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00:00:59 *** Brot6 has quit IRC 00:01:06 *** Brot6 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 00:03:00 <Ammler> of course, it would be very cool if we could build renum for older distros too 00:03:29 <Ammler> http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/openttdcoop/ 00:03:37 <planetmaker> I just do an svn co of current boost... 00:03:42 <planetmaker> ... it takes its time 00:03:58 <Ammler> isn't there a source package? 00:04:47 <planetmaker> dunno. 00:05:01 <planetmaker> you said there was no such package 00:05:01 <Ammler> I tried to build the newer boost on obs, but I failed with lots of dependencies... 00:05:25 <Ammler> I said there is no new boost on the obs 00:05:32 <Ammler> (for old distros) 00:06:05 <Ammler> you see, we can support back to sles 9 :-) 00:15:43 <planetmaker> Ammler: renum built 00:16:49 <planetmaker> what I did: download current boost. Symlink the boost folder to /usr/include/boost and make renum 00:17:16 <planetmaker> (and rename previously /usr/include/boost to /usr/include/boost-1-33 00:18:35 <planetmaker> so... if it doesn't work with suse's pre-supplied boost packages they're either not up2date with them or they break boost 00:18:36 <Ammler> hmm 00:18:58 <Ammler> not possible to have boost somehow in the renum source? 00:19:15 <planetmaker> with that size?! 00:19:21 <Ammler> nah 00:19:22 <planetmaker> no way, I say 00:19:32 <Ammler> I mean for building 00:21:03 <Ammler> e.g. defining boost dir in renum makefile 00:21:11 <planetmaker> yes, you can do that. 00:21:15 <Ammler> but? 00:21:24 <planetmaker> But that somehow doesn't work for me 00:21:43 <Ammler> ok, didn't either for me, then I gave up 00:21:44 <planetmaker> while symlinking the boost include dir where it's expected always works 00:22:34 <planetmaker> maybe we should tell DaleStan :-) 00:22:49 <Ammler> I thought there are other reasons... 00:23:19 <Ammler> in that case, I would need to build boost first 00:23:33 <Ammler> so I can install that 00:23:53 <planetmaker> you don't need to build it. 00:23:54 <Ammler> as BuildRequiremnt 00:24:08 <planetmaker> you just need it 00:24:24 <planetmaker> you only need the headers. Just install it. 00:24:43 <planetmaker> the optional building can be skipped in most cases - even the boost readme does say so 00:24:49 <planetmaker> even recommends. 00:25:34 <Ammler> well, installing to system 00:26:40 <Ammler> do you have a url to boost package? 00:27:18 <planetmaker> http://svn.boost.org/svn/boost/trunk/boost/ 00:27:31 <planetmaker> skip the last boost 00:29:44 <Ammler> well, I have it, the source package 00:29:56 <Ammler> you can't svn from obs 00:30:27 <Ammler> it creates a chail no access to the interent ;-) 00:33:24 <Ammler> so I just need to install subfolder boost to /usr/include 00:33:53 <planetmaker> yes. 00:34:02 <planetmaker> mind there might exist a boost already 00:51:33 <planetmaker> I'm off. Good night Ammler 00:54:40 *** PeterT has quit IRC 01:43:02 *** KenjiE20|LT has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 01:44:22 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 01:48:32 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 01:49:10 *** KenjiE20|LT has quit IRC 01:49:10 *** KenjiE20 is now known as KenjiE20|LT 02:14:19 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 3014: Translation updates @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/3014 (by winterheart) 02:14:19 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 3015: One missing string (#4380) @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/3015 (by winterheart) 02:14:19 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 3016: Adds buttons to scroll the tabs when they overflow. @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/3016 (by jplang) 02:33:47 <Brot6> Backup done! (Usage: 108M) 04:02:25 *** KenjiE20|LT has quit IRC 04:39:11 *** Chris_Booth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 05:10:17 *** Chris_Booth has quit IRC 06:40:31 *** DJNekkid has quit IRC 07:44:36 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:01:30 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Revision 277: Feature: Norwegian bokmal translation (edorfaus) @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/277 (by planetmaker) 09:13:29 *** andythenorth has left #openttdcoop.devzone 09:27:23 <Ammler> planetmaker: it worked :-) 09:28:03 <Ammler> except for sles9 09:28:48 <Rubidium> do you care about nforenum/grfcodec on sles9? 