Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 10th April 2010:
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00:00:18  <Ammler> 5-6 was our server down?
00:00:32  <Ammler> hmm, why did we have no visitors on 2
00:01:21  <Ammler> no 3rd
00:01:26  <Ammler> when was /. day?
00:01:48  <Rubidium> The 6th
00:03:47  <Ammler> but now, our wiki and blog is down :-(
00:04:05  <Ammler> and there I can't do anything...
00:04:34  <planetmaker> he... your traffic is also anything but constant, Rubidium :-)
00:06:18  <Rubidium> what month are you looking at?
00:06:19  <planetmaker> so... /. is 100% traffic increase...
00:06:25  <planetmaker> April?
00:06:37  <Rubidium> yeah, then there're obviously a few peaks :)
00:06:59  <Rubidium> but /. = 100% increase seems reasonable
00:07:00  <planetmaker> :-) Otherwise yes: smooth(er)
00:08:40  <planetmaker> interestingly we see the same relative pattern on basically all our sub-domains - just at a different level
00:12:25  <Ammler> planetmaker: on the screen you posted to Rubidium
00:12:31  <Ammler> the peak was yesterday
00:12:36  <Ammler> 8
00:13:09  <planetmaker> and opengfx is the most searched-for term with bundles (33%)
00:14:16  <planetmaker> Ammler: hm... yesterday? I see 7th :-)
00:15:17  <Ammler> hmm, nvm
00:15:52  <planetmaker> but... statistically i should go to bed now ;-)
00:16:30  <planetmaker> sleep well those of you who want to sleep, too :-)
00:28:19  <Rubidium> bah... desync didn't let itself be reproduced :(
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00:29:02  <Rubidium> maybe it's something local because it didn't allow me to buy the company for some reason
00:29:19  <Rubidium> nevertheless... sleepytime
01:20:06  <DJNekkid> hey! no desync yet!
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08:57:27  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #871 (Rejected): Some stations built un-named <> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #843 (Closed): Station showing empty string near junk yard <>
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09:03:56  <andythenorth> morning
09:05:26  <ODM> oioi
09:12:59  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #807 (Rejected): Primary industres - remove any legacy st... <> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #838 (Rejected): Primary industry closure <> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #860 (Closed): Fishing Harbour - either code, or remove f... <> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #861 (Closed): Machine Shop could use template C with Fue... <> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #296 (Closed): Should primary industries exhaust their re... <> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #529 (Closed): Aluminum plants in 1890 <>
09:28:47  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Feature #892 (New): Update belly dump trailer code to support FIRS... <> || HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Revision 317: Feature: improved cargo graphics support for Mt. Rai... <> || HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Revision 316: Feature: improved cargo graphics support for Mt. McK... <> || HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Revision 314: Feature: improved cargo graphics support for Rockchu... <> || HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Revision 315: Feature: improved cargo graphics support for Harney ... <> || HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Revision 313: Feature: improved cargo graphics support for Wolfpen... <> || HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Revision 312: Feature: improved cargo graphics support for Kiliman... <> || HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Revision 311: Change: added AORE to cargo translation table <> || HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Revision 310: Change: added GRVL to cargo translation table <>
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11:10:48  <welshdragon> DJNekkid: any updates for NuTracks?
11:11:11  <welshdragon> i want to test them, but i'm not wanting to use tracks that have glitches
11:12:20  <planetmaker> welshdragon: did you test the nightly?
11:12:28  <welshdragon> nope
11:12:38  <welshdragon> i'm being lazy
11:12:50  <welshdragon> and want to test the bananas version :P
11:13:00  <planetmaker> k, I get lazy, too
11:13:15  <planetmaker> ;-)
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12:54:55  <Szvengar> hi
12:55:08  <planetmaker> moin
12:55:34  <Szvengar> i have a little problem to push in a project
12:55:48  <planetmaker> aha. Are you developer or manager in that project?
12:55:58  <Szvengar> i'm a developer
12:56:02  <planetmaker> which project?
12:56:17  <Szvengar> in the project 32bpp-ez
12:56:21  <planetmaker> ah
12:57:05  <planetmaker> ok, what's the issue?
