Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 29th March 2010:
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00:15:35  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Bug #280: standard signals <>
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09:04:46  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Revision 406: Change: Modify readme style a bit in order to allow easier pasting of it ... <> || Redmine - Revision 3466: Fixes an error when running tests coverage. <> || Redmine - Revision 3465: Preview description if it was edited while updating an issue (#741). <> || Redmine - Revision 3464: Fixes broken test. <> || Redmine - Revision 3463: Applies the same style to the admin project tree than issues. <> || Redmine - Revision 3462: Slight optimization in issue tree rendering. <>
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09:20:50  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Bug #280: standard signals <>
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09:36:52  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Bug #280: standard signals <>
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09:52:54  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: 32bpp-EZ - Support #874: Create repository <>
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10:36:43  <Ammler> maybe we should also make version subfolders on bundles for releases (and nightlies)
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10:42:24  <Rubidium> you mean like /opengfx/releases/0.2.2/opengfx-0.2.2* ?
10:42:42  <Ammler> yes, like you do in openttd
10:45:30  <Ammler> there are already some files per version
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10:50:29  <planetmaker> Ammler, I still think it's ok with one folder. But I wouldn't mind either way.
10:50:50  <planetmaker> And we only should start doing so with the next release, I think, or it might require modification of the installer (again)
10:51:03  <Ammler> no
10:51:13  <Ammler> installer has its own mirror
10:51:31  <Ammler> Rubidium: or not anymore?
10:51:33  <planetmaker> well. But other places like readme etc pp also need an update
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10:51:54  <Ammler> planetmaker: if you go to the releases folder, you still see the files
10:52:10  <planetmaker> True.
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10:52:42  <Rubidium> yes, the installer uses its "own" mirror
10:52:51  <Ammler> nice cleanup of wiki btw., planetmaker
10:53:58  <Ammler> I thought, you will use the credits list change to change the sorting ;-)
10:54:41  <planetmaker> why should I change the sorting? :-) I'd only sort it ascending by the nicks, if I'd have my way :-)
10:54:52  <planetmaker> But that sorting was veto'ed ;-)
10:55:13  <Ammler> hehe
10:55:15  <planetmaker> btw, look how OpenTTD contributions are sorted ;-)
10:55:34  <Ammler> alphabetical
10:55:42  <planetmaker> yes. by the nicks
10:55:57  <planetmaker> or did that change?
10:56:02  <Ammler> no
10:56:22  <Ammler> at least not ingame, I checked lately
10:57:00  <planetmaker> developer vanished (again)
10:57:12  <planetmaker> err. wrong channel. again
10:57:24  <Ammler> we could btw. change the newspaper to a fully credits list
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10:57:39  <planetmaker> hm, that's a good idea indeed :-)
10:58:01  <Ammler> I forgot to suggest it, as zeph needed to fix it ;-)
10:58:25  <planetmaker> We might even fix that ourselves. Just the headline shouldn't be changed
10:59:25  <Rubidium> but then you need to automagically construct the image I'd say; otherwise adding more contributors gets quite tricky
10:59:48  <planetmaker> yeah... oh joy of image magic ;-)
10:59:48  <Ammler> well, we would need the source file from zeph ;-)
11:01:05  <Ammler> <-- :-o didn't know the project identifier is case insensitive
11:01:22  <planetmaker> it isn't?
11:01:38  <Ammler> well, you added that link to the wiki, so you should know :-P
11:01:58  <planetmaker> hm? which identifier?
11:02:11  <Ammler> in that case: "OpenGFX"
11:02:25  <planetmaker> And where is that an identifier?
11:02:36  <Ammler> opengfx is it
11:02:43  <planetmaker> OGFX is
11:02:49  <planetmaker> and that's case sensitive
11:03:00  <Ammler>
11:03:33  <planetmaker> ah, the redmine identifier
11:03:37  <Ammler> I am just suprised it works
11:03:46  <Ammler> might be a new feature of 0.9
11:03:52  <planetmaker> :-D
11:04:11  <planetmaker> I never bothered there with cases, I have to admit :-) I only checked that links work
11:05:06  <Ammler> <-- it doesn't work here
11:05:11  <Ammler> would need a module
11:06:10  <planetmaker> hm, yes
11:06:47  <planetmaker> well, I guess all links except that one are in small case. And that one works :-)
11:30:56  <planetmaker> maybe we should?
