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01:17:22 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 01:28:17 <PeterT> @seen Hirundo 01:28:17 <Webster> PeterT: Hirundo was last seen in #openttdcoop.devzone 1 week, 1 day, 4 hours, 34 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <Hirundo> planning tracks... nice idea :) 01:32:19 *** Chris_Booth has left #openttdcoop.devzone 05:27:50 *** Frankr has quit IRC 07:03:20 <DJNekkid> planetmaker: another thing i were wondering about yesterday... is it possible to make a project a sub-project of another one? 07:04:27 <DJNekkid> i.e. for examplem two track sets could (and should?) use the same templates, and if one is updated, so is the other... 07:51:01 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:56:05 <DJNekkid> hmm, i actually think i've found a way, but the question is how the nightlies will be produced 08:28:01 <Ammler> the issue is bananas, not nightlies, afaik 08:28:13 <Ammler> bananas supports one grf only. 08:29:14 <Ammler> but you could upload the bundle twice just remove one and then the other... 08:49:28 <DJNekkid> my thoughts were: 08:50:12 <DJNekkid> root dir contains theese dirs: <set1> <set2> <setN> templates 08:50:24 <DJNekkid> and each <setN> dir have its own makefile 08:56:41 <Ammler> then you should branch it 08:56:55 <Ammler> and if you change the templates just merge those 08:57:09 <Ammler> but you know, the new Makefile supports multiple grfs 08:57:18 <Ammler> maybe wait for planetmaker :-) 08:57:26 <DJNekkid> probably :) 08:58:19 <Ammler> pulling/merging from another repo "should" be quite easy 08:58:28 <Ammler> or you create branches 08:59:15 <Ammler> the question is, does set2 really need the templates only? 08:59:39 <Ammler> or might it be possible, it could also use pcxes? 09:00:14 <Ammler> the coolest thing would be to add the templates to the newgrf example grf 09:00:42 <Ammler> as you merge the Makefile changes too from time to tome 09:01:11 <Ammler> so the Makefile example become a "real" framework 09:03:41 <Ammler> sprites/tmpl/<category>/<template>.tnfo -> sprites/tmpl/trains/mu.tnfo or sprites/tmpl/railtypes/whatever.tnfo 09:04:13 <Ammler> @monolog 09:18:46 <planetmaker> <Ammler> the coolest thing would be to add the templates to the newgrf example grf <-- that might make sense (also @ DJNekkid) 09:19:39 <planetmaker> Ammler, is also right: multiple newgrfs is mostly a problem with bananas - it only accepts one newgrf per newgrf. So if you do more than one in a repo, you cannot upload the bundle_zip 09:19:43 <planetmaker> (or whatever bundle) 09:19:52 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 602: merge <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/602> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 601: Fix: Machine Shop tiles now correctly accept Fuel Oil <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/601> || Redmine - Revision 3403: Fixed: some textile modifiers combinations don't work, eg. bold inside u... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/3403> || Redmine - Revision 3402: Refactor: Extract method for setting the flash on bulk issue saves. <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/3402> 09:20:13 <planetmaker> otherwise: it's perfectly fine to build several newgrf from one repo 09:20:28 <planetmaker> well... there might be some quirks, but... 09:20:38 <planetmaker> at least make blub.grf 09:20:47 <planetmaker> should always work, if blub.pnfo is found somewhere 09:21:01 <planetmaker> and then you can make as many grf as you want, if that many pnfo are there 09:27:15 <Ammler> and what would make bundle_zip do? 09:28:06 <Ammler> might it be possible to add one grf as default and the others only per request 09:28:14 <Ammler> for example if they are built before? 09:28:36 <Ammler> make all = make main.grf 09:29:07 <Ammler> make special.grf -> make bundle_zip includes special grf 09:29:27 <Ammler> hmm 09:30:09 <planetmaker> Probably yes or with very minor modifications 09:30:33 <planetmaker> declare main_target = main.grf 09:30:43 <planetmaker> and then add extra=other.grf 09:30:52 <planetmaker> then it might work. But I haven't tested 09:31:17 <planetmaker> or extra_files= 09:31:21 <planetmaker> or however that is called 09:33:35 <Ammler> well, except my "ugly" minigrf, it doesn't make sense to make multiple grf in same repo 09:33:57 <Ammler> if the pcxes/nfo aren't shared 09:34:31 <planetmaker> well... depends. But if nothing is shared there's at least not much point to it. 09:36:14 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Client Patch Pack - Revision 749: Update, Fix last: Actually add the new patchpack <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/clientpatches/repository/revisions/749> || Client Patch Pack - Revision 748: Update: client_patches to r19386 (psg178) <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/clientpatches/repository/revisions/748> 09:39:28 <Ammler> vehicels in tunnels is actually quite a nice patch, SmatZ :-) 09:40:36 <Ammler> specially that you can click those 09:41:35 <Rubidium> it becomes a mess once you have crossing tunnels, normal rail and bridges 09:44:05 <Ammler> might be, but he made those like "transparent" so not really noticeable 09:44:26 <Ammler> and also added GUI to enable :-o 09:45:16 <Ammler> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/592/vehicels_in_tunnel.png 09:52:17 