Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 3rd March 2010:
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00:02:08  <PeterT> Thanks, Ammler
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00:40:25  <Yexo> I tried to register at, registration seemed to work but now it says "Invalid user or password" when I try to login
00:40:40  <Yexo> is there a confirmation email or something like that?
00:42:52  <PeterT> Yes
00:43:03  <PeterT> there should be a confirmation email
00:43:24  <Yexo> ok, thanks
00:43:28  <Yexo> I'll wait a bit longer then
00:51:09  <PeterT> not sure, is there a "re-send confirmation email" button somewhere?
00:52:47  <Yexo> I just got it, I was a bit impatient :p
00:54:28  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: #openttdcoop - Membership #772 (New): Applying for project: Climate dependent airports <>
00:56:11  <PeterT> Yexo: hehe, it worked ^ :-)
01:26:37  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Nutracks - Revision 20: Fix: Defines have to start with letters, not numbers <> || Nutracks - Revision 19: Fix: Remove those preprocessor lines which confuse renum <>
01:28:51  <planetmaker> Rejoice DJNekkid
01:29:16  <planetmaker> All errors concerning #define, Makefile, #include are now fixed
01:29:25  <planetmaker> And we still get the happy renum assertion
01:30:12  <planetmaker> Yexo: still around?
01:31:20  <planetmaker> well. ping me tomorrow at a more convenient time so that we can get the airport newgrf started.
01:31:37  <planetmaker> tomorrow=after sleep :-P
01:42:49  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: #openttdcoop - Membership #772 (Confirmed): Applying for project: Climate dependent airports <" target="_blank">> || Nutracks - Revision 21: Fix: Missed one 120R->R120 renaming <> || #openttdcoop - Membership #772 (Confirmed): Applying for project: Climate dependent airports <>
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01:58:52  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Example NewGRF Project - Revision 44: Fix: preprocessing left unwanted lines in the files <>
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08:40:51  <DJNekkid> hey planetmaker thanx for the update... "good" to see you also have the assert...
08:41:12  <planetmaker> no problem
08:42:35  <planetmaker> the problem with the #... lines was that I absolutely missed a) that I explicitly removed them in the previous makefile version and b) absolutely missed those lines when I checked the NFO files
08:42:46  <planetmaker> and I did the latter
08:42:48  <DJNekkid> hehe :)
08:42:57  <DJNekkid> shit happens!
08:43:00  <planetmaker> yup
08:43:08  <planetmaker> :-)
08:43:11  <DJNekkid> we all do mistakes ... unless you are dead
08:43:30  <planetmaker> Other than that: nothing of what I said yesterday was wrong either ;-)
08:43:45  <planetmaker> I renamed also all those defines
08:43:51  <planetmaker> and fixed some include paths
08:43:58  <DJNekkid> goodie :D
08:44:37  <DJNekkid> either way, i gotta run again... i just had to warm my feet in the car a few minutes... but:
08:44:42  <planetmaker> I haven't looked: in the template the R120 rail type is mentioned explicitly. Is that intended?
08:44:55  <DJNekkid> well, yes ...
08:45:09  <DJNekkid> its not finished yet, and i've done it that way until it works as intended
08:45:17  <planetmaker> ok, just asking. I didn't have much chance to look at the code in more detail and wondered
08:45:27  <DJNekkid> np! :D
08:45:29  <planetmaker> I thought so much :-)
08:45:45  <DJNekkid> but... i see there are a patch for renum in the renum-thread
08:45:53  <DJNekkid> how do i get a new renum' made?
08:46:12  <planetmaker> same way as this project: 'make' ;-)
08:46:19  <DJNekkid> hehe
08:46:25  <planetmaker> if you have the svn checkout of the repo of renum
08:46:31  <planetmaker> and boost installed
08:46:31  <DJNekkid> i dont :)
08:47:17  <planetmaker> both is feasable and not more difficult to setup things you require to run any of these repos here.
08:47:24  <planetmaker> But you need svn instead of hg.
08:47:33  <planetmaker> and boost. A big chunky library
08:48:05  <DJNekkid> i guess i'll look into it when im done at work today
08:49:16  <planetmaker> I'll see whether and what it fixes :-)
08:51:12  <planetmaker> hm... there IS an update. I wonder what it fixes. Maybe the crash
08:52:12  <planetmaker> oh, btw: make remake still works ;-)
08:52:21  <planetmaker> I didn't actually remove it... :-P
08:53:09  <planetmaker> hm, no, r2604 doesn't fix the crash
08:53:25  <DJNekkid> but the applied patch ?