09:52:44 <planetmaker> nice that it worked now :-) 09:57:37 <Ammler> well, sles9 is the only distro on obs not working anymore and well, I don't care that much, it isn't just perfect :-) 09:58:50 <Ammler> made also a complete rewrite with openttd.spec 09:59:56 <Ammler> mainly removed special cases for distro installs and added dedicated support 10:03:05 <Ammler> http://obs.openttdcoop.org/specs/openttd/openttd.spec 10:04:29 <Ammler> http://obs.openttdcoop.org/specs/openttd-devel-nforenum-boost/openttd-devel-nforenum-boost.spec <-- this is the boost-hack for renum :-) 10:25:27 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenSFX - Revision 62: Add: rpm spec templates @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opensfx/repository/revisions/62 (by Ammler) 10:26:35 <Ammler> majonaise, forgot about the description :-/ 10:35:19 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:04:08 <Brot6> opengfx: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/OpenTTD/opengfx/ initiated. 11:04:16 <Brot6> opensfx: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/OpenTTD/opensfx/ initiated. 11:12:11 *** tneo has quit IRC 11:16:47 *** XeryusTC has quit IRC 11:16:47 *** planetmaker has quit IRC 11:17:01 *** tneo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:17:41 *** SmatZ has quit IRC 11:17:51 *** SmatZ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:19:01 *** XeryusTC has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:19:29 *** planetmaker has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:19:49 *** planetmaker is now known as Guest80 11:24:06 *** Guest80 is now known as planetmaker 11:37:57 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Revision 278: Change: rename rpm spec @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/278 (by Ammler) 11:37:57 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Revision 279: Change/Add: rpm specs to build OpenGFX on all big distros except SLES9 @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/279 (by Ammler) 11:37:57 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Revision 280: Change: nforenum does need a very new boost to build @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/280 (by Ammler) 11:41:32 <planetmaker> Ammler, "very new" is relative. 1_39 works for me, too 11:41:58 <planetmaker> I think the readme somewhere states 1_38 or so. Maybe 1_35. but not 1_33 - which is very old to be honest ;-) 11:43:11 <Ammler> as you said, "very new" is relative ;-) 11:43:34 <Ammler> it failed on openSUSE 11.0 11:44:22 <Ammler> it fails on the newest Distros CentOS & Redhat 11:44:47 <planetmaker> that doesn't tell about boost versions 11:46:15 <Ammler> btw: do you see why that fails: http://pastebin.ca/1715610 ? 11:47:12 <planetmaker> the one on the server is over three years old 11:47:41 <Ammler> SLES9 :-) 11:47:55 <Ammler> so not fixeable? 11:48:34 <planetmaker> it seems to look for g++ includes which it doesn't find 11:48:44 <Ammler> Else I am so happy, ti works for all supported rpm distros now :-) 11:50:44 <planetmaker> other than it *seems* to miss g++ header files of the correct version, I don't know :-) 11:51:56 <planetmaker> and good to see it available for all those distros :-) Good job, Ammler :-) 11:53:47 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Revision 281: Add: quite hard to push files which are ignored. ;-) @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/281 (by Ammler) 11:53:50 <Ammler> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/show/extra/os/rpm/grfcodec <-- do you think, I should report those patches (again)? 11:54:17 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:56:50 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenSFX - Feature #672 (Closed): rpm spec files @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/672#change-1802 (by Ammler) 11:59:34 <planetmaker> Ammler, I don't think that a general removal of upx is desirable. 11:59:51 <planetmaker> What you rather want (than removing it) is a test for availability - and use it, if present. 12:04:29 <Ammler> well, according to #openttd upx sucks anyway 12:04:42 <Ammler> so I thought, no need to check it further :-) 12:05:58 <Rubidium> #openttd? 12:06:02 <Ammler> petern :-) 12:06:17 <Rubidium> oh, okay... then #openttd is allowed :) 12:06:18 <Ammler> well, I agree on that. 12:06:35 <Ammler> upx is nowadays useless 12:07:00 <planetmaker> it still reduces the file size 12:07:17 <Ammler> but it makes it slower, more memory usage... 