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00:00:08 <planetmaker> yes 00:00:40 <Rubidium> pushed 00:00:40 <planetmaker> hehe :-) That's something svn has probably an advantage 00:00:53 <Rubidium> only opengfx not pushed yet 00:02:05 <Frankr> Ammler: Do the Nightlies do "makes" or "make cleans"? 00:03:46 <Ammler> rephrase... 00:05:41 <Frankr> do they just "make" the grf meaning any past files are still being used, or does it "make clean" delete and then make fresh 00:05:53 <planetmaker> pulled. Wow, a lot of languages... 00:06:06 <planetmaker> Frankr: fresh 00:06:10 <Frankr> ok ty 00:06:22 <Frankr> that is good news 00:06:33 <Frankr> nightlies are completely fixed now then 00:07:00 *** welshdragon has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 00:10:25 <Ammler> Frankr: it does make a fresh clone for every new build 00:10:48 <Ammler> and removes the clone completely after building... 00:10:56 <Frankr> ok 00:11:22 <Frankr> Thanks, just faddy accidentally incorrectly named a few files 00:11:50 <Frankr> so the nightlies should be back working, hopefully 00:13:19 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenMSX - Revision 13: Change: Don't use capital letters in filenames. It causes trouble when Ope... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/openmsx/repository/revisions/13> || World Airliners Set - Revision 600: Alterations to B737-700 <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/600> || OpenGFX - Revision 304: -Update: Bulgarian, Chinese (Traditional), Croatian, Indonesian, Norwegia... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/304> || OpenSFX - Revision 73: -Update: Bulgarian, Chinese (Traditional), Croatian, Indonesian, Norwegian... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opensfx/repository/revisions/73> 00:21:37 <planetmaker> Rubidium: it must be another issue: http://paste.openttd.org/224988 and * Your Base Music pack has an obm file which doesn't define the md5 for 'modern_motion.mid'. 00:23:07 <Ammler> XeryusTC: dbg: [grf] [ogfx-debug.grf:3] NewSpriteGroup: No sprite set to work on! Skipping 00:23:12 <Rubidium> oh, yeah... that reminds me... it doesn't strip tabs 00:23:37 <XeryusTC> Ammler: add a action 1 in front of it then :P 00:23:43 <XeryusTC> that'll probably fix it :P 00:24:10 <Ammler> http://pastebin.ca/1812667 00:24:13 <Ammler> yes :-) 00:27:17 <planetmaker> hm, using no tabs in the obm file makes it look ugly 00:27:30 <Rubidium> just space align it 00:28:38 <Rubidium> with tabs it looks ugly too: http://paste.openttd.org/224994 00:28:40 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenMSX - Revision 14: Update: Changelog <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/openmsx/repository/revisions/14> 00:28:41 <Ammler> generally don't use tabs, use spaces... 00:29:29 <planetmaker> looks like a feature for > 0.1.0 00:29:34 <Ammler> :-) 00:29:56 <Rubidium> ieuw... 00:30:03 <Rubidium> md5list.py looks ugly 00:30:12 <Rubidium> tabs + spaces used for alignment 00:30:22 <Rubidium> with tab size 2 it looks just plain wrong! 00:30:48 <Rubidium> oh, it holds for all python files 00:31:52 <Ammler> XeryusTC: will you paste new code or do I need to investigate self? 00:32:00 <XeryusTC> hmm 00:32:11 <Ammler> http://pastebin.ca/1812667 00:33:26 <XeryusTC> the warnings seem to come from your escape :P 00:33:37 <XeryusTC> and you need an action 1:P 00:34:00 <Ammler> yes, will you show me? 00:34:12 * Ammler never did Action1/2/3 :-) 00:34:12 <Rubidium> planetmaker: http://paste.openttd.org/224995 solves the issue 00:34:19 <Rubidium> with the tabs I mean 00:35:00 <XeryusTC> 1 * 10 01 04 01 04 00:35:01 <planetmaker> he... :-) 00:35:03 <XeryusTC> for the action 1 00:35:13 <XeryusTC> or actually, change the last number to 01 :P 00:35:14 <planetmaker> A feature for > 0.1.0 00:35:26 <XeryusTC> and then add a bogus realsprite to a .pcx file 00:35:26 <planetmaker> thanks 00:35:41 <XeryusTC> 1 sprites/pcx/platforms.pcx 1 7 09 23 42 -9 -3 00:35:44 <XeryusTC> like that :P 00:40:00 <Ammler> but I don't need to add the real sprites of the base set? 00:40:49 <planetmaker> Rubidium: I guess I have no chance to test whether the version things work 00:41:12 <planetmaker> I'm most probable connected via a mirror to bananas - and those won't have OpenMSX so far, I assume 00:42:08 <Rubidium> planetmaker: mirrors are only used for the actual downloading 00:42:21 <Rubidium> I can see it in trunk, but also in 1.0 'head' 00:42:33 <planetmaker> hm... my r19268 doesn't show it... 00:42:47 <planetmaker> version is now 19258, so that should be expected 00:43:32 <Rubidium> planetmaker: "Musikset" 00:43:41 <planetmaker> ah, yes :-) 00:43:43 <Rubidium> i.e. inconsistent-ish translation 00:43:43 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenMSX - Revision 15: Change: Don't use tabs in the obm file. Bananas and tabs don't work <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/openmsx/repository/revisions/15> 00:43:55 <planetmaker> It's green in my case :-P That's why I missed it 00:44:06 <planetmaker> And I expected it to be in the same place as the other base sets 00:44:53 <Rubidium> doesn't show in r19155 of 1.0 00:45:23 <planetmaker> then bananas wants the usual svn revs. 00:45:56 <planetmaker> (which is IMO a good thing) 00:45:58 <Rubidium> so the minimum version has the wanted result 00:46:05 <planetmaker> yep 00:46:17 <planetmaker> Nice :-) 00:48:04 <planetmaker> hm... strange thing. 