08:53:43  <DJNekkid> (last post from peter in the renum tt-thread)
08:53:46  <planetmaker> testing now
08:54:00  <planetmaker> yexo's patch I assume?
08:55:49  <planetmaker> well. that fixes the crash at least and removes many warnings
08:59:43  <DJNekkid> cool
08:59:44  <planetmaker> <-- DJNekkid
08:59:54  <DJNekkid> wanna upload that renum somewhere? :)
09:00:10  <planetmaker> Actually: no. You need MacOS 10.6 ;-)
09:00:36  <DJNekkid> bah
09:01:23  <Ammler> good morning, quite active already :-P
09:04:14  <planetmaker> good morning Ammler :-)
09:04:56  <Ammler> why is the patch not applied to trunk?
09:05:32  <planetmaker> because the banana is yellow. Or so ;-)
09:06:03  <DJNekkid> hey ... i just had an GREAT idea...
09:06:05  <planetmaker> (I wonder, too) But probably DaleSTan hasn't gotten around to looking at renum again
09:06:32  <Ammler> ok, I could let obs apply it and build with it.
09:06:51  <Ammler> so I have a centos rpm ;-)
09:06:52  <DJNekkid> what abot a railtype that cost 0, but nothing can drive on it, and it probably should have "inproper" gfx as well...
09:06:55  <DJNekkid> called "planned"
09:06:59  <DJNekkid> (or something)
09:07:06  <DJNekkid> then, one can use the convert tool
09:07:14  <DJNekkid> to actually build it!
09:07:19  <planetmaker> nice idea :-)
09:07:44  <DJNekkid> it _will_ cost 20 per tile tho (buldoze)
09:07:49  <planetmaker> yup
09:08:03  <planetmaker> and 1/tile as 0/tile is not allowed IIRC
09:08:04  <Ammler> DJNekkid: you really like to make railtypes which costs 20k?
09:08:21  <DJNekkid> Ammler: 25 actually...
09:08:35  <DJNekkid> but yes...
09:08:45  <DJNekkid> at the maglev-stage of a game one usually have HEEPS of cash
09:09:29  <DJNekkid> planetmaker: 1/tile huh?
09:10:23  <DJNekkid> either way, i gotta run again... i just had to share the idea :D
09:11:44  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Nutracks - Bug #773 (New): renum errors <>
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09:21:27  <Rubidium> free unuseable rail?
09:22:17  <Rubidium> i.e. cheap land buying?
09:23:36  <DJNekkid> ehm i guess
09:24:25  <Doorslammer> *facedesk*
09:24:36  <Doorslammer> I cant leave anyone alone with anything it seems
09:29:45  <Ammler> he you would need a parameter to disable it, else it isn't MP " safe":-)
09:35:14  <planetmaker> Rubidium, yes :-)
09:35:31  <planetmaker> Would make sense for planning ahead and so on.
09:35:42  <planetmaker> Though... sometimes foundations and stuff might be the bigger thing
09:35:44  <planetmaker> And bridges
09:35:54  <planetmaker> It will need testing wrt its usefulness.
09:36:57  <planetmaker> Ammler, why isn't a virtually 0€ rail MP safe?
09:37:20  <Ammler> because you can quite cheap block others
09:37:59  <planetmaker> Just buy the land. Just as cheap
09:38:09  <planetmaker> 1€/tile cheaper
10:15:55  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Example NewGRF Project - Revision 45: Change: simplify retrieval of repo information by using hg id <>
10:42:01  <Ammler> why not just using the + instead the M?
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11:40:33  <Yexo> planetmaker: ping
11:42:42  <DJNekkid> pong :ØP
11:43:21  <planetmaker> Yexo, pong
11:44:25  <planetmaker> Question mostly is: What shall be the name (shown on the DevZone) and the identifier which best IMO matches the reponame
11:44:45  <planetmaker> Like newgrfairport
11:44:57  <planetmaker> or alike. Dunno. Depends a bit on how you want to put the emphasis
11:45:05  <Yexo> something like climdep_airport?
