Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 29th April 2010:
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05:48:53  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Revision 442: Cleanup: Remove some unused pcx files <> || OpenGFX - Revision 441: Doc: Add release dates to changelog and bring it up to date with current ... <> || Redmine - Revision 3537: Refactor: Move gantts to a separate controller. <>
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09:29:47  <welshdragon> has the redmine issue of news posting been resoolved?
09:31:02  <planetmaker> We didn't yet change anything
09:31:51  <Ammler> I would prefer, you would use it more wisely
09:32:19  <Ammler> for example, do not use it for "internal" stuff
09:32:27  <Ammler> use your forum for such things
09:33:35  <Ammler> make one bigger news item, instead of 2 small ones
09:43:25  <welshdragon> aah, ok
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10:31:39  <PeterT> 2logs
10:31:46  <PeterT> @logs
10:31:46  <Webster> Logs:
10:31:58  <PeterT> these should be in the topic :-P
10:33:24  <PeterT> Ammler: [06:33] == ERROR: Closing Link: (No more connections from this host allowed.  See for more info.)
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10:33:25  <Webster> Title: LimitExceptions - OFTC (at
10:33:28  <Ammler> @topic remove -1
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10:33:49  <Ammler> PeterT: wow :-)
10:33:59  <PeterT> I only tried to connect once D:
10:34:50  <PeterT> you guys need multiple IPs for that web service, like my bouncer does :-P
10:38:45  <Ammler> thanks, I try another way...
10:39:01  <PeterT> Yeap, I'm watching #oftc too ;-)
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15:24:49  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: 2cc train set - Revision 512: Change: Changed the 1st parameter abit <>
15:36:12  <Ammler>
15:36:25  <Ammler>
15:36:37  <Ammler> planetmaker: do you see a difference ^ ?
15:37:45  <planetmaker> obviously in the  time taken. But I assume there's another
15:38:33  <planetmaker> hm... different sizes don't help comparison
15:39:01  <Ammler> different sizes?
15:39:08  <planetmaker> of the images
15:39:21  <Ammler> oh well, I mean the content
15:39:26  <Rubidium> ore blue and yellow buildings?
15:39:32  <Rubidium> +m
15:39:37  <Ammler> specially the colored office buildings
15:39:47  <planetmaker> yes, they feature a different entrance roof for non-snow
15:40:57  <Ammler> which version do you like more?
15:41:04  <Ammler> hmm, is that the difference
15:41:22  <Ammler> I guess, the color is also a bit lighter
15:42:07  <planetmaker> I see no colour difference
15:42:22  <Ammler> I do not like that house at all
15:42:28  <Ammler> the old and new one
15:43:00  <Ammler> the color has imo too much influence
15:43:40  <planetmaker> a bit too dominating, yes.
15:43:53  <Ammler>,4576
15:44:08  <planetmaker> The non-colour entrance roof version needs adjustment of the snowy entrance roof in order to allow for the curvature
15:44:39  <Ammler> the non-colored version is the new one
15:44:55  <Ammler> it is better but not very much :-)
15:45:41  <Ammler> well, I would like to make some changes, the question is shall I commit it or not?
15:45:52  <Ammler> or shall I post those images to tt-forums?
15:46:11  <planetmaker> If you could adjust the curvature of the snow it's quite fine with me.
15:46:28  <Ammler> what's curvature?
15:46:32  <Rubidium> the trains look seriously messed up though
15:46:41  <planetmaker> Rubidium, in nightly?
15:46:43  <Ammler> Rubidium: that is what pm fixes
15:46:46  <Ammler> fixed*
15:46:52  <Ammler> those images are old
15:46:58  <planetmaker> in current release they are :S
15:47:19  <Ammler> yep, we will release 0.2.4 this week
15:47:20  <Ammler> :-)
15:47:22  <planetmaker> but I think I touched every train in the last two weeks :-)
15:47:39  <planetmaker> even every engine got its own pcx :-)
15:48:41  <Rubidium> planetmaker: no, in Ammler's image
15:48:42  <planetmaker> <-- the spin-off wiki page | Rubidium :-)
15:48:56  <Rubidium> no idea what Ammler's using though
15:48:59  <planetmaker> Rubidium, yeah, that's old :-)
15:49:27  <planetmaker> he might pull new version ;-)
15:50:15  <planetmaker> Hm... dunno right now: do default houses follow a changing snow line?
