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00:45:26 *** KenjiE20|LT has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 00:45:42 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 01:39:45 *** KenjiE20|LT has quit IRC 03:06:43 *** PeterT has quit IRC 06:45:53 *** Frankr has quit IRC 08:07:06 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 09:03:39 *** ODM has quit IRC 11:22:46 *** PeterT has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:31:07 *** PeterT has quit IRC 12:07:57 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:19:09 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:22:22 *** ODM has quit IRC 13:48:15 *** Frankr has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:59:45 <Hirundo> What software is needed to run the newgrf makefiles on windows? 15:00:56 <Ammler> check the guide 15:01:02 <Ammler> nforenum/grfcodec 15:01:19 <Ammler> mingw/msys you might have already 15:13:31 <planetmaker> Hirundo, grfcodec, nforenum, gcc, make, dos2unix, possibly grep, cat and awk are built-in things 15:18:15 *** Frankr_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:21:09 *** planetmaker has quit IRC 15:21:10 *** tneo has quit IRC 15:21:11 *** SmatZ has quit IRC 15:21:11 *** XeryusTC has quit IRC 15:21:35 *** Hirundo has quit IRC 15:21:37 *** Frankr_ has quit IRC 15:21:37 *** Hirundo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:21:51 *** Frankr_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:22:09 *** planetmaker has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:22:39 *** tneo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:22:51 *** SmatZ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:23:09 *** XeryusTC has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:23:18 *** Frankr has quit IRC 15:23:19 *** Frankr_ is now known as Frankr 16:30:39 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:48:38 *** Hyronymus has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:28:47 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Redmine - Revision 3153: Fixed: error when exporting an issue with target version to PDF (#4556). <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/3153> || Redmine - Revision 3152: XML REST API for issues that provides CRUD operations for Issues (#1214). <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/3152> || Redmine - Revision 3151: Escape the parent id parameter. <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/3151> 20:44:28 <Hirundo> /bouncer 20:54:36 <Hirundo> Is it possible to use operators (+, -, &) in pnfo? 20:55:17 <planetmaker> in what way, Hirundo ? 20:55:39 <Hirundo> #define X (A | B) 20:55:40 <planetmaker> the answer is "yes, but..." :-) 20:55:58 <planetmaker> well, no, unfortunately not that way 20:56:18 <planetmaker> we need another pnfo for that: python-nfo ;-) 20:56:35 <planetmaker> the gcc pre-processor does not convert that properly to nfo 20:56:42 <planetmaker> and nfo doesn't understand that 20:57:14 <Hirundo> I already feared, that the preprocessor only substitutes text 20:57:16 <planetmaker> tell me more: what do you want exactly :-) 20:57:28 <planetmaker> yes, your fear is unfortunately right 20:57:59 <planetmaker> I have some awk scripts in the comic houses and one in first. But... they're nice but it's not quite understandable :-P 20:58:13 <planetmaker> at least easily by others 20:58:25 * Hirundo inspects 20:58:26 <planetmaker> In the long run I want to replace gcc by python 20:59:14 <planetmaker> I cannot recommend to copy that as I decided to not go that path further ;-) 20:59:34 <planetmaker> that path = awk path 21:00:35 <Hirundo> python in what sense? running py scripts that transform HAPPY_FUN_FORMAT into nfo? 21:00:57 <planetmaker> yes 21:01:12 <Rubidium> why must everyone use python? 21:01:14 <planetmaker> it allows more flexibility. For example what you just asked for 21:01:26 <planetmaker> Rubidium: as hg has it anyway as basis :-) 21:01:59 <planetmaker> Besides: I'm quite open, what would you recommend to look at, Rubidium ? 21:02:06 <Rubidium> C :) 21:02:16 * andythenorth can do some python 21:02:27 <planetmaker> I haven't gone anywhere beyond the pre-processor... so I still have the flexibility 21:02:37 <Rubidium> let me say... my first experience with developing in python were bad, very bad 21:02:45 <andythenorth> :D 21:02:47 <andythenorth> tell us 21:03:01 <planetmaker> Rubidium: but that then needs compiling again... which script languages don't need 21:03:13 <planetmaker> e.g. it would mean a separate build tool. 21:03:16 <Rubidium> planetmaker: haha :) 21:03:27 <planetmaker> well, yes :-P 21:03:31 <Rubidium> the compiling was the reason why my first experience with python was so bad 21:03:39 <planetmaker> now, do tell :-) 21:03:47 <Rubidium> locally it compiled fine, on the device it didn't compile fine 21:03:52 <planetmaker> hm 21:03:54 <Rubidium> now that's all fun and such 21:04:18 <Rubidium> except when compilation of 100 lines (70% comments) takes a fucking 15 minutes on the device 21:04:51 <planetmaker> he, that's a bit of time indeed 21:04:59 <andythenorth> sounds like a bad flash project 21:05:15 <andythenorth> but I'm going OT 21:05:28 <Rubidium> and then there is a nice simulation environment which DOES NOT work, well... it does work in the simulation environment but not on the device 21:05:55 <planetmaker> bad simulation ;-) 21:05:55 <andythenorth> still sounds like a bad flash project....specifically flash for mobile phones, 21:06:32 <Hirundo> When it comes to (non-device) portability I guess python, or any other interpreted language, would be preferable over C which needs binaries for every platform 21:06:42 <andythenorth> anyway, I missed some of this, what are we doing with python? 21:06:46 <planetmaker> sounds like the simulation of a star I tried to hack together a few years ago during a summer camp. Oh well. Yes. It simulated *something*. But certainly nothing 'realistical' ;-) 21:06:59 <Hirundo> Not to mention the somewhat murky waters of strings in C :) 21:15:16 *** PeterT has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:52:42 *** ODM has quit IRC 21:54:20 *** PeterT has quit IRC 22:10:31 *** PeterT has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 22:13:08 *** PeterT has quit IRC 22:13:11 *** PeterT_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 22:13:52 *** PeterT_ is now known as PeterT 22:37:54 *** Frankr has quit IRC 22:38:14 *** Frankr has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 22:46:17 *** Hyronymus has quit IRC