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00:06:08 *** Zuu has quit IRC 00:32:29 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 00:32:51 *** welshdragon has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 00:37:00 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 00:37:14 *** welshdragon has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 00:42:35 *** Madis has quit IRC 00:55:08 *** KenjiE20|LT has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 00:55:27 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 02:09:57 *** welshdragon is now known as welsh 02:11:00 *** welsh is now known as welshdragon 02:27:05 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 02:34:10 *** KenjiE20|LT has quit IRC 03:14:50 *** PeterT has quit IRC 03:37:35 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 05:45:18 *** welshdragon has left #openttdcoop.devzone 05:45:45 *** welshdragon has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:32:11 <Rubidium> thanks planetmaker 07:38:17 *** Madis has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:44:11 *** Madis has quit IRC 08:19:08 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:22:26 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: 2cc train set - Bug #707 (New): "DB Class 103" train has 0 cost <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/707> 08:29:46 *** Madis has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:55:55 *** Chris_Booth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:59:02 *** PeterT has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:03:44 *** PeterT has quit IRC 11:45:00 *** Chris_Booth has quit IRC 11:50:58 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: 2cc train set - Bug #707 (Confirmed): "DB Class 103" train has 0 cost <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/707#change-1880" target="_blank">http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/707#change-1880> || 2cc train set - Bug #707 (Confirmed): "DB Class 103" train has 0 cost <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/707> 12:03:03 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:03:08 *** Madis has quit IRC 12:07:00 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: 2cc train set - Bug #707 (Closed): "DB Class 103" train has 0 cost <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/707#change-1881" target="_blank">http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/707#change-1881> || 2cc train set - Revision 425: Fix: #707, lacked a line of calculations in the spreadsheet, added ... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/425> || 2cc train set - Bug #707 (Closed): "DB Class 103" train has 0 cost <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/707> || Redmine - Revision 3127: Adds new Rails strings. <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/3127> || Redmine - Revision 3126: Avatars added in news (#3941) and forums (#4468) + cleanup. <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/3126> || Redmine - Revision 3125: Fixed: issue summary counts should link to the issue list without subpro... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/3125> || Redmine - Revision 3124: Fixed: 'Delete' link on LDAP list has no effect (#4530). <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/3124> || 2cc train set - Revision 424: Fix: More fixes to the freight template <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/424> 12:11:42 *** Chris_Booth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:14:30 <Ammler> since we moved the blog away, the server seems to work fine... 12:15:12 <Rubidium> bad blog 12:22:15 <Ammler> anyway, a "bad" blog shouldn't be able to crash a whole server 12:22:18 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: MiniGRFs - Revision 0: [Basecosts] Add draft <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/minigrfs/repository/revisions/0> 12:24:02 <Ammler> I guess, time to create another nothing grf :-) 13:10:26 *** Madis has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:19:44 *** roboboy has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:21:40 <roboboy> is the patch available on the site for IS2.1.1 the most current version of IS2 that is compatible with IS2.1.1 or is there new code in the hg repo that is newer but compatible? 13:22:16 <planetmaker> maybe. maybe not. There's a daily patch. 13:22:25 <planetmaker> and if the versions differ, they're incompatible. 13:22:39 <DJNekkid> howdy planetmaker :) 13:22:43 <planetmaker> even if it's only a lower case / upper case distinction 13:22:47 <planetmaker> hello DJNekkid :-) 13:23:07 <roboboy> ok 13:23:19 <roboboy> thanx 13:23:49 <Ammler> roboboy: might be easier to apply your patch to the 2.1.1 source 13:27:06 <Hirundo> BTW currently the repo may be slightly broken since I'm struggling with getting my hooks to work correctly 13:27:08 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: 2cc train set - Revision 426: Add: Livestock cargo to the boxcar (its even default) <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/426> || MiniGRFs - Revision 1: [Nothing] Add testcase for Action9 and ActionB bug <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/minigrfs/repository/revisions/1> 13:27:48 <roboboy> ok 13:54:21 <DJNekkid> still there planetmaker ? 