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00:07:59 *** ODM has quit IRC 00:59:32 *** PeterT has quit IRC 01:01:47 *** PeterT has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 01:02:03 *** PeterT has left #openttdcoop.devzone 01:04:01 *** PeterT has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 02:12:50 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 3057: Redmine.pm: deny access if user doesn't have browse_repository permissio... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/3057 (by jplang) 02:12:50 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 3058: Added the revision title to any revision links. @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/3058 (by edavis10) 02:33:44 <Brot6> Backup done! (Usage: 111M) 03:54:29 *** PeterT has quit IRC 08:09:06 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 09:14:13 *** Rubidium has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 09:14:35 <Rubidium> https://secure.openttd.org/bugs/task/3408 <- people already complain about OGFX not having the sprites :( 09:15:45 <planetmaker> he... 09:16:55 <planetmaker> The nightly has it already 09:17:13 <Rubidium> that's what I said :) 09:17:45 <planetmaker> :-) 10:22:58 *** Zuu has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:27:32 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Revision 290: Fix: Map generation sprites for the original map generator yielded bad re... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/290 (by planetmaker) 10:32:01 <Ammler> 0.2.1 release! 10:36:40 <planetmaker> yes. Today 10:36:44 <planetmaker> Or tomorrow 10:37:02 <planetmaker> Maybe with maglev alignment fixes. If I'm too slow, without 10:37:33 <planetmaker> if you want you can move all other 0.2.1 issues to 0.2.2 ;-) 10:38:11 <planetmaker> Can you by tomorrow then provide rpms of that, too? 10:38:23 <planetmaker> maybe also of OpenSFX? 10:38:47 <planetmaker> would be nice, if all the build things work smoothly now for 0.2.1. :-) 10:39:44 <planetmaker> but I left the mapgen issue open. The results are better. Way better. But I'm not really 100% satisfied. I still hope for input and improvments by Noldo 10:39:58 <planetmaker> I simply don't get Zephyris pcx to result in good maps for me... 10:40:35 <planetmaker> laber rharbarber... :-P 10:44:48 <planetmaker> but before the release I have to fetch and then help preparing the turkey from the butcher :-) So the release won't be before tonight... 11:04:10 <Brot6> opengfx: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/OpenTTD/opengfx/ initiated. 11:36:19 <Ammler> [11:37] <planetmaker> Can you by tomorrow then provide rpms of that, too? <-- rpm update is done in 1min now 11:36:42 <planetmaker> well... wait for the maglev fix 11:36:56 <planetmaker> and the 0.2.1 release, I'd say 11:37:10 <Ammler> well, that is quite needed :-P 11:37:24 <planetmaker> maybe you write already a release text? :-) Maglev alignment fixes will be in 0.2.1. 11:37:27 <Ammler> I don't rpm nightlies, except openttdcoop :-) 11:37:30 <planetmaker> But not wagon length changes 11:38:12 <planetmaker> though... probably the shorter wagons are really not needed. I'll do some further testing with that later. For now engine and wagon alignment wrt eachother has to suffice 11:38:46 <Ammler> did you see my snow sprite house glitches yesterday? 11:39:02 <planetmaker> yes, I saw it. Ugly 11:39:14 <planetmaker> Is it there as / in a ticket? 11:39:25 <planetmaker> I'll forget otherwise 11:39:30 <Ammler> "/"? 11:39:38 <planetmaker> a new / part of an existing 11:39:57 <Ammler> I added it to #77 11:40:01 <planetmaker> ok. thx 11:40:56 <Ammler> I would also like to finish the transfer before 24 evening. 