00:48:09 <Rubidium> as I said... works in 1.0 head, although technically it shouldn't. The behaviour seems fine to me (who uses the 1.0 branch?) 00:48:51 <planetmaker> I have OpenMSX nightly (r12) in gm and nothing else and OpenMSX still gets a green bullet in the content download. 00:49:12 <planetmaker> (and OpenGFX always non-existant, even though it exists in another dir) 00:49:21 <Rubidium> version and md5 checksums are probably the same 00:50:06 <planetmaker> 15 vs. 12 00:50:22 <Rubidium> hmm, maybe it doesn't even check the version; just the shortname and md5 checksum 00:50:30 <Rubidium> cause that's all what we have for NewGRFs 00:50:43 <Rubidium> yeah... think that's it 00:51:09 <planetmaker> that doesn't explain why I always can download OpenGFX 00:51:57 <Rubidium> it only retains information about the newest version in memory; you've probably have the nightly 00:52:06 <planetmaker> yes 00:52:25 <Rubidium> and so OpenTTD 'only' sees OpenGFX the nightly when it checks whether it has it 00:52:31 <planetmaker> But with OpenSFX it doesn't happen and I have there the nightly, too 00:53:01 <Rubidium> opensfx has no changed samples since 0.2.1, so no changed md5 checksum 00:53:32 <planetmaker> ah, that explains it. :-) 00:54:07 <planetmaker> still. If I select upgrades, it's not sensible to dl OpenGFX yet another time ;-) 00:54:42 <Rubidium> true, but should we make it a thousand times more complex and possibly more buggy just to please the very few that play with opengfx nightly? 00:54:56 <planetmaker> probably not 00:55:14 <Rubidium> or should we do a disk scan to determine whether you already have it? 00:55:48 <planetmaker> you do that anyway for the content_download 00:56:03 <planetmaker> checking the usual dirs 00:57:32 <Rubidium> we check at load time and ditch 'old' stuff immediately 00:59:09 <planetmaker> it's not re-scanned when the content download window is opened? 00:59:17 <Rubidium> no 00:59:27 <planetmaker> oh he... :-) 01:00:19 <planetmaker> but... the newgrf selection window uses that method. So possibly that could be "recycled". 01:00:44 <Rubidium> scanning on opening the window? 01:01:48 <planetmaker> would possibly be slow 01:01:52 <planetmaker> I know :-) 01:02:00 <Rubidium> that's not done anywhere 01:02:16 <Rubidium> for NewGRFs we just don't ditch 'old' versions because we don't have the concept of 'old' 01:02:21 <Rubidium> for NewGRFs 01:04:38 <planetmaker> well... why not offer different versions of base sets, too? 01:04:58 <Rubidium> confusion of noobs 01:05:10 <Rubidium> noobs using 'older' versions 01:05:13 <Rubidium> etc. 01:05:17 <planetmaker> confusion when they're versioned? 01:05:38 <Rubidium> I've got 20 OpenGFXes, which one do I need? 01:06:07 <planetmaker> the 21st of course ;-) 01:06:13 <Rubidium> and some corporations have been working hard on proving that a higher number doesn't mean a newer/better version 01:06:49 <Rubidium> especially when the version is '193' or '212' or .. (i.e. the hg revision) 01:11:11 <planetmaker> well... in hg it cannot, if you have diverging branches. 01:13:00 <planetmaker> also... was it you didn't want OpenMSX available in the head of the 1.0 branch? 01:14:06 <Rubidium> nah, current head is fine although it'll only start working 'right' from the next commit to the branch 01:14:40 <planetmaker> ok, no one uses that revision anyway 01:14:44 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenMSX - Revision 17: Change: Align names and md5sums nicely again (Rubidium) <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/openmsx/repository/revisions/17> || OpenMSX - Revision 16: Added tag 0.1.0 for changeset 83fe7ab8741c <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/openmsx/repository/revisions/16> 01:15:10 <Rubidium> exactly 01:19:02 <planetmaker> And now I think we deserve a nice nap :-) Thanks for all the help and explanations today and have a good night :-) 01:20:09 <Ammler> planetmaker: will you publish the bundle? 01:20:25 <planetmaker> src? 01:20:45 <planetmaker> or which? 01:20:58 <Ammler> well yes. 01:22:15 <Ammler> but tomorrow is early enough :-P 01:23:15 <planetmaker> I'll attach it to the tt-forums thread, too 01:23:24 <planetmaker> and tomorrow to the devzone. 01:24:14 <planetmaker> added 01:24:31 <Ammler> why to tt-forums? 