Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 11th July 2010:
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01:44:23  <Brot6> #openttdcoop - Revision 88:763351e7f777: [Compiler] Change: create a diff to previous build inste... (Ammler) @
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08:32:15  <planetmaker> Ammler: Alberth : the commit hook needs adjustment again.
08:32:28  <planetmaker> It doesn't swallow "Change [#1036]: Use the Swedish order of colours for level crossings"
08:32:42  <Alberth> Codechange [#1036]:     ?
08:32:59  <Alberth> hmm, it is not a code change of course
08:33:00  <planetmaker> Change should suffice.
08:33:31  <planetmaker> and the message tells me also that change should suffice
08:33:34  <Alberth> well, I don't have access to hooks at the system (nor do I desire to have that :) )
08:34:25  <Alberth> but it should be a simple configuration issue
08:48:41  <Alberth> planetmaker: no, your message is wrong, it should be "Change #1036: Use the Swedish order of colours for level crossings"
08:49:08  <planetmaker> ?
08:49:16  <Alberth> the RE looks a bit weird with "Added\ tag" though
08:49:24  <planetmaker> issues were always referenced with square brackets...
08:49:54  <planetmaker> IMHO the RE is wrong
08:50:10  <Alberth> <-- no [] in there
08:50:17  <planetmaker> yes, I see that.
08:50:20  <planetmaker> It's a bug there
08:50:41  <planetmaker> *sigh*
08:51:04  <Alberth> I think there were problems with the RM auto-issue stuff
08:51:25  <planetmaker> I'm quite sure it worked before
08:51:49  <planetmaker> it's not the first of that type of commit messages afair
08:52:03  <planetmaker> but... well
08:55:01  <planetmaker> and show that it actually worked that way (the place the colon is situated should not matter)
08:55:36  <planetmaker> though the hook could probably enforce it the other way around
09:07:52  <planetmaker> Alberth: I'm doing something terribly wrong... and I fail to see where. I cannot clone anymore any repo:
09:08:22  <planetmaker> <-- any idea?
09:09:24  <Alberth> the first line starts a bit weird, but that is a paste error?
09:10:48  <planetmaker> kinda. It's the command I gave without the bash prompt
09:11:13  <planetmaker> and yes... there's some display error which I copied
09:11:30  <Ammler> we agreed, that [] isn't allowed anymore :-)
09:11:39  <planetmaker> did we? Why?
09:11:51  <Ammler> because the autoclose doesn't work with it
09:12:04  <planetmaker> I don't want it closed. Just referenced
09:12:04  <Ammler> good morning :-)
09:12:06  <planetmaker> And that worked
09:12:10  <Ammler> yes
09:12:22  <Ammler> but that wouldn't be consistent
09:12:34  <planetmaker> eh?
09:12:47  <Ammler> nvm, just don't use [] anymore :-)
09:13:02  <Ammler> or setup a custom ini for your repo
09:13:36  <Alberth> Ammler: I was thinking that too, but it needs project customaization of the RM auto-issue prefixes
09:13:59  <planetmaker> Ammler: ... ok, I customize all repos then?
09:14:30  <Ammler> planetmaker: no
09:14:42  <Ammler> just those, you are alone :-)
09:14:49  <planetmaker> nope
09:15:39  <planetmaker> what's the inconsistency you quote?
09:15:41  <Ammler> why wold you like to use [] just sometimes?
09:15:51  <planetmaker> who says sometimes?
09:16:04  <planetmaker> I'd like to use the OpenTTD style
09:16:07  <Ammler> because you can't use those to close
09:16:11  <planetmaker> and using [#issue] is exactly that
09:16:24  <Ammler> yes, but openttd doesn't autoclose
09:16:38  <planetmaker> yes. and [#issue] should not autoclose...
09:16:55  <Ammler> but Fix #issue should
09:17:21  <planetmaker> Fix [#issue] maybe
09:17:35  <Ammler> tell, me how to setup than
09:17:38  <Ammler> that*
09:18:01  <planetmaker> "Fix [" as closing definition?
09:18:03  <Ammler> I am quite suprised, you missed the discussion
09:18:20  <Alberth> Ammler: RM has no per-project close definitions, has it?