11:41:32 <Ammler> there are some family days at 25/26 11:41:33 <planetmaker> which transfer? 11:41:39 <Ammler> and on 27, the server will go down 11:41:39 <planetmaker> oh, devzone. 11:41:44 <planetmaker> :-O 11:41:47 <planetmaker> damn. yes 11:41:50 <Ammler> :-D 11:42:07 <planetmaker> is bundles already on salieri? 11:42:10 <Ammler> yes 11:42:19 <Ammler> dev and mz is left 11:42:30 <planetmaker> good. so access to downloads will work no matter what 11:42:36 <Ammler> yep 11:43:00 <Ammler> and the devzone/redmine does backup daily so we don't loose much there 11:43:41 <Ammler> since I moved the web, I also transfered the system backup 11:43:46 <planetmaker> well. We shouldn't loose anything ;-) 11:43:57 <Ammler> we won't 11:44:01 <planetmaker> :-) 11:48:23 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Revision 291: Fix: Alignment of maglev trains and wagons (closes #677) @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/291 (by planetmaker) 11:48:23 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Bug #677 (Closed): Alignment of maglev wagons @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/677#change-1839 (by planetmaker) 12:19:36 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Bug #77: town building misalignment @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/77#change-1840 (by planetmaker) 12:21:45 <planetmaker> Ammler: if you care, I'd appreciate, if you could look over the current OpenGFX trunk and see whether it needs some urgent fixes or whether I can tag it tonight 12:22:41 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Revision 292: Change: Update the changelog @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/292 (by planetmaker) 12:22:52 <Ammler> hmm, now I see, why I wasn't able to reproduce those houses in arctic 12:30:14 * planetmaker is off for a bit 13:41:41 <Ammler> mäh 14:16:07 *** Mark has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:04:08 <Brot6> opengfx: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/OpenTTD/opengfx/ initiated. 15:28:03 <planetmaker> Ammler: "being off" doesn't mean the release won't happen. Or you mean the server move? hm... :-( 15:28:14 <planetmaker> I'm a lousy co-owner :-( 15:35:04 <Ammler> he, did you already get a bill? 15:38:12 <planetmaker> they didn't charge my credit card so far... 15:38:31 <Ammler> well, we would get a pdf per mail before 15:38:39 <planetmaker> Not that I recall 15:40:21 <Ammler> IMO, it is ready for 0.2.1 15:45:36 <planetmaker> ok. 15:51:49 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Revision 293: Added tag 0.2.1 for changeset edd9b4ff1fbd @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/293 (by planetmaker) 15:51:49 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - OpenGFX 0.2.1 released @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/news/22 (by planetmaker) 15:55:10 <planetmaker> Release done :-) 15:57:15 <planetmaker> and announced :-) I had already taken the liberty to prepare it and just needed to press the "post" button :-P 15:57:32 <Hirundo> :) congrats 15:57:42 <planetmaker> thx 15:58:19 <planetmaker> This release is really a recommended update, fixing quite severe bugs IMO :-) 15:59:26 <Ammler> planetmaker: shall I copy to bundles? 