01:24:38 <Ammler> well, nvm... 01:30:01 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 01:30:28 <planetmaker> also on bundles.openttdcoop now 01:32:37 <Ammler> :-) 01:32:41 <Ammler> thanks and good night 01:39:35 <planetmaker> good night to you, too :-) Sleep well. 01:45:47 <Ammler> he, preparing the spec 01:46:18 <Ammler> already first issue: needs hg? 02:31:46 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenMSX - Bug #759 (New): Building 0.1.0 <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/759> 02:47:49 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenMSX - Bug #759: Building 0.1.0 <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/759#change-2025> 04:08:52 *** welshdragon is now known as Guest65 04:09:00 *** welshdragon has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 04:47:21 *** welshdragon is now known as Guest67 04:47:29 *** welshdragon has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 05:04:41 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 05:28:12 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: World Airliners Set - Bug #212: Autorenew Reset Subtype to 0 <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/212#change-2026> 05:57:22 *** Frankr has quit IRC 06:14:51 *** welshdragon has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:12:39 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:36:28 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 589: Fix: Bauxite Mine wasn't defined as an extractive i... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/589> 07:52:33 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - 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Feature #761 (New): Recycling Plant and Junk Yard code needs devi... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/761> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #312: industry map colours <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/312#change-2032> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #310 (Closed): Breweries not built on hilly / mountainous maps <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/310#change-2031> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #310 (Resolved): Breweries not built on hilly / mountainous maps <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/310#change-2030> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #316: Conflicting industry types <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/316#change-2029> 08:24:20 *** ODM has quit IRC 08:45:16 *** V453000 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:56:40 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenMSX - Revision 18: Change: Rename 'Theme song' into 'Smooth groove' and update its music a bit <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/openmsx/repository/revisions/18> 09:28:28 <V453000> http://s393.photobucket.com/albums/pp16/V453000/?action=view¤t=LegoHousesTaster_01_zoom.png <- my new idea for a house set :) just a taster 09:28:29 <Webster> Title: Lego Houses picture by V453000 - Photobucket (at s393.photobucket.com) 09:28:30 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenMSX - Bug #759: Building 0.1.0 <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/759#change-2033> 09:34:08 <andythenorth> V453000: someone started a toyland replacement based on 'bricks' (don't call them Lego, it's a trademark, there lawyers are strict on this unfortunately) 09:34:24 <V453000> I see :) 09:35:06 <andythenorth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=34999&hilit=lego+toyland+brickland 09:35:08 <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums • View topic - [Big Project][32bpp] BrickLand Climate (at www.tt-forums.net) 09:56:56 *** yorick has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:01:18 *** welshdragon is now known as Guest90 10:01:26 *** welshdragon has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:01:43 *** Guest90 has quit IRC 11:39:45 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:40:19 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: 32bpp-extra - Revision 17: Codechange:speed up makefile, inspired by Yorick <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/32bpp-extra/repository/revisions/17> 12:40:43 <PeterT> yorick: ^ 12:40:52 <yorick> I know 12:41:34 <Ammler> planetmaker: why do I get the HG warning on MSX but don't on GFX? 12:43:47 <planetmaker> Ammler: dunno? Which warning? 12:44:39 <Ammler> /bin/sh: hg: command not found 12:44:51 <Ammler> http://obs.openttdcoop.org/specs/openttd-data-openmsx/log 12:47:25 <Ammler> http://obs.openttdcoop.org/specs/openttd-data-opengfx/log <-- doesn't have that warning 13:00:59 <Ammler> it fails building on old distros 13:02:34 <Ammler> http://pastebin.ca/1813381 13:03:15 <Ammler> ImportError: No module named subprocess 13:03:45 <Ammler> yorick: python guru, any idea? 13:09:48 <Ammler> might have something to do with "installing python-2.3.3-88.9" 13:13:33 <Ammler> planetmaker: if you like, there is a chroot on our server with SLES_9 13:14:08 <yorick> :/ 13:14:33 <Rubidium> Ammler: isn't one package more than enough? After all, it doesn't quite depend on python etc. 13:14:36 <yorick> do the distros have hg? 13:15:11 <Ammler> Rubidium: ? 13:15:54 <Ammler> you mean, why building on SLES_9 if you could use the rpm from SLE_10 ? 13:15:57 <Rubidium> Ammler: it's not that the package depends in libc version x, zlib version y, etc. that have different versions in different distros (and different versions thereof) 13:16:16 <Rubidium> Ammler: basically yes! 13:16:35 <yorick> Ammler: subprocess is new in 2.4 13:17:45 <Ammler> oh, I need to build openttd with timidity now 13:18:18 <Rubidium> timidity isn't needed at compile time 13:19:16 <Ammler> so I can add it with configure --with-timidity and do a require to the msx package? 