost:~/repos/home:openttdcoop/openttd-data-opengfx/opengfx> make release_source
17:53:08  <Ammler> mkdir: missing operand
17:53:12  <Ammler> planetmaker: yes :-)
17:53:21  <Ammler> I just updated the packages
17:54:45  <planetmaker> hm... release_source fails, yes?
17:54:59  <Ammler> seems so or I run it wrongly?
17:55:10  <planetmaker> probably not. I'll check
17:55:22  <planetmaker> I was just about to commit it. Luckily I didn't yet push :-P
17:55:37  <planetmaker> and I didn't commit locally anything further either....
17:55:41  <Ammler> I am at testing your patch :-)
17:55:42  <planetmaker> so rollback works :-P
17:56:07  <Ammler> hmm, maybe also rename the target to "source" only
17:56:07  <planetmaker> and I appreciate that :-) I just thought you might have done it already.
17:56:24  <planetmaker> both then. source and release-source. For legacy reasons.
17:56:30  <Ammler> then you would have got feedback.
17:56:58  <planetmaker> :-)
17:57:23  <Ammler> theoretically, we don't need to support downwards compatibitly for beta releases ;-)
17:59:02  <planetmaker> true.
17:59:17  <planetmaker> but then I need to remove (and probably should!) release-install, too
17:59:35  <planetmaker> though... better maybe rename this to "bundle_src" ?
17:59:58  <Ammler> dunno :-)
18:00:04  <planetmaker> sounds nice to me :-)
18:00:21  <Ammler> hmm, release-install was just target which might already be in use
18:00:24  <planetmaker> btw, you're right, make release must fail
18:00:28  <Ammler> source isn't
18:00:53  <Ammler> he instead of alias the targets
18:01:24  <Ammler> generate a msg. "target is obsolete, use soundso instead"
18:01:27  <planetmaker> no one except us uses release-install so far, or?
18:02:03  <Ammler> planetmaker: afaik, official fedora and suse still installs manually
18:02:31  <Ammler> as they have the php scripts in the docs :-)
18:07:17  <Ammler> planetmaker: ping me, if you are done...
18:07:35  <planetmaker> let me give you a new patch
18:07:41  <planetmaker> or updated rather :-)
18:08:51  <planetmaker> same address as before, updated
18:10:07  <planetmaker>
18:20:44  <Brot6> is2: new trunk patch:
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18:37:03  <Hirundo> How are these trunk patches currently generated?
18:42:02  <Ammler> Hirundo:
18:42:31  <Ammler> planetmaker: why does target bundle_src need to generate grfs?
18:47:16  <Hirundo> FYI- I have done some testing, and I think hg will work
18:51:09  <planetmaker> Ammler: good question :-)
18:51:42  <planetmaker> actually... it doesn't need to. But it does. As does 'test' - for a reason I haven't yet figured.
18:52:02  <planetmaker> it's probably the dependency check... recursive make is not w/o problems, I guess
18:52:11  <planetmaker> or rather pitfalls. It's not a real problem
18:54:36  <Ammler> <-- looks fine
18:55:09  <planetmaker> renum needs updating. it complains :-)
18:55:18  <planetmaker> (the one on the CF)
18:55:23  <Ammler> yep
18:55:36  <Ammler> but I guess, I don't
18:55:55  <Ammler> I rather move the compile farm to salieri where the new renum is already installed :-)
19:00:18  <planetmaker> :-) true
19:04:35  <Ammler> hmm, could you make the same with opensfx?
19:04:59  <Ammler> might be already too late as that release is already done, but....
19:05:25  <planetmaker> yes, it can be done
19:06:15  <planetmaker> make a ticket :-)
19:09:05  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Revision 269: Change: Determine automatically whether we build a release or a nightly a... @ (by planetmaker)
19:09:06  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Revision 270: Change: Let the readme reflect the project status and update a few links @ (by planetmaker)
19:11:30  <Ammler> ticket done ;-)
19:11:52  <Ammler> #675
19:12:54  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 14293: [IS] Fix: _local_company != _current_company. @ (by Hirundo)
19:14:09  <planetmaker> true. thx
19:15:41  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenSFX - Feature #675 (Closed): use default behaviour for make targets @ (by planetmaker)
19:16:22  <Ammler> he, you closed the sfx ticket :-P
19:33:18  <DJNekkid>  any bets on that "Generic Train Set" ?