13:55:07 <planetmaker> hm, yes 13:55:32 <DJNekkid> is it possible to add a "pause" after nforenum and before grfcodec? 13:56:02 <planetmaker> yes. But why? 13:56:33 <DJNekkid> so i dont have to scroll up every time... 13:56:52 <planetmaker> pipe it into a log file :-) And keep that open and just reload that :-) 13:57:15 <DJNekkid> oki, so how do i do that? :) 13:57:27 <DJNekkid> :p 13:58:57 <planetmaker> make 1>makefile.log 2>errors.log 13:59:21 <DJNekkid> "make remake install 1>makefile.log 2>errors.log" would also work? 13:59:24 <planetmaker> which will give you those two files you can also view from the compile farm 13:59:36 <planetmaker> it should to my knowledge, yes 14:00:12 <DJNekkid> oki :) 14:00:26 <DJNekkid> nice thing about pspad :) 14:00:38 <DJNekkid> it autorefreshes (i needs to awsner yes tho) updated files 14:01:32 <DJNekkid> works like a charm! Thanx 14:01:43 <planetmaker> you could also just use one file: make > makefile.log 2>&1 14:01:54 <planetmaker> then there's no need for two files 14:02:11 <planetmaker> you're welcome :-) 14:02:16 <DJNekkid> that is probably even better... 14:03:01 <DJNekkid> and btw ... 14:03:10 <DJNekkid> that wagon-system of mine, god damn how nice it is :P 14:03:57 <planetmaker> :-) 14:04:08 <DJNekkid> the only think we now lack is a class system in the spreadsheet 14:04:15 <planetmaker> Sorry that I still didn't get around to properly review it. 14:04:41 <DJNekkid> the flatbed is SOMEHOW really bugged, and i am not sure whatsoever why, but the others i've added works like a dream! 14:04:49 <planetmaker> but I'm sure it's mostly fine. If something chokes up... it's a VCS after all :-) 14:06:32 <DJNekkid> the flatbed _somehow_ articulates to 100 parts that can take pax, and one piece that takes steel (or whatever) 14:06:53 <DJNekkid> did you review the speed-thing i've made as well? 14:06:57 <DJNekkid> on the wagons 14:08:34 <Ammler> DJNekkid: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/home/repository/entry/grfs/compile.sh#L25 14:09:40 <DJNekkid> Ammler ? 14:10:23 <Ammler> the script used from the devzone 14:12:50 <DJNekkid> to compile the 2cc set? 14:15:20 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: 2cc train set - Revision 427: Add: Hopper (long) <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/427> || MiniGRFs - Revision 2: [BaseCosts] Workaround FS#3500 <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/minigrfs/repository/revisions/2> 14:19:07 <Ammler> DJNekkid: to compile all nightly grfs on the devzone 14:19:17 <DJNekkid> oki... 14:19:34 <DJNekkid> im probably stupid here, but why do i need to see that file? :) 14:20:30 <Ammler> nvm then :-P 14:20:41 <DJNekkid> hehe 14:21:02 <planetmaker> Ammler: that's where I looked how it works :-P 14:21:17 <planetmaker> I never remember the proper re-direction of the standard and error outputs :-P 14:23:49 <Ammler> planetmaker: you are parameter expert now, could you check my nothing grf 14:23:58 <Ammler> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/3500 14:24:21 <Ammler> is the ActionB part a bug? 14:24:35 <Ammler> or DJNekkid ^ 14:25:14 <DJNekkid> i have little or no experience with parameters... 14:25:50 <DJNekkid> i more or less hate them :) 14:27:52 <planetmaker> Ammler: you don't want to use action9 (disable the whole grf), but still print your actionB. Thuse use action7 14:27:59 <planetmaker> or do I err? 14:29:26 <planetmaker> "If in doubt, use action 7 except to skip an action 6 or F. " 14:30:17 <Chris_Booth> hello all 14:31:06 <Ammler> planetmaker: you can't use Action7 there 14:31:32 <planetmaker> why? 14:31:37 <planetmaker> hi Chris_Booth 14:31:37 <Ammler> it needs to recalc while changing something ingame 14:32:00 <Ammler> but I asked you about ActionB 14:32:22 <Ammler> the Action9 part is for sure a bug 14:34:14 <Chris_Booth> how was everyones new years? 14:34:38 <DJNekkid> the party was nice, but i've been ill this week... 14:34:50 <Ammler> DJNekkid: because of the party :-P 14:35:11 <DJNekkid> i doubt it... 14:35:15 <Ammler> :-) 14:35:27 <DJNekkid> i did party on saturday as well... 14:38:00 <planetmaker> Ammler: you tell in your action9 to skip the whole newgrf. Oh well. That's what it does. ActionB is not carried out anymore, if skipped 14:38:32 <Ammler> planetmaker: it only skippes if no param set 14:38:38 <planetmaker> yes 14:38:40 <Ammler> you might also check the screens 14:39:25 <Ammler> but if ActionB is executed, it has a strange value there 14:39:55 <Ammler> shouldn't it output the value you set as parameter? 