13:21:08 <Rubidium> no need for that either 13:21:33 <Rubidium> it all goes via 'extmidi', i.e. simple call to timidity the application 13:31:54 * Rubidium wonders why mz.openttdcoop.org hosts a catcodec hg repository (especially an outdated one) 13:36:08 <Ammler> maybe that was from the time, where I didn't know about the source package on binaries... 13:36:13 <Ammler> I delete the repo 13:37:14 <Ammler> mz.openttdcoop.org/hg has a lot repos 13:37:30 <Ammler> not really meant to be a place to look for something... 13:38:15 <planetmaker> Hm, no? ;-) 13:42:06 <Ammler> maybe we should remove the index? 13:42:29 <Ammler> is there a place where it is linked? 13:42:37 <Rubidium> yes 13:42:47 <planetmaker> download.php 13:42:50 <planetmaker> IIRC 13:43:02 <Ammler> download.php? 13:43:18 <Rubidium> http://hyru.ath.cx:60080/~kenji/ottdcoop/devzonelogs/%23openttdcoop.devzone.2010-02-27.log.html <- okay, you have to wait a bit, but then it will be :) 13:43:51 <Ammler> he :-P 13:43:55 <Ammler> that doesn't count 13:44:07 * Ammler hates IRC logs anyway 13:44:31 <Ammler> (long time logs) 13:45:15 <yorick> Ammler: I used the index last week :P 13:45:18 <Ammler> @topic remove -2 13:45:23 <Ammler> @services op 13:45:23 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Webster 13:45:24 <Ammler> @topic remove -2 13:45:24 *** Webster changes topic to "Talk about things hosted and developed on http://dev.openttdcoop.org | Downloads log: http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/log.csv" 13:48:25 <Rubidium> http://www.google.com/#q=catcodec+site%3Amz.openttdcoop.org Q.E.D. :) 13:48:47 <Rubidium> google knows it, so it's linked somewhere 13:50:15 <Ammler> well, if some unofficial sources link it, I wouldn't care 13:51:55 <Ammler> http://www.google.com/search?as_lq=mz.openttdcoop.org%2Fhg 13:52:33 *** DJ_Nekkid has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:54:34 <planetmaker> Ammler: I have currently no idea where that hg warning in OpenMSX comes from. Can you tell? 13:55:53 <Ammler> well, it doesn't fail, I was just wondering, why the warning is there, but isn't in gfx 13:56:28 <Ammler> the warning about missing unix2dos is there for both 13:57:40 <planetmaker> yes... Make a ticket concerning unix2dos ;-) 13:58:22 <Ammler> as said, just a warning, I can life with it :-P 13:58:50 <planetmaker> :-P 13:58:54 <Ammler> better to have a warning on unix side and a working readme on windows 13:58:55 <planetmaker> yes, that's why 13:59:32 <Ammler> hmm, If I like to make a ticket about, where shall I? 13:59:50 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: 32bpp-extra - Revision 18: Add: Theatre (Antonio1984/Maquinista) <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/32bpp-extra/repository/revisions/18> 13:59:51 <planetmaker> he... good question. 14:00:14 <planetmaker> general newgrf 14:00:55 <planetmaker> but... why do we get a warning? unix2dos is installed on the server? 14:01:30 <Ammler> planetmaker: it does create a chroot 14:01:51 <Ammler> spaking about obs (opensuse build system) 14:02:30 <Ammler> or the debian maintainer 14:02:51 <Ammler> those shouldn't convert to dos 14:03:19 <Ammler> so my proposal would be to convert only on bundle_zip 14:11:26 <Ammler> Rubidium: the issue is, that different distro versions use different rpm versions 14:11:52 <Ammler> so a RPM made with Suse Factory doesn't need be installable on Suse 9 14:12:28 <Ammler> or suse rpm doesn't need to work on CentOS 14:14:55 <Ammler> might be the same on Debian, dunno... 14:14:58 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: 32bpp-extra - Bug #762 (New): Add ".directory" to you local ignore list <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/762> 14:37:34 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:43:44 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 15:48:16 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: 32bpp-extra - Bug #762: Add ".directory" to you local ignore list <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/762#change-2034> 15:48:57 *** welshdragon has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:15:53 <Ammler> planetmaker: https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/home/wiki/Hgignore <-- feel free to update :-) 16:17:24 <planetmaker> nice :-) 16:18:20 * yorick prefers shell expr 16:18:43 <yorick> glob 16:19:52 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: 32bpp-extra - Bug #762: Add ".directory" to you local ignore list <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/762#change-2035> 16:24:07 <Ammler> too many * on globs :-) 16:24:45 <Ammler> we could show both, feel free to add glob rules... 16:25:20 <Ammler> just be aware that glob needs init: syntax: glob 16:25:35 <Ammler> (regex is default) 16:27:05 <Ammler> planetmaker: is the difference I do right? repo <-> system ignore? 16:28:21 <planetmaker> ? 