15:51:04  <planetmaker> but still... a newgrf might take care of that... so, Ammler I'd add a bit snow on top of the new roof and copy that on the snow version.
15:51:46  <Ammler> planetmaker: it has
15:52:00  <planetmaker> Ammler, yes, but the snow version looks like the old snow version
15:52:11  <planetmaker> And that looks wrong. The new roof has curvature and is higher
15:52:23  <Ammler> ah, I see
15:53:41  <Ammler> ok, I post it on tt-forums
15:54:22  <Ammler> I make a patch and revert my local changes...
15:56:13  <planetmaker> don't get rid of your (new) sprites
15:56:27  <planetmaker> it's better. Just the snow version needs adoption
15:56:29  <Ammler> <-- shall I commit A?
15:56:41  <Ammler> planetmaker: then I commit it
15:56:54  <Ammler> as snowline doesn't change, it shouldn't matter, does it?
15:57:12  <planetmaker> well... it could in junction with newgrfs which support that on the basis of the original houses
15:57:55  <Ammler> I commit but don't close the ticket... ok?
15:58:05  <Ammler> and report about in tt-forums...
15:58:11  <planetmaker> alright. if you change the house... can you make it a separate pcx?
15:58:16  <Ammler> it is
15:58:19  <planetmaker> ok
15:58:22  <planetmaker> good :-)
15:58:27  <Ammler> of course :-P
15:58:31  <planetmaker> :-)
15:58:44  <planetmaker> sprites/ogfx1.pcx 514 17848 03 31 64 -31 0
15:58:44  <planetmaker>  <-- didn't look like
15:59:13  <planetmaker> but that might be just the web viewer of it.
15:59:24  <Ammler> ever seen file extension: .withc ?
15:59:35  <planetmaker> hu? No, never
15:59:37  <Ammler> what could that be?
15:59:52  <Ammler> ah forget it :-P
16:00:03  <planetmaker> the config file of "withc" ;-)
16:00:04  <Ammler> what is from my local grfcodec -c tests
16:00:11  <Ammler> that*
16:00:14  <planetmaker> lol
16:00:41  <Ammler> so long ago, I touched opengfx last time :-D
16:01:05  <planetmaker> few weeks ;-)
16:01:49  <planetmaker> Rubidium, when are you releasing 1.0.1? We might then just release OpenGFX 0.2.4 the day before or so...
16:02:04  <planetmaker> The train fixes are important ;-)
16:02:25  <Rubidium> planetmaker: on the day the Germans are going to 'invade' Enschede :)
16:02:35  <ODM> that's tomorrow.
16:02:41  <planetmaker> hehe
16:02:42  <ODM> oh wait that's a secret.
16:03:24  <planetmaker> I would have guessed the 1st May...
16:03:36  <Rubidium> why would the Germans invade tomorrow?
16:03:44  <ODM> it's in their nature?
16:03:48  <Rubidium> they don't even have a day off (as far as I know)
16:04:07  * planetmaker yawns
16:04:23  <Rubidium> planetmaker: labour day
16:04:26  <ODM> we do, so they can use that to their advantage
16:04:44  <planetmaker> May 1st is official holiday
16:04:54  <Rubidium> planetmaker: not here...
16:06:02  <Ammler> planetmaker: monolev is much better
16:06:14  <Ammler> seriously worth to make release everytime soon
16:06:34  <planetmaker> I guess.
16:06:41  <planetmaker> So I'll get home and prepare it ;-)
16:06:50  <planetmaker> Go and commit your house :-P
16:06:59  <Ammler> yes, and the toyland tile
16:07:04  <planetmaker> :-)
16:07:10  <Rubidium> anyhow, last occurrences of May 1st I've been in Enschede there were more Germans that Dutch people "shopping"
16:07:20  <planetmaker> Take the compromise between mine and anasthasios' opinion ;-)
16:07:36  <Ammler> hmm, an the opinion of the authr
16:07:37  <planetmaker> he @ Rubidium :-)
16:07:42  <Ammler> was A to, imo
16:07:59  <planetmaker> Ammler, no, there was a difference... like medium version or so.