15:59:41 <planetmaker> yes, please 15:59:53 <planetmaker> I would like to see people update :-) 16:05:15 <Ammler> he, it still builds the grfs for the source bundle 16:05:48 <planetmaker> yes, I know... that's... well... not really needed. But then it makes sure that it works :-) 16:07:03 <Ammler> :-P 16:07:13 <Ammler> bundles published 16:07:23 <planetmaker> ty 16:08:34 <planetmaker> do you put the md5 there, too? 16:08:45 <Ammler> dibe 16:08:48 <Ammler> done* 16:09:27 <Ammler> planetmaker: the bananas part is something I can't :-P 16:09:35 <planetmaker> It's on bananas 16:09:40 <Ammler> supi 16:09:51 <planetmaker> already when I said "release done" ;-) 16:10:29 <planetmaker> I had like 4 browser windows open: 2x tt-forums, 1x devzone news, 1x bananas. And the xterm with 0.2.1 tagged ;-) 16:11:01 <planetmaker> but it's good to have a few hours between doing that and actually pushing "submit" :-) 16:11:41 <Ammler> rpms also build and published... 16:11:49 <planetmaker> supi :-) 16:12:23 <Ammler> http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/openttdcoop/openSUSE_11.2/noarch/ 16:12:39 <Ammler> their mirror system is damn fast :-) 16:13:18 <planetmaker> :-) Good for us 16:15:22 <Ammler> planetmaker: move the existing tickets to 0.2.2 or 0.3? 16:15:51 <planetmaker> depends. 0.2.2 mostly I think. Use your reasoning, though. Maybe house alignments 0.3 16:15:53 <Ammler> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/roadmap 16:15:54 <planetmaker> that's a big job 16:16:21 <Ammler> oh, you already created version 0.2.2 :-) 16:16:42 <planetmaker> :-) I just added the version. But nothing else 16:16:48 <Ammler> btw. isn't #662 done? 16:17:11 <planetmaker> no 16:17:51 <planetmaker> and you might be right. The wagons look in the vertical view way too much apart. That sucks. 16:18:22 <planetmaker> I plan to talk to molace again. He seems quite eager. Or I hope he still is. 16:18:51 <Ammler> hmm, why do you need to change the vertical and horizontal sprites? 16:19:01 <planetmaker> wagons are too short 16:19:03 <Ammler> that can't glitch the tunnels 16:19:28 <planetmaker> at least the gaps look there biggest when they travel straight up the map 16:19:46 <planetmaker> and the glitch still isn't 100% gone. Though it happens less often now 16:19:52 <Ammler> just change / and \ views 16:20:06 <Ammler> and keep the pre 0.2 sprites for the rest? 16:20:08 <planetmaker> so... dunno what to do. Btw, I'm talking about the | view :-) 16:20:29 <planetmaker> and yeah... maybe re-use the older | sprites. 16:20:51 <planetmaker> but that's also quite some time to test these things. At least the way I do. Dunno if there's a faster way. 16:21:02 <Ammler> but it looks like molace not just shortened the wagons, some also changed a bit 16:21:02 <planetmaker> But I have to rebuild the stuff quite often to see how it looks like 16:21:18 <Ammler> like the windows on the maglev pax seems changed. 16:21:52 <planetmaker> yeah. They're not completely different. But IMO his wagons look drawn with a bit more love to the detail and a bit more as one set 16:22:21 <Ammler> so mixing his sprites with pre 0.2 sprites might not be perfect. 16:22:45 <planetmaker> yes. But there's somewhere long version pcx by him, too 16:23:08 <planetmaker> I hope I have them still or they're still in the forums 16:24:30 <Ammler> you could btw. also use my grf i.e. to make tests 16:24:54 <planetmaker> the logic train? or the ba_maglev? indeed 16:24:59 <planetmaker> might compile faster 16:25:02 <Ammler> http://trac.openttdcoop.org/browser/grfdev/opengfx/makemonolevba 16:25:23 <planetmaker> good idea. ty 16:27:48 <planetmaker> anyway... feels good to have a nice Christmas release :-) 16:28:32 <planetmaker> and thx to Rubidium for pointing his finger at the shading sprites which kinda forced this :-) 16:28:35 <Ammler> yeah :-) 16:31:35 <Rubidium> yup, that missing sprite is quite very obvious when using OGFX 16:32:22 <planetmaker> indeed. 