11:45:26  <planetmaker> ok
11:47:28  <planetmaker> are you sure you don't want to extend it at some stage to something more than just climate dependance? ;-)
11:47:41  <Yexo> hmm
11:47:46  <Yexo> no
11:47:51  <Ammler> !s/_/-/ ;-)
11:47:55  <Yexo> as in, maybe I do want to extend it
11:48:49  <Yexo> but if so, only to add alternative airport graphics
11:49:23  <Ammler> newairports :-P
11:49:45  <planetmaker> Yexo, yes, but that's why I'm asking, maybe chosing a bit more generic name ;-)
11:49:52  <planetmaker> Also it seems the identifier cannot have _
11:49:58  <Yexo> yes, that's a good idae indeed
11:50:45  <planetmaker> airportsplus ?
11:50:55  <Yexo> that's fine :)
11:51:22  <planetmaker> project created
11:51:36  <planetmaker> mercurial project?
11:51:41  <Yexo> yes
11:52:03  <Yexo> and I'd like to make use of your makefile system too
11:52:09  <planetmaker> sure, no problem
11:52:37  <planetmaker> shall I create a project and make the makefile an initial commit or do you have already a repo and want to clone it to the server?
11:52:50  <Yexo> I already have a repo
11:52:59  <Yexo> Made the first inital commits yesterday
11:53:41  <planetmaker> ok, then hg clone . ssh:// should do the trick
11:53:46  <planetmaker> for you
11:55:44  <planetmaker> In the listing on the DevZone it currently is named "Climate dependant airports". But that is something which you can change. The identifier airportsplus is fixed - and for the ease of maintaining the DevZone I recommend to use that dir name on our server when cloning ;-)
11:56:10  <Yexo> planetmaker: did the rsa-key of the server change?
11:56:18  <V453000> pm: the lighthouse doesnt need "construction stages", right? :D
11:56:24  <planetmaker> V453000, no
11:56:29  <V453000> yeah :)
11:56:39  <planetmaker> hm... @ Yexo
11:56:54  <Yexo> 5f:2c:03:02:ff:02:e8:2b:7e:7a:a1:a3:9d:bd:f0:e7 <- is that the correct fingerprint?
11:57:02  <V453000> just asking ... not sure whether you arent insane enough to make lighthouses randomly spawn :D
11:57:28  <Ammler> planetmaker: maybe I locked the key from Yexo?
11:58:05  <planetmaker> you didn't.
11:58:10  <Yexo> Ammler: the problem is that ssh is giving a shitload of warnings about a changed rsa key and doesn't want to connect
11:58:11  <planetmaker> Where again was our fingerprint list, Ammler ?
11:58:13  <Ammler> he should have full access already as the h2h server is there too
11:58:22  <Ammler> Yexo: we changed the server
11:58:24  <Yexo> so I removed the old keys, but want to check if this is the correct fingerprint before adding it
11:58:29  <Ammler> you need to update known_hosts
11:58:34  <Ammler> (new IP)
11:59:04  <Yexo> planetmaker: could you co a hg init in that directory for me?
11:59:09  <planetmaker> sure
11:59:20  <planetmaker> but if you clone the repo it's not needed.
11:59:27  <Ammler> 2048 c5:ac:5d:f1:1d:6f:a3:4a:7b:72:f9:0a:d9:ad:66:8c (RSA)
11:59:32  <planetmaker> as you did init on your place
11:59:41  <Yexo> ah, ok
11:59:42  <Ammler> Yexo: seems not
12:00:01  <planetmaker> Ammler, no, our server's ssh key
12:00:02  <planetmaker> not his
12:00:15  <Ammler>
12:00:38  <Yexo> ok :)
12:00:41  <planetmaker> then it's the correct server, Yexo ^
12:01:13  <Yexo> yep
12:01:17  <Yexo> and cloned the repo now too
12:01:47  <planetmaker> Do you want nightlies built
12:01:48  <planetmaker> ?
12:02:03  <Yexo> if possible, yes please
12:02:51  <planetmaker> does the repo already contain the Makefile(s)?
12:02:59  <Yexo> yes
12:03:09  <planetmaker> the old or the new version? ;-)
12:03:18  <Yexo> I copied it from firs
12:03:19  <planetmaker> I heavily modified them the last days.
12:03:29  <planetmaker> should be fine
12:03:35  <Ammler> Yexo: we need a target bundle_zip
12:03:56  <Ammler> ah ok
12:04:04  <planetmaker> Except firs (as all others except nutracks and the newgrf_makefile contain a bug currently :-P
12:04:36  <Yexo> oh :(
12:04:41  <Yexo> well it works fine locally
12:04:44  <Yexo> but I didn't test it much
12:04:56  <Yexo> ls
12:04:58  <planetmaker> Well. the nfo probably contains lines starting with '#'
12:05:07  <planetmaker> which need to be removed
12:05:27  <planetmaker> I forgot to add that grep -v '^#' in the preprocessing step
12:05:45  <planetmaker> but it's an easy fix
12:06:09  <planetmaker> and fixed already in two repos. And with the new system one can copy verbatim every makefile except the Makefile.config
12:06:14  <Yexo> there might be more problems with the nfo, renum doesn't know yet about action 11
12:06:15  <planetmaker> as they are meant to be the same
12:06:31  <planetmaker> yes, I know. But that *should* work, if one uses your anti-crash-fix
12:06:48  <planetmaker> which unfortunately is still not commited :-(
12:06:56  <Yexo> it does, but it means I get no useful errors about action 0 problems
12:07:06  <planetmaker> yes :S
12:07:30  <Ammler> maybe make a "special" renum-hack binary?
12:07:54  <planetmaker> anyway, you got the new Makefiles
12:07:59  <planetmaker> Let me commit the fix, shall I?
12:08:17  <Yexo> sure
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12:10:23  <planetmaker> pushed
12:13:20  <planetmaker> <-- Yexo
12:13:31  <planetmaker> so it should work now
12:13:54  <Yexo> ? no number?
12:14:08  <planetmaker> ups...
12:14:14  <planetmaker> another bug of mine :S
12:14:20  <planetmaker> gah...
12:15:06  <planetmaker> ok. That's my error, I'll fix it right now. But otherwise it works :-)
12:15:55  <Yexo> great, thanks again :)
12:16:56  <Ammler> also check the compile logs from time to time ;-)
12:17:12  <planetmaker> one " too much...
12:20:50  <planetmaker> Also fixed in r6
12:22:14  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Nutracks - Revision 22: Fix [Makefile]: The number of quotation marks should be even <> || Example NewGRF Project - Revision 46: Fix: The number of quotation marks should be even <> || Climate dependant airports - Revision 6: Fix [Makefile]: The number of quotation marks must be even <> || Climate dependant airports - Revision 5: Fix [Makefile]: Lines starting with '#' need to be remov... <> || Climate dependant airports - Revision 4: Add: snowy version of small depot <> || Climate dependant airports - Revision 3: Fix: readd the fences to the south-east of the small runway <> || Climate dependant airports - Revision 2: Fix: north-east end of small runway had a few white pixels <> || Climate dependant airports - Revision 1: Add: grahpics for the small airport runway <>
12:23:04  <Ammler> pm, does the new Makefile framework support multiple grfs?
12:23:09  <planetmaker> yes
12:23:23  <planetmaker> that's why OpenGFX can use exactly the same thing, too
12:23:24  <Ammler> I should migrate my bash thing to make :-)
12:23:50  <planetmaker> The prerequisite is that a .pnfo file exists for every grf
12:24:07  <Yexo> are there 'sources' for the small airport grass tiles? ie tiles split in grass and the dirt on it?
12:24:11  <planetmaker> make blub.grf will search for blub.pnfo and build a grf based on it.
12:24:31  <planetmaker> Yexo, dunno really, sorry
12:24:42  <Ammler> Yexo: if it's from zephyris, mostly not
12:24:47  <Yexo> np, didn't expect there were any
12:24:57  <Ammler> the sources there are limited to the pcx
12:25:10  <Ammler> I don't ask anymore to upload the pngs :-)
12:25:32  <planetmaker> Yexo, so the first thing will be to use the new overlay possibilities?
12:25:39  <Yexo> yes
12:25:47  <planetmaker> re-using the default ground tiles with a bit of overlay? Nice :-)
12:25:55  <Ammler> but I am sure, if you ask Zephyris, he will give you the sources
12:25:59  <planetmaker> that is a concept sooo needed.
