Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 8th March 2010:
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09:44:57  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Document: Usage statistics <> || OpenGFX - usage_statistics.txt <>
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12:25:17  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Code Review #751: Some build system patches from Debian <>
12:39:19  <Ammler> planetmaker: what does target docs?
12:41:24  <planetmaker> create the documentation files
12:41:38  <planetmaker> upon special request by matthijs / blathijs
12:42:01  <Ammler> and when do you use that?
12:42:08  <planetmaker> I don't ;-)
12:42:13  <Ammler> and he?
12:42:22  <planetmaker> Dunno. I didn't look at his build scripts
12:42:49  <Ammler> so he doesn't run make all
12:43:47  <planetmaker> I'm sure he does
12:43:49  <Ammler> what you could consider, but not really necessary for rpm
12:43:55  <Ammler> installing the docs...
12:44:11  <planetmaker> well. I asked him for feedback, the ticket is not yet closed
12:44:18  <planetmaker> or is it?
12:44:41  <Ammler> well, he can't close it, that is up2you ;-)
12:44:51  <planetmaker> yes, but he can give feedback
12:44:54  <Ammler> he did
12:45:03  <planetmaker> oh, I didn't see it yet
12:52:58  <planetmaker> he, it's not like the answer was pending there for long :-P
12:53:55  <Ammler> planetmaker: email :-)
12:54:36  <planetmaker> yes. But I deliberately turned off e-mail notification. And it's not like I check it every minute either
12:54:55  <planetmaker> (the notification of my local e-mail programme, not the sending of confirmation by redmine)
12:55:28  <planetmaker> though... I haven't gotten any.
12:55:30  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Code Review #751 (Closed): Some build system patches from Debian <>
12:56:59  <Ammler> I set it to "only for things I'm involved or watch"
12:57:35  <Ammler> but true, for you that might still be a lot :-)
12:57:38  <planetmaker> yes, that's what I have
12:57:54  <planetmaker> but I guess it's in graylisting still
12:58:25  <Ammler> :-o
12:58:36  <Ammler> isn't on the whitelist? :-P
12:58:58  <Ammler> sucky mail admin
13:01:44  <planetmaker> it's not me :-)
13:02:09  <planetmaker> and it's not like senders cannot be forged
13:02:10  <Ammler> as said, sucky mail admin ;-)
13:02:30  <Ammler> how you do that?
13:02:42  <Ammler> then you need to hack the dns
13:03:13  <planetmaker> you can forge the from easily. I even once sent an e-mail from ;-)
13:03:18  <planetmaker> just telnet the e-mail server
13:03:29  <Ammler> well, I wouldn't whitelist that
13:03:33  <planetmaker> :-D
13:03:39  <Ammler> I would whitelist the sender host
13:04:49  <Ammler> afaik, greylisting doesn't care about sender address
13:05:26  <Ammler> that is spf, which is another thing, imo.
13:06:27  <planetmaker> yes. But sometimes my e-mail is really really slow in delivering some things.
13:06:38  <planetmaker> at least all *@planetmaker addresses
13:06:45  <planetmaker> my university is much faster
13:08:53  <Ammler> btw. did you ever get a bill for our server?
13:11:29  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Nutracks - Bug #773 (Feedback): renum errors <> || NewGRFs - Feature #275 (Rejected): make bananas <>
13:24:29  <planetmaker> Nope, I didn't
13:57:57  <Ammler> maybe our complains stopped those from making a bill?
13:58:14  <Ammler> hmm, need to recheck my credi card, but can't remember something
13:58:16  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Nutracks - Bug #773: renum errors <>
13:58:37  <Ammler> the nightly compile seems quite uesless...
13:58:55  <Ammler> nobody does care about the errors/warnings...
