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01:44:23 <Brot6> #openttdcoop - Revision 88:763351e7f777: [Compiler] Change: create a diff to previous build inste... (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/home/repository/revisions/763351e7f777 06:23:10 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 06:46:31 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:19:55 *** Alberth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:13:28 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:32:15 <planetmaker> Ammler: Alberth : the commit hook needs adjustment again. 08:32:28 <planetmaker> It doesn't swallow "Change [#1036]: Use the Swedish order of colours for level crossings" 08:32:42 <Alberth> Codechange [#1036]: ? 08:32:59 <Alberth> hmm, it is not a code change of course 08:33:00 <planetmaker> Change should suffice. 08:33:31 <planetmaker> and the message tells me also that change should suffice 08:33:34 <Alberth> well, I don't have access to hooks at the system (nor do I desire to have that :) ) 08:34:25 <Alberth> but it should be a simple configuration issue 08:48:41 <Alberth> planetmaker: no, your message is wrong, it should be "Change #1036: Use the Swedish order of colours for level crossings" 08:49:08 <planetmaker> ? 08:49:16 <Alberth> the RE looks a bit weird with "Added\ tag" though 08:49:24 <planetmaker> issues were always referenced with square brackets... 08:49:54 <planetmaker> IMHO the RE is wrong 08:50:10 <Alberth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/home/repository/revisions/e404092028ff/entry/mercurial/hooks/repo_checks.ini <-- no [] in there 08:50:17 <planetmaker> yes, I see that. 08:50:20 <planetmaker> It's a bug there 08:50:41 <planetmaker> *sigh* 08:51:04 <Alberth> I think there were problems with the RM auto-issue stuff 08:51:25 <planetmaker> I'm quite sure it worked before 08:51:49 <planetmaker> it's not the first of that type of commit messages afair 08:52:03 <planetmaker> but... well 08:55:01 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/452 and http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/905 show that it actually worked that way (the place the colon is situated should not matter) 08:55:36 <planetmaker> though the hook could probably enforce it the other way around 09:07:52 <planetmaker> Alberth: I'm doing something terribly wrong... and I fail to see where. I cannot clone anymore any repo: 09:08:22 <planetmaker> http://pastebin.org/389247 <-- any idea? 09:09:24 <Alberth> the first line starts a bit weird, but that is a paste error? 09:10:48 <planetmaker> kinda. It's the command I gave without the bash prompt 09:11:13 <planetmaker> and yes... there's some display error which I copied 09:11:30 <Ammler> we agreed, that [] isn't allowed anymore :-) 09:11:39 <planetmaker> did we? Why? 09:11:51 <Ammler> because the autoclose doesn't work with it 09:12:04 <planetmaker> I don't want it closed. Just referenced 09:12:04 <Ammler> good morning :-) 09:12:06 <planetmaker> And that worked 09:12:10 <Ammler> yes 09:12:22 <Ammler> but that wouldn't be consistent 09:12:34 <planetmaker> eh? 09:12:47 <Ammler> nvm, just don't use [] anymore :-) 09:13:02 <Ammler> or setup a custom ini for your repo 09:13:36 <Alberth> Ammler: I was thinking that too, but it needs project customaization of the RM auto-issue prefixes 09:13:59 <planetmaker> Ammler: ... ok, I customize all repos then? 09:14:30 <Ammler> planetmaker: no 09:14:42 <Ammler> just those, you are alone :-) 09:14:49 <planetmaker> nope 09:15:39 <planetmaker> what's the inconsistency you quote? 09:15:41 <Ammler> why wold you like to use [] just sometimes? 09:15:51 <planetmaker> who says sometimes? 09:16:04 <planetmaker> I'd like to use the OpenTTD style 09:16:07 <Ammler> because you can't use those to close 09:16:11 <planetmaker> and using [#issue] is exactly that 09:16:24 <Ammler> yes, but openttd doesn't autoclose 09:16:38 <planetmaker> yes. and [#issue] should not autoclose... 09:16:55 <Ammler> but Fix #issue should 09:17:21 <planetmaker> Fix [#issue] maybe 09:17:35 <Ammler> tell, me how to setup than 09:17:38 <Ammler> that* 09:18:01 <planetmaker> "Fix [" as closing definition? 09:18:03 <Ammler> I am quite suprised, you missed the discussion 09:18:20 <Alberth> Ammler: RM has no per-project close definitions, has it? 09:18:37 <planetmaker> nope 09:18:50 <Ammler> Alberth: what would you like to change per project? 