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00:02:08  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 536: Change: Add definitions for default ground sprites <> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 537: Change: Apply definiton of default ground sprites, ... <>
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13:24:38  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX 32bpp - Support #716 (New): Just another 32bpp project? <>
13:40:41  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX 32bpp - Support #716 (Feedback): Just another 32bpp project? <" target="_blank">> || OpenGFX - Code Review #717 (New): Source files <> || OpenGFX 32bpp - Support #716 (Feedback): Just another 32bpp project? <>
13:56:43  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Support #678: Rewrite" target="_blank"> <> || OpenGFX - Support #678: Rewrite" target="_blank"> <>
14:12:45  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Code Review #717: Source files <>
14:28:48  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Code Review #717: Source files <>
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15:16:57  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Code Review #717: Source files <> || OpenGFX - Code Review #717: Source files <>
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15:26:08  <FooBar_> Any more OpenGFX source discussing required? Now I'm here... :P
15:26:49  <planetmaker> :-) Hey FooBar_ :-)
15:27:04  <planetmaker> but... my answer to your question would be 'no' ;-)
15:28:59  <FooBar_> ok, good :P
15:29:09  <FooBar_> and a hello to you too
15:30:15  <FooBar_> Then we're done I guess. Productive meeting, this :P
15:33:23  <planetmaker> hehe. I wish all were that productive
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16:44:34  <Ammler> Hello FooBar_, still nice to read you here from time to time :-P
16:44:56  <FooBar_> Hi Ammler!
16:45:38  <FooBar_> Well, I've been really busy the past half year or so; things are slowly starting to become less busy, so expect me more often here in the future :P
16:46:26  <FooBar_> Once I'm able to pick up coding for FIRS again, I'll be on here every time I work on it, like back in the old days
16:46:45  <Ammler> hehe
16:47:00  <Ammler> just ask, if you like to reactivate the bouncer
16:47:23  <Ammler> the alternative for pre repo releases could also be removing those from our repo
16:47:35  <FooBar_> Not required at this time yet. I'll sure ask if I want it back :P
16:48:16  <Ammler> but I guess, if someone seriously ask for such old sources, it should be fine with rev1 of our repo
16:48:37  <FooBar_> @pre-repro: yes, that's an option; we don't need those old releases anyhow
16:48:57  <Ammler> aren't they on tt-forums anyway?
16:49:08  <FooBar_> Yes, and on my computer somewhere I think
16:49:22  <Ammler> planetmaker:?
16:49:24  <FooBar_> I wonder if those were GPL already...
16:49:34  <Ammler> ah, he :-)
16:50:04  <Ammler> planetmaker: I don't think, Zephyris would upload his 300MB filebyfile ;-)
16:50:30  <Ammler> so it would rather be a ssh/ftp account
16:50:39  <Ammler> specially for him
16:51:11  <FooBar_> dammit, they are... I kinda failed to keep track of the exact source used for those releases... If someone asks, I'll provide a decode... :P
16:51:25  <Ammler> ah indeed
16:51:44  <Ammler> as you made the grfs with decoded newgrfs
16:52:09  <Ammler> so we are full legal in that matter :-)
16:53:26  <Ammler> and a link to the dev thread should also work ;-)
16:54:26  <Ammler> FooBar_: what do you think about the OpenGFX wiki page?
16:54:37  <FooBar_> Not much, really...
16:54:54  <Ammler> IMO, it lost the state of a "Readme"
16:55:17  <Ammler> it should be more something like the OpenGFX Portal
16:55:21  <FooBar_> We should probably remove all development information and only stick on one page that explains what OpenGFX is, how it came into existance, where to get it, stuff like that
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16:56:40  <FooBar_> Keeping the "progress" bit on some kind of "OpenGFX history page" would be nice though
17:13:58  <planetmaker> hey :-)
17:14:12  <planetmaker> well, I maintained always the changelog.txt
17:14:22  <planetmaker> so it has all important changes from version to version
17:14:57  <planetmaker> btw, I'd welcome, if *someone* would kinda help OpenGFX also to its next version :-)
17:15:08  <planetmaker> There are a few things which already could be done ;-)
17:15:23  <planetmaker> but I'm currently kinda busy :-P
17:21:01  <planetmaker> Ammler: I don't mind Zephyris having a dedicated account for the upload purposes. For sure not
17:21:19  <planetmaker> but I rather thought about current ease of a path there
17:21:35  <planetmaker> and as I understood him: not all 300MB is source. Just parts of it.