16:08:00  <Ammler> I tend to agree with anasthasios
16:08:05  <planetmaker> see :-)
16:08:16  <planetmaker> but it's toyland ;-)
16:08:29  <Ammler> yes, and not comicland
16:08:46  <Ammler> A might be a tile for your set :-P
16:08:53  <planetmaker> Rubidium, there's similar things withing Germany when one federal state has public holidays and the other not.
16:09:05  <planetmaker> Guess what happens in towns near those borders at those occasions...
16:09:15  <DJNekkid> planetmaker: quick question: if i get the error:"make: *** No rule to make target `Makefile.dep', needed by `depend'.  Stop.", is there any way for me to see what file it is that is missing?
16:09:29  <Ammler> :-)
16:09:41  <planetmaker> DJNekkid, one of the new ones ;-)
16:10:08  <DJNekkid> i've //'ed thoose includes
16:10:10  <planetmaker> I haven't found a good solution which works either way :-(
16:10:16  <Ammler> he, why didn't I start Brot again?
16:10:19  <planetmaker> DJNekkid, then run make remak
16:10:24  <planetmaker> *remake
16:10:33  <planetmaker> or manually delete Makefile.dep
16:10:36  <DJNekkid> did both
16:10:42  <Rubidium> Ammler: because it isn't 18:18 yet?
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16:10:47  <DJNekkid> but who knows what i might have touched :P
16:10:57  <planetmaker> then you didn't uncomment all new ones :-P
16:11:00  <planetmaker> DJNekkid, hg diff?
16:11:43  <planetmaker> it usually knows quite well what you modified
16:12:01  <Ammler> ah, I remeber why
16:12:11  <Ammler> the new code doesn't work...
16:12:58  <Ammler> and I liked to fix but then the whole 1.0.0 release and /. arised :-P
16:13:55  <DJNekkid> hmm
16:14:02  <DJNekkid> could i have changed the name of a file+
16:14:05  <DJNekkid> ?...
16:14:08  <DJNekkid> *wonders*
16:14:16  <Ammler> check the logs :-)
16:14:36  <Ammler> and the nightly complile logs should tell you when it worked last time
16:14:37  <planetmaker> DJNekkid, did you check hg diff?
16:14:42  <DJNekkid> yes
16:14:46  <DJNekkid> all includes were //'ed
16:15:15  <DJNekkid> 'hg st' shows as ! infront of two files?
16:15:22  <DJNekkid> ignore the ?
16:15:24  <planetmaker> those are deleted
16:15:27  <DJNekkid> does that mean they arent there?
16:15:29  <planetmaker> and are missing
16:15:32  <planetmaker> yes
16:15:38  <planetmaker> hg revert <filename>
16:15:55  <DJNekkid> it actually were a dir that changed name :)
16:16:07  <planetmaker> always use hg rename
16:16:11  <planetmaker> and not dos rename
16:16:15  <planetmaker> or windows
16:16:18  <DJNekkid> yea
16:16:27  <DJNekkid> i know, i dont always remember :)
16:16:34  <Ammler> DJNekkid: does develop on centos ;-)
16:16:43  <DJNekkid> not really...
16:16:47  <DJNekkid> i just build on centos
16:16:52  <DJNekkid> i use windows to "dev" :)
16:16:54  <Ammler> ah, I thought you did :-)
16:16:54  <planetmaker>
16:16:57  <planetmaker> ^^ DJNekkid
16:17:02  <planetmaker> some sprites need fixing
16:17:14  <planetmaker> quite thoroughly actually
16:17:34  <planetmaker> off by 100% ;-)
16:18:06  <DJNekkid> _most_ likely a 4 should be changed to a 3 or something :)
16:18:33  <Brot6> 2cctrainset: update from r512 to r512 done (17 errors) -
16:18:34  <Brot6> fish: no commit since last failed compile, compile skipped (r359)
16:19:03  <planetmaker> :-O
16:19:07  <planetmaker> fish fails?!