12:07:45 <Ammler> for maybe 50kByte? 12:08:16 <Ammler> then we should start to remove old nightlies :-P 12:09:58 <Rubidium> ah well, Debian doesn't allow UPXed binaries, so it should definitely be made a configurable option 12:13:03 <Ammler> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/3375 12:13:40 <Ammler> hmm, i have to admit, I didn't check it proper, if it is already possible to disable it with options :-) 12:14:34 <planetmaker> it's not afaik. 12:15:03 <planetmaker> but it's moderately easy to make it an option 12:17:05 <Rubidium> Ammler: in 0.6 I'm not seeing it coming down the lock near the dock 12:19:12 <Rubidium> actually, neither does 0.5 12:19:41 <Ammler> hmm, do I miss something? 12:21:22 <planetmaker> I'm missing some considerable context. Or are those upx version numbers? 12:21:25 <planetmaker> or debian? 12:21:41 <Rubidium> context is 13:13 12:21:56 <Rubidium> and neither does 0.4.0 / 0.4 12:22:05 <Rubidium> so it's just how the old pathfinder worked 12:22:39 <Rubidium> the other route has less corners, thus was found earlier; the number of corners a ship can make is seriously limited in OPF 12:22:59 <Ammler> do you speak about #openttd? 12:23:21 <Rubidium> well, I speak about the OpenTTD bug report you linked in THIS channel 12:23:39 <Rubidium> anyhow, OPF bails out after changing direction 4 times 12:23:45 <Ammler> he 12:23:56 <Ammler> are you sure? #3375 12:24:15 <Ammler> :-) 12:24:15 <Rubidium> yes, I'm definitely sure 12:24:26 <planetmaker> eh... path finders? 12:24:29 <Ammler> my 3375 is a ticket about the spec I made 12:24:40 <Rubidium> oh, woepsie :) 12:24:55 <Rubidium> off-by-one :( 12:25:00 <planetmaker> he :-) 12:27:57 <Ammler> planetmaker: do you have a openttd installed in your system? 12:28:00 <Ammler> or Rubidium? 12:28:09 <planetmaker> well, I do 12:28:17 <Ammler> do you have the Icon in the start menu? 12:28:28 <planetmaker> oh. installed as in used an installer? 12:28:32 <planetmaker> No. 12:28:41 <Ammler> installed as not just build locally :-) 12:28:53 <Ammler> make install 12:29:14 <Ammler> or zypper in openttd 12:29:44 <planetmaker> If I can avoid root, I do ;-) - especially for things which I update ever so often. So no install for OpenTTD 12:29:51 <Rubidium> I've never installed OpenTTD, except when testing the Windows installer 12:30:17 <Ammler> well, I installed it to test my spec :-) 12:30:25 <planetmaker> And it works? 12:30:31 <Ammler> Rubidium: you never tested linux install? 12:30:37 <Ammler> http://imagebin.ca/view/KWqtdxv.html 12:30:38 <Rubidium> nope 12:30:38 <Webster> Title: plasma-desktopES2548.jpg (at imagebin.ca) 12:31:05 <Rubidium> hell, I'm not even using gnome or kde 12:31:37 <planetmaker> strange icon you have there, Ammler 12:33:36 <Rubidium> Ammler: about FS#3375, why remove the Version? 12:33:59 <Ammler> but that way it works: http://imagebin.ca/view/e4XSMhCm.html 12:34:00 <Webster> Title: plasma-desktopdc2548.jpg (at imagebin.ca) 12:34:33 <Ammler> Rubidium: it doesn't work and the spec doesn't recommend to use it. 12:37:53 <Ammler> alt-f2 is also fine, it is really only that stupid menu icon 12:40:45 <planetmaker> Ammler, my suse 11.0 repos don't show any openttd available anyway... so hard to test :-) 12:43:50 <Ammler> planetmaker: zypper ar -f http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/openttdcoop/openSUSE_11.0 openttd 12:44:35 <Ammler> hmm, don't you have packman installed? 12:45:32 <planetmaker> I usually use yast2 12:46:04 <Ammler> yast is just another frontend :-) 12:46:15 <Ammler> they all use rpm 12:46:50 <Ammler> packman ist the most important suse repo 13:43:43 *** Mark has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:04:19 <Brot6> opengfx: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/OpenTTD/opengfx/ initiated. 15:57:40 *** LordAzamath has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:36:20 *** PeterT has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:45:24 *** LordAzamath has quit IRC 16:51:04 *** ODM has quit IRC 16:59:47 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 17:00:34 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:18:02 <Brot6> 2cctrainset: update from r406 to r408, starting nightly compile 17:19:04 <Brot6> 2cctrainset: compile done (1 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/2cctrainset/nightlies/ 17:19:04 <Brot6> bros: nightly compile not needed. (r10) 17:19:04 <Brot6> comic-houses: nightly compile not needed. (r68) 17:19:05 <Brot6> firs: nightly compile