17:21:46  <planetmaker> I guess most of it is working copy or alike ;-)
17:24:43  <FooBar_> At moments that I have some spare time I'm more than willing to help OpenGFX to the next level. Most likely more coordinating a bit and implementing some updates rather than actual drawing of stuff, but that's a start I guess...
17:27:34  <planetmaker> FooBar_: I'm also rather talking of getting some existing stuff into OpenGFX. Seeing that the bug / feature list gets shorter :-)
17:27:47  <planetmaker> btw: <-- FooBar_ Ammler
17:28:02  <planetmaker> could you verify that it looks the same for you? I'm kinda puzzled by the output
17:28:38  <planetmaker> I use r537 of FIRS
17:29:47  <FooBar_> I currently don't have my development environment available... Can't help you with that at the moment...
17:29:56  <planetmaker> ah, ok :S
17:31:12  <FooBar_> Installed Win7 recently and haven't gotten around setting it up again, as I didn't have the time to use it anyhow... ;)
17:31:22  <planetmaker> hehe
17:33:33  <FooBar_> To me it looks a lot different than the last time I checked. But then Andy has been changing all kinds of stuff, so I have no clue whatsoever if it's wrong or right...
17:35:02  <planetmaker> well, that paste has not much to do with FIRS. At least not yet. But I wonder why I get lines double etc.
17:35:12  <planetmaker> e.g. I'd like a bash sanity check ;-)
17:35:16  <planetmaker> of that line
17:37:22  <planetmaker> hm... nvm. Something's fishy
17:37:36  <planetmaker> if I only knew what.
17:38:54  <andythenorth> planetmaker: I can look at that in a couple of hours if that helps
17:39:20  <planetmaker> well. I just thought I might as well try via ssh on another computer. Results are very similar
17:39:27  <planetmaker> But that's not satisfactorily
17:39:37  <planetmaker> Now I'm rather interested: what's going wrong ;-)
17:39:50  <planetmaker> (that's got to become part of FIRS' dependency check)
17:40:07  <planetmaker> as that's kinda breaking more and more ;-)
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17:49:28  <Ammler> planetmaker: what if you first uniq, then sort?
17:49:59  <Ammler> ah, no
17:50:04  <Ammler> but try sort -u
17:51:17  <planetmaker> it's shorter to write, but functionally the same
17:52:25  <Ammler> well, somthing seems wrong as you still have doubles
17:52:45  <planetmaker> yes. That's why I'm asking. Also the last line is odd
17:53:11  <Ammler> I am currently also not connected to my dev env ;-)
17:53:28  <Ammler> hmm, I could try on the server...
17:56:33  <Ammler> yes, there is no "#include" on that line
17:57:04  <Ammler> hmm, maybe it belongs to the line above and has only the mac delimter?
17:59:49  <Ammler> grep "#include \"" sprites/nfo/*.pnfo <-- the same as your for stuff
18:00:27  <planetmaker> same also, if you escape the #
18:03:22  <Ammler> you could mark the start: "^#include \""
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18:03:53  <Ammler> anyway, very strange
18:04:21  <planetmaker> it's an improvement. The bogus line is gone. Uniq still fails, though
18:05:05  <planetmaker> indeed, maybe I should check line delimiters
18:05:34  <planetmaker> but having three different ones, though possible, seems unlikely, given that both, andy and myself use mac
18:06:09  <Ammler> i_fruitplantation.pnfo is broken
18:06:21  <planetmaker> hm?
18:06:28  <Ammler> try to read that file
18:06:50  <planetmaker> what about that?
18:07:22  <planetmaker> looks pretty normal here
18:07:29  <Ammler> might have missing \n
18:07:36  <Ammler> a plain \r file?
18:07:53  <Ammler> you are the mac user :-P
18:08:11  <planetmaker> mac uses unix style for a few years by now
18:08:19  <Ammler> ok
18:08:27  <Ammler> anyway that file is broken
18:08:40  <Ammler> run cat <thatfile>
18:09:01  <planetmaker> hm, true
18:09:42  <Ammler> I don't have line breaks here, do you?