11:39:55  <planetmaker> DJNekkid, very true words :-)
12:06:09  * Rubidium ponders proposing a variant of Godwin's law
12:10:26  <Ammler> hmm, 2cc and dbset ice doesn't look similar
12:18:35  <planetmaker> Rubidium, would make sense. By what would you replace "nazi" or "hitler" in Godwin's law?
12:18:42  <planetmaker> "copy sprite"?
12:18:50  <planetmaker> or "mb" or "SAC" :-D
12:18:59  <Rubidium> more along the lines... "if mb reacts, the thread is dead"
12:20:13  <planetmaker> I especially like the reply wrt DJN "you are no artist".
12:20:44  <planetmaker> oh well. back to work
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13:19:06  <DJNekkid> if i were disconnected:
13:19:36  <DJNekkid> <DJNekkid> planetmaker: true words?
13:19:36  <DJNekkid> <DJNekkid> and yea
13:19:36  <DJNekkid> <DJNekkid> i reacted to that also...
13:22:26  <DJNekkid> :)
13:25:02  <planetmaker> btw, DJNekkid I think I'd like to talk you into reducing the amount of rail types in nutracks
13:25:22  <Ammler> DJNekkid: do respect the wish of irwe and stop discussion that in that thread...
13:25:43  <Ammler> (please) :-)
13:25:57  <planetmaker> 1+2*2+1(=6) rail, a maglev and 2 metros should be enough ;-)
13:26:32  <planetmaker> rail: slow early side line, medium and fast (both, rail and erail) and an electrified erail
13:26:32  * Ammler wonders, if mb does...
13:26:32  <Rubidium> planetmaker: lies! :)
13:27:06  <planetmaker> 2 metros = 3rd rail slow and fast
13:27:42  <Rubidium> I want 'rocket' rail too! :)
13:27:42  <planetmaker> It would make it easier to distinguish things and keep things to some sane level or tracks :-)
13:28:10  <planetmaker> Rubidium, do you give me a space port;-)
13:29:13  <Rubidium>
13:29:14  <Webster> Title: Rocket sled - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at
13:30:02  <planetmaker> Well... don't give me a spaceport, but an industry accepting 32 cargos ;-)
13:30:08  <planetmaker> Then I can make a spaceport :-P
13:30:37  <planetmaker> Though I guess there might even be already newgrf ways to mimic it.
13:30:55  <planetmaker> Like defining 10 industries which want to be close to eachother
13:31:06  <planetmaker> but that's a waste ;-)
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13:55:26  * andythenorth wants a pony
13:56:26  * planetmaker 's sister gets a full-sized horse.
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15:08:58  <DJNekkid> planetmaker: limiting the stuff in NuTracks ...
15:09:05  <DJNekkid> to what extent?
15:11:29  <planetmaker> <planetmaker> 1+2*2+1(=6) rail, a maglev and 2 metros should be enough ;-)
15:11:49  <planetmaker> maybe 2 narrow gauge?
15:12:05  <DJNekkid> what speeds on thoose rails?
15:12:49  <Rubidium> 2885 m/s
15:13:21  <DJNekkid> @calc 2885/3.6
15:13:21  <Webster> DJNekkid: 801.388888889
15:13:28  <Ammler> *
15:13:42  <DJNekkid> @calc 2885*3.6
15:13:42  <Webster> DJNekkid: 10386
15:13:48  <planetmaker> rail: 60km/h 120km/h 200km/h 400km/h
15:13:58  <planetmaker> maglev: 800km/h
15:14:03  <Ammler> s/400/unlimited/
15:14:19  <planetmaker> ^ or that :-) also for maglev
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15:14:29  <Rubidium> type 171, 2885 m/s!