09:18:54 <planetmaker> it's one big global config thing with a moderate comfort interface ;-) 09:18:58 <planetmaker> no RE or alike 09:19:28 <Ammler> the only keyword I don't like there is "Feature" 09:19:28 <Alberth> well, that implies you cannot have several different conventions at the same server at the same time 09:19:45 <Ammler> until now, we didn't need 09:19:56 <Ammler> we mostly agreed on a "style" :-) 09:20:18 <Ammler> [11:17] <planetmaker> "Fix [" as closing definition? <-- that works? 09:20:27 <planetmaker> I don't know 09:20:44 <planetmaker> But it might 09:21:41 <planetmaker> what's the URL of the test repo? 09:21:46 <Ammler> then try it, if it works, change the wiki and the rule, but you should follow our rules, imo. 09:22:00 <Ammler> at least you :-( 09:22:17 <Ammler> test 09:22:18 <planetmaker> I was at no time aware that [#xyz] will be forbidden 09:22:21 <Ammler> or create one 09:22:24 <planetmaker> It was always used. Successfully 09:22:30 <planetmaker> As such it is not my rule 09:22:32 <Ammler> planetmaker: that is not true 09:22:53 <Ammler> we invented it as I after I added "*" as key 09:23:10 <Ammler> well :-) 09:23:40 <Ammler> but undocumented, as our wiki still didn't use those 09:24:09 <Alberth> hmm, colour 100 is barely visible at a brown background :) 09:26:18 <planetmaker> now... why can't I clone anything anymore... :S 09:26:47 <planetmaker> http://pastebin.org/389251 09:27:36 <Ammler> you should run a LANG=C 09:27:45 <planetmaker> what? 09:27:50 <Ammler> before you post error message on a English channel ;-) 09:28:49 <Ammler> do you have some local hooks? 09:29:31 <Ammler> works fine here 09:29:32 <planetmaker> hm, yes :-) 09:29:52 <planetmaker> I added the hook of the server here. somewhat wrongly 09:30:00 <planetmaker> stupid hooks 09:30:31 <Ammler> you should run it on commit locally 09:30:46 <planetmaker> yes. obviously it blocked me... 09:30:47 <Ammler> the doc should tell you 09:31:02 <planetmaker> ok, can you disable all hooks for the test repo? 09:31:08 <planetmaker> I have no idea where and how 09:31:19 <planetmaker> I still don't know how to disable them 09:31:26 <planetmaker> and I start to dispise them 09:31:37 <planetmaker> and they're active by default :-( 09:31:40 <Ammler> pretxnchangegroup.check = 09:31:45 <planetmaker> where? 09:31:57 <Ammler> in .hg/hgrc 09:32:05 <planetmaker> even though the repos don#t have it? 09:32:18 <planetmaker> so I need to create it everywhere? 09:32:23 <Ammler> yes, usually, they don't 09:32:25 <planetmaker> on the server? via ssh only? 09:32:29 <Ammler> yes 09:32:34 <Alberth> ~/.hgrc 09:32:36 <planetmaker> nice 09:32:42 <Ammler> or you change the custom ini 09:33:07 <Ammler> I am quite disapointed about your reaction to the hook 09:33:19 <Ammler> it was a quite nice work of Alberth. 09:33:34 <planetmaker> it's now the 3rd time it blocks me committing with a perfectly valid commit message :-( 09:33:44 <Ammler> [] isn't valied 09:33:47 <Ammler> -e 09:33:55 <planetmaker> and what makes me bad about it, is that I didn't see how to change it and make it work 09:34:01 <planetmaker> and yes, I do thing [] is valid 09:34:18 <Ammler> then please update the wiki and the redmine settings 09:34:20 <planetmaker> *think 09:35:37 <Ammler> and don't blame the hook for your selfish thinking :-P 09:36:38 <Ammler> I start on thinking, we should change the global hook setting to allow every kind of message 09:36:40 <planetmaker> I don't 09:36:55 <planetmaker> maybe 09:37:20 <planetmaker> though if it accepts proper style messages, it's not needed 09:37:50 <Ammler> anyway, if we do that, you should still respect the commit rules we setup ;-) 09:38:44 <Ammler> @logs 09:38:44 <Webster> Logs: http://hyru.ath.cx:60080/~kenji/ottdcoop/ 09:39:26 <Ammler> custom ini: .devzone/hooks/repo_checks.ini 09:40:25 <planetmaker> Ammler: you. Not 'we' 09:40:31 <Ammler> no sorry 09:40:31 <planetmaker> that makes a big difference IMHO 09:40:56 <Ammler> we agreed on the change here, introduction of [] was from you 09:41:20 <Ammler> that is why I wonder, you missed that 09:41:41 <Ammler> [] was never in the wiki 09:41:50 <Ammler> (until I added it) 09:42:01 <planetmaker> [] was used since the beginning 09:42:05 <Ammler> a day before we discussed