18:09:48  <Ammler> maybe just resave it then
18:10:13  <Ammler> (as said, I am on the server)
18:11:44  <planetmaker> hm... re-saving it doesn't help
18:15:17  <Ammler> I would use kate
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18:27:34  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 538: Change: Funny line ending of i_fruitplantation.pnfo <> || Redmine - Revision 3174: Adds a log message when an API call raises an InvalidAuthenticityToken e... <> || Redmine - Revision 3173: Move ids in XML views. <>
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18:39:36  <Ammler> funny?
18:40:02  <Ammler> :-)
18:40:05  <planetmaker> :-P well. Annoying doesn't sound so nice ;-)
18:41:32  <Ammler> what was it?
18:41:49  <planetmaker> Don't really know... ^M
18:41:58  <planetmaker> whatever that is ;-)
18:42:02  <Ammler> that is \r
18:42:12  <planetmaker> yeah, then it was only that
18:42:16  <planetmaker> stupid
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18:42:28  <Ammler> you see that sometime if you open windows \n\r with linux
18:42:33  <Ammler> s
18:42:43  <planetmaker> yes. That's where I know it from ;-)
18:42:50  <Ammler> or is it \r\n
18:42:53  <planetmaker> vi is especially nice with that
18:43:49  <Ammler> maybe andy opened that file with a special old mac tool
18:44:58  <planetmaker> dunno. I have the feeling it's not the only file. Changing that actually didn't change anything of my original problem ;-)
18:47:04  <Ammler> ah, I see, your for... isn't the same as my grep...
18:47:30  <planetmaker> hm?
18:48:05  <Ammler> if you grep multiple files, it outputs the filename too
18:48:14  <planetmaker> ah
18:48:37  <Ammler> what are you looking for?
18:48:44  <Ammler> a list with all includes?
18:48:47  <planetmaker> the aim is to get a uniq list of files included. yes
18:49:02  <planetmaker> trying to get a makefile.dep working
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18:49:27  <Ammler> hmm, didn't you do that already for pcxes?
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18:50:08  <planetmaker> well. yes. BUT: I assume that all (p)nfo files are mentioned in the central file, firs.pnfo
18:50:36  <planetmaker> that is less and less true. Thus both, pcx and (p)nfo dependencies will pass unrecognized more and more
18:50:48  <planetmaker> so I'm looking for something more robust
18:51:56  <Ammler> doesn't .dep work, if you have listed a file twice?
18:52:59  <Ammler> did I say?
18:53:11  <Ammler> I don't like templates outside of sprites :-)
18:54:50  <Ammler> it is like in openttd files include something from extra ;-)
18:55:00  <Ammler> in src
18:55:22  <Ammler> sprites is like src IMO
18:55:33  <planetmaker> yes. you said that with the templates and I agree :-)
18:55:49  <planetmaker> And my new templates are added in sprites :-)
18:55:51  <Ammler> I thought it was in 2cc
18:55:59  <planetmaker> well. Andy copied it ;-)
18:56:48  <planetmaker> a .dep should work, if something is listed twice, though
18:56:53  <planetmaker> but I wouldn't call that nice ;-)
18:57:24  <Ammler> true
18:57:41  <Ammler> but you said, you want something robust, not nice ;-)
18:58:02  <Ammler> anyway, it should uniq those, don't see why not
18:58:34  <planetmaker> ^^ the cause of me being puzzled ;-)
18:58:41  <Ammler> maybe also the wellknown "how is it called"
18:58:54  <Ammler> Rubidium: fixed a lot in opengfx
19:01:48  <planetmaker> eh? white space?
19:05:52  <Ammler> yes, something like that, but there is a "expert word" for it
19:10:43  <planetmaker> hm... ok :-)
19:14:42  <Ammler> Hirundo is also specialist of
19:14:58  <Ammler> why can't I remember :'-(
19:18:38  <andythenorth> hi hi
19:18:46  <andythenorth> planetmaker: anything I can help with?
19:19:38  <planetmaker> well. Not sure. I guess when you try you get the same, right?
19:20:10  <planetmaker> bash command in first line there, to be executed in your firs repo
19:22:18  <andythenorth> planetmaker:  so I don't get identical output to you...
19:24:02  <andythenorth>
19:31:26  <planetmaker> looks quite identical to me.
19:32:03  <planetmaker> hm... well. Dunno. I guess I'll leave that for now. Another day, another go ;-)
19:48:18  <Ammler> andythenorth: you pulled?
20:02:04  <andythenorth> planetmaker: interested in coding today, or busy?