15:14:34  <planetmaker> and narrow gauge: 100km/h 200km/h
15:14:41  <planetmaker> or alike :-)
15:14:52  <planetmaker> ah, metro: 80km/h 160km/h :-)
15:14:58  <Ammler> hmm, I should make my logic rail :-)
15:15:42  <Ammler> what is the factor for miles?
15:15:52  <DJNekkid> *confused already*
15:15:56  <planetmaker> Ammler, 1.6
15:16:32  <Ammler> 60 is bad then
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15:27:40  <Ammler> planetmaker: you should rename your Makefile Framework
15:27:53  <Ammler> as it isn't for newgrfs only
15:28:39  <Ammler> and maybe split the "special" targets to separate Makefiles?
15:29:24  <Ammler> Makefile.obg, Makefile.obs, Makefile.obm, Makefile.grf
15:35:08  <planetmaker> hm, yes. But it's not quite as simple
15:35:34  <planetmaker> especially OpenGFX and OpenMSX have modification in places where I don't like them ;-)
15:36:09  <planetmaker> s/GFX/SFX/
15:36:55  <planetmaker> thus those two projects don't work with the default makefile project and 'only' and added
15:38:11  <planetmaker> though OpenSFX' "problem" is only the dependency check. That's different
15:38:27  <planetmaker> as the sfo format is quite different
15:38:33  <planetmaker> rather like a table
15:38:50  <planetmaker> similar actually to OpenMSX but not quite the same ;-)
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15:55:22  <Ammler> hmm, what shall I do, if the compiler aborts because of oom
15:57:13  <DJNekkid> out of memory?
15:58:28  <Ammler> yes :-(
15:58:50  <Ammler> the server might get that...
15:59:16  <Ammler> maybe I should force -j1
16:06:58  <Ammler> planetmaker: you think, I should still determine the FILENAME after make or is there a more proper way?
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16:40:00  <planetmaker> Ammler, which filename?
16:47:41  <Ammler> for the archive:
16:50:03  <planetmaker> You mean, you want the name of the zip file which bundle_zip creates?
16:50:30  <Ammler> yes, is there a way to get it?
16:51:02  <Ammler> hmm, I could grep Makefile.config
16:51:20  <Rubidium> just use a makefile to copy the file and include the main makefile used for bundle_zip
16:51:22  <planetmaker> yes and no :-)
16:51:34  <Rubidium> then you've got access to the filename
16:52:57  <planetmaker> Ammler, indeed that's what I wanted to propose. Look for main_target
16:53:03  <planetmaker> remove the extension
16:53:22  <planetmaker> add the version string. Which is either -nightly or -0.2.2 (or alike)
16:53:23  <Ammler> well, then I can use the zip
16:54:49  <planetmaker> or: make test and grep for 'Bundle filenames' and then the item 'Zip=
16:54:52  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Nutracks - Revision 55: Change: Removed a unneccesary .png <> || Nutracks - Revision 54: Add: NG track GFX <>
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17:15:44  * Rubidium wonders why openttdcoop doesn't run the cargodist server with the "if you don't have vehicles and leave your company, you're bankrupt" switch turned on
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17:17:00  <Rubidium> oh, and maker of planets... art thou working on the md5/make check issue?
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17:18:55  <planetmaker> I haven't really gotten around to yet.
17:19:43  <planetmaker> but I might actually now take a look
17:21:50  <Ammler> Rubidium: how you know, we don't?
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17:24:42  <Ammler> well, it looks like companies die without such a setting
17:25:34  <KenjiE20> Rubidium: doesn't that come from the savegame?
17:25:56  <Ammler> server setting, afaik
17:26:19  <Ammler> we really aren't experts in multiple companies games :-)
17:26:51  <Ammler> fu??ing rbot
17:27:11  <Rubidium> Ammler: because there are two companies of 19 years old according to your fancy servers thingy without any vehicles/stations/same amount of money
17:27:30  <Rubidium> <- that fancy thingy
17:27:38  <KenjiE20> ty
17:28:11  <KenjiE20> I blame fon
17:28:14  <KenjiE20> just because
17:28:16  <KenjiE20> :P
17:31:46  <Ammler> @man autoclean
17:31:48  <Webster> Search results - OpenTTD -
17:35:04  <Ammler> Rubidium: how do you enable that but disable autoclean of protected companeis
17:35:46  <Ammler> well, might be the wiki is wrong about...