16:19:14  <Brot6> opengfx: update from r441 to r442 done (1 errors) -
16:19:15  <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a update: 32bpp-extra (r31), airportsplus (r48), bros (r10), comic-houses (r69), firs (r780), heqs (r318), nmts (r15), nutracks (r59), openmsx (r49), opensfx (r88), snowlinemod (r10), worldairlineset (r636)
16:20:05  <Ammler> planetmaker: could also be that there is a zombie error file
16:20:11  <planetmaker> hm... I'm not impressed by OpenGFX' error log :-(
16:20:51  <Ammler> he?
16:21:34  <Ammler> "update from r512 to r512 done" <-- the error
16:26:51  <Ammler> how do I revert a merge?
16:27:28  <Ammler> hg up -C might help
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16:38:00  <planetmaker> Ammler, I just pushed a small fix
16:41:51  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: 2cc train set - Revision 514: Fix: white errors on the small hopper <> || OpenGFX - Revision 443: Fix: [Makefile] bundle_zip was reporting an error during dir preparation <> || 2cc train set - Revision 513: Changes: <>
16:42:52  <Ammler> fish error is real error
16:57:23  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FISH - Bug #908 (New): missing files <> || 2cc train set - Revision 515: Change: Lowered the running and purchasecosts abit, roughly 10% <> || Example NewGRF Project - Revision 88: Change: Don't pack the grf files directly in the zip, but d... <>
16:58:13  <Ammler> planetmaker: how did you get that output?
16:58:28  <planetmaker> accidentially :-P
16:58:34  <planetmaker> hg pull -u
16:58:37  <planetmaker> make clean :-P
16:58:59  <planetmaker> it's still not working properly :S
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17:59:10  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Revision 444: Feature [#883]: improve entrance roof of office building (4444,4445,4576) <>
18:02:38  <planetmaker> la lalalalalala :-)
18:15:43  <DJNekkid> bored?
18:16:05  <planetmaker> a bit :-P
18:16:14  <DJNekkid> me two
18:16:16  <planetmaker> and issueing unnecessary highlights :-P
18:16:46  <Ammler> ah, lalala :-)
18:16:48  <DJNekkid> hehe
18:17:57  <DJNekkid> hmm...
18:29:15  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FISH - Bug #909 (New): Compilation not working in recent revisions <>
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18:44:03  <DJNekkid> planetmaker: any idea how to use that "setX"-thingy?
18:44:17  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FISH - Revision 360: Add: pcx file for hovercraft <>
18:44:54  <Ammler> andythenorth: no ticket to close?
18:45:09  <planetmaker> two tickets to close :-P
18:45:20  <Ammler> (you could do that with the commit message)
18:45:42  <Ammler> I hoped, "dublicate" does close one automatically...
18:50:52  <planetmaker> DJNekkid: I've no clue :-(
18:51:12  <DJNekkid> planetmaker: im getting some as we speak
18:58:48  <DJNekkid> heey
18:58:54  <DJNekkid> 2cc set is now basicly errorfree...
18:59:01  <DJNekkid> one "feature 12" error
18:59:07  <DJNekkid> and two spritesets that isnt used...
18:59:23  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: 2cc train set - Bug #889 (Closed): bug around line 630 <> || 2cc train set - Bug #889: bug around line 630 <> || 2cc train set - Bug #341 (Closed): engines available before 1st wagons <> || 2cc train set - Bug #644 (Closed): remove spacer strings and replace them by SetX <> || 2cc train set - Revision 516: Fix: Close #644 <>
19:13:20  <Ammler> planetmaker: will you make the release today?
19:13:28  <Ammler> else I push something...
19:13:36  <planetmaker> go, push
19:13:56  <planetmaker> I still can release then, can't I? ;-)
19:14:01  <Ammler> yeah, well
19:14:08  <Ammler> it's a -c thing
19:14:21  <planetmaker> but it won't break anything?