12:57:06  <Ammler> Szvengar: tat project will get a new repo for patch queue
12:57:21  <Szvengar> ok Ammler
12:57:27  <Ammler> well, for testing you can still use the current
12:57:43  <Szvengar> but for now i'm trying to push some modification i made
12:57:50  <Ammler> GeekToo likes to split the patch
12:58:19  <Ammler> please paste the error you get
12:58:23  <Ammler> and why command you used to push
12:58:27  <Ammler> what*
12:59:24  <Szvengar> i have a PuTTY Fatal Error: "Disconnected: No supported authentication methods available"
12:59:44  <Szvengar> and in hg: remote: Server refused our key
12:59:44  <Szvengar> no suitable response from remote hg
12:59:44  <Szvengar> [command interrupted]
13:00:30  <Ammler> you can't login with putty
13:00:41  <Ammler> just hg commands are allowed with ssh
13:00:51  <Szvengar> this is the first time i push and use ssh so i might have made something not correct
13:01:10  <Ammler> did you check the Guide from our wiki?
13:01:11  <planetmaker> Szvengar: what does your .hg/hgrc look like in your repo?
13:01:17  <planetmaker> and what Ammler says
13:01:31  <Szvengar> i use the guide from the wiki
13:01:46  <planetmaker> ok
13:01:57  <Ammler>
13:02:03  <Szvengar> hgrc: [paths]
13:02:03  <Szvengar> default = ssh://
13:02:03  <Szvengar> [tortoisehg]
13:02:03  <Szvengar> postpull = update
13:02:13  <Ammler> wrong url
13:02:37  <planetmaker> [paths]
13:02:38  <Ammler> ssh://
13:02:38  <planetmaker> default = ssh://
13:02:41  <planetmaker> see the difference :-)
13:02:56  <planetmaker> missing user
13:02:58  <Szvengar> yes
13:03:38  <Szvengar> i just put user not password?
13:03:49  <Ammler> do you have a password?
13:03:53  <Ammler> :-)
13:04:08  <Ammler> we don't have ssh logins with pw on our server
13:04:14  <Szvengar> yes, i put a password in my key
13:04:23  <Ammler> ah, that is something else
13:04:29  <planetmaker> then you need that password. But that is not put in the URL
13:04:34  <Szvengar> ok
13:04:43  <Ammler> you get a prompt for it when pushing
13:04:44  <planetmaker> (It's good practise to have a pw on the key, yes :-) )
13:05:00  <Ammler> (but also not really necessary in this case)
13:05:42  <Ammler> as your key is limited to do hg only
13:05:48  <Szvengar> now i have no prompt for a password but i have still a putty error
13:06:07  <Ammler> can you paste mercurial ini line
13:06:34  <Szvengar> # Generated by tortoisehg-config
13:06:34  <Szvengar> [ui]
13:06:34  <Szvengar> merge = kdiff3
13:06:34  <Szvengar> username = Szvengar <>
13:06:35  <Szvengar> ssh = "C:\Program Files\TortoiseHg\TortoisePlink.exe" -ssh -2 -i "C:\Program Files\TortoiseHg\szvengar-rsa1k.ppk"
13:06:36  <Szvengar> [tortoisehg]
13:06:36  <Szvengar> vdiff = vdiff
13:06:38  <Szvengar> overlayicons = localdisks
13:06:38  <Szvengar> [extensions]
13:06:40  <Szvengar> win32text =
13:06:40  <Szvengar> [encode]
13:06:42  <Szvengar> **.txt = dumbencode:
13:06:42  <Szvengar> **.ptxt = dumbencode:
13:06:44  <Szvengar> **.pnfo = dumbencode:
13:06:44  <Szvengar> **.nfo = dumbencode:
13:06:46  <Szvengar> **.csv = dumbencode:
13:06:46  <Szvengar> ** = cleverencode:
13:06:48  <Szvengar> [decode]
13:06:48  <Szvengar> **.txt = dumbdecode:
13:06:50  <Szvengar> **.ptxt = dumbdecode:
13:06:50  <Szvengar> **.pnfo = dumbdecode:
13:06:52  <Szvengar> **.nfo = dumbdecode:
13:06:52  <Szvengar> **.csv = dumbdecode:
13:06:54  <Szvengar> ** = cleverdecode:
13:06:54  <Szvengar> [patch]
13:06:56  <Szvengar> eol = crlf
13:07:20  <planetmaker> ... please use next time a paste service for so many lines.