14:01:14  <planetmaker> not true, Ammler
14:02:16  <Ammler> maybe except you :-P
14:03:11  <Rubidium> Ammler: "care" or "gets notified"
14:04:10  <Rubidium> if it would be spewing "compiled X (Y warnings, Z errors)" after compiles you'll get more peer pressure to actually fix them.
14:05:07  <Rubidium> on the other hand nforenum/grfcodec lagging behind to the spec changes OpenTTD makes makes it hard to support new features and please nforenum
14:05:47  <Ammler> maybe you should fork it?
14:06:10  <planetmaker> that would be... a bad thing wrt the community
14:06:41  <planetmaker> But I'd like to see one or two additional persons who could make commits there
14:11:31  <Ammler> planetmaker: there are maybe 2 active patch devs
14:11:52  <Ammler> dalestan and eis_os but also very rarly
14:12:06  <planetmaker> I didn't say more patch devs need more access there. JGR also works on patch still
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14:12:37  <planetmaker> I rather though about Y3xo or so getting commit access to renum / grfcodec ;-)
14:13:07  <Ammler> or the ottd dev team
14:13:35  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Nutracks - Bug #773: renum errors <>
14:15:06  <Ammler> it isn't that easy to make a automatically bug report from the compile logs
14:15:14  <DJNekkid> hmm
14:15:37  <Ammler> but it is quite easy to check, if the error log file size is 0
14:16:08  <Ammler> and not to commit new features until it is fixed or confirmed as "unfixeable"
14:17:23  <Ammler> "unfixeable" mostly ends in silence the warning...
14:18:47  <DJNekkid> renum vs Railtypes isnt really usefull atm...
14:19:02  <DJNekkid> it renums properly, but it warns and create bogus errormessages all over
14:19:04  <planetmaker> it doesn't hurt either, but yeah
14:19:48  <Ammler> also with yexo's patch?
14:20:08  <DJNekkid> another patch=?
14:20:15  <DJNekkid> i have default 2309 atm
14:23:02  <Ammler> hmm, the devzone uses 2304M
14:23:40  <Ammler> it wasn't recommend to update :-)
14:23:46  <planetmaker> It should keep that
14:24:03  <planetmaker> the current nforenum trunk is worse than yexo's patches to r2304
14:28:29  <Ammler> also the control chars for some strings could go to nforenum trunk
14:29:48  <planetmaker> control chars?
14:30:15  <Ammler> isn't there a advnaced setting, which allows tracks also if there is no vehicle?
14:30:20  <Ammler> planetmaker: //!!Warning (144): Offset 18: Control character 94 should not be used in this string.
14:31:23  <Ammler> most newgrf disable that
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14:32:42  <Ammler> DJNekkid: IMO, you shouldn't disable any warning as long as you can't disable all
14:32:57  <Ammler> so you can keep track what is supported what isn't
14:33:28  <Ammler> as you get a non-"0" error log anyway
14:33:41  <Ammler> can't*
14:36:28  <Ammler> -can't* :-)
14:36:57  <DJNekkid> Ammler: i didnt disable anything :)
14:37:05  <DJNekkid> thats the works of a maker of planets :D
14:37:13  <DJNekkid> (afaik)
14:37:14  <planetmaker> :-)
14:37:21  <Ammler> bad boy then :-)
14:37:38  <planetmaker> nah, I silenced it when renum was kinda broken for tracks
14:38:04  <Ammler> and warning 44 was so bad, you disabled it twice? :-P
14:38:33  <DJNekkid> sounds reasonable :D
14:39:05  <planetmaker> - * - = +
14:39:09  <planetmaker> :P
14:52:18  <DJNekkid> hmm
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15:45:15  <DJNekkid> wtf!
15:49:33  <DJNekkid> now it works ... and; nice! :D
15:52:39  <DJNekkid> planning track gfx inc :D
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16:02:47  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Nutracks - Revision 38: Add: Planing tracks <>
16:17:55  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Nutracks - Revision 39: Add: 3rd rail gfx <>
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17:50:36  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Nutracks - Revision 40: Change: Planning gfx is now stapled lines, not full lines <>
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18:11:02  <DJNekkid> what a silence!
