Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 23rd April 2010:
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07:49:37  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Bug #903: missing(?) sprites <>
08:05:00  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Feature #662: Rework trains <> || OpenGFX - Feature #662: Rework trains <>
08:21:13  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Revision 415: Fix [#662]: Improve alignment of toyland maglev engine and wagons a bit <> || Redmine - Revision 3530: Refactor: Split IssuesController#new to #new and #create to match REST p... <>
09:09:51  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Revision 416: Fix [#662]: Fix the alignment of the Ploddyphut properly and don't just u... <>
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17:07:27  <DJNekkid> how the crap can i install wine?
17:07:49  <Ammler> yum install wine
17:08:25  <Ammler> DJNekkid: in general, everything is much easier on linux ;-)
17:08:57  <DJNekkid> i've tried that
17:09:01  <DJNekkid> and it cant find wine
17:09:16  <DJNekkid> and i've tried adding this or that repo to /etc/yum/something.conf
17:09:18  <DJNekkid> or something :)
17:09:35  <Ammler> but rpmforge is installed?
17:10:49  <DJNekkid> now that is a good question :)
17:11:24  <Ammler> centos is no distro for desktop, you know
17:11:31  <Ammler> I guess, I told you already :-P
17:12:52  <DJNekkid> yup...
17:12:57  <Ammler> next time, you should first ask here, then your rl mate
17:13:07  <DJNekkid> hehe
17:13:08  <DJNekkid> yup!
17:13:12  <Ammler> or ask your rl mate how to install wine :-P
17:13:28  <DJNekkid> if i were to ask you, what distro? :)
17:14:09  <Ammler> too late :-)
17:15:02  <Ammler> I use suse, doesn't mean it is best ;-)
17:15:18  <Ammler> but it is for sure better desktop distro
17:18:20  <DJNekkid> i honestly didnt think i needed it so much for a desktop, but apparelty i do :)
17:21:19  <DJNekkid>
17:21:21  <Webster> Title: DAG: wine RPM packages for Red Hat, CentOS and Fedora (at
17:21:21  <DJNekkid> i found that page
17:21:31  <DJNekkid> any suggestions?
17:21:43  <andythenorth> hi hi
17:22:42  <planetmaker> hello :-)
17:22:48  <SmatZ> hello :)
17:27:03  <Ammler> DJNekkid: [19:09] <Ammler> but rpmforge is installed?
17:27:26  <Ammler> it is (imo) the best 3rd party repo for rh/centos
17:28:00  <DJNekkid>
17:28:05  <DJNekkid> seems so doesnt it?
17:29:49  <Ammler>
17:29:50  <Webster> Title: Index of /wine (at
17:31:29  <DJNekkid> bah
17:31:37  <DJNekkid> unable to reslove *alot* of dependencies
17:32:46  <Ammler> centos is such crap, even not possible to handle proper architecture (32 or 64 bit)
17:33:11  <Ammler> you might need to ask centos guys...
17:33:23  <Ammler> it is above my experience :-(
17:34:09  <Ammler> if you like yum, you might try Fedora
17:34:39  <DJNekkid> doesnt it have something similar?
17:35:01  <Ammler> yes, I assume so
17:35:04  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Revision 418: Fix [#662]: Improve alignment of Dash diesel train by using the 9/8 lengt... <> || OpenGFX - Revision 417: Fix [#662]: Improve alignment of temperate wagons <>
17:35:57  <Ammler> redhat, centos and fedora have some relations...
17:36:04  <DJNekkid> it seems so
17:36:16  <DJNekkid> its just that...
17:36:23  <DJNekkid> we need to get a server at work first
17:36:29  <DJNekkid> so i can have a running redmine
17:36:42  <DJNekkid> i dont dare to uninstall something on this
17:36:53  <DJNekkid> just to let that redmine DB get lost in the process
17:36:57  <Ammler> well, for a server only, centos isn't the worst :-)
17:36:57  <DJNekkid> someone would probably kill me
17:37:38  <Ammler> but for com, you could also buy SLE :-)
17:38:34  <DJNekkid> for com?