13:07:24  <Ammler> he, next time use a paste service if you paste more than 3 lines :-)
13:08:18  <Ammler> let me check again, if I installed the key right
13:08:23  <Szvengar> what's a past service? Sorry i have no knowledge about IRC.
13:09:47  <Ammler>
13:09:49  <planetmaker>
13:10:02  <Ammler> Szvengar: can you try again?
13:10:06  <planetmaker> a web page which allows to just copy&paste things there :-)
13:10:50  <Ammler> the path to your key is correct?
13:11:02  <Szvengar> yes
13:11:23  <Szvengar> you want me to try elsewhere?
13:11:38  <Ammler> Apr 10 15:10:54 salieri sshd[19815]: Invalid user Szvengar from
13:11:48  <Ammler> you use Szvengar instead ottdc?
13:12:02  <Szvengar> let me check
13:12:03  <Ammler> you do identify by the key
13:12:17  <Ammler> everybody uses same key
13:12:25  <Ammler> same user*
13:14:31  <Szvengar> ok, the push did go well
13:14:44  <Ammler> grat :-)
13:14:58  <Szvengar> but i'm not seeing it on the project
13:15:11  <Ammler> but as said, we had yesterday a talk about restructuring for the patch
13:15:24  <Ammler> and final conclusion was to make a patch queue
13:15:41  <Ammler> Szvengar: it needs some seconds there
13:16:06  <Szvengar> ok
13:16:34  <Ammler> have you experience with hg patch queues?
13:16:42  <Szvengar> no at all
13:16:53  <Szvengar> sorry
13:16:54  <Ammler> well, then we are at same level :-P
13:17:16  <Ammler> my experience is limited to theory
13:17:28  <Szvengar> ok, that's better than nothing
13:18:51  <Szvengar> if i understand correctly, the goal to do patch queue is to have an automated sync with openttd
13:20:04  <Szvengar> and a limited patchs in 32bpp-ez repo
13:21:11  <Szvengar> so we can have a better follow up of this project and not be floaded by what's going on openttd
13:21:11  <Ammler> splitting the patches to certain "features"
13:21:49  <Ammler> <-- IS2 patch queue
13:22:34  <Ammler> we can then have a script on the server which does automatically merge the queue for a repo.
13:23:43  <PeterT> when will we get a new IS2 patch?
13:24:13  <Ammler> that my friend you need to ask someone else :-P
13:24:27  <PeterT> Yes, but Hirundo isn't here atm
13:25:17  <Ammler> the patch is quite up2date
13:26:20  <Ammler> the merged repo is broken since some time
13:26:29  <Ammler> dunno, if Hirundo will fix that
13:31:56  <PeterT> Ammler: save_password patch is done
13:32:02  <PeterT> I'm compiling and testing it now
13:32:09  <Szvengar> ok, we put in a repo just what we modify as diff patches so they can be applied at any time on the default repo up to date
13:32:38  <Szvengar> Am i understanding correctly?
13:32:41  <Ammler> yep
13:32:53  <Ammler> you modify one feature at once
13:33:01  <Ammler> for developing
13:33:20  <Ammler> and then you merge all patches to make like 32bpp-ez patch pack :-)
13:33:55  <PeterT> Ammler:
13:34:19  <Ammler> which we then merge to the 32bpp-ez repo and ask the devs to trigger a compile on their CF
13:35:34  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: 32bpp-EZ - Revision 15005: [ez] -Codechange: remove unnecessary code <>
13:35:42  <Szvengar> so like i said we will have a better view as developper of what's going on in the project
13:36:03  <Szvengar> is that on automated message?
13:36:10  <Szvengar> is that an automated message?
13:36:45  <Ammler> yeah it annouces activity from devzone
13:36:55  <Szvengar> cool
13:37:52  <PeterT> Ammler: It doesn't work
13:38:00  <PeterT> Ammler: When trying to start the server, I get an error
13:38:04  <PeterT> "Could not start the server"
13:38:24  * PeterT looks at network_server.cpp suspiciously
13:38:33  <Ammler> then I am happy, I didn't try yet :-)
13:39:03  <PeterT> :-D
13:39:47  <Szvengar> about finversion who return a weird thing with hg, do you know if this is a problem of the script or with hg?