09:18:37  <planetmaker> nope
09:18:50  <Ammler> Alberth: what would you like to change per project?
09:18:54  <planetmaker> it's one big global config thing with a moderate comfort interface ;-)
09:18:58  <planetmaker> no RE or alike
09:19:28  <Ammler> the only keyword I don't like there is "Feature"
09:19:28  <Alberth> well, that implies you cannot have several different conventions at the same server at the same time
09:19:45  <Ammler> until now, we didn't need
09:19:56  <Ammler> we mostly agreed on a "style" :-)
09:20:18  <Ammler> [11:17] <planetmaker> "Fix [" as closing definition? <-- that works?
09:20:27  <planetmaker> I don't know
09:20:44  <planetmaker> But it might
09:21:41  <planetmaker> what's the URL of the test repo?
09:21:46  <Ammler> then try it, if it works, change the wiki and the rule, but you should follow our rules, imo.
09:22:00  <Ammler> at least you :-(
09:22:17  <Ammler> test
09:22:18  <planetmaker> I was at no time aware that [#xyz] will be forbidden
09:22:21  <Ammler> or create one
09:22:24  <planetmaker> It was always used. Successfully
09:22:30  <planetmaker> As such it is not my rule
09:22:32  <Ammler> planetmaker: that is not true
09:22:53  <Ammler> we invented it as I after I added "*" as key
09:23:10  <Ammler> well :-)
09:23:40  <Ammler> but undocumented, as our wiki still didn't use those
09:24:09  <Alberth> hmm, colour 100 is barely visible at a brown background :)
09:26:18  <planetmaker> now... why can't I clone anything anymore... :S
09:26:47  <planetmaker>
09:27:36  <Ammler> you should run a LANG=C
09:27:45  <planetmaker> what?
09:27:50  <Ammler> before you post error message on a English channel ;-)
09:28:49  <Ammler> do you have some local hooks?
09:29:31  <Ammler> works fine here
09:29:32  <planetmaker> hm, yes :-)
09:29:52  <planetmaker> I added the hook of the server here. somewhat wrongly
09:30:00  <planetmaker> stupid hooks
09:30:31  <Ammler> you should run it on commit locally
09:30:46  <planetmaker> yes. obviously it blocked me...
09:30:47  <Ammler> the doc should tell you
09:31:02  <planetmaker> ok, can you disable all hooks for the test repo?
09:31:08  <planetmaker> I have no idea where and how
09:31:19  <planetmaker> I still don't know how to disable them
09:31:26  <planetmaker> and I start to dispise them
09:31:37  <planetmaker> and they're active by default :-(
09:31:40  <Ammler> pretxnchangegroup.check =
09:31:45  <planetmaker> where?
09:31:57  <Ammler> in .hg/hgrc
09:32:05  <planetmaker> even though the repos don#t have it?
09:32:18  <planetmaker> so I need to create it everywhere?
09:32:23  <Ammler> yes, usually, they don't
09:32:25  <planetmaker> on the server? via ssh only?
09:32:29  <Ammler> yes
09:32:34  <Alberth> ~/.hgrc
09:32:36  <planetmaker> nice
09:32:42  <Ammler> or you change the custom ini
09:33:07  <Ammler> I am quite disapointed about your reaction to the hook
09:33:19  <Ammler> it was a quite nice work of Alberth.