not needed. (r366) 17:19:05 <Brot6> fish: nightly compile not needed. (r220) 17:19:06 <Brot6> heqs: nightly compile not needed. (r172) 17:19:07 <Brot6> nmts: nightly compile not needed. (r15) 17:19:11 <Brot6> opengfx: update from r276 to r281, starting nightly compile 17:21:08 <Brot6> opengfx: compile done (1 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/opengfx/nightlies/ 17:21:08 <Brot6> opensfx: update from r61 to r62, starting nightly compile 17:21:36 <Brot6> opensfx: compile completely failed! :-( - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/opensfx/nightlies/compile-log/opensfx-FAILED-compile-error.log 17:21:36 <Brot6> worldairlineset: nightly compile not needed. (r584) 17:29:42 <Rubidium> noes.... who broke OpenSFX? 17:29:53 <Rubidium> or rather, who didn't install catcodec? 17:31:13 <Ammler> majonaise! 17:31:31 <Ammler> make: /usr/local/bin/catcodec: Command not found 17:32:46 <Ammler> skipping package 'catcodec' (already installed) 17:32:57 <Ammler> hmm, might it be linked absolutely? 17:36:04 <Brot6> opensfx: no commit since last failed compile, compile skipped (r62) 17:36:14 <Ammler> hmm 17:38:33 <Brot6> opensfx: no commit since last failed compile, compile skipped (r62) 17:47:45 <Brot6> opensfx: update from r61 to r62, starting nightly compile 17:48:50 <Brot6> opensfx: compile done (0 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/opensfx/nightlies/ 17:53:03 <planetmaker> he :-P 17:54:35 <Ammler> yeah, you are quilty :-P 18:05:32 <Ammler> (the Makefile.nightly was a bit strange configured. 18:32:12 *** Chris_Booth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:57:50 *** Chris_Booth has quit IRC 19:50:18 *** Mark has quit IRC 20:00:27 *** Chris_Booth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:01:53 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:05:08 <andythenorth> hi hi 20:06:15 <planetmaker> moin andy :-) 20:13:21 <planetmaker> andythenorth: did you release it in the form that you did tag a specific version with a version number... or how did you release FISH? 20:13:41 <planetmaker> I mean... release means "set free" or something... 20:13:44 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 20:14:00 <planetmaker> *sigh* 20:18:19 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:18:19 <Ammler> for FIRS, I just used a nightly 20:21:33 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenSFX - Feature #685 (New): add sound @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/685 (by janusz) 20:22:59 <planetmaker> Hm... I'd tag the released versions. 20:23:09 <planetmaker> Or we end up like TTDP 20:23:29 <planetmaker> But personally I'd invest the time to prepare a bit of a readme and a changelog 20:23:53 <planetmaker> and if only the readme tells where to get more information and whoever wrote this stuff and where to obtain updates 20:27:04 *** Chris_Booth has quit IRC 20:27:22 <Ammler> well, it wasn't a release 20:27:33 <Ammler> it was just a testversion we used for the server 20:28:07 <Ammler> hmm, readme and such stuff is also with nightlies 20:28:43 <planetmaker> yes. But updates :-) 20:29:06 <planetmaker> Btw... https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/685 <-- looks like the suspicious mail we received. Obviously a real person :-) 20:29:07 <Ammler> well, on public release I agree with you :-) 20:32:15 *** Chris_Booth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:40:16 *** DJNekkid has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:43:26 <DJNekkid> so planetmaker... 20:43:33 <DJNekkid> any news on the wagons? :P 20:43:42 <DJNekkid> or shal we just use our old ones, that are in fact, not so bad 20:45:25 <DJNekkid> all pax have been added :) 20:48:23 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 20:50:59 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:06:42 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: did you look at the OpenGFX wagons? 21:06:58 <DJNekkid> the ones you posted on the ticket? 21:06:59 <planetmaker> I mean... they're quite usable. But alone they're not sufficient 21:07:04 <planetmaker> I guess so, yes 21:07:13 <planetmaker> Might be that OpenGFX has updated sprites 21:07:31 <DJNekkid> i saw them, but im not sure what my conclution were 21:07:42 <planetmaker> :-P I cannot tell you ;-) 21:10:32 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Bug #645 (Closed): Something wrong with the tender @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/645#change-1803 (by DJNekkid) 21:10:50 <Ammler> Rubidium: the additional configure argument --shared-dir seems not to work for linux 21:11:11 <DJNekkid> people seem to want a gondola, as well as a flatbed... 