20:02:58  <planetmaker> I guess I pass for today. But you may tell me nonetheless. First the washing machine and dishes, though ;-)
20:03:51  <andythenorth> just planning my time.  I either (a) work on industry production code (b) work on economies with you (c) hope Irwe sends more snow sprites
20:03:56  <andythenorth> I currently vote (a)
20:04:28  <planetmaker> :-)
20:06:04  <planetmaker> economies... sounds like fun though :-)
20:10:02  <andythenorth> economies - it would be really nice soon to have the economy parameter determining which industries are built
20:12:17  <planetmaker> ok... let's do it. Round about 22h I'm done with what I want do and I have time
20:17:42  <andythenorth> ok
20:18:36  <planetmaker> speaking CET ;-)
20:20:43  <PeterT> Hirundo?
20:20:48  <PeterT> When are patches made?
20:20:52  <PeterT> for is2?
20:21:04  <PeterT> updated trunk ones, I mean
20:22:12  <Hirundo> When there's something to update
20:22:27  <PeterT> the trunk version?
20:23:17  <Hirundo> IS2 has not been merged with trunk since the latest version, so as far as the repo is aware there aren't any updates
20:25:52  <Hirundo> I will pick it up again in the not-too-near-nor-distant future, but I'm not a robot who does such things on command
20:27:37  <PeterT> :-(
20:44:29  <planetmaker> [21:25]	<Hirundo>	(...) but I'm not a robot who does such things on command <-- I'm quite happy to have subjects in this channel who pass the turing test easily and obviously ;-)
20:45:16  <SmatZ> hehe
20:52:15  <Ammler> PeterT: what trunk feature do you miss in is2?
20:52:54  <PeterT> A major crash fix
20:53:15  <PeterT> Also, I'd like to keep my CargoDist + IS2 build up-to-date
20:53:24  <PeterT> @Ammler
20:54:11  <Ammler> well, crash fixes are a reson for update, maybe you can backport that fix?
20:54:40  <Ammler> every trunk commit is like a patch :-)
20:55:40  <Ammler> PeterT: which patch do you use as "base"?
20:55:45  <PeterT> CargoDist
20:55:51  <PeterT> the Git checkout of CargoDist
20:56:08  <Ammler> oh, you work with git? RESPECT :-)
20:56:24  <PeterT> Lol
20:56:31  <PeterT> git sucks
20:57:05  <Ammler> he, I know :-P
20:57:13  <Ammler> (too well)
20:57:49  <Ammler> but it looks like git is going to become the next "standard" vcs after subversion.
21:00:02  <PeterT> because of how well it handles branches
21:00:47  <planetmaker> andythenorth: around?
21:02:23  <andythenorth> hi hi
21:02:43  <planetmaker> :-)
21:02:57  <planetmaker> well... let's talk economy
21:03:32  <andythenorth> ok, so set the parameter, get (i) cargo payment rates (ii) a certain range of industries
21:03:34  <planetmaker> first question IMO: should they be de-coupled from the payment schemes or should they be linked
21:03:38  <andythenorth> linked
21:03:56  <planetmaker> ok, I agree. Good that you see it that way, too :-)
21:04:02  <andythenorth> reduces complexity
21:04:05  <planetmaker> indeed
21:04:14  <planetmaker> especially front-end :-)
21:04:18  <andythenorth> bug reports are n instead of n*p or something
21:04:29  <andythenorth> (for number of possible combinations)
21:04:29  <Ammler> PeterT: well, git has afaik no major function, which hg lacks, the rason might more be, that uses it.
21:04:51  <andythenorth> planetmaker: question 2:
21:04:52  <andythenorth> ?
21:05:18  <planetmaker> hm, question two goes already to the details :-)
21:05:53  <planetmaker> we have the payment, which is fine. Now we need to extend that parameter to the industries, I guess
21:05:57  <andythenorth> how to implement?  Lots of action 7 jumping to labels 7?
21:06:06  <andythenorth> and some kind of simple text config file
21:06:27  <planetmaker> yes... should be.
21:06:37  <andythenorth> my typing is bad today :|
21:07:03  <planetmaker> how should we define the config, maybe let's start there.
21:07:24  <planetmaker> Though I started with awk for the cargo schemes I'm not convinced anymore.
21:07:29  <planetmaker> What's your view?
21:08:10  <planetmaker> just add lines like #define MINING_<INDUSTRYNAME>
21:08:22  <planetmaker> if the industry is available in MINING and leave it be, if not?