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #764: Stockpiling behaviour of Manufacturing Supplies <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/764#change-2147> 09:57:00 <Rubidium> Ammler: which train to choose when there are 4 trains on top of eachother? :) 09:57:06 *** ODM has quit IRC 10:07:42 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #805 (New): Sheep farm shouldn't produce cotton <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/805> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #804 (New): Set base cargo rates for a standard economy <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/804> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #803 (New): Finish two economies - Basic, Extreme <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/803> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #802 (New): Bakery shouldn't accept cane <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/802> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #801 (New): Arable Farm shouldn't produce cane <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/801> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #800 (New): Brewery has too many input cargos <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/800> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #799 (New): Introduction dates for industries <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/799> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #798 (New): Complete basic texts <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/798> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #797 (New): Recycling plant production code <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/797> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #796 (New): Fishing Harbour production code <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/796> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #795 (New): Check production levels for other primary ind... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/795> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #794 (New): Increase scrapyard default production amount <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/794> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #793 (New): Change Primary Boost Supplies to Monthly Deli... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/793> 10:08:22 <andythenorth> is there a way to delete roadmap milestones in redmine? 10:10:04 <Ammler> yes, settings->versions 10:10:18 <andythenorth> Ammler: thanks :) 10:30:07 *** Doorslammer has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:34:45 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:40:29 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #458 (Closed): Bauxite Mine <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/458#change-2175> 11:14:49 <andythenorth> planetmaker: hi hi 11:21:26 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:28:36 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #603 (Closed): build errors <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/603#change-2200> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 604: Fix: wrong byte count for Junkyard action 0 <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/604> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #777 (Closed): Sheep farm producing cotton in Tropic <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/777#change-2199> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #805 (Closed): Sheep farm shouldn't produce cotton <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/805#change-2198" target="_blank">http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/805#change-2198> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 603: Change: modified climate availability of some cargo... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/603> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #805 (Closed): Sheep farm shouldn't produce cotton <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/805> 11:29:24 *** ODM has quit IRC 11:31:49 <planetmaker> hi andythenorth 11:32:06 <andythenorth> :) it's ok, I figured out my FIRS problem 11:32:15 <planetmaker> :-) 11:44:38 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #794 (Closed): Increase scrapyard default production amount <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/794#change-2204> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 606: Change: small increase in default production for Ju... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/606> || OpenSFX - Revision 77: -Change: tweak the readme a bit w.r.t. installation and the reasoning behi... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opensfx/repository/revisions/77> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #800 (Closed): Brewery has too many input cargos <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/800#change-2203> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #801 (Closed): Arable Farm shouldn't produce cane <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/801#change-2202> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #802 (Closed): Bakery shouldn't accept cane <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/802#change-2201> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 605: Fix: Cane no longer occupies same ID as Grain <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/605> || Climate dependant airports - Revision 38: Feature: replace the last buildings with snow-aware ver... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/airportsplus/repository/revisions/38> || Climate dependant airports - Revision 37: Feature: replace towner on international, intercontinen... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/airportsplus/repository/revisions/37> 12:42:13 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:07:46 <andythenorth> planetmaker: hi hi. Got time to help me with a FIRS question (one of the templates you wrote)? 13:14:53 <planetmaker> well ask. 16:15:13 <DJNekkid> did "we" figure out anything about multiple grfs use same template(s) ? 16:57:37 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: MiniGRFs - basecosts-presets.grf <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/594/basecosts-presets.grf> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #596: Primary Industry Production Boosting Behaviour <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/596#change-2206> || MiniGRFs - Feature #746 (Closed): Presets for base costs <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/746#change-2205> || MiniGRFs - ogfx-debug.zip <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/593/ogfx-debug.zip> 17:00:22 <andythenorth> planetmaker: did the makefile change a lot recently? 17:01:21 <Ammler> yes 17:01:44 <Ammler> but it should still work like before... 17:01:54 <Ammler> just very fast 17:01:58 <andythenorth> it seems quite a bit slower for FIRS 17:02:06 <Ammler> :-o 17:02:21 <andythenorth> seems to get hung up a while on [Generating] Makefile.dep 17:02:41 <andythenorth> sorry :| 17:02:50 <Ammler> sorry? 17:03:46 <andythenorth> to be the bearer of bad news 17:04:08 <Ammler> well, better bad news than no news 17:04:10 <planetmaker> it shouldn't really be slower. Not much 17:04:19 <planetmaker> But yes, it changed basically 100% 17:04:41 <Ammler> or is it other around? 17:05:23 <planetmaker> andythenorth, it might be, I don't recall, that I put the 'speedup' into FIRS and then changed to the new one 17:05:45 <planetmaker> Then the new one is a bit slower than the old one made fast. But it still is faster than the old one. 17:05:54 <planetmaker> And it does almost proper dependency check 17:07:50 <planetmaker> But the dependency check means that every source file is read and checked for files which it includes 17:08:35 <Ammler> mäh, I bulkuploaded crap :-( 17:08:42 <Ammler> (to bananas 17:09:48 <planetmaker> mäh 17:13:06 <planetmaker> what is crap about the version you uploaded? 17:17:44 <Ammler> I forgot something, I uploaded 12 grfs :-)I 17:17:49 <Ammler> and all are wrong 17:18:12 <Ammler> well, not wrong, just not like I wanted :-P 17:26:25 <planetmaker> 12?! 17:46:58 <Ammler> :-) 17:50:02 <Ammler> that is why :'-( 17:50:20 <Ammler> else I could just uplaod the new fixed version :-) 18:12:40 <Ammler> Error: NOT_REACHED triggered at line 735 of /home/marcel/bin/autostart/ps.openttdcoop.org-3979-svn/src/gamelog.cpp <-- ist that because of the patch pack? 18:19:17 *** Frankr has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:21:03 <Rubidium> don't know which patch pack you're talking about, but it's quite probably it is 18:29:15 <Ammler> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/clientpatches/wiki <-- 5 patches 18:37:26 <Ammler> Rubidium: same crash with trunk 18:37:42 <Ammler> I get it, if I load a save with grfs I don't have 18:37:54 <Ammler> then opening content downloader -> crash 18:38:36 <Rubidium> in gamelog? 18:38:47 <Ammler> yes... 18:39:14 <Ammler> there is no crash.log|sav|png 18:39:31 <Rubidium> is there something special about the savegame besides missing NewGRFs? 18:39:35 <Rubidium> like ancient or so 18:39:57 <Ammler> http://pastebin.ca/1835810 18:40:26 <Ammler> hmm, made with patched client 18:41:00 <Rubidium> WHAT? 18:41:05 <Rubidium> TWICE the same NewGRF? 18:41:11 <Rubidium> that's definitely wrong 18:41:26 <Rubidium> guess you used the 'new' NewGRF window thingy, right? 18:41:38 <Ammler> no 18:41:53 <Ammler> it has the same name but different ID 18:42:07 <Ammler> (and differnt md5sum) 18:42:20 <Rubidium> Ammler: look at lines 75 and 76 of the paste 18:43:01 <Rubidium> if those GRF IDs aren't the same then... I better quit OpenTTD 18:43:15 <Ammler> well they are 18:43:26 <Ammler> I made the save with an older 18:43:53 <Ammler> as I have locally, but bananas would have the old version 18:45:35 <Rubidium> having the SAME NewGRF, i.e. the SAME GRF ID, twice in a NewGRF config is guarded by the NewGRF window. If you have the same GRF ID multiple times in the same config something is really wrong 18:45:49 <Ammler> I don't have 18:46:21 <Rubidium> then why does the fucking gamelog say it does have 60923A08 twice? 18:46:44 <Ammler> oh, that is wrong 18:46:49 <Ammler> that is no grfid 18:47:01 <Ammler> my grfid are the 8 first chars of the md5sum :-D 18:47:43 <Rubidium> then the gamelog data is corrupt 18:48:16 <Rubidium> no idea how you managed it, but it's a modified build so I don't really care 18:48:27 <Ammler> http://imagebin.ca/view/0e7RGUN.html 18:48:28 <Webster> Title: plasma-desktopH30862.jpg (at imagebin.ca) 18:48:41 <Ammler> yeah, understandable, try to reproduce... 