14:41:01 <Ammler> btw. I worked around that and released the new BaseCosts grf 14:43:40 <planetmaker> Ammler: I see the point that action9 should not disable a newgrf. The wiki doesn't tell it should. That's action B's domain 14:44:29 <Ammler> planetmaker: it should only disable if Action8 is skipped 14:44:43 <Chris_Booth> how do you make your own AI? anyone here know as i want to make my own AI 14:44:45 <planetmaker> well... yes. 14:45:05 <Ammler> Chris_Booth: there aren't any ai devs here, I fear. 14:45:28 <Chris_Booth> i will try in #openttd 14:45:53 <Ammler> Chris_Booth: a coop ai might be nice 14:46:10 <Chris_Booth> i think a coop AI might be hard to make 14:46:50 <Ammler> well, I meant more a AI which builds like we do 14:47:09 <roboboy> I would think it would have to be the first company and everyone would have to join it? 14:47:31 <Ammler> roboboy: sadly you can't 14:49:16 <roboboy> ok 14:50:14 <Chris_Booth> it looks prity simple to make they are written in squirrel 14:50:42 <planetmaker> haha :-) simple and AI. 15:01:29 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: MiniGRFs - basecosts.grf <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/540/basecosts.grf> 15:01:56 <planetmaker> Chris_Booth: honestly I'd recommend to start building on one of the existing AIs and try to improve its logic 15:02:45 <planetmaker> There are many AIs which start up with grand intentions... and end up... well. Working but without really advanced logic. 15:02:47 <Ammler> well, if it is simple, why use another? 15:02:55 <planetmaker> :-D 15:03:09 <planetmaker> It's as simple as making wwottdgd/3 :-D 15:03:30 <Chris_Booth> planetmaker: that is still on its way 15:03:43 <Ammler> Chris_Booth: release often ;-) 15:03:56 <planetmaker> indeed 15:04:06 <Chris_Booth> i will release on monday then when i get home 15:04:17 <Chris_Booth> and we can get updates every week after then 15:04:22 <planetmaker> the mb approach is... quite vapour-like ;-) 15:04:56 <planetmaker> I even have more faith into the CanSet 15:05:19 <Chris_Booth> the mb approach? 15:06:28 <DJNekkid> now why the hell does that bug happen! 15:07:03 <Chris_Booth> planetmaker: what is the MB approach? 15:09:10 <roboboy> The Michael Blunk approach? 15:09:30 <Chris_Booth> yeah i know who MB is but what is his approach? 15:09:32 <DJNekkid> talk about his set(s), but they NEVER hit the streets 15:09:34 <Chris_Booth> is it slower than mine? 15:09:40 <DJNekkid> read: dbxl 0.9 15:09:41 <Ammler> release when perfect :-) 15:10:15 <Chris_Booth> well the idea of wwottdgd isnt for it to be perfect but functional 15:10:36 <Ammler> well, IMO can do that, as he is simple a genius with newgrfs 15:10:42 <Ammler> MB* 15:11:02 <DJNekkid> well, didnt he more or less invent the shit? 15:11:48 <Chris_Booth> i think i will stick with the 2 prject i have gone ATM rather than making a massiv AI 15:12:28 <Ammler> 2? 15:12:41 <Chris_Booth> BROS and WWOTTDGD 15:12:50 <Ammler> oh, you code for BROS? 15:12:56 <Chris_Booth> no i am drawing 15:13:13 <Chris_Booth> not sure who is writing the code 15:13:16 <DJNekkid> i plan to code BROS ... when i get the time :) 15:13:28 <Ammler> I miss the commits there 15:14:12 <Chris_Booth> the pace a slowed to a snails crawl as we have so many sprite to still draw and paint 15:16:24 <Ammler> and you don't commit the sprites? 15:16:26 <DJNekkid> when im done with the 2cc set will i start the dutch set 15:16:41 <DJNekkid> and the BRO'set will be pretty much the same as the dutch set 15:17:28 <Ammler> DJNekkid: (& planetmaker (& andy) you should also try to make a generic newgrf makefile framework 15:17:32 <Chris_Booth> BROS is much bigger than the dutch set 15:17:45 <DJNekkid> thats not the point, the codebase will be the same 15:17:59 <planetmaker> Ammler: ? You mean not like the one currently online? 15:18:09 <Ammler> with all the templates 15:18:14 <planetmaker> Ah, yes 15:18:15 <Ammler> from 2cc and firs and.... 15:18:32 <planetmaker> But the problem with templates is: they're templates but they're not really 100% generic. 15:18:53 <Ammler> ic 15:18:55 <planetmaker> It's not dead easy to re-use them outside that project they're made for - unless you copy the project structure quite verbatim 15:19:00 <Chris_Booth> what would be nice is a tool to make you code for you with train GRFs 15:19:13 <planetmaker> which, of course is possible. Especially for different train sets. 15:19:20 <DJNekkid> planetmaker: when i get to the dutch set it actually will be, i think 15:19:22 <planetmaker> But... they're tailored for a task anyway 15:19:37 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: I actually think of adding m4 macros to make some things easier 15:19:47 <Ammler> you should somehow split the logic and data 15:19:50 <DJNekkid> the wagon grf gave me quite some ideas on how to do stuff 15:20:01 <planetmaker> it has way more possibilities to template things than just the gcc pre-processor 15:20:26 <Ammler> planetmaker: maybe also worth to think about python or something like 15:20:28 <planetmaker> but... yes. The current templates work so far like a charm 15:20:41 <planetmaker> Ammler: well... I don't know python or something like that :-P 15:20:55 <Ammler> you didn't know gcc as well :-P 15:21:05 <planetmaker> :-P Nor m4 15:21:08 <Ammler> :-D 15:21:39 <Ammler> I just guess, it would be a bit easier with python than with all those gcc hacks... 15:22:13 <Ammler> you are slowly going a bit too far with it 15:22:39 <planetmaker> yes. That's my feeling, too 15:22:49 <planetmaker> it makes things un-understandable 15:23:21 <Ammler> for me, the train is gone, can't catch it anymore 15:24:21 <Ammler> so you either make the templates generic, so I could use them without knowing what happens 15:24:24 <planetmaker> well... the current newgrf makefile example is not THAT bad. 15:24:34 <Ammler> or well, in a easier language :-) 15:24:50 <planetmaker> and the templates in 2cctrainset and FIRS are quite readable, too IMO 15:24:57 <planetmaker> but it approaches a border right now 15:25:08 <planetmaker> they just use defines so far. 15:25:26 <planetmaker> to name 0D FE as ID_STRG_ICE3 15:25:31 <planetmaker> which is far more readable IMO 15:25:47 <Ammler> yes, of course 15:27:26 <DJNekkid> this is getting wierder and wierder... 