Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 29th June 2010:
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00:06:00  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Revision 559:93e2cee4f8fa: Fix: SM4 and TGV duplex slight alignmentbug (DJNekkid) @
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07:05:33  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Bug #1034 (Closed): handling of new lines in strings (planetmaker) @
07:46:05  <Brot6> OpenMSX - Revision 71:c4af5c802117: Change: License is now only GPL v2+ (planetmaker) @
07:46:05  <Brot6> OpenMSX - Revision 72:4d78a77a4af6: Fix: Replace broken 'Little Blue Box Car' by TTSong by imuh3 (planetmaker) @
07:46:05  <Brot6> OpenMSX - Revision 73:fe7c8f4376fd: Fix: Replace broken 'Smooth Groove' by TTSong II by imuh3 (planetmaker) @
08:07:38  <planetmaker> Ammler, why does openmsx not have the readme copied to bundles? Isn't copying the readme a default setting?
08:08:51  <Ammler> not for nightlies
08:08:59  <Ammler> morning all :-)
08:09:21  <Ammler> msx uses grf settings:
08:09:57  <Ammler>
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09:16:47  <planetmaker> But OpenMSX has also no readme in the releases :-)
09:19:32  <Ammler> there is no release yet
09:19:47  <Ammler> well, no release from the new compiler
09:20:41  <planetmaker> :-) Ok. There will be. Maybe today
09:20:52  <Ammler> :-)
09:21:06  <Ammler> release 0.3, if you don't have 1.0 ready :-P
09:21:55  <planetmaker> Well, we do have everything really
09:22:13  <planetmaker> I just hoped imuh3 would answer on the name of his songs.
09:22:23  <planetmaker> But then... let them be ttsong I and ttsong II :-)
09:23:39  <Ammler> then make 1.0-beta
09:24:23  <Ammler> or RC1
09:24:28  <planetmaker> nah.
09:24:32  <Ammler> :-)
09:24:38  <planetmaker> There are a number of songs which need replacement IMHO anyway
09:24:50  <planetmaker> So there's plenty of space for subsequent releases
09:25:32  <Ammler> <-- you never closed 0.2.0, btw. :-)
09:27:01  <Ammler> <-- you might also like to close/reject
09:27:42  <Ammler> it seem to work fine as it is now
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10:23:21  <Brot6> OpenMSX - Bug #759 (Closed): Building 0.1.0 (planetmaker) @
10:25:27  <Brot6> OpenMSX - Feature #791 (Closed): Songs from Tistou Blomberg (planetmaker) @
10:32:15  <Brot6> OpenMSX - Revision 74:32d6fb740fb7: Fix (r71): Also remove the CCSP+ from the license file (planetmaker) @
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11:34:51  <planetmaker> <Ammler> then make 1.0-beta <-- I don't like it, if the beta is used more than the 1.0 - which I fear would then be the case :-)
11:36:30  <Ammler> hehe
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12:50:47  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 516:57bde5af55d4: Doc: Properties for ships and cargo classes (planetmaker) @
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15:28:30  <PeterT> Ammler:
15:28:40  <PeterT> it doesn't start with IRC, but tcllib is installed
15:35:13  <Brot6> OpenMSX - Revision 75:59167c3fd3bb: Change: Update changelog for 1.0.0 (planetmaker) @
15:35:22  <Ammler> " can't find package irc" <-- tells something else
15:35:39  <Ammler> how you know, tcllib is installed?
15:35:54  <welshdragon> Ammler: moment:
15:36:09  <welshdragon>
15:36:48  <Ammler> welshdragon, yes, no tcllib
15:36:53  <welshdragon> Ammler: doesn't matter
15:37:01  <welshdragon> Narcissus installed iy
15:37:04  <welshdragon> *it
15:37:08  <welshdragon> and IT LIVES
15:37:41  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 517:e9204fc3fc17: Doc: Properties for aircraft (planetmaker) @
15:37:42  <Ammler> tcllib is missing in Centos, I have a package for it in my repo, if you need
15:38:02  <PeterT> we got it, thanks for the offer though
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16:19:06  <Brot6> 2cctrainset: update from r557 to r559 done (1 errors) -
16:19:33  <Brot6> newgrf_makefile: update from  to r104 done -
16:20:30  <Brot6> nml: update from r514 to r517 done -
16:20:56  <Brot6> openmsx: update from r70 to r75 done -
16:21:40  <Brot6> swedishrails: update from r98 to r102 done -
16:21:43  <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 32bpp-extra (r36), airportsplus (r50), bros (r12), comic-houses (r70), firs (r1011), fish (r375), heqs (r320), nmts (r16), nutracks (r79), ogfxplus (r32), opengfx (r461), opensfx (r94), snowlinemod (r12), worldairlinersset (r646)
16:31:19  <Brot6> OpenMSX - Revision 76:4da4354f4da0: Change: [Makefile] Update to makefile version r102 (planetmaker) @
16:39:09  <Brot6> OpenMSX - Revision 76:4da4354f4da0: Change: [Makefile] Update to makefile version r102 (planetmaker) @
16:39:09  <Brot6> OpenMSX - Revision 77:60d48f1bcede: Fix (r76): Don't use the newgrf dir, but gm dir as default in... (planetmaker) @
16:44:12  <Brot6> World Airliners Set - Revision 647:58b5732dacc5: Fixed 773 Alignment Errors and capacity error (FaddyPainter) @
16:46:32  <Brot6> World Airliners Set - Feature #178 (Closed): (Scheme) A380-800 Qantas (FaddyPainter) @
16:48:33  <Brot6> World Airliners Set - Feature #171: Fix Eoin's Flyglobespan 737-800 (FaddyPainter) @
16:52:00  <PeterT> Ammler: is it possible to make ap+ bind to an address when connecting to IRC?