16:32:45 <planetmaker> Hehe. Next time give me 48 hours and we can make a bug fix release at the same time or so :-) 16:33:22 <planetmaker> but... it's only nightlies and people have to cope with that 16:34:08 <Rubidium> there already was 24 hours between adding the sprites and actually using them :) 16:34:19 <planetmaker> Yes, I know :-) 16:34:39 <planetmaker> Or at least a bit... well :-) 16:35:38 <planetmaker> I wonder whether OpenGFX should use release branches, too... 16:35:49 <planetmaker> But then I wonder what sense they could make... 16:36:01 <Ammler> he, doesn't it work for 0.7 anymore? 16:36:06 <planetmaker> it does 16:36:12 <Ammler> so why branching? 16:36:56 <planetmaker> well... dunno yet :-) I just wonder whether there might be changes which might not work or which should not (yet) be released 16:37:52 <planetmaker> btw, Rubidium doesn't the sound project in principle also support translations? I just wondered when I looked at it recently. 16:38:07 <planetmaker> I mean in the sense of OpenTTD itself. 16:39:02 <Rubidium> it does, just can't quite be bothered to ask people; still hoping TB finishes WT3 16:39:17 <planetmaker> then we might ask for translations of its description, too. Just like OpenTTD did. Oh, ok... would that solve it? 16:57:14 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenSFX - Revision 68: -Prepare: 0.2.1 @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opensfx/repository/revisions/68 (by Rubidium) 16:57:14 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenSFX - Revision 69: Added tag 0.2.1 for changeset 7f7ffb7d42f3 @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opensfx/repository/revisions/69 (by Rubidium) 17:00:58 *** Beardie has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:01:03 <Beardie> Hello! 17:01:17 <Beardie> O wow been a while since i have been here. 17:01:21 *** Frankr has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:01:25 <Frankr> hello 17:01:28 <Beardie> Hey Frankr 17:01:33 <Beardie> no ones here 17:01:34 <Frankr> :) 17:01:47 <Frankr> planetmaker: are you here? 17:02:06 <Beardie> join /#bros 17:02:09 <Beardie> opps 17:02:14 <Ammler> hehe 17:02:15 <planetmaker> hm, for a bit, yes. I'll have to leave in a few minutes again 17:02:22 <Frankr> kk 17:02:31 <planetmaker> what can I do against you? :-D 17:02:32 <Beardie> Hello Ammler! 17:02:40 <Beardie> Hey planetmaker :) 17:02:45 <Beardie> lol 17:02:45 <Frankr> do you know what a gcc: command not found means 17:02:47 <planetmaker> salut Frankr & Beardie 17:02:50 <Beardie> Frank needs haelp. 17:02:52 <Frankr> hello 17:03:01 <planetmaker> Frankr: yes. gcc is not found (in your search path) 17:03:04 <Frankr> when i type make into the mingw32 system 17:03:14 <Frankr> ok what is that again 17:03:18 <planetmaker> install it and make the path to it know in your environment variables 17:03:27 <Ammler> check the guids 17:03:29 <Ammler> guides 17:03:39 <planetmaker> gcc is a compiler 17:03:59 <Frankr> ok, so it is a mingw32 error 17:04:11 <Frankr> i'll reinstall it 17:04:18 <planetmaker> well... you just didn't select all mingw32 components you need 17:04:33 <planetmaker> just add it. No need for a complete re-install 17:04:50 <Frankr> ok 17:05:13 <planetmaker> long ago that I installed it myself :-) 17:05:22 <Beardie> lol 17:05:26 <Beardie> i had same problem 17:05:34 <Beardie> also frnak you sure it works with Windows 7? 17:05:42 <planetmaker> maybe I should (again) install parallels and then windows in it... or I rather install windows straight away on this machine... 17:05:51 <planetmaker> reserved 50GB for it anyway 17:05:57 <Ammler> planetmaker: please don't :-) 17:06:08 <Ammler> not worth, they can install Linux ;-) 17:06:25 <Frankr> yh beardie 17:06:28 <planetmaker> :-) Not as my default here. I would install it here to install a few windoze only games 17:06:39 <planetmaker> like oblivion or so 17:06:48 <Ammler> on a vm? 17:06:54 <Beardie> HOw be we know this Frankr? 