13:40:03  <Szvengar> *
13:40:32  <Ammler> that is the hash of the changeset
13:40:37  <Ammler> unique
13:40:50  <Szvengar> but not the revision
13:41:13  <Ammler> yeah, on dedicated vcs someone could pull your changesets after his
13:41:22  <Ammler> and then the revision number wouldn't match
13:41:39  <Ammler> so that is why they use hashes
13:41:52  <PeterT> Ammler: I think the "Could not start the server" is my own personal fault
13:42:10  <PeterT>
13:43:35  <Szvengar> ok, so how can we have the revision so we have a binary with it?
13:43:56  <Szvengar> because the hash means nothing
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13:44:05  <Ammler> findversion does also tell the revision
13:44:15  <Ammler> but I guess, that repo is messed
13:44:46  <Ammler> usually the 3rd row is the svn version
13:46:44  <Ammler> Szvengar: I wouldn't waste too much time with that repo, it might simply be broken
13:47:02  <Ammler> and as it will be replaced by patch queue, depreciated
13:47:14  <Szvengar> ok, i guess we wait until the new repo
13:48:02  <Szvengar> you will reset the current one at one point?
13:48:30  <Ammler> yes, I guess so.
13:48:41  <Ammler> I don't like that broken repo
13:48:56  <Ammler> but I am no 32bpp dev :-)
13:49:27  <Szvengar> especially because it's all new
13:49:59  <Ammler> I would like to copy the IS2 workflow
13:50:07  <Szvengar> having a repo that works it's not a luxury
13:51:03  <Szvengar> do you have access to the scripts for those repos?
13:51:04  <PeterT> Ammler: did you even LOOK at my paste, or are you too busy with Szvengar?
13:51:56  <Ammler> PeterT: does the same server work without the patch?
13:52:04  <PeterT> No
13:52:14  <Ammler> so how should I help?
13:52:21  <PeterT> Tell me what to do to fix it?
13:52:50  <Ammler> no idea :-D
13:53:10  <PeterT> I asked in #openttd
13:53:14  <PeterT> but the patch works :D
13:58:06  <PeterT> Ammler: can you please patch the stable server and make sure to set save_password on?
13:58:11  <PeterT> The patch *should* work
14:05:42  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Java Game Logfile Analyzer - Revision 17: Fixed bug with wrong type of join messages. <>
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14:54:07  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: 32bpp-EZ - Revision 15006: [ez] -Codechange: improve cc algorithm <>
15:02:50  <Ammler> Szvengar: maybe you like to start already with patch queue?
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15:46:29  <planetmaker> PeterT: we don't patch our server with random patches...
15:46:41  <planetmaker> ... especially not if there's debugging in progress
15:47:16  <planetmaker> yes, I know that also some people here like that patch - but personally I wouldn't consider it a good idea to patch our servers with that.
15:47:45  <planetmaker> The need is minimal, the effect on other things unknown
16:07:53  <Szvengar> Ammler: i thought it is something you will (have to) do with GeekToo
16:08:41  <Ammler> planetmaker: :'-(
16:08:48  <planetmaker> Ammler: ?
16:08:58  <Szvengar> but why not at least i will learn something
16:08:58  <Ammler> I would like that patch too
16:09:16  <planetmaker> do you really think it's necessary?
16:09:34  <planetmaker> usually the server runs from start to end of a game
16:09:37  <Ammler> well, it depense what the purpose of the server is...
16:09:47  <Ammler> if it is for bug hunting, no.
16:10:16  <planetmaker> well. In the end it could (should?) be a honey pot in order to get a tasting for new people
16:10:34  <planetmaker> but atm I'd like to keep it as the only server where the desync is being tested ;-)
16:10:42  <planetmaker> That'd be jeopardized otherwise, I think
16:10:55  <Ammler> planetmaker: did you check the patch at least?
16:11:08  <planetmaker> not yet. I haven't seen it nor a link to it.
16:11:27  <Ammler>
16:11:34  <Ammler> well, it doesn't apply anyway...
16:11:42  <Ammler> might conflict with bb
16:30:18  <andythenorth> planetmaker: can we make 'crop' a standard grfcodec flag in the make file?
16:31:44  <Ammler> didn't he already?