that here and I removed it again 09:42:20 <Ammler> planetmaker: show me please a commit from beginning with those 09:42:45 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/452 and http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/905 show that it actually worked that way (the place the colon is situated should not matter) <-- maybe not beginning 09:42:47 <planetmaker> still 09:43:06 <Ammler> it does reference because I added "*" 09:43:24 <planetmaker> it closed 09:44:05 <Ammler> hmm 09:45:21 <planetmaker> and btw, you even used that style yourself. See your issue #669 commits to OpenGFX 09:45:45 <planetmaker> where it actually was quite advantageous that even Fix [#issue] didn't close... 09:45:45 <Ammler> yes 09:46:15 <Ammler> I said, we introduced it undocumented until some complained about missing docs 09:46:24 <Ammler> then I added it to the docs 09:46:34 <planetmaker> and now it's removed again 09:46:50 <Ammler> yep 09:47:52 <Ammler> wiki should have history 09:48:27 <planetmaker> we could just disable auto-close 09:49:18 <Ammler> you can, just use [] for your tickets :-P 09:50:08 <planetmaker> I'm laughing 09:50:17 <Ammler> you don't :-) 09:51:11 <Ammler> well, I do not care that much about it at all, just respect the rules 09:51:27 <Ammler> so we can adjust the global ini 09:51:48 <Ammler> discuss it with the others, when they are around. 09:55:10 <planetmaker> so... I know two people who want that badly. I've not heart any comment on that by anyone else 09:55:40 <Ammler> planetmaker: I am not one of those 2 09:55:48 <planetmaker> but clearly redmine's handling of when to use reference only and when to close the issue can be improved 09:55:55 <planetmaker> you are. or who do you think? 09:56:15 <Ammler> Hirundo, Alebert, Yexo, Foobar 09:56:28 <Alberth> /me ? 09:56:43 <Ammler> those are at least involved as we reverted the wiki 09:56:44 <Alberth> I just want fixed conventions :) 09:57:03 <Ammler> as we reverted _my_ change 09:57:14 <Brot6> #openttdcoop - Revision 89:8fbc144a0acb: [HG] Disable global commit message check (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/home/repository/revisions/8fbc144a0acb 09:57:31 <planetmaker> [11:56] <Alberth> I just want fixed conventions :) <-- no one opposes that desire :-) 09:58:00 <Ammler> planetmaker: well, fixed convention would also mean like the wiki 09:59:02 <planetmaker> which changed every time some one decided to change it? 09:59:11 <Ammler> check the history of it 09:59:25 <Ammler> we changed to [] undocumented 10:00:00 <Ammler> Hirundo: complained why we use [] but the wiki doesn't 10:00:09 <Ammler> then I added it to the wiki 10:00:36 <Ammler> then we found out, that in that case, it doesn't autoclose anymore. 10:01:31 <Ammler> Alberth: the change I made to the ini should work? 10:01:40 <Ammler> or is there something else? 10:03:03 <Alberth> Ammler: what are you refering to? 10:03:16 <Ammler> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/home/repository/revisions/8fbc144a0acb/diff 10:04:08 <Ammler> I won't commit any repo specific rules, since I have no clue, what you want now 10:04:28 <Ammler> so feel free to setup repo inis as you like 10:05:10 <Alberth> the old matches still work with RM ? 10:06:07 <Ammler> yes 10:06:11 <Ammler> but not with PM :-) 10:06:22 <planetmaker> ? 10:06:53 * Alberth was considering to commit the previous repocheck.ini file into NML 10:07:06 <Ammler> you might then add \[#\d+\] 10:08:13 <planetmaker> *sigh* 10:08:43 <Ammler> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/home/repository/revisions/e404092028ff/entry/mercurial/hooks/repo_checks.ini <-- this to NML then 10:09:54 <Alberth> planetmaker: what do you want to setup? 10:10:23 <planetmaker> well. As said: I'd like it, if we could enforce the commit message style OpenTTD uses, too 10:10:58 <Ammler> not using [] was mainly a NML team decision 10:11:05 <planetmaker> To me that seems like the sanest solution. As it means that no one has to memorize zillions of style rules 10:11:28 <Brot6> test: abort: no suitable response from remote hg! 10:11:36 <Alberth> Ammler: no, you had problems with it, with RM, so the simplest solution was to drop [] 10:11:45 <Ammler> Alberth: yes 10:12:00 <Ammler> I just said, RM doesn't autoclose with [] 10:12:04 <planetmaker> and it was - seemingly - decided to not do that as then a Fix [#xyz]: blubber doesn't close an issue 10:12:15 <Ammler> but YOU (Hirundo and Yexo) decided 10:12:16 <planetmaker> yes, I found out that now, too 10:12:32 <planetmaker> oh well... :-) My memory span might be very short 10:13:21 <planetmaker> oh well... 10:13:30 <Alberth> planetmaker: so RM is broken at this moment 10:13:34 <Ammler> no 10:14:15 <Ammler> if the keyword to close is fix, why should it close fix [ ? 