18:49:18 <Ammler> I didn't post it on #openttd because of that :-) 18:50:03 <Rubidium> I've tried to load NewGRFs via bananas via that same window in the situation I was missing NewGRF this morning. It worked fine. 18:54:41 <Ammler> hmm, with the original gui, it isn't possible to chose between different versions 18:54:47 <Ammler> only one version is showed 18:59:09 <Ammler> ok, get the crash also with "clean" trunk 18:59:27 <Ammler> > ./findversion.sh 18:59:29 <Ammler> h671246bf 19389 0 h671246bf 18:59:37 <Rubidium> with a savegame that isn't touched by a modified version? 19:00:01 <Ammler> yes, I made the save with that version, closed 19:00:07 <Ammler> removed the grfs and loaded it 19:00:24 <Ammler> then I get the message about missing and modified grf 19:00:34 <Ammler> then I started content-downloader crash 19:00:42 <Ammler> oh, I have the files 19:02:54 <Ammler> http://openttdcoop.org/ammler/crash 19:04:17 <Rubidium> why oh why is the gamelog data corrupt? 19:06:36 <Ammler> (trunk.sav is the save I loaded...) 19:07:26 <Rubidium> yes, that has already corrupted gamelog data 19:07:45 <Ammler> oh? 19:08:45 <Ammler> hmm 19:09:21 <Ammler> could it be a os issue? 19:09:34 <Rubidium> aha... found it 19:11:25 *** Doorslammer has quit IRC 19:12:29 <Ammler> so bug of me or you? 19:13:48 <Rubidium> bug of Yexo 19:18:09 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: 32bpp-extra - Revision 29: Feature:add one road signs (Maquinista) <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/32bpp-extra/repository/revisions/29> 19:19:07 <Rubidium> Ammler: bug fixed, broken savegames remain :) 19:19:41 <Ammler> ok, will test, THANK YOU! 19:25:13 <Ammler> hmm, our current ps runs on that 19:25:39 <Ammler> the only issue is, if it breaks, the crashlog is chaos, else no issue? 19:26:45 <Rubidium> as long as the crash log data isn't used it should be fine 19:30:44 <Rubidium> planetmaker: on what date do you expect to release the next version of OpenGFX? 19:31:33 <Rubidium> so we can do OpenSFX on the same day too and I have time to flush the (few) pending translations 19:32:19 <Ammler> afaik, he is kinda absent next week 19:34:04 <Ammler> I would like to bulkrealign the houses, then release 0.2.2 as kind of RC and anohter release before openttd 1.0 19:34:06 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #806 (New): Primary production callback code ought to use... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/806> 19:34:33 <Rubidium> well... go on an release 0.2.2 "soon" :) 19:34:48 <Ammler> this weekend... 19:34:59 <Ammler> if my test case works :-) 19:35:00 <Rubidium> because if all goes well OpenTTD 1.0.0 is in like less than 3 weeks 19:35:47 <Ammler> but the installer isn't fixed on a opengfx version 19:37:29 <Ammler> anyway, I try to make "my job" today and tomorrow, then it is up2pm, if we release... 19:38:30 <Ammler> Rubidium: did GeekToo ever discuss with you devs about the 32bpp extra grf? 19:39:14 <Ammler> I hope, it is the right way... 19:41:23 <SmatZ> 32bpp grf? 19:43:22 <Ammler> yeah 19:43:40 <Ammler> because openttd.grf and ogfx_extra.grf changes 19:44:29 <Ammler> he does create a 32bpp_extra.grf for the 32bpp sprites with caps between realsprites and no logic 19:45:19 <Ammler> so the extra sprites will keep the same 19:46:33 <Ammler> also kinda recommend by us... 19:46:55 <Ammler> but I told him quite often, he should get feedback from the devs... 19:47:47 <Ammler> like possibilty about "autoloding" 19:50:09 <Ammler> Rubidium: FIX is fine... 21:10:27 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 611: Change: better text string to explain purpose of Fa... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/611> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 610: Change: sandpit was producing engineering supplies ... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/610> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 609: Change: modified industry tile cb flags for primary... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/609> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 608: Change: adjust cb flags (prop 21) for primary indus... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/608> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 607: Change: reworked production code for primary indust... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/607> 21:16:55 <andythenorth> planetmaker: prizes for you: stockpiling is now removed from FIRS primary industry 21:26:29 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #807 (New): Primary industres - remove any legacy stockpi... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/807> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #808 (New): Primary industres - remove any legacy stockpi... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/808> 21:29:50 <Ammler> hmm, bulk realignment isn't possible 22:29:52 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Bug #77: town building misalignment <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/77#change-2208> 22:49:02 <Ammler> hmm, good night :-) 23:02:44 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: TTDViewer - Revision 6: -Feature: Reload file when it gets modified on disk. <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ttdviewer/repository/revisions/6> || TTDViewer - Revision 5: -Codechange: Deduplicate code by adding DefaultChangeEventTrigger. <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ttdviewer/repository/revisions/5> 23:06:02 *** ODM has quit IRC