19:14:32  <Ammler> not that I see in my tests
19:15:04  <Ammler> and I wouldn't recommend using -c for the release
19:15:06  <planetmaker> as long as you don't re-enable -c for OpenGFX it should be fine to adjust the pcx flags
19:15:14  <planetmaker> -c is disabled for OpenGFX
19:15:26  <Ammler> but we enable it right after the release :-P
19:15:27  <planetmaker> in Makefile.config
19:15:42  <planetmaker> well... only, I say, if there's no errors then anymore
19:15:57  <Ammler> yes, "your" bugs are fixed
19:16:03  <planetmaker> :-P
19:16:07  <Ammler> but there might be other glitches which are hard to find
19:16:19  <Ammler> that is why I wouldn't use it for the next release
19:16:23  <planetmaker> ok, if that fixes it, fine :-) Right after the release
19:16:55  <Ammler> I only flagged foundations
19:17:00  <planetmaker> though... well... yeah, then it could be pushed after the release...
19:17:04  <Ammler> there need more to be done
19:22:35  <planetmaker> hm... thinking of that: let me first make the release. then we dive into that
19:24:24  <planetmaker> Ammler: have you commited already?
19:26:13  <Ammler> right now
19:26:24  <Ammler> hmm
19:26:40  <Ammler> we can rollback...
19:26:46  <planetmaker> na, don't worry
19:27:43  <Ammler> it is a mass change :-P
19:27:59  <planetmaker> yeah, I see that :-)
19:29:48  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Revision 445: Change [#903]: flag foundation sprites so grfcodec doesn't autocrop it (+40) <> || OpenGFX - Feature #903 (Assigned): grfcodec -c (was missing(?) sprites) <>
19:30:57  <Ammler> seems like house ground tiles needs the flag too
19:31:14  <planetmaker> well, yeah, they're ground tiles, too
19:32:28  <Ammler> you have real name of 2006TTD?
19:32:34  <planetmaker> nope
19:36:59  <Ammler> shit
19:37:10  <Ammler> now that was bad :-D
19:37:20  <planetmaker> hm?
19:41:17  <planetmaker> Ammler: a glitch or error in the commited stuff which eludes me?
19:43:01  <Ammler> nothing in the code
19:43:08  <Ammler> I removed accidentailly a ticket
19:44:42  <planetmaker> ah
19:45:03  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Feature #910 (New): grfcodec -c (was missing(?) sprites) <>
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20:12:50  <planetmaker> Ammler: can you cross-check the 0.2.4 version from bundles?
20:13:37  <Ammler> no, :-(
20:13:43  <Ammler> there is no 0.2.4 tag
20:14:01  <planetmaker> yes. I know. I only want to push it when you say, that the thing uploaded is ok ;-)
20:14:22  <planetmaker> or we end up messing repos on the server :-P
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20:15:15  <Ammler> I prefer to review diffs :-P
20:15:26  <Ammler> for example readme or changelog...
20:15:36  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Feature #903 (New): grfcodec -c (was missing(?) sprites) <>
20:16:35  <planetmaker>
20:16:38  <planetmaker> wrt r444
20:18:05  <Ammler> building from src worked
20:18:15  <planetmaker> :-)
20:19:20  <Ammler> is the grfcodec -c worth to mention?
20:19:24  <Ammler> maybe when finished
20:21:01  <Ammler> well, from my side, it is fine
20:21:36  <Ammler> the Chinese guy is missing in the readme credits
20:21:47  <Ammler> but that is my fault :-P
20:22:05  <planetmaker> grfcodec -c is not yet used. That sprites were fixed is mentioned
20:22:18  <planetmaker> hm... We add him straight then :-)
20:22:23  <planetmaker> or rather: you ;-)
20:22:36  <Ammler> yes, we do it for 0.2.5 or 0.3
20:22:37  <planetmaker> I'll push
20:22:49  <planetmaker> done
20:22:54  <Ammler> I will ask for realname first
20:22:57  <planetmaker> now you can add him ;-)
20:23:29  <Ammler> did you bananas already
20:23:34  <planetmaker> no
20:23:42  <Ammler> and then Rubidium could mirror it :-)
20:23:49  <planetmaker> That's the last thing as it's the absolute point of no return ;-)
20:24:47  <planetmaker> Rubidium: are you here to trigger the sync?