17:35:51  <Rubidium> can't you only enable autoclean_novehicles?
17:36:22  <Ammler> "(autoclean_companies) will have to enabled for this option to work.) "
17:36:51  <Ammler> a bit stupid as autoclean_novehicles has already a option to disable
17:36:56  <Rubidium> set the timeout for password removal / company removal to 0 months and the autoclean_novehicles to non-zero
17:38:40  <Ammler> lol
17:38:58  <Ammler> someone set clean protected companies to 1 and unprotected to 0
17:40:23  <Ammler> hmm
17:40:38  <Rubidium> that removes passwords
17:40:44  <Ammler> ah
17:41:09  <Ammler> then it is fine...
17:42:16  <Ammler> then it could be the "someone" was me ;-)
17:42:59  <Ammler> I remember why we didn't use teh novehicle setting
17:43:20  <Ammler> because on IS, sometime you have valid companies without vehciles
17:44:40  <planetmaker> :-)
17:44:41  <Ammler> there were around 13 companies
17:44:52  <Ammler> so all others get bankrupt :-o
17:54:35  <planetmaker> Rubidium, Ammler care to check wether it works for you?
18:00:56  <Rubidium> argh... stupid PASTE
18:01:07  <Rubidium> -ENOVALIDPATCHANYMORE
18:01:13  <planetmaker> hm, did I paste one line too much?
18:01:17  <Rubidium> or at least a failing patch
18:05:22  <planetmaker>
18:06:03  <Rubidium> it all seems to work fine
18:07:29  <planetmaker> But I wonder how the wrong md5sum file got created...
18:07:35  <planetmaker> I didn't change anything there...
18:08:23  <Rubidium> planetmaker: stupid osx md5sum? New version or something?
18:08:27  <Ammler> do you cat grfs and obg?
18:08:47  <planetmaker> Rubidium, I need to test on OSX still, yes...
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18:11:36  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Bug #875 (New): make check fails somewhat <>
18:16:11  <planetmaker> darn darn darn. Yes, Rubidium it's an OSX issue: OSX has one space separation instead of two
18:16:42  <Rubidium> does the OSX version's -c work with two space md5 checksums?
18:16:53  <Ammler> it doesn't have -c
18:16:53  <planetmaker> It doesn't have the -c flag
18:17:07  <planetmaker> It's also not called md5sum but md5
18:17:21  <Ammler> but in this case, you could use -c then
18:17:24  <planetmaker> which called as 'md5 -r' acts supposedly like md5sum. Obviously only quite
18:17:30  <Ammler> as osx needs exception anyway
18:17:36  <Rubidium> so... | sed "s/  / /;s/ /  /"
18:17:48  <planetmaker> somewhat, yes
18:32:16  <planetmaker> andythenorth, getting the files to the devzone unfortunately doesn't yet work magically
18:32:22  <planetmaker> it needs:
18:32:31  <planetmaker> make bundle_zip (same as bananas file)
18:32:36  <planetmaker> make bundle_src
18:32:59  <planetmaker> and the md5sums of those files in separate files. Same filename, just appended .md5
18:35:23  * Rubidium still votes for a make bundle_src && tar -xf ...gz && cd ... && make bundle_zip
18:36:02  <planetmaker> Rubidium, yes, that's why I said that there's no easy way. But I guess that's not the short way he wanted ;-)
18:36:38  <Ammler> for newgrfs, you don't need source packages ;-)
18:36:52  <planetmaker> Ammler, it makes sense nevertheless
18:37:04  <Ammler> or would you like packagagers do add those?
18:37:59  <Rubidium> Ammler: it would be nice GPL-wise
18:38:50  <Ammler> if the the repo fails as source, yes.