16:31:46  <planetmaker> andythenorth: still my answer is yes ;-)
16:31:54  <planetmaker> And FISH and FIRS already have that
16:31:57  <andythenorth> ?
16:32:09  * andythenorth checks something
16:32:11  <Ammler> you might overwite it with your local makefile?
16:32:59  <andythenorth> just needed to pull.  thought I'd done that recently.  I was wrong :P
16:33:21  <andythenorth> well that's nice.  I could release a new version of FISH maybe :)
16:42:23  <planetmaker> :-)
16:42:40  <andythenorth> I've done all release things up to do I md5 again?
16:44:34  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FISH - Revision 311: Change: updated changelog <>
16:47:20  <andythenorth> planetmaker / Ammler: I've done the Bananas release.  I have bundle_src here for the devzone....
16:48:07  <planetmaker> cat you generate the md5 files?
16:48:39  <Ammler> bundle_src isn't needed
16:48:48  <Ammler> oh release
16:48:55  <Ammler> ok, ignore me
16:49:27  <Ammler> andythenorth: please do also pull the tagging
16:49:51  <Ammler> another advantage, if the server could build release self
16:50:02  <Ammler> push*
16:50:17  <planetmaker> andythenorth: the md5 files are needed for the zip and the ...source.tar.gz file
16:50:30  <planetmaker> and then you can scp the stuff to the fish release dir:
16:50:39  <Ammler> he can't
16:50:44  <planetmaker> he can :-P
16:50:45  <PeterT> Ammler: it doesn't apply?
16:50:45  <Ammler> or did you add him?
16:50:48  <PeterT> Strange.
16:51:06  <planetmaker> he's making too many releases, so he should be able to do that himself ;-)
16:51:27  <Ammler> PeterT: because of bb2, nothing strange really
16:51:33  <PeterT> alright
16:51:33  <andythenorth> I've pushed the tag
16:51:40  <PeterT> Did you take a look at .rej files?
16:51:50  <planetmaker> andythenorth: you can scp the files to
16:52:26  <Ammler> no, planetmaker vetoed so we wait with it.. :-)
16:52:31  <PeterT> Ammler: which one do you use?
16:52:34  <PeterT> BB or BB2?
16:52:48  <andythenorth> so what do I need to do in order?  Assume I have tagged, pushed, and run make_bundle, make bundle_src
16:52:53  <planetmaker> Ammler: does ottdc have write access to openttd's dir?
16:52:55  <Ammler> bb2 is for server
16:52:56  <planetmaker> to bundles?
16:52:59  <planetmaker> if so: how?
16:53:00  <Ammler> planetmaker: no
16:53:04  <planetmaker> ok
16:53:12  <planetmaker> andythenorth: one moment :-)
16:53:21  <Ammler> but ottdc has ssh access to openttd ;-)
16:53:35  <planetmaker> that's stupid ;-)
16:54:02  <Ammler> yeah, I know, but I like to keep the ownsers
16:54:25  <Ammler> we had quite a mess before with mix between ottdc and openttd files
16:56:17  <planetmaker> hm... andy's key vanished...
16:57:10  <Ammler> andythenorth: else you can do it like you did last time and I move the files
16:57:11  <planetmaker> ah... there it is
16:57:45  <andythenorth> Ammler: you are welcome to move the files :)
16:58:12  <andythenorth> by the time I've done changelog, bananas, forum update....I'm bored of releasing :P
16:58:44  <planetmaker> andythenorth: you can copy them now
16:59:28  <planetmaker> scp them to ssh://
16:59:32  <planetmaker> mind the user
16:59:35  <andythenorth> so which files?
16:59:39  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FISH - Revision 312: Added tag 0.3 for changeset 062837287e71 <>
16:59:46  <planetmaker> those which are there for the old release, too
16:59:50  <PeterT> Ammler:
16:59:59  <PeterT> that diff is with BB2 and save_password
17:00:05  <PeterT> it was a very trivial fix
17:00:29  <planetmaker> <-- actually that is a good reference :-)
17:00:44  <planetmaker> all those files which firs-0.1.2 has. and the readme
17:01:01  <Ammler> the .REV file is useless, yet ;-)
17:01:27  <planetmaker> basically that should then be scp fish-x.y.*
17:01:39  <Ammler> /
17:01:56  <PeterT> Ammler: what do you think?