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18:25:57  <andythenorth> hi
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18:43:50  <DJNekkid> hi andy! :D
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18:52:46  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Nutracks - Revision 41: Add: Opengfx depot on all railtypes <>
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19:47:31  <DJNekkid> hi andythenorth :=
19:47:33  <DJNekkid> :)
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20:12:44  <DJNekkid> yey!
20:24:51  <Ammler> no!
20:24:53  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: xUSSR Set - Feature #788 (Assigned): ТЭП70 / TEP70 <> || xUSSR Set - Feature #787 (Assigned): Локомотивы серии "Ермак" / "Ermak" series. <>
20:25:02  <Ammler> hmm
20:25:16  <planetmaker> oh, yes
20:25:37  <planetmaker> oh joy for reading those messages :-P
20:25:53  <Ammler> we should ask them to post english
20:26:12  <planetmaker> well...
20:27:13  <Ammler> I guess, they still are testing :-)
20:27:25  <planetmaker> I'd guess so, too.
20:27:35  <planetmaker> I guess also they have no real clue about hg... :S
20:27:50  <planetmaker> But talking to them is not easy due to language barrier
20:28:56  <DJNekkid> lovely! :D
20:29:22  <DJNekkid> ehm
20:29:33  <planetmaker> Ammler: asking that is not required actually
20:29:44  <DJNekkid> if you look at the ticket it actually seems like they write in english as well
20:29:46  <planetmaker> The Russian text is a 1:1 translation of the English sentence below
20:30:38  <planetmaker> doing it bi-lingual is actually quite ok, I think; might get more attention from the real Russians out there ;-)
20:31:46  <DJNekkid> any other good ideas for the nutracks?
20:32:13  <planetmaker> I like the idea of the dashed planning tracks
20:32:25  <planetmaker> I'm personally not 100% happy with how the 3rd rail looks.
20:32:30  <DJNekkid> me either
20:32:42  <DJNekkid> im personally not happy with anything but the 160kmh tracks tbg
20:32:44  <DJNekkid> tbh
20:32:48  <planetmaker> But I cannot give constructive criticism there... - except maybe one: make the 3rd rail such that it continues on the circle
20:33:03  <planetmaker> i.e. doesn't change sides
20:35:15  <Rubidium> planetmaker: kinda impossible
20:36:04  <Rubidium> that would need 8 orientations or rail but there are only 4 | / - and \
20:37:28  <DJNekkid> true!
20:37:50  <DJNekkid> i guess i'll just adopt the old metrotracks
20:41:08  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: xUSSR Set - Feature #789 (Assigned): Хоппер-зерновоз модели 11-739 / Grain Hopper 11-739 <>
20:42:27  <DJNekkid> @timer
20:42:42  <DJNekkid> @timer on
20:42:46  <DJNekkid> or something
20:43:55  <planetmaker> ah... true that, Rubidium
20:57:11  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: xUSSR Set - Feature #789: Хоппер-зерновоз модели 11-739 / Grain Hopper 11-739 <>
21:02:53  <DJNekkid> hmm
21:03:13  <DJNekkid> perhaps catenary GUI-stuff for the catenary'ed railtypes...
21:58:53  <planetmaker> gah.... :-( put wrong credits in commit message
21:59:26  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Support #156 (Reopened): Temperate sprites for toyland <> || OpenGFX - Revision 323: Change: New graphics for the Ploddyhut Choo Choo (by DanDan) <>
22:03:17  <planetmaker> hehe. rolled back :-P
22:14:30  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Support #156: Temperate sprites for toyland <>
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22:44:38  <Ammler> He :-)
22:44:40  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenMSX - Revision 21: Feature: Add 'Busy Schedule' and 'The Fast Route' by mimm <>
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