17:38:41  <Ammler> commercial
17:38:52  <DJNekkid> if centos works, i'll keep it :)
17:38:53  <DJNekkid> for them i mean
17:39:52  <Ammler> centos is like debian not really recommend for beginners
17:40:09  <Ammler> suse or redhat is :-)
17:42:45  <DJNekkid> i used redhat once! :D
17:45:55  <Ammler> oh, I would also recommend nginx for redmine...
17:50:10  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 774: merge <> || OpenGFX - Revision 419: Fix [#662]: Move Manley Morel sprites to its own file and use the 9/8 ali... <>
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18:05:16  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FISH - Revision 339: Change: allow freight hovercraft to refit to mail <> || FISH - Revision 338: Change: freight hovercraft default to Goods <> || OpenGFX - Revision 420: Add [#662]: Add alignment template for 8/8 lengths engine sprites <>
18:50:44  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FISH - Revision 340: Change: correct offsets for Hovercraft Medium Freight <>
19:06:13  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Revision 421: Change [#662]: Alignment of maglev wagons <>
19:17:35  <Ammler> why is that called MOLACE?
19:21:16  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FISH - Revision 341: Change: correct offsets for Hovercraft Freight Large <>
19:36:21  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FISH - Revision 343: Change: set some stats for Hovercraft Freight Large <> || FISH - Revision 342: Change: set some stats for Hovercraft Freight Medium <>
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19:48:23  <planetmaker> Ammler: that's the graphics artist
19:48:36  <planetmaker> And his sprite arangement so to speak
19:48:43  <planetmaker> within the file
19:49:19  <planetmaker> I didn't want to call it new new newwagons ;-)
20:18:58  <Ammler> no, I do not like the name in the temlate
20:20:56  <planetmaker> but template A and template B is less descriptive.
20:21:27  <planetmaker> and this way it's clear that it applies to the graphics drawn by him.
20:21:45  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Revision 422: Change [#662]: Enlarge the height of the 8/8 graphics template by one pix... <>
20:23:29  <planetmaker> Better tell me where I should put the engine pcx template :-)
20:33:20  <Ammler> well, it isn't a template anymore :-P
20:33:30  <planetmaker> hm?
20:33:39  <planetmaker> why?
20:34:02  <Ammler> well, imo, the idea about a template is to reuse it
20:35:20  <planetmaker> that's what I do... I currently copy all engines to the template...
20:39:37  <planetmaker> the wagons are not worth that... at least now
20:43:46  <Ammler> mäh, I should help you instead of...
20:44:57  <Ammler> andythenorth: who are you fooling in #openttd?
20:46:00  <Ammler> oh, you are quoting..
20:46:02  <andythenorth> Ammler: fooling myself
20:46:14  * andythenorth should sleep
20:46:18  <Ammler> :-)
20:46:55  <andythenorth> good night
20:47:07  <planetmaker> good night, andythenorth :-)
20:47:38  <planetmaker> may you sleep without interruption ;-)
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21:37:14  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Revision 423: Change [#662]: Unify alignment to a common base <>
22:07:10  <GT> Does anyone know why opensfx is declared unstable at Gentoo packages, it's blocking emerge of openttd1.0.0
22:07:14  <GT> !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy "games-misc/opensfx" have been masked.
22:07:14  <GT> !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your request:
22:07:14  <GT> - games-misc/opensfx-0.2.3 (masked by: ~x86 keyword)
22:08:18  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Revision 424: Fix [#662]: Add all those forgotten PCX files <>
22:09:44  <planetmaker> GT: is it maybe a license issue?
22:10:12  <planetmaker> Also OpenTTD should not depend on OpenSFX. It works nicely without
22:10:20  <planetmaker> Only vice versa a dependency is sensible
22:12:44  <Ammler> Gentoo and commercial use?
22:13:08  <GT> agreed, but the dependency is present in the ebuild, dunno why
22:13:09  <GT> (dependency required by "games-simulation/openttd-1.0.0" [ebuild])
22:13:13  <Ammler> can you buy gentoo cds?