15:29:57 <DJNekkid> hmm, it seems it might have something do to with tropical wood 15:30:14 <planetmaker> hm... I could probably also use python. 15:30:22 <planetmaker> Any person using hg will have it anyway 15:30:35 <DJNekkid> i have to learn YAPL ? 15:31:16 <planetmaker> YAPL? yet another pre-processor language? :-) 15:31:39 <DJNekkid> i were thinking programming, but fits better :) 15:31:48 <planetmaker> well... I think that the gcc pre-processor hits its limits. 15:31:59 <planetmaker> you cannot do calculations well and iterate over stuff. 15:32:12 <DJNekkid> like, it can't add? (or multiply for that matter) 15:32:27 <planetmaker> like have the script assign the running costs just on a relative train value and a global running cost value 15:32:42 <Ammler> I need a easy tool to urlencode strings 15:32:43 <planetmaker> yes, like that 15:32:44 <DJNekkid> so, no more excel? :( 15:33:15 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: well :-) I still would like an overview which could work w/o copy&paste 15:33:17 <Ammler> you should still be able to use excel, you can read the txt file with it 15:33:45 <planetmaker> copy&paste can produce errors. And yes, I see the value which it has for 2cctrainset. 15:33:55 <planetmaker> I don't want to throw that away. That's the difficult thing 15:34:28 <DJNekkid> i'll make you a deal... 15:34:42 <DJNekkid> when they can assign a "high byte" running cost, then we can move from excel :P 15:34:57 <planetmaker> I can do that :-D 15:35:04 <planetmaker> deal 15:35:21 <DJNekkid> because, some values have a 255 max 15:35:22 <planetmaker> But don't expect this deal to be done on my part before next Christmas :-P 15:35:39 <DJNekkid> i dont see the high byte running cost done before thta either... 15:35:46 <planetmaker> So... don't worry... hehe 15:36:03 <DJNekkid> because, some values need to be close to its max... 15:36:47 <DJNekkid> and that would be impossible to see within a txt-file 15:37:36 <planetmaker> you know... I still like input lists like I have for the comic houses or like FIRS now has for the cargo definitions 15:38:17 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/entry/sprites/nfo/cargo_schemes.list 15:39:06 <planetmaker> If you edit that file, the cargo payments change. No copy&paste needed. 15:39:22 <planetmaker> And you could in principle just use excel as an editor for that. 15:40:06 <planetmaker> And you add another cargo payment scheme by just adding those lines another time with a different scheme name 15:42:10 <Ammler> and if you change something, you keep history :-) 15:44:07 <planetmaker> that's the point important IMO 15:45:16 <planetmaker> and the point I dislike excel about: it's binary and doesn't show the changes made. Just that _a_ change was made, not which 15:46:25 <Ammler> and because it is binary, you can't sed/awk or whatever it 15:50:14 <planetmaker> hm, ok, let's rather use python than m4 :-) 15:52:22 <DJNekkid> does anyone of you play any flashgames occationally? especially, tower defence games? 15:52:38 <Ammler> planetmaker: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/minigrfs <-- you might want to add your snow thing? 15:53:01 <planetmaker> yes, indeed. Though it's already 160 sprites :-) 15:53:10 <Ammler> pcx? 15:53:14 <planetmaker> none 15:53:19 <planetmaker> so far at least 15:53:32 <planetmaker> There's the vague plan to include some, though 15:54:00 <Ammler> you plan temperate in arctic? 15:54:00 <planetmaker> I rather thought of making a separate repo. Well... I did. I just didn't push 15:54:07 <planetmaker> like that for example 15:54:25 <planetmaker> and / or adding smooth snow transition. 15:54:39 <Ammler> well, the repo is done, I will slowly migrate the svn projects 15:55:48 <planetmaker> well. I have, of course, thrown my whole makefile stuff at it. 15:56:12 <Ammler> as said, I lost the makefile stuff :-) 15:56:40 <planetmaker> :-( The makefile didn't really change 15:56:44 <planetmaker> for a year or so 15:57:38 <planetmaker> the only thing it needs changing is the grfID and stuff moved to the source itself IMO. And not in the makefile. 15:57:50 <planetmaker> I want to get rid of those grf-specific things from the makefile 15:58:04 <planetmaker> ID, name, title 15:58:20 <Ammler> it should be possible to run something like "make basecosts.grf" 15:58:22 <planetmaker> that should be handled by the build script via define in the source files 15:58:37 <planetmaker> well. that is possible for any of my makefiles 15:59:15 <Ammler> currently I copy a exiting bash script, change the header and my framework is ready. 15:59:45 <planetmaker> well. I do the same. I change the makefile.config and my framework is ready 15:59:51 <Ammler> :-) 16:00:12 <planetmaker> all I need is a pnfo file - that which i specified in the config 16:00:37 <Ammler> yes, but isn't the makefile for a single grf only? 16:00:44 <planetmaker> yes, of course 16:01:00 <planetmaker> as is yours. 