Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 22nd January 2010:
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18:22:00  <Ammler> Rubidium: from where does the openttd installer download opengfx?
18:22:10  <Ammler> my windows install failed :-(
18:22:45  <Rubidium> from
18:23:16  <Ammler> might it fail because of your new mirror thing?
18:23:35  <Rubidium> probably, but it's TrueBrain's mirror thing then, because with mine it did work
18:23:39  <Rubidium> anyhow, can't do ANYTHING about that at the moment
18:23:56  <Ammler> well, you know it now, I won't check it anymore
18:24:12  <Ammler> will take time until I install on windows next time :-)
18:24:56  <Rubidium> well... will take time before I have a useable system again
18:25:28  <Ammler> sfx failed either
18:25:38  <Rubidium> 80x25 on a server is about all 'system' I have right now (and possibly for the rest of the weekend/next week)
18:26:15  <Ammler> this is my only windows system I have right now, so I can't confirm it
18:26:26  <Ammler> but downloading etc. worked fine
18:28:47  <Rubidium> downloading the installer, not open*, right?
18:28:58  <Rubidium> i.e. the installer downloaded fine, open* didn't download fine
18:29:01  <Rubidium> right?
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19:26:57  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Redmine - Revision 3178: Fixed some labels to be more accessible. <>
20:18:42  <andythenorth> evening
20:27:37  <Ammler> hello andythenorth
20:27:42  <andythenorth> hi
20:27:45  <Ammler> does Backlog work now?
20:27:53  <andythenorth> yes, it's great
20:28:25  <andythenorth> although because I close my laptop a lot, it is quite....busy ;)
20:30:06  <andythenorth> also.....we got our phone cable in the sky replaced.  So no more dropouts due to the the rain :o
20:30:27  <andythenorth> and cable broadband is being fitted.  Suddenly I have more internet than I can use!
20:36:04  <Ammler> :-)
20:36:15  <Ammler> better than none
20:36:39  <Ammler> did you ever join the bouncer admin panel?
20:40:42  <DJNekkid> andythenorth: did you have internet via sattelite?
20:47:39  <Ammler> [21:47] <*status> | Hirundo      | 3.34 MiB   | 3.19 MiB   | 6.53 MiB   |
20:47:41  <Ammler> [21:47] <*status> | OFTC         | 60.26 MiB  | 60.74 MiB  | 120.99 MiB |
20:47:42  <Ammler> [21:47] <*status> | admin        | 0 B        | 0 B        | 0 B        |
20:47:44  <Ammler> [21:47] <*status> | andythenorth | 505.46 KiB | 628.37 KiB | 1.11 MiB   |
20:47:46  <Ammler> OFTC being me
20:49:33  <andythenorth> djnekkid: no, internet via a very old wire to a telephone pole
20:50:16  <DJNekkid> lol, oh
20:50:21  <DJNekkid> probably a "gray cable" ...
20:50:34  <DJNekkid> and the telecom guys changed it into a "black cabld"
20:50:45  <DJNekkid> (i used to work with that stuff)
20:51:44  <DJNekkid> brb real quick
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21:17:34  <andythenorth> djnekkid:'re exactly right about the cable
21:23:09  <Ammler> grey is parallel and black is drilled?
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21:39:11  <DJNekkid> no, gray is old and is not filled with fat
21:39:43  <DJNekkid> the black ones are new (about 1985) and filled with fat
21:39:54  <DJNekkid> fat is water and UV-resistant
21:40:28  <DJNekkid> well, the fat is wateresitant
21:40:38  <DJNekkid> and the black PVC is UV resistant
21:42:38  <DJNekkid> so; when a gray old cable have been there for 30 years its outer layer (the gray plastic) gets "dry" and tends to crack open
21:42:47  <DJNekkid> that allows water to enter the cable
21:42:58  <DJNekkid> and water + copper = rust
21:43:06  <andythenorth> and that explains all those 'andythenorth has quit' messages :D
21:43:18  <DJNekkid> rust dont lead electricity particulary well
21:43:34  <DJNekkid> neither does a short circut
21:44:03  <DJNekkid> and if it gets windy the two wires tends to either short curcuit or the connection over a rusted spot gets broken
21:44:36  <DJNekkid> the end user experience this as either bad DLS connection (particulary downstream, upstream usually is ok)
21:44:56  <DJNekkid> or the phone connecion gets kinda scrambled
21:45:33  <DJNekkid> nail-on-head andythenorth?
21:45:53  <andythenorth> yes exactly
21:46:26  <DJNekkid> cool :)
21:46:30  <andythenorth> and we had it stretched over metal scaffolding for 6 months (which is why we couldn't call the phone company to replace it)
21:46:34  *** Hyr|afk is now known as Hyronymus
21:46:42  <DJNekkid> aha
21:47:08  <DJNekkid> well, now its replaced, and your downstream have gone up by, 2-300% ?
21:47:44  <DJNekkid> from like 1 or 2mbits to 6-8mbits?
21:47:47  <andythenorth> I haven't tested dl speed, but pings are 5-6x faster
21:47:56  <DJNekkid> or .org
21:48:24  <DJNekkid> my bet is that you were going on one wire the last leg (from telephone pole and in)
21:49:23  <DJNekkid> if you are not too far (2km or so) from our telephone central/DSL equipment it usually works on one pole, but the connection gets quite slow downstream
21:49:59  <andythenorth> interesting thanks
21:50:17  <DJNekkid> depending on the technology used (ADSL vs ADSL2(+)) your connection probably went from 1-2 mbits to 6 or even 10 or 15
21:50:37  <DJNekkid> ADSL is max 8192kbits
21:50:41  <DJNekkid> downstream
21:50:54  <DJNekkid> ADSL2+ have a theoretical max of 24mbps
21:51:05  <DJNekkid> max practical is around 20mbits tho
21:51:33  <DJNekkid> but that would require you to be within ... 250-350 meters from your DSL central
21:52:09  <DJNekkid> i currently have a 1700-some meter long line, and i have 14997kbit stable connection
21:52:20  <DJNekkid> 14997/998kbit
21:52:46  <DJNekkid> 15002/1002 and its slightly unstable :)
21:53:28  <DJNekkid> after about 3,5km you could have about 10mbits, but then it drops quite fast to about 2mbit at 5km
21:57:16  <DJNekkid> </dls for experts>
22:01:49  * andythenorth should I code something?
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