21:08:30  <planetmaker> then we can use simple #ifdef to include?
21:08:49  <planetmaker> hm...
21:09:06  <planetmaker> would make templating easy
21:10:21  <planetmaker> so the config part would just to supply a list of industries in the form of defines
21:10:32  <planetmaker> the templates then deal with that, depending whether it's defined or not
21:11:05  <planetmaker> but... then we wouldn't have different acceptance
21:11:10  <planetmaker> do we want that?
21:11:11  <andythenorth> might be that the defines are economy numbers
21:11:24  <andythenorth> which are written into the action 7s
21:11:41  <planetmaker> yes, kinda in the template:
21:11:49  <andythenorth> hmm
21:11:58  <andythenorth> how much does redundant code matter in a newgrf?
21:11:59  <planetmaker> #ifdef SCHEME_THIS_INDUSTRY
21:12:23  <planetmaker> it increases size
21:12:31  <planetmaker> and compile time
21:12:52  <andythenorth> the most brutal route is to repeat all of the action 0s
21:12:59  <planetmaker> yes
21:13:08  <planetmaker> well, I'd do that by action7, yes
21:13:09  <andythenorth> but firs.nfo is already 650kb
21:13:16  <andythenorth> KB
21:13:33  <planetmaker> but only include the code, if the defined for the scheme
21:13:44  <andythenorth> ok, so some saving
21:13:48  <planetmaker> that's what the scheme list gives us
21:13:55  <andythenorth> it's probably the easiest to template
21:14:09  <planetmaker> at least I see a path there.
21:14:27  <andythenorth> (I may have missed the first part of your solution btw, we have two internet connections, both dropped at 21.07 and came back at 21.09)
21:14:50  <andythenorth> so we could try the brutal route...if file size is an issue, rethink?
21:15:06  <planetmaker> [22:08]	<planetmaker>	just add lines like #define MINING_<INDUSTRYNAME>
21:15:08  <planetmaker> [22:08]	<planetmaker>	if the industry is available in MINING and leave it be, if not?
21:15:10  <planetmaker> [22:08]	<planetmaker>	then we can use simple #ifdef to include?
21:15:35  <andythenorth> ok
21:16:08  <planetmaker> I guess we can try that.
21:16:14  <planetmaker> 2ccTrainSet is bigger
21:16:30  <planetmaker> though "my grf is bigger than yours" should not really be a criterion ;-)
21:16:59  <andythenorth> firs.grf is currently only 380KB, so encoding clearly has some large compression factor
21:17:07  <andythenorth> download size is always a concern...
21:17:19  <Ammler> but but
21:17:28  <planetmaker> well. yes. But alas. Less than the fun-factor IMO
21:17:39  <Ammler> planetmaker: how do you know on compile time, which sheme a player choses?
21:17:42  <planetmaker> and we have sufficient band width
21:17:50  <planetmaker> Ammler: I don't
21:17:59  <planetmaker> But I know on compile time which scheme uses which industries
21:18:12  <planetmaker> thus the action7 chain only includes it for the schemes it takes part in.
21:18:36  <andythenorth> and we skip all of the action 7s except for the one matching param n
21:18:40  <planetmaker> for each scheme it participates in: action0. Or rather skip, if not
21:18:45  <andythenorth> or param 0 = n to be strict
21:19:11  <Ammler> what about a bit switch and then define the industry bits in a sheme template?
21:19:30  <Ammler> would you have a bit per industry?
21:19:42  <andythenorth> sounds good.  what does it mean? :)
21:20:01  <planetmaker> andythenorth: sure. we skip everything which is not configured to become active. Using action7s to do so
21:20:14  <planetmaker> but... do we need more than one action0?
21:20:18  <planetmaker> I don't think, or?
21:20:30  <planetmaker> hm... yes, we do.
21:20:35  <planetmaker> we do that already ;-)
21:20:36  <andythenorth> no, you could drop a lot of action 7s above the action 0
21:20:53  <andythenorth> but the 'many action 0s' route is brutal and simple
21:21:37  <planetmaker> yes. indeed. But efficient
21:21:47  <planetmaker> Ok. Plan:
21:22:08  <planetmaker> We keep the scheme dependent action0 for cargos as is
21:22:26  <planetmaker> for industries we make a number of action7 prior to the industry's action0.
