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00:16:25 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 03:55:58 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 04:04:44 *** welshdragon has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 06:19:20 <Ammler> http://www.tt-forums.net/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=31915 <-- new 32bpp developer 06:19:22 <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums • Viewing profile - Szvengar (at www.tt-forums.net) 06:19:29 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 06:54:18 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:07:17 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FISH - Revision 287: Change: fixed offsets for Large Trader <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/287> || FISH - Revision 286: Change: fixed offsets for Small Trader <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/286> 07:23:20 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FISH - Revision 288: Change: fixed offsets for Medium Trader <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/288> 07:39:20 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FISH - Revision 289: Change: fixed offsets for Island Trader <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/289> 08:00:47 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 08:02:17 *** welshdragon has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:05:10 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 08:05:23 *** welshdragon has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:11:33 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FISH - Revision 290: Change: extended canvas size for Traders psds <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/290> 08:18:27 *** Seberoth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 09:00:21 <Ammler> planetmaker: did you pull the tagging? 09:00:28 <Ammler> push* 09:03:15 <planetmaker> what tagging? 09:03:30 <planetmaker> you mean like removing that from src? 09:03:54 <Ammler> no, I pulled opengfx and have still 0.2.2 09:04:54 <Ammler> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository <-- seems not 09:05:15 <planetmaker> I didn't :-) Pushed 09:05:22 <planetmaker> thanks for noticing :-) 09:07:07 <Ammler> something strange 09:07:14 <Ammler> my openttd loaded 0.2.2 instead tip 09:07:48 <Ammler> ah no, all fine 09:08:01 <Ammler> was 0.2.3 which is newer than _my_ tip 09:08:30 <Ammler> so versioning at least for basesets works nicely ;-) 09:09:56 <planetmaker> yes it works :-) 09:10:13 <Ammler> planetmaker: me votes for using -c from now on 09:10:20 <planetmaker> I still wish for the same for newgrfs :-) 09:10:35 <Rubidium> then $someone has to make work of NewGRF v8 09:10:49 <planetmaker> Ammler: yes... But I'm unsure whether to set it globally or in the newgrf config 09:11:00 <planetmaker> hehe @ Rubidium :-) 09:11:22 <Rubidium> or... maybe "NFO v8" is more clear given "GRF container format v2" 09:13:20 <Ammler> well, globally (else it doesn't apply with your update) 09:15:09 <planetmaker> Ammler: yes... but... maybe a newgrf cannot use it? 09:15:21 <planetmaker> But I guess then it can (re-)define the parameters in its config... :-) 09:15:43 <Ammler> planetmaker: it would help us to "improve" the feature 09:15:54 <planetmaker> Hm... maybe I should dig out the v8 nfo specs wishlist :-) 09:16:08 <planetmaker> Ammler: in what way? 09:16:29 <Ammler> to find out, if there is a situation, where -c doesn't work :-) 09:16:41 <Ammler> so we need to use it also for releases 09:16:47 <Rubidium> planetmaker: yeah, I guess having a clear picture of all ideas for v8 might be useful 09:27:55 <andythenorth> http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/texts/StaticGRFInfo.txt 09:28:42 <Ammler> doesn't have version properity, does it? 09:29:03 <Rubidium> no, and it's not required (IMO it should be required in v8) 09:29:24 <Rubidium> planetmaker: don't forget the > 0x80 IDs for articulation 09:29:53 <planetmaker> andythenorth: thx 09:30:30 <andythenorth> there was some chat about seriously improving the way in which players set newgrf options 09:30:36 <andythenorth> i.e. typing in parameters sucks 09:30:42 <andythenorth> especially with bitmaps 09:30:54 <andythenorth> and only 500 chars to put instructions into bananas :P 09:30:55 <planetmaker> andythenorth: yes... though nfov8 doesn't handle GUI 09:31:04 <andythenorth> yup I realise 09:31:14 <andythenorth> just the two ideas need to move in parallel no? 09:31:21 <planetmaker> :-) 09:45:39 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Example NewGRF Project - Bug #882 (New): crop sprites by default? <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/882> 09:56:34 <planetmaker> andythenorth: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=46695 <- recolour tool 09:56:36 <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums • View topic - TTDXRecolor (tool for creating recolor tables) (at www.tt-forums.net) 10:01:26 <andythenorth> planetmaker: how about a compiled version for OS X? 10:01:41 <planetmaker> maybe :-) 10:02:16 <andythenorth> could wait a few months ;) 10:02:40 <planetmaker> dunno if the source is included there or available. 