21:13:29 <Ammler> he SmatZ #openttd proves, not only geeks use gentoo 21:17:58 <Ammler> configure run outputs "shared data directory... share/openttd" but it doesn't read open[g|s]fx there :'-( 21:19:17 <Ammler> I guess, I just build a symlink: ln -s share/openttd/data share/openttd-nightly/data/openttd 21:26:49 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 409: Change: Moved the pcx templates to an own subdir @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/409 (by DJNekkid) 21:26:49 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 410: Feature: Added all of thoose railbusses @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/410 (by DJNekkid) 21:26:49 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 411: Add: 811 DMU @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/411 (by DJNekkid) 21:28:04 <Ammler> DJNekkid: if you are at moving, you might move the templates outside of the source/sprite 21:28:26 <DJNekkid> huh? 21:28:55 <DJNekkid> well, subdir in the subdir :) 21:33:14 <Ammler> every code used to make the sprites/*.nfo should be below sprites/ 21:33:53 <DJNekkid> thoose are not code ... 21:33:58 <Ammler> the pcx are fine there 21:34:00 <Ammler> the nfo not 21:34:52 <Ammler> but it is finally up2you :-P 21:35:59 <DJNekkid> i've just followed PM's initial example :) 21:44:01 <planetmaker> hehe 21:44:19 <planetmaker> he has a point, though ;-) 21:44:58 <DJNekkid> oki :P 21:45:50 <planetmaker> The nfo templates are code and should probably belong into the nfo dir (maybe sprites/nfo/templates) and the pcx templates... well... they're not code. They may remain where they are or in the pcx dir or whereever. Dunno 21:46:02 <planetmaker> And yes, I know I argued differently before 21:46:30 <DJNekkid> but that was probably before they were "code" 21:46:40 <DJNekkid> they were just copied from there as needed 21:46:48 <planetmaker> yes, Probably :-) 21:47:12 <planetmaker> and... it's not *that* important and I was lazy and I didn't want to confuse you ;-) 21:47:29 <DJNekkid> mostly lazy :) 21:47:36 <planetmaker> :-P 21:47:50 <planetmaker> I would like to contradict. But it's true wrt 2cc 21:48:03 <DJNekkid> hehe! :=) 21:48:19 <planetmaker> at least lately 21:48:44 <DJNekkid> makes two of us 21:48:49 <DJNekkid> atleast semi-lately 21:48:53 <DJNekkid> i've done some things the last weekish 21:49:11 <planetmaker> you did way more :-) And well 21:49:28 <planetmaker> But then it's your baby ;-) 21:49:33 <DJNekkid> sure is 21:49:49 <planetmaker> Apropos... I surely would argue (again) to leave out the region parameters. 21:50:09 <planetmaker> They make the parameters bloated. 21:50:21 <planetmaker> or to condense them to one single parameter 21:50:38 <DJNekkid> to be host, i'd love to leave them out! 21:51:15 <DJNekkid> *honest 21:53:22 <Ammler> [22:46] <DJNekkid> they were just copied from there as needed <-- like a template :-) 21:53:37 <DJNekkid> exactly :) 21:54:14 <Ammler> but now you use those nfos like macros 21:54:17 <DJNekkid> but thoose region-parameters ... no really need i suppose :) 21:54:37 <DJNekkid> and they can be reintroduced to 2.1 if people REALLY want them 21:54:48 <Ammler> well, at the end you need to be able to read the code 21:54:54 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 412: Add: 3 more (single unit, reuse railbus code) metros @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/412 (by DJNekkid) 21:54:54 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 413: Forgot: the files :P @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/413 (by DJNekkid) 21:55:08 <Ammler> it would just be proper, like the src folder in openttd 21:56:32 <DJNekkid> well, feel free to move stuff around as much as you please :) 22:07:11 <planetmaker> well... the folder *has* to be called sprites 22:07:26 <planetmaker> or grfcodec (or was it renum?) complains 22:07:35 <DJNekkid> both i think 22:57:01 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 22:59:34 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 23:04:03 <Brot6> 2cctrainset: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/OpenTTD/2cctrainset/ initiated. 23:08:34 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 23:24:13 <Rubidium> Ammler: that's because Linux doesn't have such a concept 23:50:09 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone