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00:23:09 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 00:24:10 *** welshdragon has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 00:42:50 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: World Airliners Set - Revision 621: Lots Of More Data Added To Input of New Coding Table <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/621> 01:44:21 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 01:59:01 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 02:57:36 * DJNekkid is drunk, but saies hi anyway 02:58:39 <DJNekkid> hmm... more then 1hr sinse last quit ... last chat were 3,5hrs ago! :D 02:59:15 <DJNekkid> club.grf > blub.grf :D 02:59:22 <Frankr> hello 02:59:32 <PeterT> Why are you up at this hour? 02:59:39 <Frankr> me? 02:59:56 <PeterT> yes 03:00:00 <PeterT> It's like 4 AM 03:00:11 <Frankr> i just been playing Table Tennis, Pool, and Fifa 10 for the last 3hr 03:00:15 <Frankr> 3am 03:00:25 <Frankr> 4am for DJ 03:01:12 <DJNekkid> ive been ... ehm ... drunk :P 03:01:24 <DJNekkid> atleast, i've been clubbing :) 03:01:42 <DJNekkid> and yes 4am 03:02:05 <DJNekkid> Frankr: im quite sure that is pocket tennis, not table tennis :P 03:02:28 <Frankr> lol 03:02:34 <Frankr> Djing 03:02:37 <Frankr> or clubbin 03:02:46 <DJNekkid> (if pocket tennis is the same as the norwegian-english translation is) 03:02:51 <DJNekkid> clubbing tonight 03:02:56 <DJNekkid> DJ'ing last night 03:02:59 <Frankr> cool 03:03:03 <DJNekkid> clubbing again 2morrow 03:03:09 <Frankr> definitely table tennis dj 03:03:13 <Frankr> or ping pong 03:03:30 <DJNekkid> we can say that if that is what you prefer :D 03:03:35 <Frankr> @ping 03:03:36 <Webster> pong 03:03:39 <Frankr> :) 03:03:54 <DJNekkid> im even surprised ppl is awake atm :) 03:04:45 <DJNekkid> i were close to 100% sure that the next conversation here would be Yexo, planetmaker and/or Ammler about someting trivial :D 03:04:45 <Frankr> i just got in 03:04:52 <Frankr> lol 03:04:55 <DJNekkid> been clubbing aswell? 03:05:00 <Frankr> half my flat is up 03:05:26 <Frankr> no been messing around in community area, few beers, and some games 03:05:30 <DJNekkid> i.e. your GF is aslee? 03:05:42 <DJNekkid> asleep 03:06:17 <Frankr> nope, just at uni 03:06:50 <DJNekkid> uni...versity? 03:06:53 <Frankr> yh 03:07:27 <DJNekkid> okidoki... ... ehm... 03:07:31 <DJNekkid> something! :D 03:07:37 <Frankr> :p 03:07:39 <DJNekkid> are you on facebook? 03:07:44 <Frankr> yh 03:07:49 <DJNekkid> pm me your name? 03:08:09 <DJNekkid> (if you dont wanna leave it here) 03:08:14 <DJNekkid> or search up my nick 03:08:20 <Frankr> DJNekkid: Robert Francis 03:08:53 <Frankr> i need to add, Frank in centre 03:09:19 <DJNekkid> there are a bunch of robertfrancis's there... 03:09:57 <Frankr> try Manchester area 03:10:50 <DJNekkid> i have no idea on how to search in a spec area 03:11:04 <DJNekkid> try Thomas DJNekkid <surname> 03:11:32 <Frankr> ok 03:11:46 <DJNekkid> should be a picture of 3ppl 03:12:07 <DJNekkid> one in green(ish), a busty girl, and a dude in gray'ish 03:15:10 <Frankr> ok 03:15:45 <DJNekkid> btw, my father is from manchester... 03:15:50 <DJNekkid> lives in norway tho 03:15:59 <DJNekkid> for the last ... close-to-29-years 03:16:09 <DJNekkid> his norwegian SUCKS tho 03:16:33 <Frankr> lol 03:16:48 <Frankr> cool where abouts in Manchester, do you know? 03:17:31 <DJNekkid> ehm ... the ... 03:17:44 <DJNekkid> parts ... around... 03:17:50 <DJNekkid> thoose buildings! 03:18:11 <DJNekkid> i.e: i have absolutely no idea 03:18:23 <DJNekkid> his sirname is "Robinson" tho :) 03:18:32 <DJNekkid> (if that helps ya) 03:20:32 <Frankr> lol, around what buildings, manchester 03:21:21 <Frankr> i can't find ya, unless you r a guy on a beach 03:22:22 <Frankr> your last name is Mjelva 03:22:42 <DJNekkid> it is 03:23:19 <Frankr> hmm 03:23:54 <DJNekkid> tbh, i have know idea where around manchaster he is from... he fucked my mum 29.5yrs ago in mallorca or something, and here i am :) 03:24:05 <Frankr> lol 03:24:38 <DJNekkid> he dont care shit about football tho... 03:24:54 <DJNekkid> but,his sister and my uncle is BIG ManU fans 03:25:17 <Frankr> :) 03:25:33 <Frankr> try that 03:25:35 <DJNekkid> correction: HUGEsuch fans 03:25:43 <Frankr> see if you can add me that way 03:26:19 <DJNekkid> i have no invites? 03:27:12 <Frankr> pmd u 03:28:10 <Frankr> you get that? 03:28:58 <DJNekkid> dont seem like it 03:29:13 <DJNekkid> nvm, irc pm 03:29:18 <DJNekkid> not facebook pm 03:30:35 <Frankr> there you are 03:31:03 <DJNekkid> :D:dD 03:31:59 <DJNekkid> 1991?? :d 03:32:03 <Frankr> :) ah its in norwegian 03:32:05 <DJNekkid> im getting SO old! 03:32:09 <Frankr> lol 03:32:46 <DJNekkid> tho, im nothing compared to ammler and planetmaker ... 42 and 35 (or something) iirc 03:33:15 <DJNekkid> but yea, most of my updates are in norwegian 03:33:43 <DJNekkid> translate.google.com should be accurate enough to translate them to something understandable 03:33:51 <Frankr> :) 03:34:50 <Frankr> Petert is 14 i think 03:35:07 <Frankr> could be wrong there 03:35:24 <DJNekkid> im 29 the 25th of april 03:35:24 <Frankr> i feel old on Clanmega 03:35:37 <Frankr> beardie is 27th April 03:35:50 <DJNekkid> most openttdcoop guys is "old" 03:36:20 <Frankr> I bet all the main coders are as well 03:39:02 <DJNekkid> i have absolutely no idea ... but if i concider the game (original ttd) came around 1995, and if the devs were teens back then, they would be around 28-35... 03:39:09 *** Frankr has quit IRC 03:39:42 *** Frankr has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 03:39:43 <DJNekkid> id make a qualified quess that they have an average age of 33... 03:39:46 <DJNekkid> i have absolutely no idea ... but if i concider the game (original ttd) came around 1995, and if the devs were teens back then, they would be around 28-35... 03:39:48 <DJNekkid> id make a qualified quess that they have an average age of 33... 03:39:50 <Frankr> i died 03:40:03 * DJNekkid hates peer 03:40:40 *** Frankr has quit IRC 03:41:41 *** Frankr has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 03:41:57 <Frankr> there we go 03:42:12 <Frankr> i hate that firefox don't have a x64 03:42:15 <DJNekkid> i have absolutely no idea ... but if i concider the game (original ttd) came around 1995, and if the devs were teens back then, they would be around 28-35... 03:42:17 <DJNekkid> id make a qualified quess that they have an average age of 33... 03:42:18 <DJNekkid> i have absolutely no idea ... but if i concider the game (original ttd) came around 1995, and if the devs were teens back then, they would be around 28-35... 03:42:21 * DJNekkid hates peer 03:42:53 <Frankr> :) 03:43:42 <Frankr> i think the only person older than me on clanmega is Mega himself 03:46:31 <DJNekkid> either way, sleep calls! 03:46:33 <DJNekkid> ttyl 03:46:33 <Frankr> btw you have a lovely wife 03:46:37 <Frankr> yh cya 03:46:50 <DJNekkid> i know :P 03:46:55 <Frankr> :) 03:47:10 <DJNekkid> <3 titts 03:47:56 <DJNekkid> but dont tell my misstress she's flat ;P 03:49:11 <Frankr> lol 06:37:29 *** Frankr has quit IRC 07:37:30 *** Yexo_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:44:05 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:44:29 *** Yexo has quit IRC 07:51:44 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenMSX - Revision 19: Update: New version of 'Keep on Rolling' <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/openmsx/repository/revisions/19> || Redmine - Revision 3388: Remove double negative condition <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/3388> || Redmine - Revision 3387: Refactor: Moved the contents of #issue_update into Issue. <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/3387> 08:07:45 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Revision 312: Change: Update to makefile r61 <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/312> 08:11:42 *** ODM has quit IRC 08:23:47 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #777 (New): Sheep farm producing cotton in Tropic <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/777> || Snowline mod - Revision 8: Change [Makefile]: Update to makefile r61 <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/snowlinemod/repository/revisions/8> || Nutracks - Revision 30: Change [Makefile]: Update to makefile r61 <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nutracks/repository/revisions/30> || HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Revision 217: Change [Makefile]: Update to makefile r61 <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/217> || 2cc train set - Revision 476: Change [Makefile]: Update to makefile r61 <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/476> || FISH - Revision 254: Change [Makefile]: Update to makefile r61 <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/254> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 599: Change [Makefile]: Update to makefile r61 <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/599> || Climate dependant airports - Revision 29: Change [Makefile]: Update to makefile r61 <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/airportsplus/repository/revisions/29> 09:26:32 *** welshdragon has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 09:30:20 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 09:45:08 *** Doorslammer has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:00:10 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Revision 313: Fix: The origin was not properly indicated <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/313> 10:16:10 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Example NewGRF Project - Revision 63: Change: Add a '-' between nightly and version in the versio... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/newgrf-makefile/repository/revisions/63> || OpenGFX - Revision 314: Fix: Also indicate the version in the ingame description properly <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/314> || Example NewGRF Project - Revision 62: Change: Allow updating of several projects at once <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/newgrf-makefile/repository/revisions/62> 10:40:34 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 11:14:23 *** welshdragon has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:16:23 <Ammler> planetmaker: good day :-) 11:16:32 <Ammler> creating backup is finished at 4 11:16:46 <Ammler> du -sh * takes another 40 mins :-) 11:17:15 <Ammler> I should disable that, maybe :-) 11:18:17 <planetmaker> good day Ammler :-) 11:18:19 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenSFX - Revision 74: Change: Rewrite makefile, similar to newgrf makefile r62 <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opensfx/repository/revisions/74> 11:22:22 <Ammler> oh, you fixed bunde_src 11:24:03 <planetmaker> yup :-) 11:24:25 <planetmaker> a bit ugly IMO, but... 11:26:27 <Ammler> md5sum: WARNING: 2 of 7 computed checksums did NOT match 11:26:40 <Ammler> at least check would work :-) 11:27:02 <Ammler> I do a make clean and check again 11:27:13 <Ammler> maybe dependency bugs 11:30:12 <planetmaker> hm, I tested here and it matched 11:30:40 <planetmaker> btw, make remake still works ;-) 11:32:00 <Ammler> the .md5 seems not to rebuild... 11:33:05 <PeterT> Yes, Frankr, PeterT is 14 11:33:07 <PeterT> @logs 11:33:07 <Webster> Logs: http://hyru.ath.cx:60080/~kenji/ottdcoop/ 11:33:09 <planetmaker> it should always be rebuilt by bundle_src 11:35:10 <planetmaker> but it doesn't re-build if opengfx.obg isn't re-built. Why should it then. 11:36:17 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:37:06 <Ammler> well, obg and extra was rebuild 11:37:14 <Ammler> extra because of the version 11:37:20 <planetmaker> yes, that's fine 11:37:30 <Ammler> so the md5 schould also :-) 11:37:40 <planetmaker> and then the md5 is re-built - if bundle_src is called 11:37:51 <planetmaker> only bundle_src triggers md5 11:37:53 <Ammler> well, it didn't 11:37:55 <planetmaker> a normal make doesn't 11:40:40 <Ammler> http://pastebin.ca/1825051 11:41:19 <Ammler> extra didn't 11:41:23 <planetmaker> thx. I'll look at it. Will be back in a bit. 11:41:42 <Ammler> and obg didn't 11:41:48 <planetmaker> a shop I need to go closes very soon :-) 11:41:59 <planetmaker> hm... it just worked here, if I touched extra.pnfo 11:42:01 <Ammler> can't go out here 11:42:06 <Ammler> winter again :-) 11:42:14 <planetmaker> yeah, here, too 11:43:30 <Ammler> also something broken with make install... 11:45:44 <Ammler> [INSTALL] to /home/abuild/.openttd/data 11:46:21 <Ammler> + make install INSTALLDIR=/usr/src/packages/BUILDROOT/openttd-data-opengfx-nightly-r314-1.x86_64/usr/share/openttd/data 11:47:58 <Ammler> well, the log is here: http://obs.openttdcoop.org/spec.Factory/openttd-data-opengfx/suse_11.2_64.log 12:02:05 <Ammler> and why again do I need to rename the md5 file? 12:02:25 <Ammler> why can't it be called like the other files? (name-version.md5) 13:06:43 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 13:17:09 *** Yexo has quit IRC 13:17:34 *** Yexo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:29:41 <DJNekkid> Yexo, Rubidium or others: is it possible to check if the measuring unit' option is set to Metric, imperial or SI ? (action 7/9) 13:30:29 <Yexo> no, it's a client side option so it can be differnt on multiplayer clients 13:30:35 <Yexo> so it'd desync if you switched on it 13:30:52 <DJNekkid> oki... 13:31:18 <Ammler> don't mass highlight :-P 13:32:18 <DJNekkid> so... no different texts based on measuring units ... i.e. mph/kmh for the nutracks text 13:32:27 <Yexo> oh, actually it seems to be stored in the savegame 13:32:31 <Yexo> so the same for all clients 13:32:42 <Yexo> I didn't expect that, but it should be possible then 13:33:26 <DJNekkid> one possible way is to set kmh for language 7F/FF and mph for american or something 13:46:03 <Yexo> DJNekkid: no idea how doable this is, but wouldn't it be easier if the newgrf set a special string code + the speed in mph and let openttd figure out how the client wants it displayed? 13:47:31 <Ammler> kmh/mph != language setting 13:47:38 <Ammler> that is like currency 13:47:52 <DJNekkid> i know, but its a plausible workaround 13:48:26 <Ammler> I already hate, that I have to use , (comma) instead of . (dot) for numbers, if I use german 13:48:59 <DJNekkid> i hate that i have to use . when i use english :) 13:49:16 <Ammler> you see ;-) 13:49:31 <Yexo> DJNekkid: you can just use string code 84 13:49:41 <Yexo> it's already supported :) 13:50:28 <DJNekkid> hmm... 13:50:52 <DJNekkid> but it wont translate 160 to 100, would it? 13:50:58 <DJNekkid> (kmh to mph) 13:51:03 <Yexo> it will 13:51:13 <Yexo> but I think it's the other way around, mph is default I think 13:51:16 <Yexo> not 100% sure on that 13:51:30 <Yexo> but it's the same default as for vehicles, if that tells you anything 13:51:42 <DJNekkid> thats kmh afaik... 13:51:51 <Yexo> then this is kmh too 13:51:52 <DJNekkid> but... 13:52:12 <DJNekkid> its for the rail-list-thingy 13:52:42 <Yexo> so? string code 84 is supported in all newgrf strings (or at least nearly all) 13:53:20 <DJNekkid> but where would it read the speed-part from? 13:53:52 <Yexo> oh, right :( 13:53:54 <Yexo> the stack 13:55:15 <DJNekkid> the stack? 13:55:29 <Yexo> the newgrf text stack 13:55:37 <Yexo> which I guess is not available for the rail-list 13:55:55 <Ammler> oh, openttd does support SI 13:58:17 <DJNekkid> but the only good solution i can see is to separate american and UK english 13:58:43 <DJNekkid> as the other strings ingame probably have only marginaly differences 14:00:03 <DJNekkid> and its basicly only thoose two countries left that use MPH 14:01:21 <planetmaker> http://pastebin.ca/1825051 <-- Ammler that's fine afaik. None of my commits touched any of the grfs. So... no need to re-md5 anything 14:02:47 <planetmaker> hm... though the extra one *should* be re-built. Version stuff 14:02:57 <planetmaker> hm... 14:05:06 <Ammler> well, read further 14:05:16 <Ammler> there is a essential issue ;-) 14:05:47 <Ammler> anyway, that one should be solved too. 14:06:34 <Ammler> planetmaker: you could also remove the version stuff from extra, if that helps 14:06:48 <Ammler> it is for ttdpatch only, so not really necessary 14:07:43 <planetmaker> That version thing must not be removed. It's a general thing for all newgrf 14:07:56 <planetmaker> it 'just' needs working 14:08:04 <Ammler> just :-P 14:08:06 <planetmaker> also I don't get your md5-related comment 14:08:17 <Ammler> then ignore it 14:08:50 <Ammler> I can pickup that one again, when everything else works :-P 14:08:53 <planetmaker> I name the md5 file exactly as the repo is called. or how would you want it called? Like the grf / obg /obs ? 14:09:08 <planetmaker> And 'like repo' was your proposal ;-) 14:09:13 <Ammler> no 14:09:17 <planetmaker> of course :-) 14:09:25 <Ammler> name-version was my proposal 14:09:33 <planetmaker> yes. And that's what it's called 14:09:38 <planetmaker> opengfx-nightly.md5 14:09:47 <planetmaker> and opengfx-0.3.0.md5 for a release 14:09:49 <Ammler> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/opengfx/nightlies/opengfx-nightly-r308.md5 14:10:20 <Ammler> but that really isn't important 14:10:23 <planetmaker> why is the zip in there? 14:10:33 <Ammler> because that one is made by me 14:10:50 <Ammler> I would replace that with your 14:11:14 <Ammler> but I need the version in there 14:11:32 <planetmaker> I see. 14:11:45 <Ammler> but again, really not important 14:12:15 <Ammler> either you do it in Makefile or I rename it in the compile script... 14:22:58 <DJNekkid> what do you guys think about a even slower and cheaper railtype? people seem to want that... 14:24:39 <Ammler> and use rusty graphics? 14:25:03 <DJNekkid> probably, :) 14:27:23 <Ammler> hmm, nutracks has still compile errors 14:28:12 <Ammler> planetmaker: "unix2dos: converting file docs/readme.ptxt to DOS format ..." <-- is that fixed with new Makefile? 14:28:55 <planetmaker> depends on the definition of 'fixed' 14:29:28 <Ammler> opengfx is empty 14:29:38 <Ammler> so it is :-) 14:30:09 <Ammler> well, it looks like a bug of unix2dos 14:30:15 <planetmaker> yeah 14:30:27 <planetmaker> that shouldn't be in stderr but in stdio 14:30:32 <planetmaker> *stdout 14:31:25 <Ammler> well, you could run unix2dos 2>&1 14:31:41 <Ammler> hmm, I should use "well" a bit fewer... 14:31:50 <Ammler> and "hmm" :-) 14:32:05 <planetmaker> hm....no ;-) 14:32:12 <planetmaker> :-P 14:32:54 <Ammler> no? 14:33:35 <planetmaker> well, it's difficult. And... is it important? 14:33:49 <planetmaker> Otherwise it would always sound like 'know it all' ;-) 14:34:37 <Ammler> well, it is important, that it doesn't print to stderr 14:34:41 <Ammler> as it isn't a err 14:35:04 <planetmaker> yes :-) 14:35:17 <Ammler> how you silence it, I don't care :-P 14:35:27 <Ammler> but the error log should be empty, if all fine 14:37:14 <Ammler> well 14:37:26 <Ammler> you used -q in opengfx, why is that bad? 14:37:31 <planetmaker> it *should* already be silent 14:37:55 <planetmaker> it silences unix2dos in all cases, no matter what the error or not 14:42:10 <Ammler> DJNekkid: you could remove the "silencer" about warning 44 & 47 14:42:24 <Ammler> as they should be in patched renum, aren't? 14:57:21 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:35:04 <planetmaker> Ammler: could you test with http://paste.openttd.org/225157 whether the ref check works then? 15:54:31 <planetmaker> http://paste.openttd.org/225158 <-- small update @ Ammler 15:58:46 <Ammler> planetmaker: rev check? 16:04:46 <planetmaker> the re-build issue with the md5 16:04:55 <planetmaker> it's a rev check issue in its core 16:28:59 *** Frankr has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:32:41 <Frankr> Guys is devzone down 16:43:45 <Frankr> @logs 16:43:45 <Webster> Logs: http://hyru.ath.cx:60080/~kenji/ottdcoop/ 17:31:05 <planetmaker> seems/ed like :S 17:31:16 <planetmaker> check again in 5 minutes 17:32:27 *** Ammler has quit IRC 17:32:27 *** V453000 has quit IRC 17:32:27 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 17:32:27 *** Hirundo has quit IRC 17:34:34 <PeterT> Bouncer fail. 17:41:09 *** Hirundo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:41:36 *** Ammler has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:43:01 *** V453000 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:43:32 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:50:12 <Ammler> what happen? 17:50:36 <PeterT> BNC failed. 17:50:44 <Ammler> no 17:50:57 <Ammler> it was a reboot 18:02:48 <Ammler> planetmaker: the "main" bug on current Makefile is that make install failed... 18:10:59 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: #openttdcoop - Membership #778 (New): Applying for project: xUSSRset <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/778> 18:14:09 <Ammler> the rev issue is quite easy to test, just update to something past, run make update to tip, run make again 18:14:21 <Ammler> if extra doesn't rebuild, it doesn't work 18:14:42 <Ammler> someone an idea about that xUSSRset? 18:15:38 <Ammler> @ping 18:15:38 <Webster> pong 18:16:42 <Ammler> @services op 18:16:42 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Webster 18:21:55 <Doorslammer> In Soviet Russia, goods move train 18:22:42 <Ammler> yeah, but the set itself, is there already something available? 18:23:39 <Ammler> the forum he links is complete in russia 18:24:15 <Doorslammer> Oh 18:24:21 <Doorslammer> Never really heard of it is all 18:34:07 <planetmaker> [18:50] <Ammler> what happen? <-- server unreachable by all means I had (ssh, web, hg) 18:36:40 <Doorslammer> [18:50] <Ammler> what happen? Someone set us up the bomb 18:37:55 *** Frankr has quit IRC 18:52:32 <planetmaker> Ammler: it's INSTALL_DIR not INSTALLDIR ;-) 18:52:47 <planetmaker> I'm afraid that I obviously changed that... 18:53:03 <planetmaker> for better readibility and consistency 18:54:22 <Rubidium> I guess you need to mention that in the release notes and the changelog :) 18:54:31 <Rubidium> otherwise many packagers are going to be unhappy 18:57:31 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: #openttdcoop - Membership #778: Applying for project: xUSSRset <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/778#change-2086> 19:00:39 <planetmaker> Hm, I guess... Or I revert that 19:00:56 <planetmaker> Or only deprecate that... 19:01:13 <planetmaker> That sounds like an idea ;-) 19:09:38 <DJNekkid> planetmaker: this is more your department... how do i add a error message if "vehicles never expire" is on? 19:09:47 <DJNekkid> ttdpatchflag 16 19:10:37 <planetmaker> uhm... Use an action7 checking for that and have it skip the error message, if it is off 19:10:45 <planetmaker> But please don't make that setting an error 19:11:22 <planetmaker> Look at those lines where I check for the EnginePool 19:11:31 <planetmaker> You need just another parameter 19:11:39 <planetmaker> I think in header.pnfo 19:11:42 <DJNekkid> yea 19:11:46 <DJNekkid> i were looking at that 19:11:53 <DJNekkid> i gues the 78 is enginepool :) 19:12:03 <planetmaker> the newgrf wiki knows 19:12:11 <planetmaker> global variables 19:12:56 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Revision 315: Change: Update to makefile r64 <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/315> || Example NewGRF Project - Revision 64: Fix: The check whether files need update due to a changed v... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/newgrf-makefile/repository/revisions/64> 19:13:36 <planetmaker> ah... TTDPFlags: http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=TTDPatchFlags 19:14:56 <planetmaker> 0x16 19:15:00 <planetmaker> enginepersist 19:15:03 <DJNekkid> yea :) 19:15:15 <planetmaker> But honestly: why do you want to check for that? 19:15:40 <DJNekkid> it should be off... 19:15:49 <DJNekkid> unless there will be some wierd engines :) 19:16:06 <planetmaker> why should it be off? 19:16:16 <planetmaker> I always play with that on 19:16:43 <planetmaker> Only realism freaks require it to be off 19:17:27 <planetmaker> and control freaks code their sets such that they require it >:-| 19:17:45 <DJNekkid> because of the engins i add to enable the new railtypes 19:18:01 <planetmaker> not a good reason 19:19:17 <DJNekkid> im open for suggestions :) 19:19:41 <DJNekkid> blank sprites? 19:19:54 <DJNekkid> with 0 power, 0 everything? 19:22:49 <planetmaker> yes 1HP max speed 1km/h 19:23:03 <planetmaker> similar to LordAzamath's invisible engine 19:23:34 <planetmaker> but... even then I don't understand it. 19:23:40 <planetmaker> why do you need it? 19:24:19 <planetmaker> Just make a new engine in the 2ccTrainset use that. 19:24:28 <DJNekkid> if there arent any engines available for a certain tracktype, it isnt available... 19:24:32 <planetmaker> e.g. the ICE or TGV has high speed as primary track 19:24:37 <planetmaker> yes. 19:25:18 <Ammler> planetmaker: make it an alias 19:25:33 <planetmaker> yes, Ammler :-) 19:25:38 <planetmaker> your wish is my command :-P 19:25:48 <Ammler> thanks :-) 19:26:12 <planetmaker> I hope it's somewhat easily possible 19:26:35 <Ammler> alias: target 19:26:59 <planetmaker> oh, that works? 