16:28:48 <Ammler> which rules to repo .hgignore, which rules to syste hgignore 16:29:20 <Ammler> (of course, it doesn't hurt to have "system" rules in the repo 16:29:40 <planetmaker> ah, you updated it ;-) 16:29:43 <planetmaker> yes, I think so. 16:30:04 <planetmaker> everything generated by make,... : repo .hgignore 16:30:12 <Ammler> yes 16:30:14 <planetmaker> everything by editor,...: system .hgignore 16:30:26 <Ammler> by editor and os 16:30:39 <Ammler> oh, you mean that with editor :-P 16:31:15 <planetmaker> though it doesn't hurt IMO to have some of the most common editor backup / whatever files in the repo's one, too 16:31:30 <planetmaker> But generally: it's no place there. If one wants to make such rule 16:32:02 <Ammler> if you do, comment it properly ;-) 17:11:30 <planetmaker> Ammler: can you give me a shell code which tells me whether unix2dos is available? 17:12:34 <planetmaker> otherwise I'll assumefor now that it exists and have the user define it as cat, if it doesn't ;-) 17:12:52 <yorick> which unix2dos && echo "yes" || echo "no" 17:13:41 <planetmaker> true. thanks :-) 17:13:46 <planetmaker> I always forget which 17:17:05 <Ammler> just to be sure, bundle_src doesn't run unix2dos? 17:19:01 <Ammler> the only thing it does is adding Makefile.local? 17:21:11 <planetmaker> yes 17:21:36 <planetmaker> otherwise it'd be a bug ;-) 17:22:01 <planetmaker> ok, now I'll test for unix2dos and use it, if found, otherwise I'll use cat 17:22:13 <planetmaker> can be overridden by Makefile.local defining unix2dos 17:22:21 <Ammler> what about the hg warnings? 17:22:30 <planetmaker> no idea yet 17:22:31 <Ammler> (version detection) 17:22:56 <planetmaker> Everything I said is true for the new Makefile I have here ;-) 17:23:05 <planetmaker> but which is nowhere :-P 17:23:06 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: 32bpp-extra - Bug #762 (Closed): Add ".directory" to you local ignore list <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/762#change-2036" target="_blank">http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/762#change-2036> || 32bpp-extra - Revision 19: Fix #762:Add some useful ignores <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/32bpp-extra/repository/revisions/19> || 32bpp-extra - Bug #762 (Closed): Add ".directory" to you local ignore list <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/762> 17:23:46 <planetmaker> actually bundle_src will then work better and really pack the whole repo 17:24:06 <planetmaker> thus our source will get much bigger, I think. Afaik many things have been left out so far. 17:24:20 <Ammler> he geektoo didn't get it 17:24:22 <planetmaker> only the very essential things have been in bundle_src, not the 'source' images 17:24:36 <Rubidium> just replace 'hg' with ':' or so 17:24:49 <Rubidium> in the source bundle 17:24:50 <Ammler> || : 17:24:57 <planetmaker> ah... you mean in the source bundle? 17:25:05 <planetmaker> that wasn't clear to me ;-) 17:27:02 <Ammler> planetmaker: don't pack the whole repo to src 17:27:08 <planetmaker> why not? 17:27:09 <Ammler> that is the point about it, imo 17:27:23 <Ammler> for example extra in opengfx 17:28:00 <Ammler> else we could use the tar.gz from hg 17:28:25 <planetmaker> hm 17:28:44 <Ammler> hmm, the version 17:28:46 <planetmaker> you tell me now? ;-) 17:50:54 *** Thomas__ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:52:33 <planetmaker> wow. tripple presence ;-) 17:57:22 *** DJ_Nekkid has quit IRC 18:00:48 *** Thomas__ is now known as DJ_Nekkid 18:09:18 <Ammler> DJ_Nekkid: or DJNekkid: the offer for bouncer stays, just tell... 18:09:39 <DJ_Nekkid> yea... i know, but _usually_ i dont need such 18:09:54 <DJ_Nekkid> we just had a powersurge yesterday, and the modem did get a reset at home 18:10:14 <DJ_Nekkid> and because its kinda crappy, some of its settings isnt saved 18:10:21 <DJ_Nekkid> among them, port forwarding 18:10:45 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: 32bpp-extra - Bug #762 (Reopened): Add ".directory" to you local ignore list <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/762#change-2037" target="_blank">http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/762#change-2037> || 2cc train set - Revision 465: Fix: Include paths are relative to where they are used <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/465> || 32bpp-extra - Bug #762 (Reopened): Add ".directory" to you local ignore list <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/762> 18:10:53 <DJ_Nekkid> and thus i cant access the VNC from the "outside" 18:11:20 <Ammler> vnc to linux is silly from everywhere :-) 18:11:30 <DJ_Nekkid> why= 18:11:31 <DJ_Nekkid> ? 18:11:47 <Ammler> there are better remote deskop systems... 18:12:08 <DJ_Nekkid> there might :) 18:12:23 <Ammler> _are_ :-P 18:12:49 <DJ_Nekkid> now i am completely in deep watered terrain, and know little or nothing about other systems 18:12:54 <DJ_Nekkid> but what makes them better or worse? 