16:01:07 <Ammler> that is what I meant with "make *.grf" 16:01:39 <planetmaker> Yes, I understand. That's currently not possible 16:01:48 <planetmaker> But isn't for yours either 16:02:22 <Ammler> true 16:02:22 <planetmaker> It is possible. With some changes, though 16:03:16 <planetmaker> well. *.grf will never be possible w/o custom-taylored newgrf 16:03:30 <planetmaker> but it could be possible to make grf1 grf2 grf3 16:03:36 <Ammler> I thought it is a bit silly to use the makefile template for my <10 sprites nfo :-) 16:03:59 <planetmaker> it's not. I have license, bundle etc all included which you don't. 16:04:11 <Ammler> which I won't 16:04:31 <planetmaker> therefor I won't add the snowline to the minigrfs :-) 16:04:37 <planetmaker> Different concept :-P 16:04:39 <Ammler> well 16:04:44 <planetmaker> also it breaks versioning 16:05:08 <planetmaker> if you'd modify one other newgrf, the revision of all other newgrfs would change 16:05:10 <Ammler> minigrfs is meant for 1sprites hacks 16:05:40 <Ammler> planetmaker: of course, that is how svn.openttd.org works 16:05:49 <Ammler> or all other onerepo projects 16:06:10 <planetmaker> well. OpenTTD uses branches. 16:06:15 <Ammler> but thanks to make depend, it wouldn't build such things 16:06:17 <planetmaker> You'd need to do that there then, too 16:06:20 <DJNekkid> planetmaker: i keep getting: 16:06:21 <DJNekkid> sprites/nfo/wagons/../../../templates/wagon_freight.tnfo:651:32: warning: no newline at end of file 16:06:23 <Ammler> yes, me to 16:06:25 <DJNekkid> but there IS a newline 16:06:28 <DJNekkid> any idea? 16:06:36 <Ammler> I use different branches (folders) 16:06:40 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: sure there's an empty line in the end? 16:06:59 <Ammler> planetmaker: you know, svn has no "real" branch or tag support? 16:07:07 <DJNekkid> yes 16:07:17 <DJNekkid> but the line-number dont seem to be correct... 16:07:59 <planetmaker> let me pull 16:08:09 <DJNekkid> then i need to push first 16:08:21 <planetmaker> nah, don't. Give me the diff 16:08:36 <planetmaker> that's what hg diff and patch are for 16:08:38 <Ammler> and for example, the openttd.org tags are also branches :-) 16:08:45 <planetmaker> Ammler: yes, I know 16:09:12 <Ammler> (quite ugly, if you like to import openttd.org to mercurial) 16:09:13 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: ^ 16:09:22 <planetmaker> don't commit, upload diff 16:09:27 <Ammler> :-) 16:09:45 <DJNekkid> hg diff <what> ? :P 16:09:57 <Ammler> hg diff > patch.diff 16:10:29 <planetmaker> oh oh... Processing file "sprites/2cctrainset.nfo". 16:10:31 <planetmaker> Warning on sprite 1333 (level 2). 16:10:33 <planetmaker> A portion of sprite 3563 could not be processed. 16:10:34 <planetmaker> A portion of sprite 4360 could not be processed. 16:10:36 <planetmaker> Unexpected EOF: Unused CargoIDs detected for feature 0. 16:11:17 <DJNekkid> sendt on tt-forums 16:11:46 <planetmaker> eh... ok. I expected a devzone link :-) 16:11:57 <DJNekkid> same shit, different wrapping 16:12:08 <planetmaker> I got no new message, though 16:12:16 <DJNekkid> try now 16:12:17 <planetmaker> ah, now 16:16:18 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: that patch is not wrt r427 16:16:22 <planetmaker> it doesn't apply here 16:16:52 <DJNekkid> hg tip show 427 16:17:22 <planetmaker> and hg parent? 16:17:30 <Ammler> :-o redirect to us.binaries.openttd.org 16:17:36 <DJNekkid> 427 16:17:49 <DJNekkid> hg tip, and hg parent show the EXACT same screen 16:17:56 <planetmaker> ok... 16:18:25 <Ammler> quite slow 16:18:45 <Ammler> (compared to nous) 16:19:04 <DJNekkid> shal i commit and push? :P 16:19:37 <planetmaker> that's peculiar... the hash is the same. So we should have the same version... 16:19:49 <DJNekkid> WTF? Mitzi Kapture also were in baywatch? :D nice! 16:20:02 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: how did you get that diff? 16:20:06 <DJNekkid> (if anyone remember the 90's series "Silk") 16:20:07 <planetmaker> hg diff > patch.diff 16:20:11 <planetmaker> and then just uploaded? 16:20:19 <DJNekkid> yes? 16:20:29 <planetmaker> I'm honestly puzzled... 16:21:16 <Ammler> DJNekkid: not really famous 16:21:41 <DJNekkid> i guess not, but i loved that show when i were a teen, and that female detective were totally hot :D 16:21:55 <DJNekkid> and now there are some baywatch reruns, and i saw her name in the intro :D 16:22:31 <Ammler> there isn't a German Wikipedia entry about her 16:22:57 <DJNekkid> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitzi_Kapture 16:22:58 <planetmaker> ... why the hell does this patch not apply?!! 16:22:59 <Webster> Title: Mitzi Kapture - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org) 16:23:53 <Ammler> planetmaker: DJNekkid, you need to compare parent mybe that differs 16:24:02 <DJNekkid> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Beach-Duo 16:24:16 <planetmaker> Ammler: the hash of his diff is my parent's hash 16:24:25 <planetmaker> so it *should* be the same 16:24:26 <Ammler> ah, fine then 16:24:47 <DJNekkid> "my hash is my parents hash" ... hash = a drug in norwegian 16:24:55 <DJNekkid> kinda like weed ... 16:24:56 <planetmaker> here, too :-P 16:25:08 <planetmaker> just add a 'c' between s and h 16:25:15 <Ammler> DJNekkid: isn't it weed? 16:25:18 <planetmaker> yes 16:25:33 <DJNekkid> actually, i think its "hasj", but if i norwenglify it, it should be hash :) 16:25:54 <Ammler> or is it the weed which looks like chocolate? 