Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 19th April 2010:
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04:32:19  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: NFO Meta Language - Support #901 (New): trouble to run setup <>
05:20:24  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: NFO Meta Language - Support #901: trouble to run setup <>
05:26:44  <Yexo> good morning
05:28:00  <DJNekkid> <Yexo> DJNekkid: the order is 1-2-0-4-3, which is valid as far as I'm aware <-- its valid, just kinda orthdox :)
05:31:24  <planetmaker> moin
05:34:36  <Yexo> planetmaker: I addded #! /usr/bin/env python to
05:34:47  <Yexo> no idea about the other error you got
05:35:13  <planetmaker> I'll have to look into that later today
05:35:34  <planetmaker> but frustrating that it worked neither at home nor here :-(
05:36:31  <planetmaker> when I call NML now without installation (adding the additional nml to the path) it complains about a missing module
05:36:35  <planetmaker> 'generic'
05:36:51  <Yexo> which file does complain?
05:37:32  <planetmaker> let me check... I tested that during breakfast ;-)
05:39:04  <planetmaker> try make install in ogfxplus
05:39:33  <planetmaker>
05:40:06  <planetmaker>
05:40:11  <planetmaker> ^ 1st is paste fail
05:43:06  <Yexo> planetmaker: try callling nml2nfo instead of nml/
05:44:22  <planetmaker> uhm... no?
05:44:33  <planetmaker> ah. sorry.
05:44:40  <planetmaker> :-) I read 'you are...'
05:45:55  <planetmaker> that looks better. There it - as expected - only complains about missing lex module
05:45:59  <planetmaker> thanks :-)
05:52:30  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: NFO Meta Language - Revision 116: Fix (#901): make sure starts with "#! /usr/bin/env pyt... <>
06:02:40  <Yexo> planetmaker: can you still reproduce that "error: invalid Python installation:" error?
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06:11:21  <planetmaker> yes
06:11:30  <planetmaker> ingo@devera:~/ottd/grfdev/nml> sudo ./ install
06:11:30  <planetmaker> root's password:
06:11:30  <planetmaker> running install
06:11:31  <planetmaker> error: invalid Python installation: unable to open /usr/lib/python2.5/config/Makefile (No such file or directory)
06:12:00  <Yexo> which os is that?
06:12:06  <planetmaker> the config dir simply does not exist. SuSE 11.1
06:12:18  <Rubidium> no python 2.5? Maybe 2.6 (or already 3.1)?
06:12:46  <planetmaker> python --version gives me 2.5.2
06:13:20  <planetmaker> the python2.5 dir exists. Just not the config sub-dir
06:13:53  <Ammler> maybe you need python-devel
06:14:36  <planetmaker> let's see
06:14:57  <planetmaker> yes. That's it.
06:15:02  <planetmaker> :-)
06:15:38  <Ammler> what does the setup script?
06:15:54  <planetmaker> install nml2nfo in /usr/local/bin
06:15:57  <Yexo> dunno, it uses python setuptools
06:16:14  <planetmaker> copying build/scripts-2.5/nml2nfo -> /usr/local/bin
06:16:42  <Yexo> it does more then that, it also copies the other *.py files to /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/nml
06:16:48  <planetmaker> creating /usr/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages/nml
06:16:50  <Ammler> I would symlink the wrapper
08:55:19  <Ammler> planetmaker: specially if you plan to use nml2nfo tip
08:55:30  <Ammler> else you need to run every time
09:01:12  <planetmaker> yes, I'm aware that installation is not the best thing in my case :-)
09:01:35  <planetmaker> And tip will be what is needed probably for quite some time.
09:03:04  <Ammler> ln -s nml2nfo-wrapper ~/bin|/usr/local/bin or whatever, you see what I mean :-)
09:03:26  <planetmaker> yup :-)
09:04:40  <Ammler> Yexo: dunno, if it is a good idea to call the subir again nml :-)
09:05:12  <Ammler> subdir*
09:08:08  <planetmaker> it allows to add another subdir there which then reads n2gc ;-)
09:08:15  <planetmaker> nfo to grf converter :-P
09:08:16  <Ammler> he, just a guess
09:08:37  <Ammler> might it be possible, that the zlib bug also affects grfcodec with suse factory?
