Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 5th May 2010:
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06:00:17  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 807: Feature: Additional layouts for Furniture Factory <>
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10:39:12  <Ammler> planetmaker: you should not answer OT in your own threads :-P
10:39:33  <Ammler> that makes it hard to keep out others from doing it.
10:39:44  <planetmaker> hm, where did I do that?
10:39:52  <planetmaker> you mean OpenMSX and the default music?
10:40:01  <Ammler> the whole menu talk is ot in releases
10:40:07  <planetmaker> oh
10:40:45  <planetmaker> I never liked two thread for one project ;-)
10:41:05  <Ammler> maybe move from to development?
10:41:06  <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums • View topic - [OTTD] Graphics Replacement Project - OpenGFX GPL Releases (at
10:41:16  <planetmaker> and the difference between "oh, it's great, thanks for the release" and "nice. But I have an improvement proposal" is quite slippery-slope
10:41:20  <Ammler> planetmaker: well, the split is quite logical
10:41:37  <Ammler> or am I the only one, who sees that?
10:41:40  <planetmaker> it's logical but there's no hard line to draw unless you want to disable comments in release threads
10:42:12  <Ammler> release thread is for bugfixing and comments, but not for development like zeph did
10:42:36  <planetmaker> where's the difference between "bug fixing" and "development"?
10:43:03  <planetmaker> I find that distinction pretty hard to make
10:43:15  <Ammler> well, then also no bugfixing but bug reporting :-)
10:43:44  <planetmaker> hm. Maybe, yeah
10:44:14  <Ammler> well, it was mainly you, who introduced those release threads :-P
10:45:18  <Ammler> I think those useful for annoucements and comments
10:48:00  <Ammler> also there was already a discussion about the menu bar on dev
10:48:01  <planetmaker> :-D
10:48:07  <planetmaker> Yes there was
10:49:53  <planetmaker> <-- hm... looks quite nice :-)
10:49:54  <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums • View topic - [8bpp] Graphics Replacement Project - OpenGFX (at
10:50:05  <planetmaker> it's the 32bpp thingy, is it?
10:50:20  <planetmaker> Maybe I'll convert some of that stuff to 8bpp
10:51:28  <planetmaker>
10:51:29  <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums • View topic - [8bpp] Graphics Replacement Project - OpenGFX (at
10:51:31  <planetmaker> sorry ^
10:52:11  <planetmaker> I like the info icon, too :-)
10:53:30  <Ammler> you can't mix, I fear
10:53:37  <planetmaker> why not?
10:53:40  <planetmaker> too different style?
10:53:46  <Ammler> not?
10:56:07  <planetmaker> partially they're quite different.
10:56:20  <planetmaker> but some could also fit the other, I think
10:56:26  <planetmaker> hm...
10:59:52  <Ammler>
10:59:53  <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums • View topic - [8bpp] Graphics Replacement Project - OpenGFX (at
11:00:42  <Ammler> actually, no idea, why we never coded it
11:00:53  <planetmaker> lazyness I presume
11:01:11  <planetmaker> and more urgent things back then: the missing sprites
11:01:57  <Ammler> there is no ticket about :-)
11:04:09  <planetmaker> will you make one? :-)
11:18:55  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Feature #922 (New): menu bar: save/load and statistics <>
11:31:08  <planetmaker> :-)
12:09:44  * Hirundo calculates how much of his money has just been sent into /dev/null aka greece
12:11:27  <ODM> too much
12:13:50  <Hirundo> The bad thing is that the loans are junior compared to old bonds, so basically it's a write-off
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15:53:43  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: #openttdcoop - Bug #919 (Closed): Empty Logs <>
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16:18:34  <Brot6> 32bpp-extra: update from r31 to r32 done (0 errors) -
16:19:02  <Brot6> firs: update from r800 to r807 done (1 errors) -
16:19:04  <Brot6> worldairlineset: no commit since last failed compile, compile skipped (r637)
16:19:04  <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a update: 2cctrainset (r516), airportsplus (r48), bros (r10), comic-houses (r69), fish (r360), heqs (r318), nmts (r15), nutracks (r59), opengfx (r453), openmsx (r49), opensfx (r88), snowlinemod (r10)
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18:16:07  <DJNekkid> hey KenjiE20 ...
18:16:20  <DJNekkid> you are a webmin user, right? :P
18:35:18  <KenjiE20> yups
18:35:44  <andythenorth> evening
18:42:53  <DJNekkid> i've tried to install a module on webmin, but it gets "hidden" after installation
18:43:16  <DJNekkid> or to be exact
18:43:19  <DJNekkid> vsftpd module
18:43:30  <DJNekkid> any idea on how i can unhide it?