16:25:59 <planetmaker> well... commit and I'll see :-P 16:26:06 <DJNekkid> Ammler: no, weed = marioana (or something), and hasj is ... as you say, more chocklate like 16:26:47 <planetmaker> hm... weed isn't that which you put into joints and into cookies? 16:26:54 <Ammler> I am no specialist in that topic, but I think, it is the same here 16:26:59 <planetmaker> ^ 16:27:04 <DJNekkid> weed is more tobaccolike... 16:27:13 <DJNekkid> in form 16:27:20 <Ammler> yes, but both comes from the same 16:27:39 <DJNekkid> while hasj is some kind of oil from the same plant, but is more compressed and got a different form for the end user... 16:27:57 <Ammler> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashish 16:27:58 <Webster> Title: Hashish - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org) 16:28:49 <Ammler> the compressed thing, you import mostly from holland and weed, you have in your garden. 16:29:00 <DJNekkid> yup... 16:29:01 <DJNekkid> :) 16:29:16 <DJNekkid> well, atleast, in norway, its been quite "popular" to have weed-farms 16:29:23 <Ammler> same here 16:29:31 <DJNekkid> last year i think the police uncovered about 50 of thoose... 16:29:53 <DJNekkid> more or less automaticly watered and with artificial light etc... 16:29:54 <Ammler> I always thought, we are after holland the most weed smokers 16:30:34 <DJNekkid> tbh, i think most of europe does pretty much same ammounts, while holland are abit above... 16:30:42 <Ammler> personally, I did that only in the army 16:31:23 <DJNekkid> lol 16:31:27 <Ammler> if we had lack of alcohol 16:31:45 <planetmaker> do I need to be concerned if I didn't try so far? :-D 16:32:10 <DJNekkid> i were in "trøndelag" when i were in the army ... the part of norway where moonshine outsells legal alcohol... 16:32:14 <Ammler> I am one of a few in my family/friends circle 16:32:14 <DJNekkid> so THAT were never a problem 16:33:35 <Ammler> well, it was forbidden to use alcohol while "working" in the army, so you had always to smuggle it 16:33:37 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: 2cc train set - Revision 428: What is the bug thingy? <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/428> 16:34:22 <Ammler> and it was easier to smuggle hash than bottles 16:34:45 <DJNekkid> i've tried a couple of times, but i can never get the hang of smokeing... 16:34:49 <Ammler> I mostly used coke to smuggle it, half whiskey, half coke 16:34:55 <planetmaker> The FreeCol project has some truely stunning graphics. 16:35:38 <Ammler> tanks? 16:36:19 <planetmaker> uhm... colonization. Not civilization :-) 16:36:37 <DJNekkid> did you pull btw planetmaker? :P 16:37:04 <planetmaker> no :-P 16:37:18 <planetmaker> fantastic... error 500 16:38:51 <planetmaker> In file included from <stdin>:8: 16:38:53 <planetmaker> sprites/nfo/wagons.pnfo:19:32: error: wagons/silolong.pnfo: No such file or directory 16:38:54 <planetmaker> [NFORENUM] sprites/2cctrainset.nfo 16:38:56 <planetmaker> NFORenum v3.4.6 r2281 - Copyright 2004-2009 Dale McCoy. 16:38:57 <planetmaker> Processing file "sprites/2cctrainset.nfo". 16:38:59 <planetmaker> A portion of sprite 3529 could not be processed. 16:39:00 <planetmaker> A portion of sprite 4326 could not be processed. 16:39:02 <planetmaker> ^ my output. 16:39:03 <planetmaker> missed a file? 16:39:10 <DJNekkid> yea, probably 16:39:52 <DJNekkid> now i cant push 16:40:00 <DJNekkid> "server unexpectedly closed the connection" 16:40:59 <DJNekkid> there 16:41:00 <DJNekkid> online 16:41:03 <DJNekkid> (pushed) 16:49:55 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: 2cc train set - Revision 429: add: silo <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/429> 16:55:38 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: just one thing: if you add other files than 2cctrainset.pnfo which use #include <file>, the detection whether something changes breaks for the current makefile. 16:56:04 <planetmaker> e.g. changes of files included that way are not detected. AFAIK 16:56:06 <DJNekkid> why i always use remake... 16:56:48 <planetmaker> 2cctrainset.grf:1314: Warning: 8 of 192 pixels (4%) are pure white 16:56:50 <planetmaker> 2cctrainset.grf:1315: Warning: 22 of 396 pixels (5%) are pure white 16:56:52 <planetmaker> 2cctrainset.grf:1316: Warning: 32 of 448 pixels (7%) are pure white 16:56:53 <planetmaker> 2cctrainset.grf:1317: Warning: 22 of 396 pixels (5%) are pure white 16:56:55 <planetmaker> 2cctrainset.grf:1318: Warning: 8 of 192 pixels (4%) are pure white 16:56:56 <planetmaker> 2cctrainset.grf:1319: Warning: 22 of 396 pixels (5%) are pure white 16:56:58 <planetmaker> 2cctrainset.grf:1320: Warning: 32 of 448 pixels (7%) are pure white 16:56:59 <planetmaker> 2cctrainset.grf:1321: Warning: 22 of 396 pixels (5%) are pure white 16:57:03 <DJNekkid> i noticed that too, but that is the least of my problems right now :) 16:57:25 <Rubidium> hmm, planetmaker suggest a setting for grfcodec to make that warning fatal? 