19:33:54  <planetmaker> meh
19:34:02  <planetmaker> wrong ticket closed :-P
19:34:11  <DJNekkid> my bet is, it will NEVER be finished
19:34:20  <planetmaker> DJNekkid: my best bet is in 2 years earliest started
19:35:24  <DJNekkid> tbh, i doubt it ever will be dont anything with. As someone pointed out on one of the first pages, the 2cc set is pretty much as generic as there can be
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19:36:23  <planetmaker> one of the biggest obstacles is nekomaster :-P
19:36:38  <DJNekkid> you mean, THE obstacle :)
19:37:58  <DJNekkid> he wants so much...
19:38:00  <DJNekkid> SO much!
19:38:07  <DJNekkid> but only gets there 20%
19:38:51  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenSFX - Feature #675 (New): use default behaviour for make targets @ (by planetmaker)
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19:41:38  <planetmaker> yeah. at most
19:41:53  <DJNekkid> even that ...
19:41:57  <DJNekkid> what was it again
19:42:41  <DJNekkid> queens rail narrow guage tilt train
19:42:43  <DJNekkid> or something
19:43:19  <DJNekkid> didnt look _too bad_
19:43:23  <DJNekkid> i even coded it for him
19:43:28  <DJNekkid> with LOTS and LOTS of comments
19:46:31  <planetmaker> he's not willing to learn or take advice
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20:08:37  <planetmaker> hm... toyland wagons fixed now.
20:08:46  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Revision 271: Fix (r258): There's only one wagon type for toyland. Use the normal ones ... @ (by planetmaker)
20:20:10  <Rubidium> hmm, why is issue 675 > 2 months old when 672 isn't even a day old?
20:21:52  <Ammler> because I just made a copy of the ogfx ticket ;-)
20:24:15  <Rubidium> then redmine should say so... :(
20:24:40  <Rubidium> people will go nuts if they see bugreports appear that are 'months' old
20:28:37  <Ammler> ah well, I guess, nobody can make copies usually :-)
20:29:45  <Rubidium> I've got a copy button to click on
20:30:20  <Ammler> I guess, it's a manager feature
20:43:44  <SmatZ> I see it too, as "Developer"
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20:56:36  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Revision 272: Feature: More climate specific monorail and maglev wagons (Graphics by mo... @ (by planetmaker)
21:00:47  <planetmaker> Ammler: care to look over the current state of OpenGFX?
21:01:09  <planetmaker> It's ready for tagging, I think, if there's no big blunder left
21:05:51  <planetmaker> well...
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21:21:51  <planetmaker> ... I guess ...
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21:25:11  <Ammler> yes, it should
21:25:28  <Ammler> I still have no idea, how to split openttd
21:26:55  <planetmaker> he...
21:27:32  <Ammler> the issue is that openttd-gui and server uses the same binary name
21:30:14  <planetmaker> ah...
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21:45:18  <planetmaker> Released. Pushed. Uploading :-D
21:47:13  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Revision 273: Update changelog and prepare for the long awaited release of a complete b... @ (by planetmaker)
21:47:13  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Revision 274: Added tag 0.2.0 for changeset cff739bbb521 @ (by planetmaker)
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21:51:04  <Ammler> oh, tagged :-)
21:51:38  <planetmaker> yep :-) I'm just looking how to convince the CF to build the releases
21:52:36  <planetmaker> can you remind me?
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22:07:12  <planetmaker> Ammler: ^
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22:09:09  <Ammler> planetmaker: build it on salieri or at home
22:09:20  <planetmaker> ok
22:09:29  <Ammler> as the CF doesn't have newest renum or doesn't that matter?
22:09:42  <planetmaker> not 100% sure
22:10:47  <Ammler>  /home/obs/repos/home:openttdcoop/openttd-data-opengfx/opengfx <-- the checkout I tested with
22:11:37  <planetmaker> salieri?
22:11:42  <planetmaker> what does "obs" stand for?
22:12:07  <Rubidium> openttd base sound/samples ofcourse!
22:12:18  <planetmaker> :-P
22:13:12  <Ammler> opensuse building server or service?