12:26:13  <planetmaker> As it gets rid of so many graphical "incompatibilities", I like it a lot
12:26:15  <Ammler> he just didn't get to upload it for no reason
12:28:22  <Ammler> easiest bulk upload would be btw. Torrents :-)
12:28:29  <Yexo> <- this is the plan
12:28:36  <Yexo> but then for all airports
12:28:57  <planetmaker> Yexo, I'd improve that plan by removing the green at all ;-)
12:29:09  <Yexo> of course :)
12:29:42  <Yexo> and I don't like the north-east part of the snow on the hangar
12:32:18  <Ammler> Yexo: since you are manager on the devzone, you can create projects yourself, if you need to just do...
12:32:36  <Yexo> ok, thanks
12:33:14  <planetmaker> yup :-) Those who are manager can be considered to use it sensibly :-)
12:34:21  <Ammler> one important thing: the project identifier should be exactly spelled like the repo
12:34:51  <Yexo> I'll probably still ask for help even if I could techinally do it :
12:34:57  <planetmaker> :-)
12:35:18  <planetmaker> one thing we currently cannot automatise is to enable generation of nightlies
12:35:40  <planetmaker> or at least I know of no such script - which also needs to use another user than ottdc
12:36:05  <Ammler> ?
12:36:12  <planetmaker> bundles is in openttd
12:36:50  <planetmaker> I always su'ed to it and created the dirs which the CF assumes to put the generated files into
12:37:26  <Ammler>
12:37:29  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Example NewGRF Project - Revision 47: Change: Report also the repo title and (if any) grf files <> || Climate dependant airports - Revision 7: Change: improve the snowy small depot a little bit <>
12:37:32  <planetmaker> :-D
12:37:41  <planetmaker> Yet another documentation I didn't read, I guess :-P
12:38:21  <Ammler> oh, might it be possible, it doesn't create directories on the bundles user anymore?
12:38:26  <Ammler> that could be considered as bug
12:38:31  <planetmaker> I don't think it does
12:38:59  <planetmaker> of course I tried first without but got errors due to missing dirs
12:39:32  <Ammler> :-(
12:39:58  <planetmaker> It didn't occur to me that it was a bug, though... :-P
12:39:59  <Ammler> user ottdc has ssh access to user openttd
12:40:10  <planetmaker> hm...
12:40:21  <planetmaker> some dirs where of user hg, btw
12:40:25  <Ammler> but anyway, it "should" create those folders
12:40:35  <planetmaker> e.g. newgrf-makefile
12:40:40  <planetmaker> I chowned it.
12:40:55  <planetmaker> as I got write permission errors upon push
12:41:07  <Ammler> uh?
12:41:55  <planetmaker> s/where/were/
12:43:09  <planetmaker> I *think* that was a remanent of when we experimented with introducing a new user for the hg repos.
12:43:19  <planetmaker> and newgrf_makefile was the one we played around with
12:43:37  <planetmaker> But I think we can safely forget about that idea. Not worth the trouble
12:43:53  <planetmaker> Never touch a running system ;-)
12:45:55  <Ammler> well, that might be the case we don't hurry in that case anymore, but I wouldn't forget it ;-)
12:46:07  <planetmaker> no, not forget :-)
12:46:13  <planetmaker> But luckily it seems not urgent ;-)
12:46:26  <Ammler> I don't like the user ottdc and the virtual subdomain mz
12:46:32  <planetmaker> Though ... if we want to be prepared, we should make sure it would work smoothly, if needed
12:46:52  <planetmaker> Well, mz should consequently be replaced by dev IMO
12:47:04  <planetmaker> I don't mind the user. It's like a general purpose one ;-)
12:47:31  <Ammler> a sep. user for hg repos wouldn't be that ugly :-)
12:47:54  <Ammler> ssh://
12:48:28  <Ammler> or ssh://
12:49:15  <Ammler> and
12:49:38  <planetmaker> don't introduce yet another (virtual) domain
12:49:42  <planetmaker> just use dev.openttdcoop
12:49:49  <planetmaker> hg@dev if you like
12:50:22  <Ammler> dev is redmine
12:50:27  <planetmaker> yes. exactly
12:50:37  <Ammler> that would need some redirect rules...
12:50:43  <planetmaker> why would you decouple it from the repos?
12:50:48  <Ammler> not manageable
12:51:19  <Yexo> at what time are the nightlies generated?
12:51:26  <planetmaker> 18:18h
12:51:27  <Ammler> 18:18 CEST
12:51:37  <planetmaker> Ammler, CET ;-)
12:51:43  <Ammler> of course :-P
12:51:54  <Ammler> Klugscheisser!