18:13:23 <Ammler> for example nx 18:13:41 <Ammler> better quality for less traffic 18:14:02 <DJ_Nekkid> i tried to install that nx-thingy, but it didnt work... 18:14:03 <DJ_Nekkid> hehe 18:14:22 <DJ_Nekkid> and with my limited linux experience i didnt know how to solve it 18:15:58 <DJ_Nekkid> but i can try again when i get home tormorrow :) 18:17:01 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 18:18:34 <Ammler> if you have good bandwith, you could make ssh tunnel for vnc 18:21:56 <DJ_Nekkid> got 1mbit upload at home 18:21:57 <planetmaker> I don't. 18:22:13 <planetmaker> 1MBit down, 128kBit up 18:25:03 <Ammler> DJ_Nekkid: then you should be able to make vnc also from outside 18:25:16 <DJ_Nekkid> i already am 18:25:22 <DJ_Nekkid> but as i saied 18:25:27 <DJ_Nekkid> my modem did reset yesterday 18:26:18 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: 2cc train set - Revision 466: Cleanup: Don't treat the main source file specially <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/466> || 32bpp-extra - Revision 20: Add:Tramtracks (Maquinista, Ben Robbins) <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/32bpp-extra/repository/revisions/20> 18:37:57 <planetmaker> DJ_Nekkid: I played a bit around with the Makefile. No changes really, but please tell, if I messed up ;-) 18:38:26 <DJ_Nekkid> oki... 18:38:27 <planetmaker> well. One change: 2cctrainset.pnfo is like all other pnfo files now and no special treatment anymore. 18:38:39 <planetmaker> thus #include "blubber.pnfo" isntead of blubber.pnfo 18:38:55 <DJ_Nekkid> oki :) 18:39:12 <planetmaker> that simplifies things a bit and makes it somewhat less error-prone 18:41:09 <DJ_Nekkid> okidoki :) 18:42:06 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: 2cc train set - Revision 467: Fix [Makefile]: '.' has a special meaning in regex... escape it <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/467> 18:51:47 *** DJ_Nekkid has quit IRC 18:51:58 *** Thomas__ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:52:11 *** Thomas__ is now known as DJ__Nekkid 18:55:50 *** DJ__Nekkid has quit IRC 18:56:28 *** DJ_Nekkid has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:11:16 <DJ_Nekkid> planetmaker: could you "make" me a 2cc-grf and pm it on tt-forums? 19:11:29 <DJ_Nekkid> i dont have a compile enviroment set up on this pc 19:11:37 <DJ_Nekkid> nor HG 19:12:00 <planetmaker> does the last nightly suffice? Then get that ;-) 19:12:19 <planetmaker> or did much change since 18:18h today? 19:12:25 <DJ_Nekkid> doh 19:12:32 <DJ_Nekkid> *smack head into wall* 19:12:53 <planetmaker> well... yes, I fixed the the template inclusion error. So the purchase costs are broken in the nightly 19:13:28 <planetmaker> but the template is still broken itself... so not much change actually 19:15:38 <DJ_Nekkid> hmm... 19:15:46 <DJ_Nekkid> why is 464 costs broken? 19:16:15 <planetmaker> parameter size for the action2(?) or callback is broken 19:16:21 <planetmaker> the sprites are 4 bytes too small 19:17:10 <planetmaker> so... I dunno if it actually works or not. 19:17:27 <DJ_Nekkid> wanna make 467 and send? 19:17:29 <DJ_Nekkid> and i'll test 19:20:24 <planetmaker> http://paste.openttd.org/225055 <-- those things. 19:21:02 <planetmaker> oh... I see it now. It's a broken define... 19:21:39 <DJ_Nekkid> railbusses probably dont have purchase list texts 19:22:14 <planetmaker> so nothing too difficult to fix, I guess 19:22:26 <DJ_Nekkid> nope... 19:22:29 <planetmaker> I feared it was a parameter size issue 19:22:39 <planetmaker> that'd be bad 19:23:45 <DJ_Nekkid> either way... a make of r467 would be cool, and i'll playtest it 19:23:54 <DJ_Nekkid> i RARELY use railbusses anyway 19:24:37 <DJ_Nekkid> got 2hrs to Gig-time anyway :) 19:25:56 <DJ_Nekkid> and 2cc + cargodist + modded early houses is fun :) 19:26:09 <planetmaker> sending 19:26:10 <Ammler> early houses? 19:26:27 <DJ_Nekkid> your version have half pax upto 1900 or something 19:26:42 <DJ_Nekkid> the modded version in the tt-forums thread have that forever(ish) 19:26:50 <planetmaker> set 19:26:52 <planetmaker> *sent 19:28:18 <DJ_Nekkid> wee! 19:31:55 <DJ_Nekkid> hmm 19:32:03 <DJ_Nekkid> that error apperently wont load the set... 19:32:05 <DJ_Nekkid> bah :) 19:32:21 <DJ_Nekkid> guess i'll need to fix that tomorrow 19:32:52 <andythenorth> hi hi 19:37:28 <Ammler> DJ_Nekkid: you could code a station grf in the 2 hours ;-) 19:37:52 <Ammler> a grf which reuses the ttd base sprites 19:37:54 <DJ_Nekkid> i've never tried that... 19:38:48 <Ammler> well, that is why you need an hour 19:38:55 <Ammler> else you could do it in 2 mins ;-) 19:39:19 <DJ_Nekkid> thanx! :D 19:39:33 <DJ_Nekkid> pm me the sprites, and i'll try? 19:39:37 <DJ_Nekkid> or upload somewhere 19:39:45 <Ammler> sprites? 19:39:58 <Ammler> opengfx 19:39:59 <DJ_Nekkid> wont i need sprites to make a station? 19:40:16 <Ammler> I like to place the houses like stations 19:40:56 <DJ_Nekkid> i.e. tiles you cant drive into= 19:40:58 <DJ_Nekkid> ? 19:41:06 <planetmaker> Ammler: didn't XTC make one?+ 19:41:19 <Ammler> he showed me pieces of 19:41:33 <Ammler> wasn't able to make a grf with 19:41:36 <DJ_Nekkid> or do you mean like overpasses? 19:41:47 <DJ_Nekkid> well... 19:41:51 <DJ_Nekkid> subway stations :) 19:41:52 <Ammler> non-track tiles 19:41:59 <Ammler> all 19:42:09 <Ammler> just for debuging 19:42:40 <planetmaker> Ammler: maybe as rail sprite? 