18:46:30  <KenjiE20> hidden how exactly?
18:47:40  <DJNekkid> firstly, it were told that it were hidden when it were installed via webmin config -> webmin modules
18:47:53  <DJNekkid> secondly, it dont show in any of the lists to the left
18:48:00  <DJNekkid> (webmin 1.510)
18:48:55  <KenjiE20> what about "un-used modules"?
18:50:11  <DJNekkid> not there either
18:51:36  <KenjiE20> strange v1.3 added fine for me
18:52:03  <DJNekkid> 1.3 of what? :)
18:52:11  <KenjiE20> vsftpd module
18:52:36  <Ammler> how can someone install ftp nowaday :-)
18:53:04  <KenjiE20> "you are a webmin user, right? :P " <--- not FTP
18:53:18  <KenjiE20> just the admin module
18:53:34  <DJNekkid> i took that verson 1.4
18:53:54  <DJNekkid> but 1.3 works ...
18:53:55  <DJNekkid> hmm
18:54:00  <KenjiE20> erm... "VSFTPd Feature for Virtualmin"
18:54:00  <DJNekkid> me-is-st00pid
18:54:08  <KenjiE20> virtualmin != awebmin
18:54:11  <KenjiE20> -a
18:54:22  <Ammler> use sftp :-)
18:54:43  <DJNekkid> everything-i-do-is-wrong? :P
18:55:10  <Ammler> almost, ineed :-)
18:55:17  <Ammler> d*
18:55:31  <Ammler> you are too much affected from windows :-)
18:55:55  <DJNekkid> hehe... possibly
18:56:14  <DJNekkid> but i did a quick search ... "ftp server linux" and vsftpd were the first to pop up :)
18:56:39  <Ammler> why do you need ftp?
18:57:18  <DJNekkid> a friend of mine cant seem to connect via windows sharing, and he wants to snatch an occational mp3
18:57:26  <DJNekkid> and i cant get apache to redirect to my music folder
18:57:31  <DJNekkid> so i thought ftp might work
18:57:57  <Ammler> why not trying to fix apache :-)
18:58:22  <DJNekkid> tried and failed :)
18:59:01  <DJNekkid> useing both webmin GUI and the "built in" centos gui
18:59:30  <Ammler> why does it fail?
18:59:48  <DJNekkid>
19:00:03  <DJNekkid> _should_ be sent to /lager/pub/musikk
19:00:27  <DJNekkid> but all i get is a google search ish page
19:01:11  <Ammler> how do you "redirect"?
19:01:35  <Ammler> I would make a symple symlink
19:01:51  <Ammler> and maybe add .htaccess so you can restrict access
19:02:11  <Ammler> simple*
19:02:43  <Ammler> calling the ip tells that apache works :-)
19:03:25  <DJNekkid>
19:03:54  <Ammler> remove servername
19:04:23  <Ammler> or add a dyndns
19:05:52  <DJNekkid> removed servername
19:06:02  <DJNekkid> and httpd -k restart
19:06:34  <Ammler> you need to define a host, if you like to use virtualhost :-)
19:06:47  <Ammler> or just do like I said
19:08:27  <DJNekkid> dyndns?
19:08:36  <Ammler> for example, yes
19:09:10  <DJNekkid> but how would that help me? unless we are speaking of two different things
19:09:23  <DJNekkid> i do have a static IP anyway
19:09:45  <Ammler> yes, and what is the difference to a dynmic ip?
19:10:00  <Ammler> but AGAIN, you could also simple symlink it
19:10:21  <DJNekkid> then i need to go google symlink :P
19:10:31  <Ammler> ln -s src dest
19:10:59  <Ammler> and in .htaccess options +FollowSymLinks
19:11:33  <DJNekkid> and this i would do in /var/www ?
19:11:54  <Ammler> yes, where that testpage is saved
19:12:35  <Ammler> ln -s /lager/pub/musikk
19:12:47  <DJNekkid> yup
19:14:43  <Ammler> is also a source for free domains
19:15:07  <DJNekkid> and another stupid question ... where would .htaccess be found?
19:15:11  <DJNekkid> in ~ ?
19:15:16  <Ammler> no
19:15:24  <Ammler> same location as you like to configure
19:15:35  <Ammler> or you add the rules to the config
19:17:12  <DJNekkid> Syntax error on line 1047 of /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf:
19:17:12  <DJNekkid> Invalid command '+FollowSymLinks', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration
19:18:04  <Ammler> Options
19:18:36  <DJNekkid> <options>
19:18:40  <DJNekkid> +follow...