18:39:04  <planetmaker> Ammler, e.g. for those who don't want to install hg but nevertheless want to look at the source
18:39:26  <Ammler> ok :-)
18:39:47  <andythenorth> right, I've got three bug fixes to make, then maybe it's release time :)
18:40:15  <planetmaker> andythenorth, I usually take an evening for a release ;-)
18:40:36  <andythenorth> well maybe tomorrow then :)
18:40:57  <andythenorth> I am happy to push the changes, let 'someone' else do the release :o
18:40:59  <andythenorth> :P
18:41:11  <planetmaker> :S
18:41:40  <planetmaker> it can be done quickly.
18:41:48  <planetmaker> But I learnt to regret those quick shots
18:42:17  <Ammler> well, also long task can fail...
18:42:26  <planetmaker> yes.
18:42:30  <planetmaker> Like make check :-P
18:42:38  <planetmaker> But that's actually not a fail of the release
18:42:51  <planetmaker> it's a bug in the released thing. That's not so bad
18:43:36  <planetmaker> But like correct version showing, readme updated, changelog updated, source release corresponding to my sources
18:43:52  <planetmaker> those things can fail a release somewhat :-)
18:47:02  <andythenorth> planetmaker: fixes done :)
18:48:29  <planetmaker> :-)
18:48:58  <andythenorth> I've tagged and upped
18:49:44  <andythenorth> planetmaker: I put the zip to bananas?
18:49:54  <planetmaker> then bundle_zip and put that on bananas
18:49:58  <Ammler> planetmaker: / andythenorth, in FIRS case, it might make sense to branch
18:50:04  <planetmaker> but you might check that you really bundled the right thing
18:50:09  <Ammler> if you add now new experimental things
18:50:22  <Ammler> well, can be done evertime later too
18:50:58  <andythenorth> looks like the right bundle
18:51:02  <andythenorth> I'll put it on bananas
18:51:19  <planetmaker> Ammler, I agree :-)
18:51:42  <andythenorth> no experiments this time, just bug fixes
18:51:58  * andythenorth thinks maintaining branches is a headache
18:52:08  <planetmaker> andythenorth, depends :-)
18:52:18  <andythenorth> can't I branch for the version and just keep working on trunk?
18:52:25  <planetmaker> yes
18:52:36  <planetmaker> so it would like make sense to branch for 0.1.1
18:52:44  <Ammler> yep, so no need to change soemthing now.
18:52:57  <planetmaker> and only add subsequent bug fixes to that branch
18:53:10  <planetmaker> but you continue as usual with the default branch
18:53:30  * planetmaker activated the transplant extension locally
18:53:41  <andythenorth> I've done the bananas upload.  now for devzone stuff :o
18:53:48  <planetmaker> it makes copying patches from trunk to a branch dead easy
18:53:58  <planetmaker> andythenorth, :
18:54:10  <planetmaker> md5sum >
18:54:15  <planetmaker> err...
18:54:24  <planetmaker> md5 -r >
18:54:43  <planetmaker> and then: make bundle_src
18:55:06  <planetmaker> then: md5 -r firs....source.tar.gz > firs...source.tar.gz.md5
18:55:49  <planetmaker> then: scp*
18:56:11  <planetmaker> scp firs...source.tar.gz*
18:56:59  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 757: Added tag 0.1.1 for changeset b965454c86eb <> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 756: Fix: paper mill incorrectly accepting engineering s... <>
18:57:21  <andythenorth> planetmaker: I don't have permissions to scp it seems
18:59:50  <Ammler> dunno, why planetmaker thought, you have ;-)
19:00:18  <andythenorth> I've got the files, how do we get them there....I could stick them on the firs/files part of devzone
19:00:18  <Rubidium> because I was able to upload OpenGFX?
19:03:11  <Ammler> andythenorth:
19:03:37  <Ammler> I move the files to bundles then
19:03:51  <Ammler> hmm, this now needs to be done :-(
19:04:25  <Ammler> Rubidium: openttd has access there
19:04:36  <Ammler> as has ottdc
19:04:46  <Ammler> but andythenorth has only repo access
19:04:58  <andythenorth> Ammler: uploaded
19:07:34  <planetmaker> <Ammler> but andythenorth has only repo access <-- ah... maybe we could change that for him then.