10:02:52 <andythenorth> we could ask 10:05:35 <andythenorth> planetmaker: source is included on Uwe's home page 10:05:45 <andythenorth> http://uwe.s2000.ws/ttdx/download/ttdxrecolor.zip 10:06:10 <planetmaker> andythenorth: mind that I tried yesterday: I cannot produce non-intel binaries without MUCH effort 10:06:18 <planetmaker> e.g. without re-building lots of macports libraries 10:06:32 <andythenorth> well....I have intel, so... 10:11:25 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 10:16:47 <Rubidium> regarding the cropping: it might affect things like "alignment" in the buy vehicle window 10:18:16 <planetmaker> yes. It does. I think that was / is the point of proposing it to andy :-) 10:25:11 <Ammler> hmm, some silly selfish license 10:25:42 <Ammler> sounds similar to cc-nc 10:27:41 <planetmaker> yeah 10:27:53 <planetmaker> and no makefile 10:28:21 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:28:25 <Ammler> there is 10:28:31 <Ammler> GNUMakefile 10:28:36 <planetmaker> oh... 10:28:39 <planetmaker> stupid 10:35:28 <planetmaker> andythenorth: I guess I won't compile that anytime very soon. It would need me installing and compiling another boost version. 10:35:34 <planetmaker> Something which I'm not keen about 10:35:45 *** welshdragon has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:35:53 <andythenorth> hey ho 10:36:11 <Ammler> worked here with distro boost 10:36:16 <planetmaker> hm 10:36:34 <Ammler> well, at list it built 10:36:39 <Ammler> least* 10:37:59 <Ammler> ttdxrecolor <-- what does the x mean? 10:38:36 <ODM> it's X-rated 10:38:54 <Ammler> ah ttdp or ttdo 10:42:10 *** V453000 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:56:30 <Rubidium> dx is an abbreviation of deluxe 10:57:09 <Rubidium> there is no ttdo (unless it's someone wrongly abbreviation OpenTTD, someone french?) 11:04:08 <Ammler> he, ok 11:04:21 <Ammler> was just a guess 11:12:45 <andythenorth> planetmaker: how do I make the pcx a dependency in FISH? 11:13:21 <planetmaker> just use it and it should be 11:13:25 <planetmaker> automatically 11:13:37 <andythenorth> doesn't seem to be 11:13:43 <andythenorth> maybe I'm mistaken 11:14:44 <planetmaker> make normally 11:14:48 <planetmaker> then in the console 11:15:00 <planetmaker> touch path/to/file 11:15:08 <planetmaker> if it re-builds it is taken as dependency 11:15:41 <planetmaker> rebuild when make is called anew that is 11:17:07 <andythenorth> no rebuild :o 11:17:15 <andythenorth> pdq2s-macbook-3:fish_build andy$ touch sprites/ships/trader_large.pcx 11:17:16 <andythenorth> pdq2s-macbook-3:fish_build andy$ make 11:17:16 <andythenorth> make[1]: `fish.grf' is up to date. 11:17:40 <planetmaker> and grep -Ri "trader_large.pcx" gives you what? 11:18:13 <andythenorth> ... 11:18:14 <andythenorth> ... 11:18:15 <andythenorth> ... 11:18:16 <andythenorth> grep: warning: recursive search of stdin 11:18:17 <andythenorth> ... 11:18:17 <andythenorth> ... 11:18:18 <andythenorth> ... 11:18:27 <planetmaker> oh 11:18:30 <andythenorth> :) 11:18:40 <planetmaker> and grep -Ri "trader_large.pcx" sprites/nfo/* gives you what? 11:19:39 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FISH - Revision 292: Change: some layers renamed in psds <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/292> || FISH - Revision 291: Feature: loading states for Small-Large Traders <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/291> || Example NewGRF Project - Bug #882: crop sprites by default? <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/882#change-2387> 11:20:51 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 11:21:58 <planetmaker> andythenorth: in my version of fish that pcx file is not referenced in nfo files 11:22:49 <andythenorth> interesting 11:22:57 <andythenorth> ah 11:22:59 <andythenorth> it's now a define 11:23:04 <planetmaker> well, even so 11:23:16 <andythenorth> so a search for trader_large.pcx will only work on compiled fish.nfo 11:23:28 <planetmaker> doesn't here 11:23:41 <planetmaker> oh. I searched wrongly 11:23:48 <andythenorth> grep -Ri "trader_large.pcx" sprites/* 11:24:29 <planetmaker> still you need to define it somewhere... 