17:06:57 <planetmaker> no. native. Via Bootcamp 17:07:02 <Beardie> How Do* 17:07:19 <Frankr> because everything else works 17:07:23 <Frankr> and why wouldn't it 17:07:32 <Frankr> it was me installing yesterday 17:07:33 <planetmaker> it should 17:07:51 <planetmaker> he's not the first person installing mingw on win7, I recon. 17:09:13 <planetmaker> so, you guys continue WAS now? :-) 17:09:27 <Ammler> beta! 17:09:35 <Frankr> i will do some work from time to time now 17:09:53 <Frankr> the beta will be out next year some time for sure 17:10:55 <Beardie> Yes lol 17:11:00 <Ammler> :-) 17:11:06 <Beardie> but i was aiming to start work after christmas, maybe after new years. 17:11:15 <planetmaker> you might not call it alpha, beta, gamma, but skip to a number-only scheme, too :-) 17:11:26 <Beardie> might do :) 17:11:54 <planetmaker> dunno the reasons anymore, but I guess some version sorting at some disto things. Might be completely irrelevant for you therefor 17:12:18 <planetmaker> but then... it's already well playable, so no reason to talk about beta or so. Just not 1.0 :-) 17:12:33 <Beardie> true 17:12:34 <Beardie> brb 17:18:02 <Brot6> 2cctrainset: nightly compile not needed. (r413) 17:18:02 <Brot6> bros: nightly compile not needed. (r10) 17:18:02 <Brot6> comic-houses: nightly compile not needed. (r68) 17:18:03 <Brot6> firs: nightly compile not needed. (r366) 17:18:03 <Brot6> fish: nightly compile not needed. (r224) 17:18:03 <Brot6> heqs: nightly compile not needed. (r172) 17:18:04 <Brot6> nmts: nightly compile not needed. (r15) 17:18:08 <Brot6> opengfx: update from r289 to r293, starting nightly compile 17:19:26 <Brot6> opengfx: compile done (0 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/opengfx/nightlies/ 17:19:26 <Brot6> opensfx: update from r67 to r69, starting nightly compile 17:20:28 <Brot6> opensfx: compile done (0 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/opensfx/nightlies/ 17:20:28 <Brot6> worldairlineset: nightly compile not needed. (r584) 17:22:00 <planetmaker> congrats for OpenSFX 0.2.1! :-) 17:22:13 *** Frankr has quit IRC 17:23:40 <Beardie> Time for Tea be back later. 17:23:52 *** Beardie has quit IRC 17:27:04 <Ammler> hmm 17:27:13 <Ammler> opensfx doesn't build anymore 17:27:28 <planetmaker> how so? 17:30:37 <Ammler> the source directory in opengfx is called opengfx-0.2.1-source 17:30:54 <Ammler> in sfx: opensfx-0.2.1 (without -source) 17:31:36 <planetmaker> oh... :-( 17:31:44 <Rubidium> yeah, the -source breaks debian packaging 17:32:09 <planetmaker> damn 17:32:26 <planetmaker> or did you change that? 17:32:31 <Ammler> planetmaker: and you still don't mkdir -p in sfx ;-) 17:32:59 <Rubidium> I did manually repackage the sources 17:33:07 *** welshdragon has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:33:14 <planetmaker> hm, more work for me :-) 17:40:33 <planetmaker> I don't understand that. They have exactly the same makefile when it comes to bundle_src 17:40:43 <planetmaker> they = opengfx and opensfx 17:44:12 <planetmaker> installdir mkdir -p changed / fixed 17:45:33 <Ammler> hmm 17:45:37 <Ammler> Rubidium: broke it 17:45:55 <Ammler> Rubidium: does the opengfx source work on the debian system? 