19:07:50  <planetmaker> it sucks, if project maintainers cannot make releases and upload them.
19:09:18  <Ammler> yes, but that is because I never finished my script... :-(
19:11:49  <Ammler> I fear, I don't get this fu??ing rbot running
19:11:58  <Ammler> so I might need to install supybot
19:13:06  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Revision 407: Fix (r378) [#875]: Don't rebuild the md5sums file which one wants to chec... <> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - firs-0.1.1-source.tar.gz.md5" target="_blank">firs-0.1.1-source.tar.gz.md5 <" target="_blank">firs-0.1.1-source.tar.gz.md5> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - <> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - firs-0.1.1-source.tar.gz <> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - firs-0.1.1.md5 <>
19:28:22  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: 32bpp-EZ - Support #874: Create repository <> || OpenGFX - Bug #875 (Closed): make check fails somewhat <" target="_blank">> || OpenGFX - Bug #875 (Closed): make check fails somewhat <>
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19:41:48  <PeterT> a Brot?
19:43:37  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenSFX - Revision 86: - Fix: Don't rebuild the md5sums file which one wants to check against <>
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20:29:03  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Revision 308: Fix: Ishizuchi tram had wrong capacity for 4 wagon r... <>
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20:52:03  <planetmaker> Rubidium: I see you ported the md5 check patch already? :-)
20:52:43  <Rubidium> hai
20:52:54  <Rubidium> so desu
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21:01:30  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Example NewGRF Project - Revision 82: Fix: Don't rebuild the md5sums file which one wants to chec... <>
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22:03:21  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: 2cc train set - Revision 493: Merge heads <> || 2cc train set - Revision 492: Add: code and stats for 4 generations of freight wagons (1800, 1920... <>
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22:14:04  <DJ_Nekkid> is it intentional that "make remake" builds the grf 2 times?
22:14:55  <planetmaker> no
22:16:11  <DJ_Nekkid> it does :)
22:17:21  <planetmaker> hm
22:17:28  <DJ_Nekkid> see?
22:17:36  <planetmaker> btw, you shouldn't need that usually. Just run make
22:18:24  <DJ_Nekkid> it didnt catch the updated i did to 7F_english.*
22:18:32  <DJ_Nekkid> and
22:18:46  <DJ_Nekkid> strings/wagons.pnfo
22:18:49  <planetmaker> (I always run make install ;-) )
22:18:54  <planetmaker> uhm... no?
22:19:01  <planetmaker> are they included ,those filesß
22:19:04  <planetmaker> *files?
22:19:21  <DJ_Nekkid> actually, it werent the english file
22:19:24  <DJ_Nekkid> just the wagons.pnfo
22:19:33  <DJ_Nekkid> in sprits/nfo/dir
22:20:47  <DJ_Nekkid> its included via via via :)
22:20:58  <planetmaker> that shouldn't matter
22:21:22  <planetmaker> except that it might not know the file extension.
22:21:43  <DJ_Nekkid> its .pnfo
22:21:53  <planetmaker> when I change wagons.pnfo it rebuilds
22:22:09  <DJ_Nekkid> included via:
22:23:25  <DJ_Nekkid> 2ccset main file -> strings/languages.pnfo -> xx_<language>.pnfo -> include.pnfo
22:24:28  <planetmaker> ah, there's two wagons.pnfo...
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22:30:31  <PeterT> fuck you away message
22:33:32  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: 32bpp-EZ - Revision 52: Feature:follow vehicle on extra zooms too (ctrl-click follow button) <>
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22:36:26  <planetmaker> DJ_Nekkid: you're right and I don't know why :-(
22:36:34  <planetmaker> I used 2cctrainset as a test case...
22:37:05  <planetmaker> $§%&(§(% dep checks!
22:37:26  <planetmaker> anyway. Sleep now
22:37:31  <planetmaker> good night
22:37:33  <planetmaker> :-)
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23:30:26  <PeterT> devzone die
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