19:18:42  <Ammler> no
19:18:45  <DJNekkid> </options> ?
19:18:48  <Ammler> Options
19:18:57  <Ammler> you could paste a bit more
19:19:14  <Ammler> just search for Options in the file
19:21:24  <KenjiE20> you've got webmin
19:21:27  <KenjiE20> use it :P
19:21:47  <KenjiE20> it's in document options, for the server (default or virtual)
19:23:43  <Ammler> indeed :-)
19:25:26  <DJNekkid> ta-da :D
19:25:29  <DJNekkid> thanx so much!
19:26:55  <Ammler> doesn't work
19:27:41  <KenjiE20> lol, redirects to
19:28:33  <Ammler> you should remove the virtualhost
19:28:47  <DJNekkid> its removed :)
19:29:12  <DJNekkid> but, it works from "the inside" (i.e. 192.168....../musikk)
19:31:34  <Ammler> you removed only servername, not the whole virtualhost entry
19:31:48  <DJNekkid> but i did that as wel :)
19:32:04  <KenjiE20> tbh, you probably could've fixed SAMBA by now
19:32:16  <DJNekkid> samba works for me
19:32:20  <DJNekkid> and for everyone else
19:32:22  <DJNekkid> but not for that dude
19:32:24  <DJNekkid> plus
19:32:30  <KenjiE20> workgroup?
19:32:36  <KenjiE20> just \server
19:32:44  <DJNekkid> i know
19:32:48  <KenjiE20> and it'll access regardless
19:32:48  <DJNekkid> try
19:32:52  <DJNekkid> \
19:32:55  <DJNekkid> and it will pop up
19:33:10  <KenjiE20> yea, I doubt you have samba ports forwarded
19:33:18  <DJNekkid> try me
19:33:36  <KenjiE20> lol
19:33:54  <DJNekkid> user/pwd box pop up, right?
19:33:55  <KenjiE20> does everyone but him have windows passwords?
19:34:07  <DJNekkid> i have no idea
19:34:19  <KenjiE20> meh, easy fix, set the share level to shares not users
19:34:20  <DJNekkid> i can do it from work, from my mobile workspace, from my parents house,
19:34:30  <Ammler> samba works
19:34:42  <Ammler> but I have no idea, how trustful that is.
19:34:51  <Ammler> http works too
19:35:05  <Ammler> just needs a trailing /
19:35:27  <DJNekkid> safter to use http for some random shareing anyway
19:35:31  <Ammler> you should close that :-)
19:35:36  <DJNekkid> and i can set up a playlist...
19:35:40  <DJNekkid> i.e.
19:35:44  <Ammler> well, at least restrict with .htaccess
19:35:45  <DJNekkid> m3u or .pls
19:36:24  <Ammler> or make a cryptic foldername
19:36:43  <Ammler> or is that all "free" music?
19:37:18  <DJNekkid> its my personal collection
19:38:09  <Ammler> is there also music for my taste?
19:38:11  <Ammler> :-)
19:38:21  <DJNekkid> if you like house music :)
19:38:47  <Ammler> no country and such?
19:38:54  <DJNekkid> no country and such
19:39:00  <Ammler> :'-(
19:39:35  <DJNekkid> are there any command to put all filenames into a file?
19:39:46  <Ammler> he?
19:39:51  <Ammler> rename?
19:39:58  <DJNekkid> perhaps something like
19:40:02  <DJNekkid> ls >file
19:40:12  <Ammler> find > file
19:40:16  <KenjiE20> find . -type f -more things > blah
19:40:30  <KenjiE20> I had a script to build a m3u out of vid clips
19:40:40  <KenjiE20> I could mod for music if you want
19:40:47  <DJNekkid> sure!
19:41:06  <DJNekkid> and put infront of all filenames? :P
19:41:07  <Webster> Title: Index of /musikk (at
19:41:23  <KenjiE20> hehe ^ that deffo works now
19:41:36  <DJNekkid> seems so :D
19:41:52  <DJNekkid> and google probably know about it around tomorrow :)
19:42:35  <KenjiE20> robots.txt
19:42:38  <KenjiE20> google for it
19:42:47  <Ammler> DJNekkid: register a dns
19:42:51  <KenjiE20> also extensions? mp3 and ogg?
19:43:04  <DJNekkid> mp3 is fine
19:43:16  <DJNekkid> ? :P
19:43:32  <Ammler> or example
19:43:48  <DJNekkid> ?