17:46:49 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenSFX - Revision 70: Change: Try to create the installtion dir, if it doesn't exist @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opensfx/repository/revisions/70 (by planetmaker) 17:47:01 <Ammler> planetmaker: bundle_src is fine 17:47:08 <planetmaker> ok. ^ 17:47:11 <Ammler> at least it is like opengfx 17:47:14 <planetmaker> good to know :-) 17:47:26 <Ammler> but maybe you we or you need to remove "-source" 17:47:32 <planetmaker> I understood wrongly that it doesn't do its job. 17:47:33 <Ammler> hehe 17:48:04 <Ammler> it is the same in rpm spec 17:48:15 <planetmaker> well... it *could* be done. But I'd like to keep the dir name distinct from the non-source package 17:48:27 <Ammler> there are makros to unpack and cd to the build dir automatically 17:48:49 <Ammler> those do it like <name>-<version> 17:49:06 <Ammler> but in rpm you can manually define those with a parameter. 17:50:03 <planetmaker> Well. If it helps, I can remove the -source from the source bundles. Though I'd have to remove the existing non-source dir, if bundle_src is called 17:50:10 <planetmaker> I usually keep that dir, though 17:50:26 <Rubidium> just make a temporary directory for making the source dir :) 17:50:43 <Rubidium> OpenTTD's make bundle_* does that too 17:51:18 <Ammler> Rubidium: how do you build debian package for opengfx? 17:51:28 <Ammler> don't you use the release source package there? 17:51:42 <planetmaker> hm... I should look again at OpenTTD's system in that respect, I guess. 17:51:49 <Rubidium> I haven't tried making a debian package for opengfx yet 17:51:56 <Rubidium> blathijs has been working on that 17:52:37 <planetmaker> he... He should communicate the needed changes then. Would be nice, if it could be done straight from the source here. 17:53:38 <Rubidium> yup, but he has only succeeded in nforenum and he's working on grfcodec 'now' 17:53:59 <planetmaker> oh... sounds nasty :-) 17:58:44 <Ammler> grfcodec does also need the gcc44 patch: https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/entry/extra/os/rpm/grfcodec/compile.patch 17:59:13 <planetmaker> yes. It also needs *some* fix. grfcodec -d doesn't work for me. The pcx are ill-formed 17:59:26 <planetmaker> their header is corrupted 18:07:22 <Ammler> hmm, no stats available for rpm downloads 18:07:47 <planetmaker> :-( 18:08:06 <planetmaker> for our others there are, yes? 18:08:11 <planetmaker> like bundles/* 18:08:20 <Ammler> yes 18:08:27 <Ammler> well, we could make our own obs 18:08:31 <planetmaker> got a link for me? 18:09:05 <Ammler> http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/openttdcoop/ 18:09:44 <planetmaker> uhm... I meant of our bundles downloads :-) 18:10:26 <Ammler> or http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=opengfx&baseproject=openSUSE%3A11.2 18:10:27 <Webster> Title: Software.openSUSE.org (at software.opensuse.org) 18:10:40 <Ammler> that is in the topic 18:10:57 <Ammler> and bundles.openttdcoop.org/stats 18:11:05 <Ammler> or the google analytics 18:11:41 <planetmaker> holy shit! traffic trippled from Nov -> Dec. 18:12:09 *** Hirundo is now known as holy_shit 18:12:11 <planetmaker> rather quadrupled. 18:12:17 <planetmaker> :-D 18:12:19 <holy_shit> you called me? 18:12:25 <planetmaker> 60GB already... 18:12:34 <planetmaker> yes, of course, Mephisto ;-) 18:12:41 *** holy_shit is now known as Hirundo 18:13:01 <Rubidium> 680 GB already ;) 18:13:15 <planetmaker> for OpenTTD? 18:13:19 <Rubidium> yup 18:14:10 <planetmaker> I wonder... is that OpenGFX 0.2.0 or what caused the big increase... 18:14:17 <Ammler> 60 GB already? oh only 4940GB left then ;-) 18:15:05 <planetmaker> :-P 99% of the traffic is grf download 18:16:38 <Rubidium> http://stats.openttd.org/ <- without especially bananas 18:17:37 <planetmaker> a factor of 10 more :-) 18:17:45 <planetmaker> 45 ... 