17:02:00  <PeterT> does it apply well?
17:02:05  <PeterT> is it ok now?
17:02:17  <Ammler> no idea, didn't try and won't :-)
17:02:30  <Ammler> at least not now
17:02:56  <PeterT> Try it plz
17:03:07  <andythenorth> hmm
17:03:09  <planetmaker> PeterT: what kind of patch is that? It's HUGE
17:03:11  <PeterT> I mean soon, not now :-)
17:03:17  <planetmaker> and quite different from the previous one
17:03:31  <PeterT> It's BB2 and save_password
17:03:37  <PeterT> both patches in one
17:03:41  * andythenorth hates scp
17:03:50  <PeterT> I bet scp hates you too :-P
17:03:53  <planetmaker> Please make it separate...
17:03:56  <PeterT> Ok
17:04:18  <planetmaker> Nevertheless: I don't feel like adding it before the desync debugging is finished.
17:04:46  <planetmaker> That might take a few days still. I'm waiting for a server-side patch which will ease that debugging.
17:04:53  <andythenorth> scp fish-0.3-source.tar.gz
17:04:54  <andythenorth> fail
17:05:08  <PeterT> planetmaker: what do you mean by 'ease'?
17:06:14  <planetmaker> don't ask me ;-) better readable, easier understandable and some infos added, better formatted
17:06:36  <planetmaker> read the recent trunk commits and you (and I) could get an idea :-)
17:06:48  <PeterT> Ok
17:07:22  <PeterT> you mean like r19593?
17:07:24  <andythenorth> planetmaker: I can ssh to the location you gave, but can't scp
17:07:33  <planetmaker> PeterT: principally I'm for that kind of patch. It's a good thing. And I'll be happy to use it afterwards, I think
17:08:08  <planetmaker> andythenorth: yes. wrong command I gave. Sorry:
17:08:26  <PeterT> planetmaker: It is, I'm using it on my server at #sn and I haven't had any desyncs or crashes
17:08:28  <planetmaker> scp fish-0.3-source.tar.gz
17:08:51  <andythenorth> that tilde is why I hate scp :P
17:08:58  <andythenorth> I know what it's for and why
17:08:59  <planetmaker> alt + n
17:09:11  <Ammler> ~=$HOME
17:09:17  <andythenorth> I know
17:09:19  <Ammler> or /home/openttd/...
17:09:45  <andythenorth> I like the shell best for some things, but moving files is best done with a mouse!
17:09:57  <Ammler> sftp
17:10:10  <Ammler> s should work too
17:10:31  <Ammler> in your file broswer
17:10:52  <andythenorth> sftp = win
17:10:56  <Ammler> no
17:11:10  <Ammler> you might mean ftps or something ugly
17:11:47  <planetmaker> scp fish-0.3/readme.txt works for me nicely
17:11:52  <andythenorth> how do I generate the md5 for src?
17:12:06  <Ammler> make md5
17:12:24  <andythenorth> another win
17:12:38  <Ammler> ah, now I get your "win" :-P
17:12:50  <Ammler> I thought you mean Windows :-D
17:13:25  <andythenorth> hmm
17:13:27  <planetmaker> andythenorth: for the src you need to do it manually. also for the zip actually
17:13:37  <planetmaker> md5 -r filename > filename.md5
17:13:37  <andythenorth> yup I just found that :o
17:13:43  <planetmaker> mind the -r
17:14:04  <planetmaker> I shall add a target for that, though. It bothers me, too :-)
17:14:46  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FISH - Revision 313: Fix: Large River Boat tanker graphics were missing wake when moving <>
17:14:49  <andythenorth> think I'm done
17:15:01  <andythenorth> oh yeah - I shipped a release with a bug m(
17:15:07  <andythenorth> nvm
17:16:24  <planetmaker> PeterT: in order to separate those patches: it might be a good idea to use hg queues :-)
17:16:37  <planetmaker> then it's easy to stack patches (that's what queues actually do)
17:16:49  <PeterT> planetmaker: I'm making a diff that assumes bb2 has already been applied
17:17:05  <PeterT> the parts of save_password that conflict with bb2 will already be fixed in the dif
17:17:06  <PeterT> *diff
17:17:17  <planetmaker> PeterT: yes, that's exactly what hg queues makes VERY easy :-)
17:17:24  <PeterT> doh
17:17:26  <PeterT> I should learn that
17:17:30  <PeterT> but I don't have time now :D
