Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 19th January 2010:
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03:45:16  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Code Review #717: Source files <>
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05:21:12  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX 32bpp - Support #716: Just another 32bpp project? <>
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09:54:06  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX 32bpp - Support #716: Just another 32bpp project? <>
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14:41:26  <Hirundo> anyone here experienced with (gnuwin32) bison?
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15:22:44  <planetmaker> not me, sorry
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18:58:21  <planetmaker> Salut Hyronymus
18:58:31  <Hyronymus> hi planetmaker
18:58:32  <planetmaker> any news with the 32bpp part?
18:58:54  <planetmaker> or something which we (I) could give you help with to get started?
18:59:05  <Hyronymus> nothing real yet for the 32bpp
18:59:44  <Hyronymus> well
18:59:51  <Hyronymus> when do you guys think v2 is done?
19:02:06  <planetmaker> well. Dunno really. I guess when DJN feels it is done ;-)
19:02:16  <Hyronymus> ok
19:02:17  <planetmaker> But that need you not stop to start ;-)
19:02:30  <Hyronymus> I was thinking of calling it TofW v3D
19:02:35  <Hyronymus> as a small hint
19:02:44  <planetmaker> My guess is somewhen the first half of this year. Might be this month, might be later
19:02:55  <planetmaker> he, interesting name, yes :-)
19:03:19  <Hyronymus> although I'm not sure how explicit 3D it'll look
19:03:19  <planetmaker> Well. For continuity reasons, I think, we should keep 2cctrainset. But v3D is nice ;-)
19:03:32  <Hyronymus> yeah, 2ccset is nice
19:03:46  <planetmaker> well. It's a bit till the first release, so we have time to ponder about that :-)
19:03:56  <Hyronymus> I reckon a seperate forum topic is needed
19:04:25  <Hyronymus> and is there a way to setup a repository or whatever it's called so people can see what is done or to be done
19:04:27  <planetmaker> doesn't hurt, I guess.
19:05:15  <Hyronymus> no, definetly not
19:05:20  <planetmaker> well. We had a tracker for OpenGFX with the missing sprites. Something like that might be possible. But I don't know that script really.
19:05:42  <Hyronymus> does DJ know perhaps?
19:06:21  <Ammler> Foobar made it
19:06:25  <Ammler> it is in the opengfx repo
19:06:34  <Hyronymus> ok
19:07:03  <Hyronymus> kind of worried what to aim for
19:07:09  <Hyronymus> I've had it with pixel art
19:07:21  <Hyronymus> but you can make nice stuff in 32bpp that way
19:07:32  <Hyronymus> if I limit models to 3D-rendered it may take ages
19:07:41  <Ammler>
19:07:41  <Hyronymus> kind of a high treshhold
19:08:45  <planetmaker> Hyronymus: we might create a separate build target maybe for it: a v3 (which has everything) and a v3D which has only those trains which have already 32bpp.
19:08:50  <planetmaker> just an idea though.
19:09:18  <Hyronymus> hmm, nice thinking
19:12:31  <Ammler> Hyronymus: do you also consider the extra zoom levels?
19:12:43  <Hyronymus> they are a must imho
19:12:55  <Hyronymus> if you offer more details you should offer that too
19:13:09  <planetmaker> How does it work: can such tars work also with normal, unpatched OpenTTD?
19:13:16  <planetmaker> I must admit, I never tried
19:13:23  <planetmaker> shame on me.
19:13:25  <Hyronymus> you have a point there
19:13:31  <planetmaker> It's a question :-)
19:13:32  <Hyronymus> zoom levels aren't in the trunk yet
19:13:42  <Hyronymus> but you can make it a parameter perhaps
19:13:50  <planetmaker> If it's just ignored: fine. If not... it's a bit fishy :-)
19:14:03  <Ammler> no, and the current patch is quite ugly according to the patch dev himself
19:14:05  <Hyronymus> just thinking out loud here
19:14:11  <planetmaker> you may :-)
19:14:22  <Hyronymus> if you use 3d, can you mimic lighting and moving parts?