09:33:34  <planetmaker> it's now the 3rd time it blocks me committing with a perfectly valid commit message :-(
09:33:44  <Ammler> [] isn't valied
09:33:47  <Ammler> -e
09:33:55  <planetmaker> and what makes me bad about it, is that I didn't see how to change it and make it work
09:34:01  <planetmaker> and yes, I do thing [] is valid
09:34:18  <Ammler> then please update the wiki and the redmine settings
09:34:20  <planetmaker> *think
09:35:37  <Ammler> and don't blame the hook for your selfish thinking :-P
09:36:38  <Ammler> I start on thinking, we should change the global hook setting to allow every kind of message
09:36:40  <planetmaker> I don't
09:36:55  <planetmaker> maybe
09:37:20  <planetmaker> though if it accepts proper style messages, it's not needed
09:37:50  <Ammler> anyway, if we do that, you should still respect the commit rules we setup ;-)
09:38:44  <Ammler> @logs
09:38:44  <Webster> Logs:
09:39:26  <Ammler> custom ini: .devzone/hooks/repo_checks.ini
09:40:25  <planetmaker> Ammler: you. Not 'we'
09:40:31  <Ammler> no sorry
09:40:31  <planetmaker> that makes a big difference IMHO
09:40:56  <Ammler> we agreed on the change here, introduction of [] was from you
09:41:20  <Ammler> that is why I wonder, you missed that
09:41:41  <Ammler> [] was never in the wiki
09:41:50  <Ammler> (until I added it)
09:42:01  <planetmaker> [] was used since the beginning
09:42:05  <Ammler> a day before we discussed that here and I removed it again
09:42:20  <Ammler> planetmaker: show me please a commit from beginning with those
09:42:45  <planetmaker>  and  show that it actually worked that way (the place the colon is situated should not matter) <-- maybe not beginning
09:42:47  <planetmaker> still
09:43:06  <Ammler> it does reference because I added "*"
09:43:24  <planetmaker> it closed
09:44:05  <Ammler> hmm
09:45:21  <planetmaker> and btw, you even used that style yourself. See your issue #669 commits to OpenGFX
09:45:45  <planetmaker> where it actually was quite advantageous that even Fix [#issue] didn't close...
09:45:45  <Ammler> yes
09:46:15  <Ammler> I said, we introduced it undocumented until some complained about missing docs
09:46:24  <Ammler> then I added it to the docs
09:46:34  <planetmaker> and now it's removed again
09:46:50  <Ammler> yep
09:47:52  <Ammler> wiki should have history
09:48:27  <planetmaker> we could just disable auto-close
09:49:18  <Ammler> you can, just use [] for your tickets :-P
09:50:08  <planetmaker> I'm laughing
09:50:17  <Ammler> you don't :-)
09:51:11  <Ammler> well, I do not care that much about it at all, just respect the rules
09:51:27  <Ammler> so we can adjust the global ini
09:51:48  <Ammler> discuss it with the others, when they are around.
09:55:10  <planetmaker> so... I know two people who want that badly. I've not heart any comment on that by anyone else
09:55:40  <Ammler> planetmaker: I am not one of those 2
09:55:48  <planetmaker> but clearly redmine's handling of when to use reference only and when to close the issue can be improved
09:55:55  <planetmaker> you are. or who do you think?
09:56:15  <Ammler> Hirundo, Alebert, Yexo, Foobar
09:56:28  <Alberth>  /me ?
09:56:43  <Ammler> those are at least involved as we reverted the wiki
09:56:44  <Alberth> I just want fixed conventions :)
09:57:03  <Ammler> as we reverted _my_ change
09:57:14  <Brot6> #openttdcoop - Revision 89:8fbc144a0acb: [HG] Disable global commit message check (Ammler) @
09:57:31  <planetmaker> [11:56]	<Alberth>	I just want fixed conventions :) <-- no one opposes that desire :-)
09:58:00  <Ammler> planetmaker: well, fixed convention would also mean like the wiki
09:59:02  <planetmaker> which changed every time some one decided to change it?
09:59:11  <Ammler> check the history of it
09:59:25  <Ammler> we changed to [] undocumented
10:00:00  <Ammler> Hirundo: complained why we use [] but the wiki doesn't
10:00:09  <Ammler> then I added it to the wiki
10:00:36  <Ammler> then we found out, that in that case, it doesn't autoclose anymore.
10:01:31  <Ammler> Alberth: the change I made to the ini should work?
10:01:40  <Ammler> or is there something else?
10:03:03  <Alberth> Ammler: what are you refering to?
10:03:16  <Ammler>
10:04:08  <Ammler> I won't commit any repo specific rules, since I have no clue, what you want now
10:04:28  <Ammler> so feel free to setup repo inis as you like
10:05:10  <Alberth> the old matches still work with RM ?
10:06:07  <Ammler> yes
10:06:11  <Ammler> but not with PM :-)
10:06:22  <planetmaker> ?