17:04:16  <planetmaker> Rubidium: I just noticed that OpenMSX will need newly translated ingame descriptions. If you want to add / change anything wrt the other base sets translations, please feel free to modify my posting
17:04:22  <planetmaker> <-- Rubidium
17:04:24  <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums • View topic - Translation of base sets (at
17:04:43  <planetmaker> I basically re-used your intial posting there
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17:31:15  <Ammler> PeterT: yes, it is
17:31:36  <PeterT> Ammler: how so?
17:31:49  <PeterT> I didn't see a config entry, but then again I may just have missed it
17:32:26  <Ammler> yes, irc_bind-something
17:33:43  <PeterT> I don't see it, do you?
17:34:24  <PeterT> I  Ctrl-F'd for "bind" throughout all of Openttd.cfg
17:34:28  <PeterT> and only one place
17:34:33  <PeterT> "server_bind_addresses"
17:34:37  <PeterT> but nothing for ap+
17:35:17  <Ammler> hmm, there is
17:35:26  <Ammler> why don't you use xShunter?
17:36:55  <Ammler> irc_bind_ip
17:37:20  <Ammler> maybe not documented :-P
17:39:49  <PeterT> Ammler: this is for welshdragon
17:39:58  <PeterT> Ammler: not documented, maybe, but it's not even in the config :p
17:44:36  <PeterT> Ammler: ok, it doesn't work
17:45:04  <PeterT> I added irc_bind_ip = to the config, then reloaded IRC
17:45:17  <PeterT> oh wait, mabye ap+ needs to reload the config D:
17:45:44  <PeterT> sorry, now it works ;-)
17:47:40  <Brot6> Autopilot - Bug #1046 (New): irc_bind_ip is not in the example config (petert) @
19:01:21  <Brot6> World Airliners Set - Revision 648:9f1eea8fe5e5: Fixed slight error in A320 manufacturers livery ... (FaddyPainter) @
20:05:14  <Ammler> planetmaker: translation might be a reason not to drop the license :-)
20:07:23  <Ammler> hmm, if you run another base set translation run, might also be a good time to remove the link to
20:11:12  <Ammler> or maybe we could ask Truebrain to test WT branch for the base sets?
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21:12:14  <Rubidium> planetmaker: would you keep track of updated/improved translations in all "base" sets?
21:13:11  <Rubidium> not sure whether there are much changes though
21:14:50  <planetmaker> I'll keep an eye on that. I just thought I'd let you know :-)
21:15:38  <planetmaker> especially as there might be some changes to those strings I cannot commit myself
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21:16:26  <Rubidium> planetmaker: but you're good in making diffs :)
21:16:51  <planetmaker> ah?
21:17:12  <planetmaker> well :-)
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22:19:28  <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Revision 103:86a315cf2ab9: Fix: Alignment of a few undlerlay sprites (planetmaker) @
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23:03:54  <planetmaker> hm.... the gzip of the source of swedishrails is smaller than the grf
23:04:30  <planetmaker> 223kB vs. 302kB
23:05:27  <Yexo> that is unexpected
23:10:38  <Yexo> gzip of the grf is 160kB
23:11:18  <planetmaker> that's the ratio I'd have expected maybe
23:13:02  <planetmaker> it's mostly images and they're cut from the source images... but the rest which is not cut compresses mostly well
23:13:50  <Yexo> even the cut part of the images is compressed
23:14:03  <Yexo> but gzip probably compresses those bits better anyway
23:14:17  <planetmaker> plain white should be nicely compressible :-)
23:15:08  <Yexo> exaclty the same as plain <any other color> :p
23:15:22  <planetmaker> but the grf should at least somewhat compress the sprites, too... at least it's what I assume; I've nowhere defined the 7th real sprite parameter, the compression parameter
23:15:39  <Yexo> it does
23:15:40  <planetmaker> But I assumed that the default is 'compress', so 03 or 09, dunno which anymore
23:15:50  <Yexo> there is a sensible default for the compression parameter
23:16:04  <planetmaker> [01:15]	<Yexo>	exaclty the same as plain <any other color> :p  <-- :-D tested? ;-)
23:16:18  <Yexo> no :)
23:16:28  <Yexo> but since the image is paletted every color is a single byte
23:16:33  <Yexo> s/color/pixel/
23:17:08  <Yexo> and for a general compression algorithm it shouldn't matter if a lot of bytes are 0, 3 or 248
23:17:17  <Yexo> as long as they are the same
23:17:53  <Yexo> in fact all magic blue would probably be even better for gzip as that blue is also part of the normal sprites
23:18:22  <Yexo> nice work on the documentation today :)
23:18:36  <Yexo> I hope to do some work again tomorrow
23:18:38  <Yexo> gn
23:18:50  <planetmaker> good night
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23:24:35  <planetmaker> he, I think Pikka underestimates NML quite a bit and isn't aware of the differences in accessibility between assembler and C
23:26:40  <planetmaker> but I shall not answer at least before tomorrow noon ;-)
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