21:22:34  <planetmaker> We skip it, if it is not wanted by the scheme
21:23:11  <planetmaker> then it's either "industry present" or "industry not present"
21:23:42  <andythenorth> the action 7 block will need two labels, one for skipping the industry, the other for skipping the remaining action 7s when an industry matches the economy
21:24:15  <planetmaker> as an advanced step we could re-use #define MINING_<INDUSTRYNAME> as a template name which to use, if it needs specific actions for that scheme
21:24:43  <andythenorth> yes.  There will be some scheme-specific variations
21:25:14  <planetmaker> definitely?
21:25:40  <andythenorth> definitely....maybe.  But probably can be handled by an action 7 for specific economies, modifying a limited number of properties.
21:25:48  <andythenorth> Unless I need to modify production code.  Hmm
21:26:05  <planetmaker> hm... graphics, real sprites most likely
21:26:36  <andythenorth> input / output cargos are the planned variations currently
21:26:38  <planetmaker> greenhouse vs. fruit plantation e.g.
21:27:04  <planetmaker> same industry :-) But could be two.
21:27:09  <andythenorth> graphics can be handled by a large varaction 2 block I would guess
21:27:18  <planetmaker> true
21:27:41  <andythenorth> same with production code if necessary - just branch according to param value
21:27:57  <andythenorth> so that's all fine.  Where are the defines...defined?
21:28:29  <planetmaker> hm... yes. Variations are all present, independent by the scheme chosen. The scheme just sets a parameter
21:28:41  <planetmaker> or some parameters.
21:29:25  <planetmaker> the #define SCHEME_MINING_DREDGINGSITE should most probably go in its own (new) file
21:29:33  <planetmaker> like industry_schemes.pnfo
21:29:35  <planetmaker> or alike
21:29:55  <planetmaker> analoguous to cargo_schemes.list
21:30:08  <planetmaker> (but not a list)
21:30:29  <planetmaker> hm...
21:30:42  <andythenorth> so long as it's easy to check and edit...
21:30:53  <Hirundo> PeterT: does merging trunk with IS cause any problems beyond the usual saveload and include conflicts?
21:30:56  <planetmaker> just a list of defines, one after another
21:31:06  <andythenorth> I could hang it off the website cms quite easily, but that's
21:31:11  <andythenorth> potentially brittle
21:31:21  <PeterT> Hirundo: I don't know, I haven't tried
21:31:34  <planetmaker> but then the cargo variation code goes into the industry itself.
21:32:03  <planetmaker> not too bad, I guess
21:33:24  <planetmaker> we should indicate the use of a different production / acceptance scheme than default indicate by setting special, separate defines, I think
21:33:59  <planetmaker> like #define SCHEME_PROD_FISHINGHARBOUR 1
21:34:08  <planetmaker> and then query that - again - by #ifdef
21:34:13  <planetmaker> if not set, the default is used
21:34:47  <planetmaker> the default production template
21:35:03  <planetmaker> otherwise a special one. maybe the name defined instead of 1
21:35:13  <planetmaker> yes :-)
21:35:19  <planetmaker> if nothing is defined: use default
21:35:29  <planetmaker> if defined: use the template of the name for the production code
21:36:06  <planetmaker> #define SCHEME_PROD_FISHINGHARBOUR i_fishingharbour/prod_fishingindustry.pnfo
21:36:20  <planetmaker> if not it uses i_fishingharbour/prod_default.pnfo
21:36:54  <planetmaker> I talk too much :-P
21:40:06  * andythenorth disconnected :|
21:40:19  <Hirundo> 14 speeches to self, is that a record?
21:40:31  * Hirundo searches #jonty stats
21:40:35  <Ammler> andythenorth: but the bouncer replayed?
21:40:42  <andythenorth> Ammler: NO
21:40:44  <andythenorth> oops
21:40:45  <andythenorth> no
21:41:02  <Ammler> hmm, then that needs to be configured
21:41:23  <Ammler>
21:41:25  <andythenorth> and I need a new internet connection
21:41:42  <andythenorth> next I should have a new internet connection
21:41:47  <andythenorth> if all goes as planned
21:42:02  <PeterT> stalking me on other channels, eh andythenorth?
21:42:58  <andythenorth> planetmaker: did you see the python dict output from the FIRS website before I got disconnected?