19:27:24 <planetmaker> uhm... INSTALL_DIR and INSTALLDIR are variables. Not targets 19:27:50 <DJNekkid> but, shouldnt the nutracks be available for other trainsets as well? 19:28:24 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: still. Requiring that setting is not a solution. I would always play w/o those tracks then. 19:28:37 <planetmaker> As would #openttdcoop on all its servers 19:28:46 <Ammler> oh, indeed :-) 19:28:56 <DJNekkid> why i do it in another way :) 19:29:44 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: Indeed I'd say the 'best' solution is a setting like for houses or vehicles: introduction and expiry date. 19:29:51 <planetmaker> but... that's not available :-( 19:30:42 <DJNekkid> exactly 19:32:14 *** Doorslammer has quit IRC 19:33:04 <planetmaker> Proposal: 19:33:14 <planetmaker> Make an engine for each track type 19:33:45 <planetmaker> Don't make it big or huge or whatever and have it expire quickly 19:33:57 <planetmaker> And add a parameter which allows to disable all these engines. 19:34:09 <DJNekkid> i already have added that 19:34:14 <planetmaker> For use with sets which support the track types natively 19:34:16 <DJNekkid> introyear 0, with 1year avalability 19:34:28 <planetmaker> That's fine 19:34:44 <planetmaker> Make it maybe even a Funny train :-) 19:34:55 <DJNekkid> funnytrain? 19:34:58 <planetmaker> A double head with "nutracks" advertisement on it ;-) 19:35:07 <planetmaker> like two ice heads attached :-P 19:35:21 <planetmaker> Or just make it a rail bus for each 19:35:30 <planetmaker> small capacity, cannot be coupled anywhere 19:35:37 <planetmaker> but useful for small commuter services 19:35:52 <planetmaker> I like that. Rail buses :-) For all track types 19:37:08 <DJNekkid> hmm! :) 19:40:54 <DJNekkid> but yea, the 2cc set could get native support... 19:43:36 <DJNekkid> well... partytime! :D 19:43:40 <DJNekkid> tty 2morrow :) 19:43:45 <planetmaker> :-) Enjoy! 19:43:51 <DJNekkid> most likely :) 19:43:56 <planetmaker> And greetings to your wife :-) 19:44:10 <DJNekkid> back to you :) 19:44:15 * planetmaker waves 19:52:00 <Ammler> planetmaker: another feature request 19:52:20 <Ammler> if the md5 file is there, do the check yourself 19:52:31 <Ammler> and let it fail if it doesn't match... 19:56:24 <planetmaker> Ammler: but... that is not necessarily good 19:56:39 <planetmaker> if I work on the repo. I exported a bundle_src and do not clean 19:56:49 <planetmaker> Then my next build with mods must not fail 19:57:05 <Ammler> well, that is why should add the version :-P 19:57:26 <Ammler> maybe somehow document it in the readme? 19:57:38 <planetmaker> version doesn't help with xxxM 19:57:43 <Ammler> so package maintainer are aware, why? 19:58:14 <planetmaker> document what? the use of the md5 file? 19:58:16 <planetmaker> yes 19:59:08 <Ammler> the issue you get, when you have same version with different md5sum 20:05:43 <planetmaker> ok 20:07:10 <Ammler> maybe adding a make check would do that :-) 20:09:53 <planetmaker> hm, yes. First the installdir issue, though 20:10:30 <Ammler> the whole thing is actually also quite nice to test nforenum and grfcodec 20:11:00 <Ammler> if those get update, obs automatically rebuilds opengfx and would check again 20:53:54 <planetmaker> installdir issue solved and pushed. For newgrf_makefile ;-) 20:59:49 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Example NewGRF Project - Revision 67: Cleanup: Unify output a bit <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/newgrf-makefile/repository/revisions/67> || Example NewGRF Project - Revision 66: Change: Allow 'INSTALLDIR' again, but indicate it as deprec... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/newgrf-makefile/repository/revisions/66> || Example NewGRF Project - Revision 65: Change: Silence rm when it cannot find anything to delete <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/newgrf-makefile/repository/revisions/65> 21:12:30 <welshdragon> aah, it's nice that BROS is back up and running again 21:13:00 <welshdragon> Sacro and I are having a nice debate about the GPL over in #bros 21:13:50 <Ammler> pro or contra? 21:14:00 <welshdragon> me pro Sacro contra 21:14:26 <welshdragon> he believes that bros (and other graphics sets) should be CC-BY-SA 21:15:00 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Bug #779 (New): Sugarmine and Toyfactory animation glitch (Fix attached) <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/779> || OpenGFX - Revision 316: Change: Update to makefile r67 <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/316> 21:15:05 <Ammler> well, we don't stop you from it, but it is stupid 21:15:20 <Ammler> if you provide the source, I see no reason for CC 21:15:40 <Ammler> CC license is good for things wihtout "sources" 21:15:44 <Ammler> like songs and images 21:15:53 <welshdragon> and that http://freeside.co.uk/~welshdragon/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=251 is in breach of the GPL as 'it's providing binaries with stating the licence or provision of source code' even though it's a test grf 21:16:45 <welshdragon> the source is easy. it's on the forums, and the code will hopefully be on the devzone 21:16:54 <Ammler> the big advantage of gpl is, that if someone uses it, he has to provide his sources 21:17:14 <Ammler> if he uses CC, he don't need, so you can get advantage of 21:17:53 <Ammler> CC for grfs is good for people who develop alone 21:18:02 <Ammler> like Geroge or Pikka or MB 21:18:03 <welshdragon> yeah, we as a team agreed that GPL is best for our set, as we are a team 21:18:24 <Ammler> but