10:06:53  * Alberth was considering to commit the previous repocheck.ini file into NML
10:07:06  <Ammler> you might then add \[#\d+\]
10:08:13  <planetmaker> *sigh*
10:08:43  <Ammler> <-- this to NML then
10:09:54  <Alberth> planetmaker: what do you want to setup?
10:10:23  <planetmaker> well. As said: I'd like it, if we could enforce the commit message style OpenTTD uses, too
10:10:58  <Ammler> not using [] was mainly a NML team decision
10:11:05  <planetmaker> To me that seems like the sanest solution. As it means that no one has to memorize zillions of style rules
10:11:28  <Brot6> test: abort: no suitable response from remote hg!
10:11:36  <Alberth> Ammler: no, you had problems with it, with RM, so the simplest solution was to drop []
10:11:45  <Ammler> Alberth: yes
10:12:00  <Ammler> I just said, RM doesn't autoclose with []
10:12:04  <planetmaker> and it was - seemingly - decided to not do that as then a Fix [#xyz]: blubber doesn't close an issue
10:12:15  <Ammler> but YOU (Hirundo and Yexo) decided
10:12:16  <planetmaker> yes, I found out that now, too
10:12:32  <planetmaker> oh well... :-) My memory span might be very short
10:13:21  <planetmaker> oh well...
10:13:30  <Alberth> planetmaker: so RM is broken at this moment
10:13:34  <Ammler> no
10:14:15  <Ammler> if the keyword to close is fix, why should it close fix [ ?
10:14:23  <planetmaker> well. It can't be configured to close on "Fix [#xyz]:" and only reference on "Change [#xyz]"
10:14:35  <planetmaker> It rather doesn't accept "[" as a keyword at all
10:14:47  <Ammler> planetmaker: maybe escape it?
10:14:53  <planetmaker> maybe...
10:16:22  <planetmaker> no, doesn't work either
10:16:43  <planetmaker> Fix \[ still doesn't have any effect :-(
10:16:44  <Ammler> if you will find a consense, please update the wiki
10:17:39  <Ammler> then we might be consider to enable global check again
10:18:52  <planetmaker> where is all this documented?
10:19:03  <planetmaker> and why it is as it is?
10:19:14  <Ammler> global things in the misc repo
10:19:29  <Ammler> repo custom things in the devzone settings wiki
10:19:41  <Ammler> and of course the commit wiki
10:19:52  <planetmaker> eh...
10:20:05  <planetmaker> yeah
10:20:13  <Ammler>
10:21:04  <Ammler> the only thing I don't like there is Feature as autoclose keyword, but well
10:22:15  <planetmaker> is it? It shouldn't indeed...
10:22:40  <Alberth> Feature [#123]: Implemented thingie.
10:23:25  <Alberth> but a ref + manual close is possible too
10:23:26  <planetmaker> Alberth: What about Feature [#123]: Level crossings for right-side driving and Feature [#123]: Level crossings for left-side driving ?
10:24:35  <Alberth> so what is the use of #123 after that commit?
10:24:42  <Ammler> planetmaker: currently it is that you use [] and we don't, so if you like to invent those again, you should somehow announce that
10:24:56  <planetmaker> I understood that
10:25:06  <planetmaker> I didn't understand the need for the change. I do now
10:25:16  <planetmaker> But... it was not clear why it was changed
10:25:22  <planetmaker> THAT should be documented
10:25:29  <Ammler> we did, because we liked to make it similar to openttd style
10:25:38  <planetmaker> uhm, no.
10:25:47  <planetmaker> We changed it as [] didn't allow to reference it
10:25:59  <planetmaker> openTTD style would exactly be the use of []
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10:26:08  <Ammler> ah, you mean [] -> to non  []
10:26:33  <planetmaker> that's all we discuss here... for an hour, don't we?
10:27:19  <Ammler> well, or non [] -> [] :-)
10:27:26  <Ammler> which is quite undocumented
10:27:35  <Ammler> and was the reason, I reverted
10:30:46  <Ammler> anyway, just check the commits of NML, they used 10 different styles, and are mostly openttd devs ;-)
10:32:06  <Ammler> but mostly with []
10:33:42  <Alberth> RM seems to be the bottle neck. Auto-close breaks when we add [] ?  Or are there other issues?
