Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 14th January 2010:
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14:59:45  <Hirundo> What software is needed to run the newgrf makefiles on windows?
15:00:56  <Ammler> check the guide
15:01:02  <Ammler> nforenum/grfcodec
15:01:19  <Ammler> mingw/msys you might have already
15:13:31  <planetmaker> Hirundo, grfcodec, nforenum, gcc, make, dos2unix, possibly grep, cat and awk are built-in things
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19:28:47  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Redmine - Revision 3153: Fixed: error when exporting an issue with target version to PDF (#4556). <> || Redmine - Revision 3152: XML REST API for issues that provides CRUD operations for Issues (#1214). <> || Redmine - Revision 3151: Escape the parent id parameter. <>
20:44:28  <Hirundo>  /bouncer
20:54:36  <Hirundo> Is it possible to use operators (+, -, &) in pnfo?
20:55:17  <planetmaker> in what way, Hirundo ?
20:55:39  <Hirundo> #define X (A | B)
20:55:40  <planetmaker> the answer is "yes, but..." :-)
20:55:58  <planetmaker> well, no, unfortunately not that way
20:56:18  <planetmaker> we need another pnfo for that: python-nfo ;-)
20:56:35  <planetmaker> the gcc pre-processor does not convert that properly to nfo
20:56:42  <planetmaker> and nfo doesn't understand that
20:57:14  <Hirundo> I already feared, that the preprocessor only substitutes text
20:57:16  <planetmaker> tell me more: what do you want exactly :-)
20:57:28  <planetmaker> yes, your fear is unfortunately right
20:57:59  <planetmaker> I have some awk scripts in the comic houses and one in first. But... they're nice but it's not quite understandable :-P
20:58:13  <planetmaker> at least easily by others
20:58:25  * Hirundo inspects
20:58:26  <planetmaker> In the long run I want to replace gcc by python
20:59:14  <planetmaker> I cannot recommend to copy that as I decided to not go that path further ;-)
20:59:34  <planetmaker> that path = awk path
21:00:35  <Hirundo> python in what sense? running py scripts that transform HAPPY_FUN_FORMAT into nfo?
21:00:57  <planetmaker> yes
21:01:12  <Rubidium> why must everyone use python?
21:01:14  <planetmaker> it allows more flexibility. For example what you just asked for
21:01:26  <planetmaker> Rubidium: as hg has it anyway as basis :-)
21:01:59  <planetmaker> Besides: I'm quite open, what would you recommend to look at, Rubidium ?
21:02:06  <Rubidium> C :)
21:02:16  * andythenorth can do some python
21:02:27  <planetmaker> I haven't gone anywhere beyond the pre-processor... so I still have the flexibility
21:02:37  <Rubidium> let me say... my first experience with developing in python were bad, very bad
21:02:45  <andythenorth> :D
21:02:47  <andythenorth> tell us
21:03:01  <planetmaker> Rubidium: but that then needs compiling again... which script languages don't need
21:03:13  <planetmaker> e.g. it would mean a separate build tool.
21:03:16  <Rubidium> planetmaker: haha :)
21:03:27  <planetmaker> well, yes :-P
21:03:31  <Rubidium> the compiling was the reason why my first experience with python was so bad
21:03:39  <planetmaker> now, do tell :-)
21:03:47  <Rubidium> locally it compiled fine, on the device it didn't compile fine
21:03:52  <planetmaker> hm
21:03:54  <Rubidium> now that's all fun and such
21:04:18  <Rubidium> except when compilation of 100 lines (70% comments) takes a fucking 15 minutes on the device
21:04:51  <planetmaker> he, that's a bit of time indeed
21:04:59  <andythenorth> sounds like a bad flash project
21:05:15  <andythenorth> but I'm going OT
21:05:28  <Rubidium> and then there is a nice simulation environment which DOES NOT work, well... it does work in the simulation environment but not on the device
21:05:55  <planetmaker> bad simulation ;-)
21:05:55  <andythenorth> still sounds like a bad flash project....specifically flash for mobile phones,
21:06:32  <Hirundo> When it comes to (non-device) portability I guess python, or any other interpreted language, would be preferable over C which needs binaries for every platform
21:06:42  <andythenorth> anyway, I missed some of this, what are we doing with python?
21:06:46  <planetmaker> sounds like the simulation of a star I tried to hack together a few years ago during a summer camp. Oh well. Yes. It simulated *something*. But certainly nothing 'realistical' ;-)
21:06:59  <Hirundo> Not to mention the somewhat murky waters of strings in C :)
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