12:51:58  <planetmaker> pah!
12:52:02  <Ammler> :-D
12:52:08  <planetmaker> it's winter! we had snow yesterday (again)!
12:52:10  <planetmaker> ;-)
12:52:56  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 597: Update [Makefile]: makefile r47 <> || #openttdcoop - Membership #772 (Closed): Applying for project: Climate dependent airports <>
12:53:00  <Ammler> we have almost no snow anymore
12:53:04  <Ammler> already spring here
12:53:38  <planetmaker> yes, here, too ;-) For about a week. Still there was snow falling yesterday and frost in the night
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13:08:22  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FISH - Revision 252: Update [Makefile]: makefile r47 <>
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14:59:29  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Climate dependant airports - Revision 10: Add: climate dependent versions of the small airport bu... <> || Climate dependant airports - Revision 9: Fix: new tiles had a white line in the sprites <> || Climate dependant airports - Revision 8: Add: climate independent versions of the middle 4 'grass... <>
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15:15:06  <planetmaker> Yexo, concerning the airports: would you mind to supply a version already somewhen soon to bananas, maybe even with limited availability to one nightly version so that just for the joy it could be used / tested on our server?
15:15:14  <planetmaker> I don't mean now, but in principle ;-)
15:15:30  <Yexo> no problem at all
15:15:32  <planetmaker> I feel like I should prepare somewhen again a map for our server, thus I'm asking :-)
15:15:51  <Yexo> I've finished the small airport, it just misses snow on top of the small buildings
15:16:01  <planetmaker> ah :-) sweet
15:16:24  <Yexo> I was planning to create a forum topic tonight (after the nigthly is done), to ask some help with creating snowy buildilngs
15:16:34  <planetmaker> Would you want to upload it then or could I, say, just go for using the openttdcoop account for that?
15:16:53  <planetmaker> Rubi anyway could allow more than one person access, so it's not a principle problem, but...
15:17:00  <Yexo> using openttdcoop account is fine
15:17:03  <planetmaker> s/person/account/
15:17:08  <planetmaker> ok, thanks :-)
15:17:19  <Yexo> although it'd be nice if multiple accounts could have access :)
15:17:31  <planetmaker> yeah, but only upon special request.
15:17:40  <planetmaker> Though you should have a high enough standing ;-)
15:18:49  <planetmaker> And... the openttdcoop account is somewhat know and not limited to one person only :-P
15:19:00  <planetmaker> (yes, I know it's not 100% cosher)
15:19:10  <Yexo> not a real problem I think
15:19:37  <Yexo> as long as it's not publicly-known
15:21:03  <DJNekkid> any news the last hrs? :=
15:21:05  <DJNekkid> :)
15:21:16  <planetmaker> only a hand full of people know it / can access it. Ammler, me, FooBar, andythenorth, DJNekkid I think
15:21:25  <Yexo> that's fine
15:22:55  <DJNekkid> :D
15:23:46  <Ammler> <-- those
15:24:33  <Ammler> planetmaker: Group "Manager"
15:24:39  <planetmaker> thanks, I was looking for the link :-)
15:24:48  <planetmaker> I never find that page when I search for it...
15:24:55  <Rubidium> the wonders of 'Rubi could allow more access' :)
15:25:05  <DJNekkid> there, boost 1.33.x installed :D
15:25:07  <Ammler>
15:25:07  <planetmaker> hehe ;-)
15:25:22  <Rubidium> depending on access to what I might be more lenient than access to some other stuff
15:25:24  <planetmaker> DJNekkid, 1.33? Why not a new 1.40 or so?
15:25:25  <Ammler> there should be listed all projects you are active
15:25:52  <DJNekkid> planetmaker: because "yum install boost" gave me 1.33 :)
15:26:06  <planetmaker> tsk. WAY outdated by several years
15:26:07  <Rubidium> e.g. access to the user account to upload compiled stuff to is tricky at least
15:26:20  <Ammler> DJNekkid: I made a special boost for CentOS
15:26:44  <Ammler> Rubidium: yes :-(
15:26:50  <DJNekkid> oh?
15:27:03  <planetmaker> Rubidium, uh? I don't get what you want to tell.
15:27:37  <Ammler> <-- DJNekkid
15:27:45  <Ammler> also nforenum would be there
15:27:48  <planetmaker> that using the bundles server is difficult?