19:43:57  <Ammler> or buy a real domain, indeed
19:44:07  <Ammler> is from
19:44:27  <Ammler> and yes, dyndns is also for static ips :-P
19:44:48  <Ammler> @logs
19:44:48  <Webster> Logs:
19:45:54  <KenjiE20> it builds relative urls so it should work regardless of position
19:45:54  <DJNekkid> would cost me 140kr per year...
19:45:56  <KenjiE20>
19:46:01  <KenjiE20> it's not elegant, but it works
19:46:06  <DJNekkid> 15e ish
19:46:26  <KenjiE20> obv. you can mod dir and pls
19:46:51  <KenjiE20> dir should be wherever the script is
19:47:18  <Ammler> .no seems expensive
19:48:10  <Ammler> oh, 14€ is like .ch
19:50:33  <Ammler> but .no is nice as .com is occupied
19:50:44  <DJNekkid> some placeholder it seems
19:50:47  <DJNekkid> but nn...
19:50:49  <DJNekkid> thanx for help
19:50:53  <DJNekkid> gotta watch "V"
19:50:56  <DJNekkid> nice series :)
20:16:47  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 808: Feature: Spanish translation. <>
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20:48:03  <DJNekkid> find: paths must precede expression
20:48:03  <DJNekkid> Usage: find [-H] [-L] [-P] [path...] [expression]
20:49:08  <DJNekkid> changed /home/kenji to /lager/pub/musikk tho
20:57:41  <KenjiE20> hm?
21:02:43  <KenjiE20> DJNekkid: did you save the file with windows?
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21:04:58  <DJNekkid> KenjiE20: no
21:04:59  <DJNekkid> linux
21:05:06  <DJNekkid> and chmod +x' it
21:05:11  <KenjiE20> strange
21:05:44  <KenjiE20> you changed to dir="/lager/pub/musikk"
21:05:51  <DJNekkid> yup
21:05:57  <DJNekkid> the only change
21:06:16  <KenjiE20> what shell?
21:06:32  <KenjiE20> I presumed bash, but...
21:06:41  <DJNekkid> ehm...
21:06:45  <DJNekkid> terminal? :P
21:07:00  <DJNekkid> applications -> Terminal :)
21:07:09  <DJNekkid> on what seems to be Gnome
21:07:09  <KenjiE20> shell, not terminal :P
21:07:41  <DJNekkid> ehm ... i dunno?
21:07:42  <KenjiE20> $ export | grep SHELL
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21:08:18  <DJNekkid> [thomas@localhost musikk]$ export | grep SHELL
21:08:18  <DJNekkid> declare -x SHELL="/bin/bash"
21:10:05  <KenjiE20> weird, works fine here
21:10:49  <DJNekkid>
21:10:55  <DJNekkid> thats the file
21:12:27  <KenjiE20> hmmm, try removing the indents?
21:13:10  <DJNekkid> i did a test:
21:13:14  <DJNekkid> find $dir -type f -iname *.ogg -print >> /tmp/vid works
21:13:21  <DJNekkid> find $dir -type f -iname *.mp3 -print >> /tmp/vid
21:13:22  <DJNekkid> dont
21:13:39  <DJNekkid> (replaced $dir with ./ and dit it directly in the commandline)
21:14:50  <KenjiE20> works here, must be something local
21:15:43  <DJNekkid> it dont seem to like the '3' in mp3
21:16:34  <KenjiE20> okay, try -iname "*.mp3"
21:16:58  <DJNekkid> works like a charm
21:17:04  <KenjiE20> \o/
21:19:26  <DJNekkid> yea
21:19:28  <KenjiE20> be forewarned, massive playlists can/will blog some players down on load
21:19:41  <KenjiE20> but other than that
21:19:54  <DJNekkid> its not THAT many tunes
21:20:05  <DJNekkid> i had a playlist with 30k songs once
21:20:07  <DJNekkid> no problem
21:20:12  <DJNekkid> this isnt near that
21:20:21  <KenjiE20> I did plan to rewrite it / port it to python, with sub dir playlists
21:21:12  <DJNekkid> but what i would like, for it to add "" infront of everything :)
21:23:16  <KenjiE20> it build relative, shouldn't need to
21:25:02  <KenjiE20> but if you like replace the sed line to "sed 's/^'$quotedir'\//http:\/\/\/musikk/' /tmp/vid2 > /tmp/vid"
21:25:12  <KenjiE20> oh wait
21:25:20  <KenjiE20> "sed 's/^'$quotedir'\//http:\/\/\/musikkz//' /tmp/vid2 > /tmp/vid"
21:25:24  <KenjiE20> "sed 's/^'$quotedir'\//http:\/\/\/musikkz\//' /tmp/vid2 > /tmp/vid"
21:25:26  <KenjiE20> grr
21:25:30  <KenjiE20> that last one :P
21:26:54  <KenjiE20> hm, a z got in there too
21:26:57  <KenjiE20> bah
21:27:00  <Ammler> I would use another escape char, if / is one of the chars, like s|...|...|
21:27:13  <KenjiE20> meh
21:27:41  <DJNekkid> i noticed the z, and removed it :)
21:29:59  <DJNekkid> not that winamp actually wants to play it...