19:42:49 <planetmaker> :-D 19:42:56 <planetmaker> then you don't have to deal with station code 19:43:06 <Ammler> new rail type, indeed :-) 19:43:09 <planetmaker> the new auto-house feature ;-) 19:43:39 <planetmaker> in one direction it looks like a rail, in the other like a shopping mall 19:45:42 <DJ_Nekkid> if renum supported it... 19:45:43 <DJ_Nekkid> *sigh* 19:46:08 <Ammler> DJNekkid: how do you reuse ttd sprites? 19:46:09 <planetmaker> Ammler: honestly: just replace one of the rail sprites with a house 19:46:20 <Ammler> planetmaker: show me your code 19:46:34 <planetmaker> or the light house 19:46:49 <Ammler> planetmaker: debug is quite useless, if I need to fiddle with real sprites :-P 19:46:51 <planetmaker> I don't have any :-) 19:47:02 <DJ_Nekkid> Ammler: decode a set and use normal action1-2-3 19:47:17 <Ammler> DJ_Nekkid: also possible, show me how? 19:47:42 <Ammler> DJ_Nekkid: you know what I want? 19:47:55 <planetmaker> difficult... :-) 19:48:11 <DJ_Nekkid> nontrack tiles with house gfx+ 19:48:12 <DJ_Nekkid> ? 19:48:32 <Ammler> mainly I just like to place base sprites manually 19:48:44 <Ammler> like manual scenario mode :-) 19:49:17 <Ammler> I thought, that is the easiest do make those non-track station tiles 19:49:39 <Ammler> we could also paste the real sprites from the nfo 19:49:49 <planetmaker> hm... reverse action A ;-) 19:50:04 <Ammler> as long as we don't need to fiddle with offsets 19:50:20 <Ammler> the real sprites needs to stay untouched 19:50:27 <planetmaker> I guess the only easy way is to copy&paste the real sprites 19:50:39 <planetmaker> into the newgrf 19:50:40 <Ammler> yes 19:50:43 <Ammler> fine with 19:50:45 <Ammler> me 19:51:11 <planetmaker> fine with one sprite per time? 19:51:19 <Ammler> I could make a script for that 19:51:29 <Ammler> I just need a kind of template 19:52:36 <Ammler> I guess, I checkout a grf from maguista 19:52:43 <Ammler> he did something similar once 19:53:06 *** Frankr has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:54:27 <DJ_Nekkid> well, all you need is a single action0, single action1-3 19:56:08 <Ammler> curling is THRILLER! 19:56:25 <Ammler> sweden trashed last stone 19:56:36 <Ammler> now Swiss has bronze in the hand 19:57:41 <Ammler> 1mm :-D 19:58:02 <DJ_Nekkid> Ammler: "With bit 31 set, this sprite will refer to a TTD sprite, not the action 1 sprite." 19:58:36 <Ammler> yes, could you show me a template :-) 19:58:45 <Ammler> I never did something with Action1/2/3 19:59:06 <Ammler> BRONZE! :-D 19:59:54 <Ammler> now, Norway is going for Gold :-) 19:59:55 <DJ_Nekkid> but you dont need action1-2-3 (it seems) 20:00:06 <planetmaker> you need 1 20:00:10 <DJ_Nekkid> sweeden vs you in the bronze? 20:00:23 <DJ_Nekkid> and you win? 20:00:27 <DJ_Nekkid> thats golden! 20:00:29 <Ammler> DJ_Nekkid: yes, we won with last stone closer 1mm :-) 20:00:56 <DJ_Nekkid> thats just like the 2002 or 2006 norway vs canada final 20:01:04 <DJ_Nekkid> we won over them by a fingernail 20:01:17 <DJ_Nekkid> and canada had the last stone in the 10th end 20:01:21 <Ammler> well, else we would get a 11th end 20:01:49 <Ammler> but our womens lost against china 20:02:32 <DJ_Nekkid> speaking of that... 20:02:39 <DJ_Nekkid> why isnt curling a mixed sport? 20:02:54 <DJ_Nekkid> are men "better" then women at it? 20:02:57 <Ammler> yes 20:03:28 <Ammler> :-) 20:03:36 <DJ_Nekkid> seriously? 20:03:55 <DJ_Nekkid> and now im talking in general 20:04:01 <Ammler> they can make shooters to make 4-take-out and souch 20:04:13 <DJ_Nekkid> and why cant women do that? 20:04:23 <Ammler> less power 20:04:28 <DJ_Nekkid> i mean, its a precicion sport, not power 20:05:01 <Ammler> well, the co-commenter on our tv was a ex curling women and told that 20:05:09 <DJ_Nekkid> oki... :) 20:05:16 <DJ_Nekkid> then its setteled :) 20:05:17 <DJ_Nekkid> hehe 20:05:23 <DJ_Nekkid> i've just been wondering on this... 20:05:26 *** yorick has quit IRC 20:05:41 <Ammler> well, maybe only on olympic level 20:05:44 <DJ_Nekkid> and i could not see a single reason why they could not have 2men+2women 20:05:58 <Ammler> DJ_Nekkid: that should work 20:06:09 <DJ_Nekkid> and, a fit women is way stronger then me either way 20:06:18 <Ammler> of course :-) 20:06:33 <Rubidium> aren't women culturally more "adapted" to a "broom"? 20:06:36 <DJ_Nekkid> and im no wimp as such 20:06:49 <Ammler> you aren't? 20:06:55 <Rubidium> so because the women are better the men get they own league! 20:07:23 <Ammler> :-) 20:07:27 <DJ_Nekkid> good point Rubidium :) 20:07:47 <DJ_Nekkid> 185cm tall, around 85kg... 20:07:56 <DJ_Nekkid> got a partially physical job 20:07:56 <Ammler> the women told, they would maybe win 1-2 ends 20:08:44 <Rubidium> getting coffee for the boss? 20:09:01 <Ammler> which is a women 20:18:47 <DJ_Nekkid> wee! 20:18:51 <DJ_Nekkid> forked fixed my modem! 20:18:55 <DJ_Nekkid> (he works for my ISP) 20:19:10 *** DJ_Nekkid has quit IRC 20:30:42 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: 32bpp-extra - Bug #762: Add ".directory" to you local ignore list <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/762#change-2038> 20:32:15 <DJNekkid> huh? i didnt think the 30/50km had skichange! 