15:27:59  <Ammler> planetmaker: releases
15:28:19  <planetmaker> hm, yes, could be improved, I guess :-)
15:28:27  <Ammler> indeed :-D
15:28:30  <Rubidium> planetmaker: no, that giving Yexo write access via 'our' (as in OpenTTD's) openttdcoop account is covered with hurdles
15:28:44  <planetmaker> oh, that's not required
15:28:45  <DJNekkid> Ammler: r2304 with the feature-10 patch applied?
15:28:53  <planetmaker> he has his own key, so... no worries
15:29:01  <Ammler> DJNekkid: no, Yexo said, it is buggy
15:29:02  <planetmaker> he doesn't use root@openttd ;-)
15:29:05  <Yexo> Rubidium: that was never the intention
15:29:13  <planetmaker> ^
15:30:01  <Rubidium> planetmaker: it's likely he doesn't even know the DNS name of the main server (i.e. the IP of the main server)
15:30:02  <Yexo> Rubidium: it was just about who uploads a grf to bananas, planetmaker will upload it with the openttdcoop account, but then we said it would be nice if multiple accounts could manage one grf
15:30:08  <planetmaker> The only statement was "if needed, you could assign a 2nd bananas account to a single newgrf" ;-)
15:30:46  <Ammler> DJNekkid: but you could use the package openttd-devel-nforenum-boost to build renum on centos
15:30:51  <planetmaker> no other things planned or discussed :-)
15:31:06  <Rubidium> and the "fun" thing is, because of a messup of the ISP they are not even in the same range :)
15:31:14  <planetmaker> lol
15:31:26  <Rubidium> yes, security through obscurity-ish
15:31:44  <Yexo> but you're right, I don't know that ip (though I might be able to find out wiht help of some irc logs)
15:32:27  <Ammler> he, if we would use 2nd ip for our vserver, that wouldn't be in same range either
15:32:53  <Ammler> maybe for preventing bans, dunno.
15:35:11  <Rubidium> Yexo: if you've got access to my or TB's irc logs, then yes :)
15:35:34  <Rubidium> I think patchman knows the IP too
15:35:52  <Ammler> our ssh logs should have it too :-)
15:35:53  <Rubidium> oh, and orudge (he hosts the DNS)
15:36:59  <Ammler> no idea, how long they are saved...
15:50:12  <planetmaker> hehe. Yesterday our supreme court ruled the law which requires telecom companies to log all data for 6 months void ;-)
15:51:01  <planetmaker> and clearly stated that such data must be deleted immediately
15:51:18  <planetmaker> *all connection details data
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17:58:21  <Ammler> hehe, /etc as hg repo rocks :-)
17:58:55  <planetmaker> :-)
18:00:29  <Ammler> sh is linked to bash
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18:00:43  <Ammler> but /etc/bashrc doesn't care about that
18:01:14  <Ammler> so you should define the shell for users to /bin/bash instead of /bin/sh
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18:43:13  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: World Airliners Set - Revision 604: New Coding Table <>
18:49:32  <DJNekkid> the airport .grfs readme is empty
19:06:07  <Frankr> DJNekkid
19:09:02  <DJNekkid> hi Frankr
19:09:42  <Frankr> hello
19:10:06  <Frankr> how did you get around the running cost problem, regarding the purchase list text
19:11:04  <Frankr> Giving the wrong information as the purchase list uses Action 0 running cost
19:16:42  <DJNekkid> not if you set the R/P-costs in a CB36 on the P-list sprite
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19:24:52  <DJNekkid> Frankr:
19:40:32  <Frankr> But i have variable R/P costs
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19:41:07  <Frankr> is it still possible then
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19:51:01  <Yexo> <DJNekkid> the airport .grfs readme is empty <- I know, haven't got around to creating one
19:57:19  <DJNekkid> Frankr: ofcourse...
19:57:31  <DJNekkid> the point is what is shown in the purchase list isnt it?
19:57:53  <DJNekkid> Yexo: okidoki :) I just thought you perhaps had made an error :)
20:00:04  <DJNekkid> but also remember to add the P-cost to the general CB36...
20:00:20  <DJNekkid> as i suspect if you have something elsein the action0, that will probably override
20:00:28  <DJNekkid> i.e. a VERY low sellprice
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20:05:18  <DJNekkid> how many of the openttd devs are actually dutch?