22:13:21  <frosch123> gentoo recently got a "license" setting
22:13:44  <frosch123> but, yeah, i did not notice that there are grfcodec and nforenum ebuilds :o
22:14:12  <frosch123> GT: catcodec is also masked
22:14:28  <Ammler> tell them, they should use the binaries...
22:15:05  <Ammler> and include in openttd
22:15:08  <GT> Well, that a bit against Gentoo philosopy
22:15:11  <frosch123> and they patch cflags -> cxxflags :) didn't rb complain about that?
22:15:22  <SmatZ> GT: openttd-1.0.0 is ~arch too, isn't it?
22:15:50  <GT> No, it isn't, just blocked by opensfx
22:16:03  <SmatZ> that's what you get for mixing stable and unstable trees :-p
22:16:08  <SmatZ> KEYWORDS="~amd64 ~ppc ~ppc64 ~x86"
22:16:13  <SmatZ> synced today morning
22:16:21  <SmatZ> ok, maybe they updated it meanwhile :)
22:16:24  <Rubidium> GT: Gentoo is, in my opinion, which is purely based on what I see them doing w.r.t. OpenTTD, summed up in one word: incompetent
22:16:29  <frosch123> i synced two hours ago or so
22:17:08  <Rubidium> frosch123: actually, the don't patch config.lib; they just clear CFLAGS
22:17:13  <GT> Rubidium: correct, I usually compile myself, just noticed it in my last world update
22:18:57  <Rubidium> GT: <- that's definitely an "origin" Gentoo CVE and they even don't get the versions it's broken in right
22:19:13  <Rubidium> (same for CVE-2005-2763)
22:20:10  <frosch123> openmsx is dual licensed gpl and sampling+ ?
22:20:19  <Rubidium> frosch123: yes
22:21:08  <frosch123> "An ambiguously named music replacement set for OpenTTD" :p
22:21:14  <planetmaker> :-D
22:21:20  <SmatZ> :-D
22:21:26  <SmatZ> openmsf ftw
22:21:30  <SmatZ> *openmsx
22:21:56  <Rubidium> all other sane distros called it openttd-open..x, but no... Gentoo must do it differently
22:22:17  <GT> Smatz: I stand corrected, openttd is masked too, I did not get to that point because of the opensfx dependency..:-(
22:23:19  <SmatZ> GT: good :)
22:23:22  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Revision 425: Add: Template pcx file for rail vehicles for length 8/8 <>
22:23:44  <SmatZ> USE=-openmedia could help, but...
22:24:55  <SmatZ> I am disappointed by the fact 0.7.3 is still unstable at amd64
22:25:10  <Rubidium> and they still haven't really told me why iconv is so fracking important for them
22:25:43  <Rubidium> guess they want to support filesystems that use some strange encoding
22:26:27  <Rubidium> although, why would iconv be needed? IIRC even smbfs does the filename encoding for you
22:26:43  <Ammler> gentoo is really silly, they even don't listen to the origin devs, suse simply applied my patch ;-)
22:27:37  <Rubidium> SmatZ: 0.7.3 is still stable I 'hope'
22:27:51  <Rubidium> and/or 0.7.5 is still unstable
22:28:11  <SmatZ> Rubidium: 0.7.5 for x86, 0.7.3 for amd64 :)
22:28:24  * SmatZ doesn't understand much that iconv topic, so...
22:29:01  <Ammler> but something the devs should like, they categorize it to simulation :-P
22:29:08  <planetmaker> strange guys those are :-)
22:29:12  <Rubidium> I do... it's just someone with de_DE.KOI8 or so and then it tries to parse those strings as KOI8
22:29:49  <SmatZ> :)
22:30:33  <SmatZ> [00:24:59] <SmatZ> I am disappointed by the fact 0.7.3 is still unstable at amd64 <== 0.7.3=>0.7.5
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22:30:44  <frosch123> [00:29] <Ammler> but something the devs should like, they categorize it to simulation :-P <- same as with lincity and simutrans
22:30:50  <GT> Well, I used to like Gentoo a lot, but I'm having more and more issues with it. I recently switched to KDE4, I tell you, not a nice experience
22:31:28  <frosch123> is kde4 less broken on other distros?