as soon, as you public your source, you should make it GPL 21:19:55 <Ammler> again, license something as CC but publish the source is STUPID 21:20:52 <Ammler> and developing a project in a community and not publish the source is even more STUPID 21:21:13 <planetmaker> :-) yeah 21:21:39 <Ammler> I hope it is obvious "why?" :-) 21:22:04 <planetmaker> if you provide source anyway... then it can be GPL. Gives you the advantage that you lay open all derived code 21:22:12 <planetmaker> Concerning graphics there's no difference 21:22:34 * welshdragon nods 21:22:43 <Ammler> if you use CC but publish the source, you harm only yourself 21:22:52 <welshdragon> all the source graphics is on our forums 21:22:59 <welshdragon> for the public to view 21:23:07 <Ammler> oh well 21:23:24 <welshdragon> so that's why we use gPL 21:23:33 <welshdragon> and not CC-BY-SA 21:23:49 <planetmaker> The main difference is the NFO: GPL requires to publish that. CC-whatever not. 21:23:58 <planetmaker> And non-public code is your main problem anyway 21:24:05 <welshdragon> yeah 21:24:15 <planetmaker> as anyone needed to start anew. GPL saves that hassle for the future 21:24:26 <welshdragon> I'll mention that to the coders 21:24:30 <Ammler> the only CC license I would use is CC-ND 21:24:39 <welshdragon> (after upgrading the forums 21:25:10 <Ammler> everything else doesn't make sense to me 21:25:24 <Ammler> but then I do _not_ publish the source :-) 21:26:24 *** simozzz has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:28:48 <Ammler> welshdragon: just in case, if bros is using the Makefile from pm, they need to license it GPL 21:29:06 <Ammler> or buy a special license from him, which I don't know how much that costs ;-) 21:29:16 <PeterT> bros is on the devzone now? 21:29:22 <welshdragon> yes 21:29:30 <welshdragon> has been since the star 21:29:33 <welshdragon> +t 21:30:08 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Snowline mod - Revision 9: Change [Makefile]: Update makefile to r67 <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/snowlinemod/repository/revisions/9> || Nutracks - Revision 31: Change [Makefile]: Update makefile to r67 <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nutracks/repository/revisions/31> || HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Revision 218: Change [Makefile]: Update makefile to r67 <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/218> || Climate dependant airports - Revision 30: Change [Makefile]: Update makefile to r67 <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/airportsplus/repository/revisions/30> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 600: Change [Makefile]: Update makefile to r67 <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/600> || 2cc train set - Revision 477: Change [Makefile]: Update makefile to r67 <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/477> 21:30:29 <PeterT> It always cuts off the last one, doesn't it 21:30:56 <Ammler> well, it is fine 21:31:10 <Ammler> so a commit spree doesn't spam the channel ;-) 21:32:09 <Ammler> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/activity 21:32:24 <Ammler> or add the rss feed to your newsreader 21:34:24 <welshdragon> can Webster come on to #bros please? 21:34:41 <welshdragon> it'd be nice to have him back... 21:35:11 <simozzz> Hello, I get that public key, what should I do next? 21:35:13 <PeterT> he was there before? 21:35:16 <Ammler> welshdragon: that was brot 21:35:30 <PeterT> welshdragon, contact KenjiE20 for things about the bot 21:35:31 <welshdragon> aah 21:35:40 <PeterT> Oh, right, brot 21:35:51 <Ammler> currently we have on devzone bot anymore 21:35:59 <Ammler> no* 21:36:30 <welshdragon> :( 21:41:43 <planetmaker> hello simozzz 21:41:54 <planetmaker> you need to give the pulic key to me :-) 21:42:12 <planetmaker> (and keep your private key secret ;-) ) 21:42:23 <simozzz> How can I do it? 21:42:34 <planetmaker> paste.openttd.org should do 21:42:42 <planetmaker> or forum mail 21:42:52 <planetmaker> preferably paste 21:43:27 <planetmaker> other question: do you then plan to use mercurial as your version control system? 21:44:52 <simozzz> done. 21:46:19 <planetmaker> link? 21:46:21 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: British Rail OpenTTD Set - Support #780 (New): Forums Upgrade <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/780> 21:47:07 <Ammler> hehe 21:47:23 <Ammler> you might first need to speak about deve environment :-) 21:48:45 <Ammler> welshdragon: we told you already, the devzone does also have a forum... 21:48:52 <Ammler> ? 21:49:24 <welshdragon> Ammler: i'm happy having them on my own server 21:49:44 <welshdragon> (eventually they'll go on to a Virtual Machine) 21:49:56 <Ammler> welshdragon: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/bros/settings/boards 21:50:26 <welshdragon> Ammler: yes, yes, but we already have them on my own server 21:52:37 <planetmaker> nvm, found the pasted stuff 21:52:54 *** simozzz has quit IRC 21:54:54 <planetmaker> oh well. 21:57:27 *** simozzz has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:57:36 <PeterT> Oh well. 21:58:46 <simozzz> sthg wrong with connection... Planetmaker, have you recieved it? 21:59:59 <planetmaker> yes, I found it 22:00:23 <planetmaker> question is: do you know your way around with mercurial? 