09:09:19  <planetmaker> hm, maybe. Dunno
09:09:31  <Ammler> I mean, in 2 months, 11.3 will be released then we should have a fix for it :-)
09:10:36  <Ammler> also openttd wouldn't work with it anymore
09:11:11  <Ammler> I could make a bugreport and ask for not update zlib
09:16:13  <planetmaker> do so :-)
09:17:00  <Ammler> well, the openttd news is a bit strange
09:17:26  <planetmaker> how so? Or which?
09:17:29  <Ammler> it speaks about version, but I have 1.2.3 only
09:18:06  <Ammler> .5 sounds more like a package version
09:18:54  <Ammler> Version: 1.2.3-140.2 <-- on my suse 11.2
09:19:09  <Rubidium> <-
09:19:10  <Webster> Title: Index of /current/beta (at
09:19:42  <Rubidium> they're more or less betas/intermediate unofficial releases that people tend to package
09:19:56  <planetmaker> Ammler, no, there are at least 10 versions of 1.2.3
09:19:56  <Rubidium> especially if nothing happened for 4 years since that beta
09:22:13  <Ammler> Current release:
09:22:14  <Ammler> zlib 1.2.4
09:22:15  <Ammler> March 14, 2010
09:22:19  <Hirundo> Yexo: I'm running into some problems because reduce_expr alters the expression its working with, instead of returning a copy
09:22:25  <Ammler> so 1.2.4 is stable now :-)
09:22:46  <Hirundo> Shall I alter reduce_expr to change this, or add some copy functions to the template code to avoid the problem?
09:25:54  <planetmaker> Ammler, I assume rather that they didn't want to issue . ;-)
09:26:03  <planetmaker> if you look at the releases starting in November
09:27:09  <Ammler> suse zlib 1.2.3 has around 10 patches
09:28:03  <Rubidium> Ammler: check the release date of 1.2.3
09:28:17  <Rubidium> or rather the dates in
09:28:42  <planetmaker> ^
09:29:41  <Rubidium> 1.2.3: mid 2005, .1->.3 "fall" 2006, .4 end of 2009, .5->.9 jan/feb 2010
09:31:54  <planetmaker> yep, they started to break it :-P
09:36:23  <Ammler> Rubidium: which version does debian use?
09:37:30  <Rubidium> in stable, in testing/unstable, in experimental (with bug reports about it breaking stuff)
09:39:19  <Ammler> suse maintainer doesn't update
09:39:33  <Ammler> except I proof, it has a bug :-)
09:39:57  <Rubidium> oh, you want poc?
09:40:16  <Ammler> Rubidium: well, 1.2.3 is fine
09:41:24  <Rubidium> you've got mail :)
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09:49:15  <Ammler> oh, so 1.2.4 won't work either?
09:50:08  <Rubidium> yes, 1.2.4 is broken
09:58:17  <Ammler> using grfcodec -n does disable zlib or is that something else?
09:58:50  <Ammler> -u*
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10:02:19  <Ammler> looks like suse 11.2 and Factory still use the same zlib, so that is something else
10:02:40  <Ammler> Rubidium: your mail proofs the maintainer to keep on 1.2.3 :-)
10:07:03  <Rubidium> grfcodec doesn't use zlib
10:29:25  <Ammler> hmm, how does it compress then?
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10:56:51  <Rubidium> some custom RLE-type compression
10:57:51  <planetmaker> hm. So grfs need to implement a custom compression algorithm? :S
11:00:16  <Ammler> it uses something, which breaks in suse factory... :-(
11:03:26  <Rubidium> planetmaker: yes
11:03:49  <planetmaker> goodness. That sucks :-(
11:04:09  <Rubidium> why?
11:05:18  <Rubidium> the compression is done in such a way that decompression is easy and drawing is fast
11:09:30  <planetmaker> ok, that's a bonus :-)
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14:45:37  <Yexo> Hirundo: I think modifying reduce_expr would be best
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16:26:14  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: NFO Meta Language - Support #901: trouble to run setup <>
16:36:32  <Hirundo> Yexo: shouldn't reduce_expr be moved to
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16:41:57  <planetmaker> Yexo: Hirundo r111 has the effect that the action8 is not written anymore...
16:44:06  <Hirundo> could you post some example code?