10:14:23 <planetmaker> well. It can't be configured to close on "Fix [#xyz]:" and only reference on "Change [#xyz]" 10:14:35 <planetmaker> It rather doesn't accept "[" as a keyword at all 10:14:47 <Ammler> planetmaker: maybe escape it? 10:14:53 <planetmaker> maybe... 10:16:22 <planetmaker> no, doesn't work either 10:16:43 <planetmaker> Fix \[ still doesn't have any effect :-( 10:16:44 <Ammler> if you will find a consense, please update the wiki 10:17:39 <Ammler> then we might be consider to enable global check again 10:18:52 <planetmaker> where is all this documented? 10:19:03 <planetmaker> and why it is as it is? 10:19:14 <Ammler> global things in the misc repo 10:19:29 <Ammler> repo custom things in the devzone settings wiki 10:19:41 <Ammler> and of course the commit wiki 10:19:52 <planetmaker> eh... 10:20:05 <planetmaker> yeah 10:20:13 <Ammler> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/home/wiki/Writing_Commit_Messages 10:21:04 <Ammler> the only thing I don't like there is Feature as autoclose keyword, but well 10:22:15 <planetmaker> is it? It shouldn't indeed... 10:22:40 <Alberth> Feature [#123]: Implemented thingie. 10:23:25 <Alberth> but a ref + manual close is possible too 10:23:26 <planetmaker> Alberth: What about Feature [#123]: Level crossings for right-side driving and Feature [#123]: Level crossings for left-side driving ? 10:24:35 <Alberth> so what is the use of #123 after that commit? 10:24:42 <Ammler> planetmaker: currently it is that you use [] and we don't, so if you like to invent those again, you should somehow announce that 10:24:56 <planetmaker> I understood that 10:25:06 <planetmaker> I didn't understand the need for the change. I do now 10:25:16 <planetmaker> But... it was not clear why it was changed 10:25:22 <planetmaker> THAT should be documented 10:25:29 <Ammler> we did, because we liked to make it similar to openttd style 10:25:38 <planetmaker> uhm, no. 10:25:47 <planetmaker> We changed it as [] didn't allow to reference it 10:25:59 <planetmaker> openTTD style would exactly be the use of [] 10:26:03 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:26:08 <Ammler> ah, you mean [] -> to non [] 10:26:33 <planetmaker> that's all we discuss here... for an hour, don't we? 10:27:19 <Ammler> well, or non [] -> [] :-) 10:27:26 <Ammler> which is quite undocumented 10:27:35 <Ammler> and was the reason, I reverted 10:30:46 <Ammler> anyway, just check the commits of NML, they used 10 different styles, and are mostly openttd devs ;-) 10:32:06 <Ammler> but mostly with [] 10:33:42 <Alberth> RM seems to be the bottle neck. Auto-close breaks when we add [] ? Or are there other issues? 10:36:25 <planetmaker> Redmine cannot reference [] 10:36:32 <planetmaker> or we don't know how 10:36:47 <planetmaker> as such the [] cannot be part of the distinction between reference only and close issue 10:36:59 <Ammler> Alberth: it depense on the view, needing [] for tickets can also be a bottle neck ;-) 10:37:26 <Ammler> anyway, I asked at RM support, maybe I get help... 10:37:27 <Alberth> Ammler: let's see what RM does first 10:38:14 <Alberth> planetmaker: "Redmine cannot reference []" <-- so auto-referencing is also broken with [] ? 10:38:38 <Alberth> Ammler: RM needs REs :p 10:39:08 <Alberth> planetmaker: or is it just that we can either have auto-referencing or auto-closing, but not both? 10:39:10 <Ammler> redmine doesn't need to reference [] 10:39:21 <Ammler> as it references every #NUM 10:39:54 <planetmaker> Alberth: auto-referencing works via ^ 10:39:54 <Ammler> the keyword for reference is "*" 10:40:11 <Alberth> Ammler: imho RM should be able to pull NUM out of any context. You need REs for that 10:40:32 <planetmaker> Alberth: it does. But w/o RE 10:40:40 <Ammler> Alberth: as we have already quite much patched Redmine, please commit a patch :-P 10:40:41 <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Revision 138:45516edb792c: Fix #1036: Use the Swedish order of colours for level ... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/swedishrails/repository/revisions/45516edb792c 10:40:41 <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Feature #1036 (Closed): Level crossing colours and details (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1036#change-2861 10:40:43 <planetmaker> Besides I completely agree 10:41:45 <Alberth> planetmaker: I was discussing the [] issues with RM. Are they usable? 10:41:46 <Ammler> hmm 10:42:01 <Ammler> planetmaker: did you try with [], it should work now? 10:42:10 <planetmaker> Alberth: not that I know how I could use them in the referencing / closing expressions 10:42:16 <planetmaker> I tried. Both with and without escaping 10:42:24 <planetmaker> Fix [ 10:42:29 <planetmaker> and Fix \[ 10:42:35 <Alberth> ok, no [] with RM thus 10:42:36 <planetmaker> neither worked for closing 10:42:38 <planetmaker> yes 10:42:40 <Ammler> planetmaker: I mean, did you try pushing with [] now? 10:42:48 <planetmaker> Ammler: no 10:43:05 <planetmaker> I disabled it for the test repo 10:43:17 <Ammler> I disabled it globally :-) 10:43:21 <planetmaker> so that'd allow anything 10:43:26 <planetmaker> Yes, I saw that 10:44:01 <Alberth> planetmaker: so, knowing that, what would be a useful commit message style? 10:44:19 <planetmaker> what we had :-P 10:44:31 <Ammler> what did we have? 10:44:39 <Alberth> and Ammler changed it all again :p 10:44:42 <planetmaker> :-) 10:44:54 <Ammler> what did I change? 10:45:06 <planetmaker> the commit hook ;-) 10:46:10 <Ammler> well, I do enable it again, if you GUYS find a rule, which works globally... 10:46:40 <Alberth> what rule are you refering to? 10:47:34 <Ammler> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/home/wiki/Writing_Commit_Messages 10:47:37 <Ammler> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/home/repository/changes/mercurial/hooks/repo_checks.ini 10:48:51 <Ammler> it doesn't make sense, when we allow [] optionally 10:49:36 <Ammler> Alberth: beside that 10:49:59 <Ammler> did you try to make function which tries to find uncommitted files? 10:50:50 <Ammler> which is around 90% of the failed build causes 10:51:34 <Alberth> I did not try 10:55:05 <planetmaker> Ammler: that's not trivial 10:55:14 <Alberth> you could investigate the working copy for untracked unignored files during a commit, I guess, and produce a warning 10:55:18 <planetmaker> It basically means to add a full dep check to the hook 10:55:31 <planetmaker> or that :-) 10:55:49 <Alberth> it is an overestimate 10:56:15 <Ammler> planetmaker: might be a good idea to run make depend on every push? 10:56:23 <Ammler> in background and complain here 10:56:53 <planetmaker> well... The depend I currently have doesn't cross-check for things being committed / added to the repo 10:56:54 <Ammler> hmm, no 10:57:18 <Ammler> I meant on the server 10:57:29 <Ammler> but I won't run make outside a chroot 11:00:12 <planetmaker> :-) 11:06:54 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 549:929fd46eaaf9: Codechange: Don't hard-code replace-block param... (Hirundo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/929fd46eaaf9 11:07:19 <Hirundo> I will not fix any issues while the commit message stuff is not resolved :) 11:07:49 <planetmaker> :-) 11:08:01 <planetmaker> Go ahead. Fix #xyz 11:08:04 <Alberth> Codechanges are fine too :) 11:08:07 <planetmaker> nothing else can work right now 11:08:21 <Ammler> Hirundo: lol 11:08:27 <planetmaker> and I'm searching for some ash to put on my head 11:10:19 <planetmaker> though that metaphor or figure of speach might not translate to non-German languages. 