19:14:23  <planetmaker> we won't eat you alive for thinking loud :-)
19:14:51  * Hyronymus fears eing boiled first
19:14:54  <Hyronymus> *being
19:14:54  <planetmaker> Dunno. But I would guess you have the same possibilities as in 8bpp
19:15:07  <planetmaker> there it is somewhat possible via animation
19:15:23  <Hyronymus> probably more fleunt movements
19:15:27  <Hyronymus> gah
19:15:29  <Hyronymus> fluent
19:15:59  <Ammler> maybe, it is time to ask in the 32bpp thread about compatibilty with non-zoom (trunk)
19:16:05  <Ammler> afaik they aren't
19:16:35  <Ammler> extra zoom uses another naming convention
19:16:39  <Hyronymus> let's ask
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19:17:04  <planetmaker> I really fancy the zoom algorithm Zephyris posted
19:17:15  <planetmaker> Given that algorithm another zoom level would be quite decent IMO
19:17:19  <Ammler> they have 3 different pngs for every level and the normal zoom in in extra zoom has _0 or such
19:17:27  <Ammler> the trunk 32bpp doesn't have
19:18:38  <Ammler> shouldn't it be enough to have the most detailed png and then zoom it out for the other levels?
19:19:22  <planetmaker> well. That would not be compatible. And having dedicated graphics is better than zoom out.
19:22:44  <Ammler> I don't think the current extra zoom level will ever get to trunk
19:22:46  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Redmine - Revision 3177: Accept filters from API calls without set_filter parameter. <> || Redmine - Revision 3175: Merged r3333 from trunk. <> || Redmine - Revision 3176: Fixed: PDF export of a issue list grouped by a custom field raises an er... <>
20:48:12  <andythenorth> evening
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21:40:17  <andythenorth> planetmaker:
21:40:19  <andythenorth> oops
21:40:24  <andythenorth> planetmaker:
21:40:27  <andythenorth> done
21:42:05  <planetmaker> :-)
21:45:08  <andythenorth> planetmaker: and the python code in case you're interested - useless without the cms object database of course :)
21:45:09  <andythenorth>
21:45:37  <planetmaker> you should commit that.
21:45:43  <andythenorth> massively unoptimised, due to being a hack of something created for another purpose
21:45:45  <planetmaker> add it to the scripts dir or alike
21:46:01  <andythenorth> it's not much use without the cms
21:46:22  <andythenorth> I could commit an export of the whole FIRS section of the cms
21:46:32  <planetmaker> well. Does that make sense?
21:47:01  <andythenorth> it does to someone who is unafraid to use Zope (double click install on a mac).  Not much use to anyone else though :o
21:49:18  * planetmaker has never heart the word / name "Zope" ;-)
21:50:12  <andythenorth> 15 year old python, object based, cms + web application server :)
21:50:33  <planetmaker> O-O
21:50:43  <andythenorth>
21:50:44  <Webster> Title: The Zope 2 Application Server (at
21:51:41  <andythenorth> anyway, I'm here to write industry code, not evangelise a web framework :D
21:51:55  <andythenorth> should I commit the *output* of that web script?
21:52:06  <planetmaker> well... yes? :-)
21:52:24  <planetmaker> looks fine to me.
21:54:03  * andythenorth likes the neatness of ''.join(some_random_string.split('_')).upper()
21:54:15  <andythenorth> converting meat_packer to MEATPACKER
21:55:54  <andythenorth> planetmaker: do you have a preferred file name for these industry - economy defines to live in?
21:57:08  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX 32bpp - <>
21:59:45  <planetmaker> andythenorth: well... industry_schemes.pnfo or vice versa maybe?
21:59:54  <planetmaker> would then be the same as cargo_schemes
22:00:47  <andythenorth> industry_schemes.pnfo is fine
22:01:40  <andythenorth> it's done
22:12:25  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 544: Add: industry schemes pnfo file <> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 543: Merge <> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 542: Change: work in progress on industry manufacturing ... <>
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22:27:33  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX 32bpp - Feature #531 (Closed): 32bpp: OPEN TTD title fonts <>
22:42:38  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX 32bpp - First Release! <>
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