22:31:52  <GT> Apart from the fact that they manage to completely break my system on  a recent xserver update, could not even use the keyboard
22:32:27  <GT> frosch: dont know, I only have a dual boot with windows
22:32:27  <frosch123> that is normal. when you emerge xorg-server it tells you to rebuild all driver modules, including keyboard driver
22:32:46  <Ammler> kde4 works quite nice since almost a year.
22:33:04  <Ammler> >4.2
22:33:24  <GT> when you install it clean, probably, but not when upgrading from kde 3
22:33:55  <frosch123> Ammler: i have problems like, konsole not being able to deal with the numpad. kate crashing sometimes after safe...
22:33:59  <Ammler> GT, that might depense on the distro :-P
22:34:00  <GT> only after removing all .kde dirs and settings it kind of worked
22:34:49  <frosch123> GT: you have to read the emerge messages :)
22:34:52  <planetmaker> frosch: kicker and kwin crash more often for me than kate ;-)
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22:35:23  <Ammler> planetmaker: you use a recent KDE?
22:35:25  <frosch123> planetmaker: i switched to xfce, so no kicker nor kwin
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22:35:40  <planetmaker> Ammler: not quite :-) I need a more recent computer for that :-P
22:35:57  <planetmaker> KDE4 was really sluggish on that workplace machine
22:36:10  <GT> And what I really hate is the replacement of konqueror with dolphin
22:36:20  <frosch123> though i wonder whethed kate only crashed because i did not install any of the kde bug handling packages, which excludes me from support :p
22:36:29  <GT> imho it really sucks
22:37:10  <GT> And yeah, of course I can replace it, but why they decided to make it the default browser, beats me
22:38:03  <Ammler> maybe you should try Krusader
22:38:09  <Ammler> that is mc for KDE
22:38:29  <GT> may have a try, never used it myself
22:40:34  <Ammler> the only usage I have for Konqueror left is for manpages
22:41:29  <Ammler> Dolphin is nice
22:41:35  <GT> Kate never crashed on me, but then again, I dont use it very often   because it used to be kind of slow on my previous, kind of old computer. I swithed to geany for editing, simple but fast and still using it
22:41:49  <GT> Dolphin is nice?
22:43:09  <GT> Like clicking on a tar and not being able to browse it?
22:43:30  <Ammler> you aren't?
22:43:42  <Ammler> hmm, you should maybe really use Krusader :-P
22:43:59  <GT> no, I am with konqueror, so it's not my system setup
22:45:13  <Ammler> no idea, it uses Ark here
22:47:45  <Ammler> how many clicks do you need to make Konqueror default file browser?
22:48:19  <Ammler> 4?
22:50:00  <Ammler> how do I sed the same file?
22:50:23  <Ammler> sed file > file doesn't work
22:53:08  <GT> Btw, shall I add the main repo for 32bpp-EZ again, or does the patch queue suffice?
22:54:31  <GT> Cause I think it is needed for a CF run, but then main repo could be combined with several other patches.
22:58:21  * frosch123 emerges geany
22:58:39  <GT> Ammler: sed -i replaces file inplace
23:02:02  <Ammler> GT, you should also consider making a branch applied to stable branch
23:04:17  <Rubidium> I don't know how well the CF works with branches
23:04:42  <Rubidium> nor am I 100% sure there aren't changes that don't break compatability
23:06:09  <GT> Ammler: I dont really need it, having the patch queue inplace, but it would be nice to have a Windows bin of the Ez-patch from time to time, 'cause its requested frequently, and I think the CF needs a complete repo
23:08:18  <GT> And I studied hooks recently, making me believe that it would not be too hard to maintain a main repo, when the patch repo is updated
23:37:05  <Ammler> Rubidium: the branch was meant for the patch itself, imo, it would make sense to have it with stables
23:38:16  <Ammler> (too)
23:41:14  <Ammler> he, isn't that strange?
23:41:43  <Ammler> if I configure apache to listen to port 88, I get a forbidden page
23:45:59  <Ammler> ok, seems like wildcard port doesn't work :-)
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