11:10:49 <Alberth> I am sure of it :) 11:10:59 <planetmaker> ok... I should say "I'm wearing a sackcloth and ashes" :-) 11:11:07 <planetmaker> similar but not the same 11:11:30 <planetmaker> s/ a// 11:12:12 <planetmaker> and now everyone has to use a translator, too ;-) 11:14:23 <planetmaker> or in other words: "sorry for bitching around" 11:41:52 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 550:1cac4be9a8c2: Codechange: Don't hard-code replacenew-block pa... (Hirundo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/1cac4be9a8c2 11:57:05 *** Seberoth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:58:09 <andythenorth> hai hai 11:58:20 <Alberth> more andy :) 12:08:16 <planetmaker> nice explanation of the plug-in system, Alberth :-) 12:08:26 *** Seberoth has quit IRC 12:08:53 <Alberth> now hope that the message gets through :) 12:09:41 <planetmaker> :-) It's fit for a book explaining to children. If not, hope is lost 12:10:09 <Alberth> children go to such movies too? :p 12:11:16 <planetmaker> :-P 12:11:32 <Alberth> I thought they always had opaque tubes hanging in the air :) 12:11:36 <planetmaker> it need not be the detonator of the BIG bomb, that box with wires ;-) 12:12:33 <Alberth> those boxes are for the hero only :) 12:12:43 <Alberth> not for some technician 12:13:14 <planetmaker> :-) 12:13:15 <Alberth> those people are smart enough to stay away from such boxes :) 12:15:05 <Alberth> I always wonder when the bad guys get smart enough to skip the last second :) 12:15:15 <planetmaker> :-) 12:15:47 <planetmaker> http://www.eviloverlord.com/lists/overlord.html <-- you mean these ~100 rules obeyed by the evil overlord? 12:15:48 <Webster> Title: Peter's Evil Overlord List (at www.eviloverlord.com) 12:15:51 <Alberth> or better, display a useless time at it :) 12:16:12 <planetmaker> :-) Or no timer at all 12:17:01 <Alberth> no bomb or second in there :) 12:17:57 <Alberth> you do need a timer, unless you are a suicide bomber 12:18:24 <Alberth> hmm, perhaps let the hero start the bomb??? 12:18:31 <Alberth> nah, too unreliable :p 12:19:17 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 551:f218d6341bd1: Codechange: Don't hard-code font_glpyh-block pa... (Hirundo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/f218d6341bd1 12:19:47 <planetmaker> Alberth: ok... no visible interface to the timer. Just an indicator that it is active 12:20:01 <planetmaker> though... maybe a time with a known offset would be better. 12:20:06 <Alberth> :) 12:20:18 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 552:0453d4e145e5: Fix: Real sprite compression would not be recog... (Hirundo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/0453d4e145e5 12:22:04 <planetmaker> I will not use any plan in which the final step is horribly complicated, e.g. "Align the 12 Stones of Power on the sacred altar then activate the medallion at the moment of total eclipse." Instead it will be more along the lines of "Push the button." 12:24:14 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1092 (New): Remove templates for deprecated industries. 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Rather enable them :-) 18:14:06 <frosch123> Rubidium: which of them? 18:14:19 <planetmaker> fences on snow for railtypes who provide them :-) 18:15:21 <frosch123> anyway, that needs the big "trash snow information for map" patch :) 18:15:42 <planetmaker> hg 18:15:50 *** Seberoth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:16:05 <planetmaker> eh. wrong window ;-) 18:16:44 <planetmaker> would fences on snow mean to trash snow info on map? 18:17:03 * planetmaker happily pulls and is going to thest the new snowy features :-) 18:18:38 <frosch123> there are 4 bits for groundtype for railtiles. 10 values for fences, 2 for snow, 3 other 18:18:47 <frosch123> so you cannot store snow and fence at the same time 18:19:50 <frosch123> best solution is imo to not store snow in the map at all, but compute it from the tileoffset, the date, the height and the grounddensity 18:20:43 <planetmaker> yes, I agree 18:20:49 <andythenorth> doesn't that also help with the industry snow question we were discussing recently? 18:20:57 <andythenorth> and road snow? 18:21:15 <planetmaker> there's no road types. The latter should be un-impacted 18:21:24 <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Revision 350:d3c3ce038c71: Feature: livestock graphics for trams (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/d3c3ce038c71 18:26:03 <planetmaker> nice snow tracks on foundations :-) 18:26:04 <Ammler> singing... 18:28:10 <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Revision 351:d7edee57fdfa: Change: updated changelog (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/d7edee57fdfa 18:29:16 <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Revision 352:8a7914c67e5c: Added tag 0.7.1 for changeset d7edee57fdfa (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/8a7914c67e5c 18:29:26 <andythenorth> ^ release magic? 