22:13:38  <DJNekkid> ttyl ... got a gig in 45...
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22:14:09  <Ammler> I have already made the src bundle
22:14:22  <Ammler> I could make the others too and move those to the bundles dir
22:15:23  <planetmaker> jo... zip: permission denied ;-)
22:19:35  <Ammler> p7zip installed
22:26:32  <Ammler> <-- ok?
22:30:53  <Ammler> [Checking] sprites/ogfxh_tropical.nfo
22:30:54  <Ammler> <stdin>:404:59: warning: no newline at end of file
22:31:59  <Ammler> planetmaker: did you change something on Makefile so it doesn't build anymore without renum?
22:32:19  <planetmaker> Dunno... maybe?
22:32:40  <planetmaker> Link sounds about ok
22:33:22  <Ammler>
22:34:16  <planetmaker> obviously the answer is 'yes'
22:34:42  <planetmaker> and... makes sense
22:35:03  <planetmaker> and I think I made somewhere a mistake...
22:35:19  <planetmaker> It calls itself -nightly-272M :-(
22:35:40  <planetmaker> bugger that.
22:37:11  <Ammler> the one I posted?
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22:38:28  <Ammler>
22:38:35  <planetmaker> the one uploaded
22:38:41  <planetmaker> I guess
22:40:30  <planetmaker> yes
22:40:45  <planetmaker> I guess I don't care
22:41:37  <planetmaker> nice, Ammler :-)
22:46:25  <Ammler> <-- complete :-)
22:46:44  <Ammler> it needs around 20 mins from building until it is mirrored
22:47:03  <Ammler>
22:47:22  <Ammler> <-- available distros
22:49:22  <planetmaker> well... so I released opengfx-nightly-r272M... grrr
22:50:29  <Ammler> maglev looks a bit missalined
22:50:57  <Ammler> hmm
22:52:14  <Ammler>
22:52:15  <Webster> Title: plasma-desktopEw2419.jpg (at
22:56:12  <planetmaker> it does. oh well
22:59:58  <Ammler> and the tunnel glitch is still there
23:00:28  <planetmaker> Not all wagons are short. Also not the engines.
23:00:34  <planetmaker> But... maglev should be.
23:00:48  <planetmaker> if they still glitch.. dunno why.
23:01:33  <Ammler> the train on the screen
23:02:08  <planetmaker> for another time to worry, I think. Time for bed :-)
23:02:39  <Ammler> shall I remove the release?
23:03:20  <planetmaker> from bananas? There's no way back
23:03:33  <Ammler> no, from bundles
23:03:43  <planetmaker> Note to self: upload to bananas last
23:04:05  <Ammler> well, you could reupload 0.1.1
23:04:05  <planetmaker> Not sensible to remove it. It's out in the world
23:04:09  <Brot6> is2: Backup push to ssh:// initiated.
23:04:20  <Brot6> opengfx: Backup push to ssh:// initiated.
23:04:24  <planetmaker> And why would I upload 0.1.1?
23:04:58  <planetmaker> (which I would need to give a higher number then anyway)
23:05:23  <planetmaker> nah. I leave the mess for tonight and there might be a better 0.2.1 then soon
23:05:58  <planetmaker> Or not. Seems like I'm even unable to release something properly
23:06:38  <Ammler> :-)
23:07:08  <Ammler> anyway, you did a awesome job lately.
23:08:13  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Bug #676 (New): Action colours in female African manager faces @ (by zephyris)
23:13:52  <Rubidium> yeah... just round up the first list of bugs, fix them and release something new :)
23:14:39  * Ammler votes still vor reverting the waggon size change :-)
23:15:27  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: #openttdcoop - Wiki edit: Welcome (#30) @ (by planetmaker)
23:15:28  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: #openttdcoop - Wiki edit: Making_a_release (#3) @ (by planetmaker)
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23:17:48  <Ammler>
23:17:49  <Webster> Title: plasma-desktopdt2419.jpg (at
23:21:35  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: #openttdcoop - Wiki edit: Making_a_release (#4) @ (by planetmaker)
23:28:39  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Bug #676: Action colours in female African manager faces @ (by athanasios)
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23:31:44  <Ammler> good night from my side too, I let the release stay

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