20:36:40 <Ammler> DJNekkid: any code? 20:37:02 <DJNekkid> for the station? 20:37:08 <Ammler> yes :-P 20:37:15 <DJNekkid> didnt try... 20:37:20 <Ammler> :'-( 20:46:45 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Comic Style Houses - Revision 69: Doc: some small code comments and two houses sprites massaged a... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/comic-houses/repository/revisions/69> || 2cc train set - Revision 468: Fix: the railbus-problem after pcost moved out of templates <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/468> 20:52:04 <planetmaker> Ammler: I haven't quite tested it, but it *should* do the work: http://pastebin.ca/1814639 20:52:36 <planetmaker> chose instead of \w1520 any sprite number you want to replace 20:53:02 <planetmaker> in the following line add your "real sprite" so to say, with the same offsets etc pp 20:58:44 <planetmaker> http://pastebin.ca/1814643 <-- that's the shorter version. Removed all version check stuff 20:59:14 <Ammler> yeah, ActionA, if all other fails... 21:02:23 <Ammler> I guess, I found the grf... 21:03:22 <planetmaker> you need to find a proper sprite number to replace. 1520 is no in particular, I don't know which 21:03:28 <Ammler> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=796838#p796838 21:03:30 <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums • View topic - [32bpp] Extra zoom levels Graphics (at www.tt-forums.net) 21:06:34 <Ammler> that grf looks a bit complicated 21:14:31 <DJNekkid> not that MaritBjørgen is ultrafeminine, but that Kowalzyk looks like a man! 21:20:04 <Ammler> grf ready? :-P 21:50:29 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: 32bpp-extra - Bug #762: Add ".directory" to you local ignore list <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/762#change-2039> 22:32:14 * DJNekkid is gig'ing :) 22:42:02 * planetmaker giggles 22:55:42 * Frankr joins in 22:59:51 * DJNekkid had a great idea inbetween some mixes regarding the dutch/bros/other similar sets' code :D 23:00:35 <DJNekkid> well, the idea is actually andythenorths , but that doesnt matter :) He just doesnt know it 23:01:28 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: can you record your stuff as midi actually? 23:04:51 <DJNekkid> mp3? 23:05:08 <planetmaker> nope, midi :-) 23:05:29 <Frankr> lol 23:05:31 <DJNekkid> no, but my mixer supports midi-kommands to a compyter if needed 23:05:43 <Frankr> so it can go into openttd 23:05:54 <planetmaker> does that mean it could write that to a midi file? 23:06:03 <planetmaker> :-D @ Frankr :-) 23:06:11 <Frankr> :p 23:06:29 <planetmaker> seems I'm too obvious ;-) 23:06:46 <planetmaker> 46 downloads from bananas so far 23:07:19 <planetmaker> 15k OpenGFX 0.2.1 downloads 23:07:42 <DJNekkid> 50k 2cc set dls :P 23:07:58 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: for all versions OpenGFX has 78k ;-) 23:08:08 <DJNekkid> blablabla:P 23:08:19 <planetmaker> and even my silly Mars elevation model has 25k... 23:08:23 <Rubidium> 7,441,612 total downloads 23:08:25 <Ammler> then 50k is huge 23:08:43 <Frankr> :) 23:09:02 <planetmaker> Rubidium: is that number shown there still correct, given the mirrors? 23:09:24 <Rubidium> yes-ish 23:09:43 <Rubidium> although the number has always been the upper bound; if a download isn't finished it's still counted 23:10:11 <planetmaker> right 23:10:19 <Rubidium> it's the 'downloads requested' count 23:10:59 <planetmaker> any handle on the successful download ratio? 23:11:07 <planetmaker> as a rough guestimate? 23:11:25 <Rubidium> msys/mingw serious should research speeding up stuff 23:11:33 <Rubidium> planetmaker: nope, can't give a guestimate 23:12:00 <planetmaker> yeah... msys/mingw wasn't the fastest compiler around... 23:12:21 <Rubidium> especially autoconf is *slow* 23:13:04 <planetmaker> I always attributed it to it running in a VM, though 23:13:19 <planetmaker> I have no native windows experience with it. 23:41:59 <Ammler> planetmaker: how stable is current firs nightly? 23:42:07 <Ammler> or andythenorth ^ 23:42:30 <Ammler> (is it playable?) 23:42:37 <Rubidium> lovely... lzo configures&compiles in 38 seconds, still needs already more than 38 minutes on mingw in virtualbox 23:43:47 <planetmaker> :-O 23:44:00 <planetmaker> Ammler: in principle yes 23:44:15 <planetmaker> I played with one a few revs earlier and it was quite nice 23:44:28 <planetmaker> few = ~10 23:45:36 <Ammler> then I bananas it 23:45:44 <planetmaker> k 23:45:59 <Ammler> (still hidden) 23:46:19 <Ammler> but the current nightly on bananas is quite old 23:46:20 <planetmaker> yes, then it's fine anyway 23:47:12 *** ODM has quit IRC 23:47:25 <Ammler> oh, now the gcc33 patch strikes back :-) 23:48:54 <Rubidium> yay... lzo compiled! 23:49:27 <Rubidium> 47 minutes 23:52:31 <Ammler> planetmaker: you guys are aware that firs doesn't compile without errors? 23:52:58 <planetmaker> hm, not quite? 23:53:21 <Ammler> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/nightlies/firs.nfo <-- #2850 23:56:33 <planetmaker> hm... make a ticket please 23:56:47 <planetmaker> iirc that's new 23:59:50 <Ammler> why do we need a ticket, the logs should be clear...