60% of our traffic are opengfx :-) 18:18:21 *** Frankr has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:18:27 <Frankr> back 18:18:36 <Frankr> thanks planetmaker 18:18:50 <Ammler> wb 18:18:57 <Frankr> dad decided to unplug the modem 18:19:03 <Frankr> and start drilling 18:19:24 <Frankr> lol 18:19:34 <planetmaker> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/download.php <-- though I wonder that it isn't more specific than that link (99.7% traffic for that) 18:20:31 <planetmaker> brb 18:55:13 *** Frankr has quit IRC 19:02:57 *** Frankr has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:04:10 <Brot6> opengfx: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/OpenTTD/opengfx/ initiated. 19:04:26 <Brot6> opensfx: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/OpenTTD/opensfx/ initiated. 19:07:55 <welshdragon> Frankr: you managed to get hold of Beardie yet? 19:08:18 <Frankr> ok 19:08:26 <Frankr> i think i may be able to 19:08:56 <Frankr> his girlfriend is over 19:09:48 <welshdragon> no, i was asking if you got hold of him 19:10:06 <Frankr> for what 19:10:13 <Frankr> i have spoken to him 19:10:26 <welshdragon> seeing as you came on BROS asking for him 19:10:46 <Frankr> oh right yh 19:10:54 <Frankr> he wanted me to join bros 19:11:00 <Frankr> i don't know why 19:11:07 <welshdragon> coding :P 19:11:17 <welshdragon> we have no coder 19:11:23 <Frankr> i am looking at that right now 19:11:28 <welshdragon> and at the moment no active artists 19:11:31 <Frankr> i need to clone a new repo for bro 19:11:39 <Frankr> bros 19:12:02 <Frankr> i have hopefully sorted out my hg/ming and whatnot for my laptop now 19:12:09 <welshdragon> ok 19:12:27 <Frankr> that was my next step, :) 19:12:28 <welshdragon> brb - need to get washing from washing machine + tea 19:12:34 <Frankr> kk 19:44:40 <welshdragon> back now 19:49:14 *** PeterT has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:12:38 *** Zuu has quit IRC 20:35:23 *** Zuu has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:24:00 *** PeterT has quit IRC 21:34:06 <Hirundo> *yay* coded my first python program 21:35:56 <Zuu> Your first experience with programming? 21:37:00 *** Zuu has quit IRC 21:37:13 *** Zuu has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:38:32 <Zuu> Either way, nice that you got started with python programming. :-) 22:24:55 *** PeterT has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 22:25:08 <planetmaker> Zuu: certainly not his first programming experience :-) He re-wrote the IS and created IS2 patch ;-) 22:27:56 <Hirundo> FWIW: the program creates a zip file containing all the diffs from a patch queue 22:28:11 <planetmaker> :-) 22:28:33 <Hirundo> being somewhat related to http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/670 22:29:27 <Zuu> planetmaker: Oh, sory :-) 22:30:06 <Hirundo> I'll publish a (set of) diff(s) after I've done some testing, currently it hasn't been tested beyond the compiler :) 22:30:13 <Ammler> Hirundo: you should make a repo with a patch queue 22:31:12 <planetmaker> Ammler: the plan is to use branches / different heads. 22:31:40 <Ammler> and how is that related ot patch queue? 22:31:42 <Hirundo> Currently I'm working with a patch queue, yes, to keep things clean during solo development 22:32:52 <Hirundo> I don't know (yet) whether I can continue to work with it like that while doing versioned development at the same time 22:33:08 <Hirundo> the idea of 'diffs of diffs' doesn't quite appeal to me 22:34:37 <Zuu> diffs of diffs are quite hard to read. 22:35:34 <planetmaker> well. The purpose of a hg queue is not the diff of diffs. It's the patch queue - which always relates to a repository version 22:35:58 <planetmaker> only if you version the patches themselves. Then a hg diff -r1:2 will give you a diff of a diff 22:36:24 <Ammler> I just mean, it is easier to "backup" a patch queue as a repo than with special tools and zipping and such 22:36:26 <planetmaker> which might make even sense in a certain sense. But doesn't mean that you ever have to read diffs of diffs 22:37:18 <planetmaker> and Hirundo, yes it makes even sense to work with a hg queue in versioned devolopment. 