16:57:32 <Rubidium> then always set it :) 16:57:39 <planetmaker> hehe :-) 16:58:03 <Ammler> DJNekkid: remake is buggy, use make clean && make instead 16:59:16 <Ammler> well, not buggy, but 17:00:14 <DJNekkid> but? 17:00:34 *** Chris_Booth has quit IRC 17:01:11 <Ammler> it doesn't do the dependency check the 2nd time 17:01:27 <Ammler> so files are aournd, it removes them 17:01:44 <Ammler> then it builds and still thinks the files are around 17:07:48 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:08:02 <DJNekkid> omg! 17:08:09 <DJNekkid> there are some "amazing race" on TV ... 17:08:26 <DJNekkid> and one of the african-american famlies are "black family" 17:09:20 <DJNekkid> in fact, the only such 17:11:47 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: and where do you now get that message that a new line is missing? 17:12:13 <DJNekkid> [Generating] sprites/2cctrainset.cpnfo 17:12:14 <DJNekkid> [Generating] sprites/2cctrainset.nfo 17:12:14 <DJNekkid> cc1.exe: warning: is shorter than expected 17:12:14 <DJNekkid> In file included from sprites/nfo/wagons/silolong.pnfo:94, 17:12:14 <DJNekkid> from sprites/nfo/wagons.pnfo:19, 17:12:15 <DJNekkid> from <stdin>:8: 17:12:15 <DJNekkid> sprites/nfo/wagons/../../../templates/wagon_freight.tnfo:689:32: warning: no newline at end of file 17:24:38 <planetmaker> hm, indeed 17:24:45 <planetmaker> I'm puzzled yet another time 17:24:58 <DJNekkid> but ONLY from silolarge 17:25:00 <DJNekkid> not from the rest 17:25:40 <Ammler> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/2cctrainset/nightlies/compile-log/2cctrainset-nightly-r429-compile-error.log 17:25:46 <Ammler> worked 17:29:33 <Ammler> Rubidium: it's not the noob, it's the newbie! 17:30:43 <DJNekkid> YEY! 17:31:03 <DJNekkid> and i present to you, a FULLY nonbugged working version of the freight-template! :) 17:31:08 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 17:31:28 <Rubidium> "Newbie or n00b is a slang term for a newcomer to an Internet activity" 17:32:03 <Ammler> but a noob is a "bad" newbie 17:32:32 <Ammler> you shouldn't care about noobs 17:37:43 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: 2cc train set - Revision 431: Fix: White pixels on 2nd CC silo <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/431> || 2cc train set - Revision 430: Fix: Found a bug with haveing 00 number of cargos in VarAction2 var... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/430> 17:54:16 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:57:19 <DJNekkid> god damn its cold outside! 18:06:16 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 18:14:43 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 19:35:10 *** Frankr has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:35:24 <Frankr> Ammler or planetmaker 19:36:03 <Frankr> do you compile openttd by any chance using c++ 19:37:33 <Frankr> pm: or ammler: 19:38:20 <planetmaker> c++ is the language it's written in. It's not a compiler 19:38:27 <planetmaker> one highlight is enough, btw 19:39:13 <Frankr> sorry i couldn't remember 19:39:26 <Frankr> if it needed the : on the end or not 19:40:01 <Frankr> roelmb wants to make a patch of it using c++ 19:41:01 <planetmaker> ... c++ is still the language only 19:43:38 <Frankr> yh he is having trouble telling it where a file is, probably best talking to him 19:43:47 <Frankr> i'll get him to pop on here 19:45:59 <planetmaker> ... well. Go to #openttd and ask where there are more people who know the source. 19:46:15 <planetmaker> But do yourself the favour and don't ask any specific person ;-) 19:46:58 <planetmaker> And ask the question without meta-questions :-P 19:47:25 <Frankr> lol 19:49:05 *** Roelmb has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:49:15 <Roelmb> hi frank 19:49:19 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:49:31 <Frankr> hello roel 19:49:58 <Roelmb> ok i'll try to put my problems into a proper sentence 19:50:12 <Frankr> :) 19:50:22 <Ammler> Hello Roelmb, maybe you read first a bit backlog 19:50:33 <Ammler> Frankr: already asked and got an answer from planetmaker 19:50:54 <Roelmb> and how do i need to do that XD 19:51:10 <Roelmb> i'm not used to use IRC you know 19:51:31 <Frankr> <planetmaker> ... well. Go to #openttd and ask where there are more people who know the source. 19:51:33 <Frankr> <planetmaker> But do yourself the favour and don't ask any specific person ;-) 19:51:34 <Frankr> <planetmaker> And ask the question without meta-questions :-P 19:51:39 <Ammler> KenjiE20: the logs aren't realtime, still? 19:51:51 <planetmaker> I think not, Ammler 19:51:59 <Ammler> still useless then :-) 19:52:14 <Roelmb> so i need to go to #openttd 19:52:17 <planetmaker> but I didn't check for long. I have my own mostly ;-) 19:52:24 <planetmaker> Roelmb: well. makes more sense. 19:52:32 <andythenorth> hai hai 19:52:34 <planetmaker> I don't know the source well nor ammler 19:52:35 <andythenorth> snow snow snow 19:52:36 <Roelmb> ok then i'll look their 19:52:54 <planetmaker> nor are we c++ wizards 19:52:54 <Ammler> here is talk about the projects on devzone 19:53:09 <planetmaker> moin andythenorth 19:53:31 <Roelmb> ok 19:55:03 <DJNekkid> hmm..... 19:57:57 <KenjiE20> Ammler: supybot flushes every few minutes, so pretty realtime without killdeath disk I/O 19:59:37 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: 2cc train set - Revision 433: Change: New namecheme for wagons <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/433> || 2cc train set - Revision 432: Add: Tanker (long) <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/432> 20:04:36 <DJNekkid> are there any reactions on the "design speed" thingy i've made on the 2cc wagons? 