22:01:21 <simozzz> I've changed .ini 22:02:10 <planetmaker> uhm... which ini? 22:02:38 <simozzz> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/home/wiki/Configuring_TortoiseHg_(Windows) 22:03:44 <planetmaker> ah, ok :-) 22:05:45 <planetmaker> Ok, I initialized a (empty) repo on the server 22:06:16 <planetmaker> have you added to your Mercurial.ini the section with [ui] ? 22:06:56 <planetmaker> or actually similar to the "All changes" as proposed on the bottom of the page you linked? 22:07:07 <planetmaker> then we *should* be ready to go 22:07:58 <simozzz> Almost like "All changes", but some strings missed. 22:09:32 <planetmaker> ok, the problem I now have is that I never really used tortoiseHG myself, but let's try; 22:09:46 <planetmaker> there must be somewhere a way to clone an existing repository 22:09:51 <simozzz> Strings like "merge = kdiff3" and "vdiff = vdiff", or I can't ind them there... 22:10:33 <PeterT> anyone here good with AV? 22:10:39 <planetmaker> You can just put them there, simozzz 22:10:39 <PeterT> who can help me in #avignon? 22:10:42 <planetmaker> Just add them 22:14:41 <simozzz> what's next? 22:15:20 <planetmaker> try to pull the empty repo as described http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/home/wiki/Using_TortoiseHg_%28Windows%29 <-- there 22:16:05 <planetmaker> hg clone ssh://ottdc@mz.openttdcoop.org/hg-repos/xussrset 22:18:21 *** Avignon has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 22:18:31 <PeterT> Ok, so Avignon works 22:18:34 <PeterT> now, how do I start OpenTTD? 22:20:15 <planetmaker> PeterT: two people know that: Osai and dihedral 22:20:34 <PeterT> planetmaker, and PeterT 22:20:39 <PeterT> i just figured it out 22:20:45 <planetmaker> good. 22:20:45 <PeterT> "plugin load OpenTTD" 22:21:49 <PeterT> Avignon, start openttd 22:23:11 *** Avignon has quit IRC 22:29:31 <Ammler> then write docs 22:29:41 <simozzz> I've cloned and pulled xussr repo. 22:31:32 *** Frankr has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 22:36:44 <simozzz> I'm off to bed. Bye. 22:37:00 *** simozzz has quit IRC 22:45:15 *** ODM has quit IRC 22:48:15 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: #openttdcoop - Membership #778 (Closed): Applying for project: xUSSRset <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/778#change-2087> 23:03:47 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Revision 317: Doc: Update building and contributing sections a bit <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/317> 23:43:50 <Rubidium> Ammler, planetmaker, anyone open??x related: can I commit+push the description language updates? 23:44:04 <planetmaker> go right ahead 23:47:29 <Rubidium> okay, pushed 23:48:15 <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/opengfx.log <- don't like the first few lines; up to Cleaning it's a make clean, the rest is a simple make 23:48:32 <Rubidium> I'm using dash as shell, i.e. not bash 23:48:44 <Rubidium> i.e. you're using bashisms 23:49:24 <planetmaker> he. obviously... 23:50:09 <planetmaker> could you post the output with _V= as parameter please? 23:50:51 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenSFX - Revision 75: -Update: African, Arabic, Catalan, Danish, Estonian, Greek and Norwegian (... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opensfx/repository/revisions/75> || OpenMSX - Revision 20: -Update: African, Arabic, Catalan, Danish, Estonian, Greek and Norwegian (... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/openmsx/repository/revisions/20> || OpenGFX - Revision 318: -Update: African, Arabic, Catalan, Danish, Estonian, Greek and Norwegian ... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/318> 23:51:17 <Rubidium> planetmaker: updated 23:51:48 *** V453000 is now known as Guest537 23:52:17 <planetmaker> thanks 23:52:53 <planetmaker> I guess a line like "[ -e blub ] && echo "found" || echo "not found" doesn't parse, right? 23:53:12 <planetmaker> (without the first quotation mark) 23:53:14 <Ammler> Rubidium: if I may ask, what is the advantage of dash? Or is that just personal preference? 23:54:27 <Rubidium> Ammler: it's default with new Debian installs 23:54:35 <Rubidium> the problem seems to be == 23:55:01 <Ammler> yeah, reading wikipedia about 23:55:02 <planetmaker> the line I quoted works? 23:55:09 <Ammler> seems also default on ubutunt 23:55:16 <Ammler> ubuntu 23:55:50 <Ammler> compacter than bash -> a bit faster 23:56:20 <Rubidium> $ [ -e blub ] && echo "found" || echo "not found" 23:56:20 <Rubidium> not found 23:57:25 <planetmaker> ok :-) 23:58:53 <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/opengfx.diff <- solves the problem + removes some trailing whitespace 23:58:56 <Ammler> dash seems to be exclusive debian 23:59:07 <Ammler> not installed on suse and not available 23:59:35 <Rubidium> Ammler: nevertheless, /bin/sh is sh. It's not bash 23:59:50 <Rubidium> especially because you define shell in the makefile to be /bin/sh