20:25:05  <planetmaker> otherwise I'd wait with bananas...
20:25:45  <Rubidium> in about half an hour I am (I think)
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20:26:09  <Ammler> planetmaker: I would skip the word "released"
20:26:18  <planetmaker> ok, then I'll wait 15 minutes as it'll also need time to upload :-)
20:26:26  <planetmaker> Ammler: in the changelog?
20:26:27  <planetmaker> hm
20:26:32  <Ammler> he, what does that matter?
20:26:38  <planetmaker> nothing, I guess
20:26:47  <Ammler> I mean the bananas and mirror
20:26:57  <planetmaker> Feel free to change it :-) Might be nicer
20:27:02  <planetmaker> Ammler: the traffic
20:27:12  <Ammler> that is no issue
20:27:38  <planetmaker> Ehm... that's the point of the mirrors?
20:27:56  <Ammler> bananas has nothing to do with that
20:28:08  <Ammler> those are mirrored independent
20:28:35  <planetmaker> ?
20:28:47  <Ammler> you can upload to bananas
20:29:10  <Ammler> you don't influence the download pages
20:30:40  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Revision 447: Added tag 0.2.4 for changeset 665557e00b14 <> || OpenGFX - Revision 446: Doc: Update changelog to OpenGFX 0.2.4 <>
20:40:03  <Ammler> planetmaker: you should not let the mirrors depend your release, rather those should depend from you
20:41:18  <planetmaker> I don't find it too troublesome to follow the kind request that I should notify so that the base sets could get mirrored...
20:41:21  <Ammler> well, it is your task, I wouldn't care
20:41:37  <Ammler> yes, notify is fine
20:41:54  <Ammler> but waiting until the mirrors are fine is waste of time.
20:42:39  <Ammler> you can't expect, Rubidium is always around, when you have time to make a release
20:43:47  <planetmaker> I know
20:44:23  <Ammler> there is no issue, if the mirror has an older version than bananas, imo.
20:45:43  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - OpenGFX 0.2.4 released <>
20:46:30  <planetmaker> nice, bananas also accepts bz2 :-)
20:50:50  <Rubidium> syncing the mirrors
20:51:07  <planetmaker> :-)
20:51:12  <planetmaker> one download so far :-P
20:53:41  <Rubidium>
20:57:53  <planetmaker> hm... what is ...-any and ...-all?
20:58:21  <planetmaker> synonymous for -all, that is binary?
20:58:51  <Rubidium> -any is because it couldn't find an appropriate "platform"
20:59:02  <Rubidium> -any just shows all binaries
20:59:17  <Rubidium> the is a binary for all platforms
20:59:49  <Ammler> like noarch
21:00:01  <Rubidium> yeah
21:00:31  <planetmaker> ah. Thanks
21:00:43  <planetmaker> <-- that page says, btw, that 0.2.3 is the latest ;-)
21:01:29  <Rubidium> <- has -any too, but it choses a platform before that (unless you're on macosx I think)
21:01:38  <Rubidium> planetmaker: sounds like a (small) bug
21:01:53  <Rubidium> or the website not being synced with finger yet
21:02:03  <planetmaker> not quite important, yes :-)
21:02:18  <planetmaker> the download-opengfx re-directs properly. The 0.2.4 has the correct string.
21:02:41  <planetmaker> 0.2.2 announces itself as latest. So it's the version which you look at always
21:04:28  <Ammler> <-- same here
21:04:45  <Rubidium> so it's a bug
21:06:45  <Rubidium> oh... looks like it got broken a while ago
21:13:56  <Rubidium> now you should be happy
21:15:52  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FISH - Bug #909 (Closed): Compilation not working in recent revisions <" target="_blank">> || FISH - Bug #909 (Closed): Compilation not working in recent revisions <>
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21:22:19  <planetmaker> :-)
21:23:48  <Ammler> hmm, I guess, there is no automatic handling for doublicates and such
21:27:44  <Ammler>
21:27:45  <Webster> Title: Redmine - FAQ - Redmine (at
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