20:07:33  <Yexo_> Rubidium:, alberth, me, truebrain, matthijs
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20:12:17  <Frankr> ok thanks DJ
20:16:31  <DJNekkid> Yexo: out of how many?
20:16:34  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: World Airliners Set - Revision 605: Added PNG & PCX Malev Fokker F70 <>
20:16:36  <DJNekkid> around 10?
20:17:05  <Yexo> 16 listed on
20:17:09  <Yexo> but less active
20:17:15  <DJNekkid> oki :)
20:17:57  <Yexo> I'd say 13 active (but then I do count orudge, matthijs and truebrain)
20:18:53  <DJNekkid> oki :)
20:19:10  <DJNekkid> .not too bad guess then :)
20:25:00  <DJNekkid> .not too bad guess then :)
20:25:15  <DJNekkid> ehm, sorry about that... were supposed to be an "up->enter" in terminal :)
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20:31:36  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: World Airliners Set - Bug #767 (Assigned): Check & Update Speeds <>
20:34:36  <DJNekkid> There... Planning tracks are added...
20:47:41  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: World Airliners Set - Revision 606: Minor Changes To New Coding Table <> || Nutracks - Revision 24: Add: Planning-tracks. Costfactor and speedfactor 0 <> || Nutracks - Revision 23: Change: MAGLEV is now a railtype in ids.pnfo <>
20:53:53  <Yexo> DJNekkid: can you compile nforenum yourself if I suplly you with some patches?
20:54:01  <Hirundo> planning tracks... nice idea :)
21:24:07  <DJNekkid> Yexo: i suppose i can...
21:24:15  <DJNekkid> never tried to build one, but i sure can
21:25:50  <PeterT> why is it .pnfo?
21:26:11  <Yexo> DJNekkid: actually nvm that
21:26:25  <DJNekkid> 2306 includes feature 10 and 11 ?
21:26:30  <Yexo> updated renum data files (includes both newrailtypes and newgrf airport tiles)
21:26:47  <DJNekkid> i just downloaded/svn'ed 2306
21:26:58  <Yexo> last update is r2304
21:27:32  <DJNekkid> Checked out revision 2306.
21:27:38  <DJNekkid> ".."
21:27:39  <Yexo> r2305/r2306 are changes to ttdpatch code
21:27:46  <DJNekkid> oki...
21:28:12  <Yexo> if you use the latest renum nightly with the data files I uploaded above it should work
21:28:20  <DJNekkid> so i can put the content of that zip somewhere?
21:28:34  <Yexo> it's C:\Documents and Settings\username\.renum on my winxp machine
21:28:45  <Yexo> probably ~/.renum or something on linux
21:28:58  <Yexo> oh, you have to extract the zip
21:33:28  <DJNekkid> hm
21:33:37  <DJNekkid> now how do i show hidden folders in that linux browser...
21:33:52  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: World Airliners Set - Revision 609: Correct Flashing Tail on B737-300 Southwest (Gold) <> || World Airliners Set - Revision 608: Corrected Speeds on Old Coding Table <> || World Airliners Set - Revision 607: New Coding Table Changes <>
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21:34:38  <Yexo> start a new browser from the console and give the path as argument
21:34:46  <DJNekkid> perhaps "view -> show hidden files" :)
21:35:59  <DJNekkid> well... bedtime for big and small kids now :) so off you go :P TTY tomorrow :)
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22:21:15  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: 32bpp-extra - Revision 25: Add:Import modular makesystem scripts. Not functional yet <>
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22:30:36  <Frankr> yh
22:32:26  <Frankr> cos, i had an error from someone regarding speeds, and thought the running cost would do the same
22:33:08  <Frankr> ok, it doesn't matter about the variable cost then
22:39:54  <Frankr> yh
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22:51:28  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: World Airliners Set - Revision 613: Removed Assorted Info table, no use <> || World Airliners Set - Revision 612: Removed Coding Table Simple Info <> || World Airliners Set - Revision 611: Removed Old Hex Table <> || World Airliners Set - Revision 610: Major Updates To New Coding Table, Old Table Deleted <>
23:06:31  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: World Airliners Set - Revision 614: New Coding Table Freezing Changes <> || World Airliners Set - Code Review #767 (Assigned): Check & Update Coding Info <>
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23:52:22  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: World Airliners Set - Revision 615: Corrected Speed Errors in New Coding Table (Swapped Columns) <>

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