11:24:30 <planetmaker> hm 11:24:50 <andythenorth> it's defined without the file extension 11:24:53 <andythenorth> I could change that 11:25:08 <planetmaker> ah. without file extension then the detection will 100% fail 11:25:17 <andythenorth> shall I just change it? 11:25:18 <planetmaker> I grep for the file extension 11:25:26 <planetmaker> and make dependencies according to that 11:25:27 <andythenorth> it's no great harm 11:25:39 <planetmaker> so... if you want pcx as dep: use files with extension 11:26:01 <planetmaker> .pcx .wav .pnfo .tnfo work 11:26:22 <planetmaker> without... I see no moderately sensible way to get that working 11:26:31 <planetmaker> except with SLOW makefiles ;-) 11:26:54 <andythenorth> changed 11:34:49 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Example NewGRF Project - Bug #882: crop sprites by default? <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/882#change-2388> || FISH - Revision 293: Change: pcx filename defines now use extensions - otherwise dep checking fails <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/293> 12:21:00 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: 32bpp-EZ - Revision 14992: Cleanup: remove the merge leftover <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/32bpp-ez/repository/revisions/14992> 12:36:20 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Example NewGRF Project - Bug #882: crop sprites by default? <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/882#change-2389> 13:22:28 <Ammler> Rubidium: how does the CF transfer the bundles? 13:23:35 <planetmaker> scp sftp? 13:28:22 <Rubidium> scp I think 13:37:34 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: 32bpp-EZ - Support #874: Create repository <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/874#change-2390> 14:16:42 *** welshdragon has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:35:51 *** welshdragon has left #openttdcoop.devzone 14:58:35 *** Seberoth has quit IRC 15:00:01 *** Seberoth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:41:32 *** welshdragon has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:42:46 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 16:45:29 *** welshdragon has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:46:54 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 17:26:33 *** Yexo has quit IRC 17:29:22 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Climate dependant airports - Revision 48: Merge: makefile updates <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/airportsplus/repository/revisions/48> || FISH - Revision 296: Change: completed tanker sprites for Small Trader <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/296> || FISH - Revision 295: Change: work in progress on code for tanker refits <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/295> || FISH - Revision 294: Change: work in progress on tanker refit graphics for Small Trader <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/294> 17:45:22 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FISH - Revision 298: Feature: Tanker refit graphics for Traders <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/298> || FISH - Revision 297: Change: oil tanker sprites for Medium Trader <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/297> 18:05:53 <planetmaker> he, sorry for the un-called for update, Yexo :-) 18:06:35 <planetmaker> but I guess I'll continue with that unless forbidden ;-) 18:07:35 <planetmaker> oh, no yexo here. 18:34:54 *** welshdragon has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:49:12 <andythenorth> planetmaker: is -c (crop) going to become standard? 18:49:22 <andythenorth> I ask as it took a day to re-layout and correct 4 ships 18:49:26 <andythenorth> I have a few more to do :| 18:49:33 <andythenorth> -c might solve most of that :) 19:11:06 <planetmaker> yes, I put -c onto my TODO list. I'd make it standard as it seems to solve a fair bit of alignment 19:15:37 <andythenorth> k 19:17:52 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FISH - Revision 299: Change: did some work on tanker graphics for Small River Boat <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/299> 19:45:22 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 21:06:09 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Example NewGRF Project - Feature #556 (Closed): comment symbol in main source list file <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/556#change-2391> 21:22:13 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Example NewGRF Project - Bug #882 (Closed): crop sprites by default? <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/882#change-2393> || Example NewGRF Project - Bug #879 (Closed): distclean: don't clean md5sums in tarball <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/879#change-2392> || Example NewGRF Project - Revision 86: Feature [#879]: Introduce target 'distclean' which should d... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/newgrf-makefile/repository/revisions/86> || Example NewGRF Project - Revision 85: Change [#882]: Use 'grfcodec -c'. It's nicer for the purcha... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/newgrf-makefile/repository/revisions/85> 21:55:11 *** ODM has quit IRC 22:54:11 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Feature #885 (New): Groundtile brack land (Toyland?) <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/885> || OpenGFX - Feature #884 (New): Arctic church <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/884> || OpenGFX - Feature #883 (New): Office building improvement <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/883> 23:53:42 *** Seberoth has quit IRC