17:17:35  <planetmaker> do you use mercurial? :-)
17:17:40  <planetmaker> not difficult
17:18:01  <PeterT> I *know* how to navigate it, basically
17:18:02  <PeterT> hg pull
17:18:04  <PeterT> hg clone
17:18:05  <PeterT> and such
17:18:08  <planetmaker> when I was still maintaining my patchpack I used hg queues
17:18:19  <planetmaker> you run hg qinit
17:18:37  <planetmaker> hg qadd patchname
17:18:42  <planetmaker> add your patch
17:18:45  <planetmaker> hg qcommit
17:18:48  <planetmaker> and then the next
17:18:53  <planetmaker> that's it. basically
17:19:01  <PeterT> I don't have a repo :-(
17:19:39  <Ammler> planetmaker: was :-(
17:19:46  <Ammler> :-D
17:22:04  <PeterT> planetmaker: diff is done
17:22:16  <PeterT>
17:22:25  <PeterT> It has the conflicting lines of bb2 already in there
17:22:32  <PeterT> please, make sure you have bb2 already applied
17:27:53  <Ammler> andythenorth: the readme in the release downloads is broken
17:28:11  <andythenorth> ??
17:28:24  <Ammler>
17:29:09  <andythenorth> what's broken about it?
17:29:59  <Ammler> don't you the tags?
17:30:03  <Ammler> see*
17:31:46  <andythenorth> yup
17:31:49  <andythenorth> hmm
18:00:51  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #893 (New): Some industries should cluster (e.g. farms) <>
18:07:57  <Ammler> andythenorth: the issue reminds me of a bug we had with opengfx
18:08:03  <Ammler> talk to planetmaker about
18:08:30  <Ammler> planetmaker: wouldn't it make sense to make a .sed file
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18:33:42  <planetmaker> [19:19]	<Ammler>	planetmaker: was :-( <-- well... saying that I currently do is... stretching the boundaries of "doing something"
18:34:21  <planetmaker> I don't say I might again... but there's so many things I'd like to do...
18:35:09  <planetmaker> s/might/might not/
18:40:13  <planetmaker> Yexo: could I already start a small newgrf with nml?
18:40:19  <planetmaker> I guess, I could, right?
18:40:34  <planetmaker> ( I didn't yet find time to look properly :-( )
18:42:27  <Ammler> he, would be nice, then I see how ti works with additional tools :-)
19:01:33  <Yexo> planetmaker: varaction2 is not yet implemented
19:01:54  <Yexo> real action2 is only implemented for vehicles I think, ask Hirundo about that
19:02:08  <Yexo> action0 works only for most industry properties,not even for all
19:03:07  <Yexo> but if you tell me what parts you need we could implemented those first
19:03:24  <Yexo> I expect to finish varaction2 support this evening
19:07:20  <Yexo> brb
19:25:40  <planetmaker> that sounds about all which is needed. I think of making the OpenGFX+ newgrf one of the first newgrf using it.
19:25:48  <planetmaker> and I'd start with some additional vehicles.
19:26:10  <planetmaker> thanks for the update :-)
19:35:37  <Yexo> planetmaker: the parser for all those things is already done, so you can already check for valid syntax (subject to syntax changes of course)
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23:46:44  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: NFO Meta Language - Revision 28: Feature: varacion2 support mostly done <> || 32bpp-EZ - Revision 15053: Codechange: update to svn 19600 <> || 32bpp-EZ - Revision 15052: (svn r19600) -Fix (r18994): Presence of online content was not properl... <> || 32bpp-EZ - Revision 15051: (svn r19599) -Fix [FS#3751]: Vehicles with a weight of zero crashed th... <> || 32bpp-EZ - Revision 15050: (svn r19598) -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: <> || 32bpp-EZ - Revision 15049: (svn r19597) -Fix: Removing NewGRFs from the GUI list leaked. <>
23:47:59  <PeterT> Yexo: are the nfo meta language tools ready enough to start using?
23:48:26  <Yexo> not yet, but it won't be long
23:48:46  <Yexo> what do you want to use it for?
23:49:07  <PeterT> I was going to try it out
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