20:05:48 *** roelmb2 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:06:17 <Ammler> KenjiE20: maybe, it could be triggered with the request 20:06:30 <KenjiE20> @flush 20:06:30 <Webster> KenjiE20: The operation succeeded. 20:07:18 <KenjiE20> which is part of owner 20:07:33 <andythenorth> snow snow snow 20:07:38 <andythenorth> FIRS needs some snow :) 20:07:51 <andythenorth> OMG FIRS is like, totally unrealistic right now ! 20:08:01 <Ammler> I meant, if someone calls the home, it triggers a rebuild 20:08:07 <Ammler> the logfile 20:09:41 <KenjiE20> the site PHP is completely seperate from supybot Python 20:10:29 <DJNekkid> *sigh* ... the winter-theme on the tt-forums is back ... 20:10:50 <andythenorth> DJNekkid: I don't use the crazy forums themes anyway, they make my eyes hurt :o 20:11:02 <andythenorth> I use some phpbb theme, it's kind of grey and blue 20:11:06 <andythenorth> looks like the wiki 20:11:23 <DJNekkid> and one can set that in the control panel? 20:11:24 *** Roelmb has quit IRC 20:11:50 <andythenorth> yup 20:12:05 <andythenorth> the contrast on the default theme hurts my eyes and sort of makes me cross 20:12:08 <andythenorth> silly, but true 20:12:13 <DJNekkid> hehe 20:12:28 <DJNekkid> when its the normal green TT-background its fine, but that snow is just anoying 20:14:01 <DJNekkid> bah 20:14:04 <DJNekkid> both had white backgrounds 20:14:32 <andythenorth> would it be boring to ask FIRS questions (I'll take silence as a polite 'yes') :o 20:17:24 *** roelmb2 has left #openttdcoop.devzone 20:17:44 <andythenorth> ok this is pretty neat: 20:17:45 <andythenorth> http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=309933&nseq=7 20:17:46 <Webster> Title: RailPictures.Net Photo: 6 Untitled Ore Transfer Car at Bethlehem, Pennsylvania by Nick DAmato (Diamond D) (at www.railpictures.net) 20:26:27 <planetmaker> what about that, andy? 20:26:54 <andythenorth> oh that was just a cool picture I found :) 20:26:58 <andythenorth> unrelated to FIRS 20:27:37 <planetmaker> he :-) Yes, it's a nice shot indeed 20:28:15 <planetmaker> hm... 1995. I'd have guessed 80 years earlier :-) 20:28:22 <planetmaker> What a simple B&W conversion can do... 20:29:18 <andythenorth> right, time to clone my FIRS repo. Changes changes changes... 20:41:37 <andythenorth> planetmaker: hg can't see my changes on cargos.pnfo 20:41:49 <andythenorth> bit weird 20:41:59 <planetmaker> andythenorth: yes... that file is generated. 20:42:05 <planetmaker> change cargo.list 20:42:12 <andythenorth> ok thanks 20:42:13 <planetmaker> or cargo_schemes.list 21:06:12 <DJNekkid> new poll on the 2cc set thread :) 21:46:47 *** Madis has quit IRC 23:16:16 *** ODM has quit IRC 23:57:17 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 463: Change: Fruit Plantation no longer built in Tempera... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/463> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 462: Change: Paper Mill no longer accepts Engineering Su... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/462> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 461: Change: Plastics Plant now produces Goods <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/461> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 460: Change: correct number input cargos in define for M... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/460> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 458: Fix: Glassworks now produces Goods (third time lucky) <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/458> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 459: Change: correct number input cargos in define for F... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/459> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 457: Change: Glassworks now produces Goods <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/457> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 456: Change: Glassworks now produces Goods <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/456> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 455: Change: Recycling Plant slightly more likely to get... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/455> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 454: Change: Recycling Plant only built near town after ... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/454> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 453: Junk Yard only built near towns <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/453> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 452: Change: Junk Yard no longer produces waste <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/452> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 451: Change: General Store no longer produces waste <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/451> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 450: Change: removed include for Fish Processor <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/450> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 449: Change: Fishing Harbour now accepts manufacturing s... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/449>