18:29:34 <Ammler> 1min :-) 18:30:23 <andythenorth> Ammler: fancy pushing it to bananas when it's built? 18:30:32 <planetmaker> so... Dutchies of Spanish? :-) 18:30:37 <Ammler> hmm, did I broke soemthing? 18:33:12 <Alberth> does not matter, the country is going to be chaos anyway 18:33:50 <Ammler> andythenorth: I have indeed broken it 18:34:00 <Ammler> gimme some minutes please 18:34:50 <planetmaker> _lucky_ Dutch 18:34:51 <Rubidium> planetmaker: I've heard people say that we should return the silver we stole some 300-400 years ago 18:35:00 <planetmaker> :-D 18:37:14 *** Seberoth has quit IRC 18:37:36 * andythenorth will upload HEQS to bananas 18:41:39 <planetmaker> haleluja. Good game. Like Germany vs. Spain ;-) 18:43:56 <Ammler> andythenorth: please compare the md5sums :-) 18:44:03 <Brot6> heqs: update from 0.7.0 to 0.7.1 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/heqs/releases/0.7.1 18:44:55 <andythenorth> Ammler: md5 same 18:45:35 <Ammler> good 18:52:34 <Brot6> #openttdcoop - Revision 91:d6895b891387: [Compiler] Fix: project without REQUIRES didn't build an... 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(andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/dc6df753a1a8 19:20:35 <andythenorth> Ammler: or there will if we can figure out which revisions need porting across :) 19:20:49 <planetmaker> Rubidium: will r20126 be backported (the snow on foundation tiles?) 19:20:58 <Rubidium> dunno 19:21:04 <planetmaker> :-) 19:21:39 <planetmaker> ok, I guess I can update SE rails docs also another time :-) 19:22:27 <Rubidium> I'll take a look at them after BBC2's good programmes have ended 19:22:41 <Ammler> andythenorth: usually you branch because of the release 19:22:54 <Ammler> and not making a release because of the branch :-) 19:24:20 <planetmaker> andythenorth: 0.3... "only" closing / opening parameter handling? 19:25:07 <planetmaker> if you like... tell me which commits need porting to the 0.3 branch... 19:25:54 <Ammler> maybe it is easier to decide, which not? 19:26:24 <planetmaker> well. doesn't matter :-) 19:44:12 <andythenorth> planetmaker: 0.3.0 - closing / production change handling 19:44:16 <andythenorth> I haven't done opening 19:44:57 <andythenorth> I'll make a list of change sets to exclude I guess 19:45:53 <planetmaker> andythenorth: do you know macHG? 19:45:58 <planetmaker> Might be interesting 19:46:04 <andythenorth> haven't seen ti 19:46:05 <andythenorth> it 19:46:37 <Ammler> isn't tortoisehg also for mac? 19:47:12 <andythenorth> for some things gui clients just get in the wya 19:47:14 <andythenorth> way 19:47:23 <planetmaker> andythenorth: sure. 19:47:34 <planetmaker> I only use it to have a good look at how the branches go :-) 19:47:40 <Ammler> well, it is nice to how the heads are "routed" :-) 19:47:48 <planetmaker> ^ 19:47:51 <Ammler> to see* 19:48:34 <andythenorth> doesn't redmine show it somewhere? 19:48:34 *** Seberoth has quit IRC 19:48:36 <Ammler> but else, just run "hg serve" and then browse to localhost:8000 19:48:46 <andythenorth> planetmaker: I've got a list of commits to exclude 19:48:55 <planetmaker> ok 19:48:56 <Ammler> yes, it does, but you might like to see it before push 19:49:01 <andythenorth> :o how did he miss that goal? 19:49:40 <Ammler> http://hg.openttdcoop.org/firs/graph 19:50:30 <Ammler> if you see those graphs, you might also see, why some merges are silly :-P 19:50:59 <andythenorth> planetmaker: commits to exclude: 1022, 1024-1037, 1065 19:51:15 <planetmaker> andythenorth: can you make a ticket about that? 19:51:24 <andythenorth> sue 19:51:26 <andythenorth> sure 19:51:30 <planetmaker> like 0.3 release or so :-) 19:51:59 <planetmaker> might not yet be problematic, and easy to transplant changes, but still 19:52:23 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1094 (New): 0.3 release backports (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1094 19:54:28 <andythenorth> no idea if this closure code works correctly :) 19:54:42 <andythenorth> might as well let players test that 19:54:42 <Alberth> only one way to find out :) 19:57:47 <planetmaker> hehe @ andythenorth 19:57:54 <planetmaker> there's always the chance for 0.3.1 :-) 19:58:06 <planetmaker> 0.3.0 - the bananas release :-P 19:58:13 <planetmaker> it ripes at the customer :-P 19:58:18 <planetmaker> 's place 20:27:47 *** Alberth has left #openttdcoop.devzone 20:38:35 *** Seberoth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:41:04 *** ODM has quit IRC 21:06:26 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 21:25:38 <Rubidium> planetmaker: openmsx causes the win32 midi driver to crash... 