21:30:51  <DJNekkid> but that might be winamps problem
21:31:54  <KenjiE20> winamp /should/ do http file streaming
21:31:58  <KenjiE20> but winamp is winamp
21:32:04  <DJNekkid> i know winamp does
21:32:11  <DJNekkid> unless that have changed over the years
21:32:26  * KenjiE20 hasn't used winamp since..... 5
21:33:08  <Ammler> doesn't work here either
21:33:17  <Ammler> are you sure, the mp3 list has right format?
21:33:30  <KenjiE20> it's worked for me before fine
21:33:35  <KenjiE20> m3u is a list of files
21:33:41  <KenjiE20> nothing more
21:33:43  <DJNekkid> because its currently is set to 192.168.1.bleh and not 83...
21:34:15  <Ammler> ah, indeed :-)
21:34:22  <Ammler> another reason for domain :-)
21:34:29  <DJNekkid> one last problem
21:34:38  <KenjiE20> I know MPC:HC opens and plays the relative m3u without issue
21:34:38  <DJNekkid> all spaces probably needs to be %20 :)
21:34:45  <KenjiE20> yea probably
21:35:05  <KenjiE20> though apache might resolve that for you
21:35:07  <DJNekkid> tr -s <whatever-space-is> %20 <file >file ?
21:35:07  <KenjiE20> dunno
21:35:19  <KenjiE20> \s <- whitespace
21:35:22  <Ammler> just replace spaces with dots
21:35:38  <KenjiE20> Ammler: that'd mean renaming all his files
21:35:38  <Ammler> spaces are bad anyway
21:35:44  <KenjiE20> which sucks
21:35:48  <Ammler> KenjiE20: Yes, very recommend
21:35:50  <DJNekkid> KenjiE20: thanx :)
21:36:04  <DJNekkid> Ammler: no way
21:36:13  <KenjiE20> DJNekkid: all working now?
21:37:17  <DJNekkid> just need to "tr" it first :)
21:37:38  <KenjiE20> add it into the script after te sed line
21:37:41  <KenjiE20> the*
21:37:44  <Ammler> but then, you need to do that every time again
21:38:00  <Ammler> else you fix the list once
21:38:24  <DJNekkid> hmm
21:38:33  <DJNekkid> that made all n's become a %
21:38:58  <DJNekkid> tr -s \s %20 <in >out
21:39:03  <Ammler> he, my mp3 list has also a lot of spaces :-)
21:39:10  <KenjiE20> hah
21:39:24  <DJNekkid> burn`
21:39:25  <DJNekkid> ?
21:39:34  <KenjiE20> DJNekkid: try [:blank:] instead?
21:40:11  <KenjiE20> apparently \s isn't in tr
21:40:24  <Ammler> tr ' ' %20
21:41:19  <DJNekkid> hmm
21:41:34  <DJNekkid> apparenly can tr only replace one char
21:41:39  <Ammler> yes :-)
21:41:47  <DJNekkid> or ... a number of chars for anumber of chars
21:42:33  <DJNekkid> sed \s %20 <in >out ? then?
21:42:42  <Ammler> sed "s| |%20|g"
21:48:31  <DJNekkid> aye
21:49:01  <Ammler> you might not need to do that at all
21:49:11  <Ammler> there are other chars like &
21:49:24  <DJNekkid>
21:52:49  <Ammler> still internal address
21:57:22  <DJNekkid> try now
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22:06:35  <Ammler> works :-)
22:06:44  <Ammler> it isn't just house?
22:08:02  <Ammler> hmm, your mp3 don't have tags?
22:08:08  <Ammler> oh
22:08:10  <Ammler> lags
22:10:24  <Ammler> I would try without the space replacement
22:13:15  <Ammler> DJNekkid: on the logs, you can read, who does listen to what :-)
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