16:46:56  <planetmaker> my example is ogfxplus
16:47:19  <planetmaker>
16:47:34  <planetmaker> or
16:47:42  <planetmaker> if you like to get the checkout ;-)
16:59:03  <Hirundo> 1 * 0 08 07 "OG+0" "ÞOpenGFX+ Add-on NewGRF nightly-r1" 00 "ÞOpenGFX+ enhances default vehicles extends the rolling stock. Designed to fit OpenGFX style." 00 <-works for me, with and without sprite_count
17:00:21  <Hirundo> <- away
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17:15:07  <planetmaker> ah... the problem is the sprite order...
17:15:17  <planetmaker> action8 must be AFTER the sprite count. Which is not
17:15:45  <planetmaker> or rather which is not there.
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18:07:46  <andythenorth> hi hi
18:47:02  <OwenS> Why does that text have thorns in it?
18:47:06  <OwenS> :s
18:50:36  <Rubidium> that's "heh, UTF-8 text coming"
18:50:53  <Rubidium> probably not needed, but when generated automatically... who cares?
18:51:40  * andythenorth spent some of today fighting exciting unicode errors
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19:58:57  <Yexo> OwenS: it's only needed for utf-8 strings, but since ascii (at least 0-127) is a valid subset of utf-8 it's safe to write it always
19:59:23  <Yexo> and writing it always safes me the trouble of finding out which strings need it and which don't
19:59:47  <Yexo> planetmaker: you need to start the nml file with "sprite_count;" since r111
19:59:53  <Yexo> as the commit message also says
20:04:01  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: NFO Meta Language - Support #901 (Closed): trouble to run setup <" target="_blank">> || NFO Meta Language - Support #901 (Closed): trouble to run setup <>
20:07:46  <Yexo> <Hirundo> Yexo: shouldn't reduce_expr be moved to
20:07:46  <Yexo>  <_ yes
20:26:47  <andythenorth> planetmaker: what user do I need to scp to
20:26:48  <andythenorth> ?
20:33:14  <Ammler> andythenorth: s
20:33:30  * andythenorth face palm
20:36:08  <andythenorth> Ammler: I've added the FISH 0.4 release
20:41:45  <Ammler> andythenorth: nice :-)
20:42:05  <andythenorth> did I miss an md5 :o
20:42:24  <Ammler> readme.txt
20:42:33  <Ammler> but compiled...
20:46:25  <Ammler> .REV is useless :-)
20:46:49  <Ammler> that is just for depends checks
20:51:21  <planetmaker> Ammler: REV is useless but simplifies the copy command enormously ;-)
20:51:45  <planetmaker> just fish-0.4.* and done ;-)
20:51:55  <planetmaker> andythenorth: thanks for copying
20:51:56  <Ammler> oh, ok :-)
20:53:21  <andythenorth> hmm why didn't readme.txt compile?
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21:01:03  <planetmaker> andythenorth: is it that the original file is also called readme.txt and not readme.ptxt?
21:01:18  <andythenorth> probably that
21:20:16  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX+ - Revision 4: Change: Declare the sprite count sprite explicitly as required as of NML r111 <>
21:24:10  <Ammler> Yexo: Hirundo, I have an idea about sprite count
21:24:38  <Ammler> action8 is indicator for newgrf, wihout it, no newgrf, no sprite count
21:25:09  <Yexo> hmm, that is a good idea :)
21:25:52  <Ammler> I am not sure, is it possible to code base grf anyway?
21:26:04  <Yexo> dunno
21:26:20  <Yexo> it might be possible to include some spriteset blocks in the global scope
21:26:38  <Yexo> and if it isn't, we could make that possible
21:30:02  <planetmaker> I like the idea to connect action8 + spritecount :-)
21:32:51  <planetmaker> Yexo: you had yesterday some action3 / liveryoverride somewhere. Could you paste that (again) please?
21:33:10  <Yexo> planetmaker: I don't have it anymore
21:33:20  <planetmaker> oh :-(
21:33:45  <Yexo> just add liveryoverride(wagon_id) { same_contents_as_graphics_block; } in the Item block of the engine
21:34:09  <planetmaker> :-) Let's see how that looks like
21:34:34  <Ammler> the base grfs have fixed size
21:35:16  <Ammler> not sure, if it is worth to support it...
21:35:18  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX+ - Revision 5: Add: 32px normal passenger wagon sprites for arctic climate <>
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