21:25:47 <Rubidium> (crash OpenTTD that is) 21:27:40 <planetmaker> wooot?! 21:27:47 <planetmaker> how that? 21:28:38 <Rubidium> https://secure.openttd.org/bugs/task/3941 21:32:31 <planetmaker> hm... I have to admit, I'm not quite fit at reading that backlog, even the one glx posted as I don't know the windows routines... but... 21:38:01 <Rubidium> it basically says: crash in mci, which is what the win32 midi driver uses 21:38:53 <planetmaker> :-( 21:44:47 <Rubidium> and the fact that this comes WITHIN a day of the actual default change means that dmusic is "better" 21:45:48 <planetmaker> that was the previously favoured device driver, right? 21:46:40 <Rubidium> yes 21:46:51 <Rubidium> with the wrongly pitched sound 21:47:09 <planetmaker> bugger bugger bugger... 21:47:32 <planetmaker> right... so I need to aquire some means to really verify the "midi-ness" of the single songs 21:47:56 <planetmaker> but it seems that midi drivers generally suck 21:48:04 <planetmaker> windows drivers bitch and crash. 21:48:23 <planetmaker> with the removed 'little blue box cars' I could reproducably crash OpenTTD on OSX 21:48:41 <planetmaker> what's next there? ... 21:52:20 <Rubidium> or that the tools to make midis generally suck 22:06:24 <Rubidium> in any case... I think the major problem is that the midis are made with different tools that all have their different preconceptions about MIDI 22:06:54 <Rubidium> it all worked fine with the original music precisely due to the fact that it's all made with the same tool/same instruments 22:06:56 <planetmaker> yes, probably it adds to the issues 22:07:20 <planetmaker> the difference between specification and implementation. somewhere 22:07:43 <Rubidium> ofcourse it's extremely difficult to test all the midis and how they interfere with eachother 22:14:01 <Brot6> firs: update from r1040 to r1070 done (1 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/nightlies/r1070 22:14:32 <Brot6> heqs: update from r348 to r352 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/heqs/nightlies/r352 22:15:15 <Brot6> nml: update from r548 to r554 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/nml/nightlies/r554 22:15:21 <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 2cctrainset (r573), 32bpp-extra (r36), airportsplus (r52), bros (r12), comic-houses (r70), fish (r386), grfcodec (r169), newgrf_makefile (r120), nmts (r16), nutracks (r86), ogfxplus (r39), opengfx (r465), openmsx (r86), opensfx (r96), snowlinemod (r15), swedishrails (r138), worldairlinersset (r648) 22:16:11 <Brot6> ogfxplus: rebuild of r39 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/ogfxplus/nightlies/r39 22:16:53 <Brot6> swedishrails: rebuild of r138 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/swedishrails/nightlies/r138 22:23:35 <Ammler> nice, isn't? :-) 22:24:36 <planetmaker> hm? why does it run nowß 22:24:39 <planetmaker> ? 22:24:47 <Rubidium> cause Ammler's messing with it? 22:24:50 <Ammler> well, I triggered it manually 22:24:56 <planetmaker> :-) 22:25:08 <Ammler> but the rebuilds were automatically 22:25:17 <planetmaker> and re-build... is done when? :-) 22:25:28 <Ammler> right after 22:25:30 <planetmaker> when the dep changed? 22:26:00 <Ammler> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/swedishrails/nightlies/r138/log/PACKAGES 22:33:31 <planetmaker> hm... there's no good and free midisoftware... 22:33:44 <planetmaker> at least none I can easily run 22:33:50 <planetmaker> or none I know :-) 22:40:29 <Ammler> is there a non-free? 22:44:47 <planetmaker> I don't know 22:45:04 <planetmaker> but there are some which cost too much money to be worth trying on a wild guess 22:48:26 <welshdragon> planetmaker: http://www.anvilstudio.com/ 22:48:27 <Webster> Title: Anvil Studio Catalog (at www.anvilstudio.com) 22:49:39 <planetmaker> hm, yes, I guess I have to resort to programmes which I run in a VM... 22:49:59 <planetmaker> thanks :-) 22:50:41 <Ammler> wine 22:54:16 <planetmaker> yes. 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