22:39:00 * Hirundo googles 22:39:27 *** PeterT has quit IRC 22:41:09 * planetmaker provides bookmarks: http://hgbook.red-bean.com/read/managing-change-with-mercurial-queues.html 22:41:19 <planetmaker> ^ Hirundo 22:41:19 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 22:41:42 <Hirundo> guess what I was reading :D 22:42:04 <Rubidium> this channel? 22:42:18 <Ammler> maybe the biggest advantage to git :-) 22:42:55 <Rubidium> git has queues too 22:42:56 *** welshdragon has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 22:43:36 <planetmaker> http://paste.openttd.org/220730 <-- my patch queue update script. Kinda. 22:43:48 <planetmaker> git sux on windows ;-) 22:45:55 <Ammler> is there on TortoiseGit? 22:45:59 <Ammler> no* 22:48:17 <Zuu> pm: isn't that primarly because NTFS sucks on *many* small files compared to ext3 etc.? 22:48:45 <planetmaker> Zuu: don't really know :-) Might be 22:49:03 <Zuu> Someone told me that, but I don't know for sure. 22:49:11 <planetmaker> But it was the conclusion of a few comparisons I read not too long ago. 22:49:22 <planetmaker> and I don't recall all the details 22:50:08 *** Mark has quit IRC 22:50:31 <Hirundo> goodnight folks 22:50:56 <planetmaker> night, Hirundo 22:51:07 <Zuu> An initial checkout/copy of cargodist took me about 10 minutes on a 7500rpm disk with NTFS. 22:51:29 <Zuu> Havn't tried to do it in Linux so I don't know how much faster that would be. 22:51:57 <planetmaker> hm... 10 minutes is long. But I'd guess it's bandwidth limited rather than HDD speed limited. 22:51:59 <Rubidium> yeah, git is notourious for being written for Linux file systems and the Windows file systems can't handle it 22:52:37 <Zuu> Your best bet is probably if the ext2 driver for windows supports writing mode. 22:52:50 <planetmaker> hm... doesn't it yet do? 22:55:04 <Zuu> I think so, but I has not able to test it. 22:55:16 <Zuu> My Linux systems use the murder-fs :-) 22:57:03 <Zuu> Annother anyance with Windows is that it only supports the first partion on external disks. I didn't have a disk where I could create an ext partion at the front to test when I tried some months ago. 22:57:21 <planetmaker> eh? 22:57:44 <planetmaker> I cannot confirm that. My HDs always have more... 22:58:18 <Zuu> If you have an external 2.5 inch disk using USB (and probably also firewire) or just a random usb disk then it only sees the first partion. 22:58:59 <Zuu> Or maybe it sees the later ones in the disk view, but you can only assign drive letters for the first one. 22:59:24 <planetmaker> uhm... no? 22:59:39 <planetmaker> both partitions get their drive letter on my computers 22:59:47 <planetmaker> here and at work... 22:59:48 <Zuu> At least in XP, maybe they improved it in later versions. 22:59:52 <planetmaker> XP 23:00:01 <Zuu> Are they internal or external? 23:00:15 <planetmaker> well. My backup HD. It's external USB 23:00:52 <Zuu> Hm, interesting. Then I might recall wrong or understood it wrong. 23:00:53 <planetmaker> also, for that matter, my USB stick. Which somehow has two. 23:01:18 <planetmaker> one with a kinda useless collection of tools, though which I should delete somewhen 23:04:43 <Zuu> Oh, it is Christmas :-) 23:04:51 <Zuu> (at least in CET) 23:05:12 <Zuu> Good night 23:05:30 <planetmaker> good night also from here and have a nice Christmas! 23:05:45 <Rubidium> planetmaker: thanks :) 23:13:13 *** Zuu has quit IRC 23:27:25 *** ODM has quit IRC 23:27:31 *** PeterT has joined #openttdcoop.devzone