21:43:37  <planetmaker> andythenorth: no :-(
21:44:05  <andythenorth> oh poop
21:44:05  <andythenorth>
21:44:44  <planetmaker> uhm, ok
21:44:49  <andythenorth> easy to read, no? :P
21:44:54  <planetmaker> you want to python-ify that straight away?
21:45:10  <planetmaker> well, yes and no. Several lines would be nicer ;-)
21:45:23  <andythenorth>  I just thought you should know it exists :)
21:45:37  <andythenorth> I have to keep the website in sync with whatever the code says, as it's the main documentation
21:45:57  <planetmaker> That's nice. But I don't feel like starting a totally new concept right now.
21:46:22  <planetmaker> Though I'd like to see it implemented, that's more time consuming than I want to dedicate myself right now
21:46:58  <andythenorth> Once you have a format for the industry list, I might make the website generate that list (for my own purposes, not proposing connecting the makefile to it!)
21:47:00  <planetmaker> (as I have virtually NO experience with programming python)
21:47:12  <planetmaker> hehe :-)
21:47:55  * andythenorth tries something
21:48:25  <planetmaker> <-- like that I propose the definition
21:48:47  <planetmaker> don't mind wrong industry names, though ;-)
21:49:42  <andythenorth> yup, give me two more minutes (this is for my own interest) :)
21:49:45  <planetmaker> BUT: something like that as primary industry definition list would certainly rock
21:57:00  <andythenorth> planetmaker:
21:57:07  <andythenorth> it's only a proof-of-concept
21:57:41  <planetmaker> hm, you need the scheme name in the defines
21:57:54  <planetmaker> like in the paste I posted
21:58:20  <andythenorth> well...yes :P
21:58:24  * andythenorth 2 mins
21:58:33  <planetmaker> and: no spaces in defines
21:59:20  <andythenorth> yes, and all caps :)
21:59:21  <andythenorth>
21:59:41  <andythenorth> and the actual industry names might not match up between the website and the code
21:59:56  <andythenorth> I can make them caps in a minute
22:00:53  <Ammler> andythenorth: enabled Buffer for your account
22:01:01  <andythenorth> thanks Ammler
22:01:24  <Ammler> you could do that self on the given address
22:01:42  <planetmaker> andythenorth: remove the " please, too
22:01:51  <planetmaker> only letters
22:01:56  <planetmaker> and _
22:02:03  <planetmaker> and non-leading figures
22:02:23  <planetmaker> and no space ;-)
22:02:28  <planetmaker> but yes
22:02:38  <andythenorth> ok, so I need to stop hacking a page template and write a script for this - but you get the idea?
22:03:01  <planetmaker> yes. That's what I proposed :-P
22:03:41  <andythenorth> doing it right is about 20 mins work probably
22:04:02  <planetmaker> :-)
22:04:20  <planetmaker> And then changing all the industries. And making the template... I'm somewhat on the latter right now
22:05:00  <planetmaker> is it sufficient to only skip the action0? I think yes...?
22:07:57  <Ammler> so you include python already?
22:10:58  <planetmaker> not me :-)
22:11:53  <planetmaker> hm... what does that evaluate to:
22:12:09  <planetmaker> #define VAR2 VAR1
22:12:16  <planetmaker> if VAR1 is not defined?
22:12:33  <planetmaker> what will #ifdef VAR2 do?
22:18:18  <andythenorth> planetmaker:
22:18:31  <andythenorth> needs some small work, but close?
22:19:30  <planetmaker> looks fine to me
22:20:35  <andythenorth> SCHEME_FARMING_CARPENTERS_SHOP for example is actually the Furniture Factory
22:20:55  <planetmaker> well.... :-)
22:21:01  <andythenorth> it's a bit of history with name changes, but ids didn't.  I can get around it easily by extending the cms
22:21:39  <andythenorth> but these defines are fairly arbitrary anyway, right?
22:21:51  <planetmaker> well. yes.
22:22:14  <planetmaker> but it makes sense to have them the same as the industry file is called
22:22:32  <planetmaker> uhm... move and modify words till the sentence makes sense ;-)
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22:23:53  <andythenorth> I can fix it, but probably not tonight in code.  But easy with find and replace locally....for now.
22:24:48  <andythenorth> I think it's time for bed
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22:29:10  <planetmaker> indeed. Thinking gets sluggish and my jaw cracks.
22:29:25  <planetmaker> good night :-)
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22:30:30  <andythenorth> I'll fix that list output tomorrow. good night ;)
22:30:51  <FooBar_> good night!
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