10:36:25  <planetmaker> Redmine cannot reference []
10:36:32  <planetmaker> or we don't know how
10:36:47  <planetmaker> as such the [] cannot be part of the distinction between reference only and close issue
10:36:59  <Ammler> Alberth: it depense on the view, needing [] for tickets can also be a bottle neck ;-)
10:37:26  <Ammler> anyway, I asked at RM support, maybe I get help...
10:37:27  <Alberth> Ammler: let's see what RM does first
10:38:14  <Alberth> planetmaker: "Redmine cannot reference []" <-- so auto-referencing is also broken with [] ?
10:38:38  <Alberth> Ammler: RM needs REs :p
10:39:08  <Alberth> planetmaker: or is it just that we can either have auto-referencing or auto-closing, but not both?
10:39:10  <Ammler> redmine doesn't need to reference []
10:39:21  <Ammler> as it references every #NUM
10:39:54  <planetmaker> Alberth: auto-referencing works via ^
10:39:54  <Ammler> the keyword for reference is "*"
10:40:11  <Alberth> Ammler: imho RM should be able to pull NUM out of any context. You need REs for that
10:40:32  <planetmaker> Alberth: it does. But w/o RE
10:40:40  <Ammler> Alberth: as we have already quite much patched Redmine, please commit a patch :-P
10:40:41  <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Revision 138:45516edb792c: Fix #1036: Use the Swedish order of colours for level ... (planetmaker) @
10:40:41  <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Feature #1036 (Closed): Level crossing colours and details (planetmaker) @
10:40:43  <planetmaker> Besides I completely agree
10:41:45  <Alberth> planetmaker: I was discussing the [] issues with RM. Are they usable?
10:41:46  <Ammler> hmm
10:42:01  <Ammler> planetmaker: did you try with [], it should work now?
10:42:10  <planetmaker> Alberth: not that I know how I could use them in the referencing / closing expressions
10:42:16  <planetmaker> I tried. Both with and without escaping
10:42:24  <planetmaker> Fix [
10:42:29  <planetmaker> and Fix \[
10:42:35  <Alberth> ok, no [] with RM thus
10:42:36  <planetmaker> neither worked for closing
10:42:38  <planetmaker> yes
10:42:40  <Ammler> planetmaker: I mean, did you try pushing with [] now?
10:42:48  <planetmaker> Ammler: no
10:43:05  <planetmaker> I disabled it for the test repo
10:43:17  <Ammler> I disabled it globally :-)
10:43:21  <planetmaker> so that'd allow anything
10:43:26  <planetmaker> Yes, I saw that
10:44:01  <Alberth> planetmaker: so, knowing that, what would be a useful commit message style?
10:44:19  <planetmaker> what we had :-P
10:44:31  <Ammler> what did we have?
10:44:39  <Alberth> and Ammler changed it all again :p
10:44:42  <planetmaker> :-)
10:44:54  <Ammler> what did I change?
10:45:06  <planetmaker> the commit hook ;-)
10:46:10  <Ammler> well, I do enable it again, if you GUYS find a rule, which works globally...
10:46:40  <Alberth> what rule are you refering to?
10:47:34  <Ammler>
10:47:37  <Ammler>
10:48:51  <Ammler> it doesn't make sense, when we allow [] optionally
10:49:36  <Ammler> Alberth: beside that
10:49:59  <Ammler> did you try to make function which tries to find uncommitted files?
10:50:50  <Ammler> which is around 90% of the failed build causes
10:51:34  <Alberth> I did not try
10:55:05  <planetmaker> Ammler: that's not trivial
10:55:14  <Alberth> you could investigate the working copy for untracked unignored files during a commit, I guess, and produce a warning
10:55:18  <planetmaker> It basically means to add a full dep check to the hook
10:55:31  <planetmaker> or that :-)
10:55:49  <Alberth> it is an overestimate
10:56:15  <Ammler> planetmaker: might be a good idea to run make depend on every push?
10:56:23  <Ammler> in background and complain here
10:56:53  <planetmaker> well... The depend I currently have doesn't cross-check for things being committed / added to the repo
10:56:54  <Ammler> hmm, no
10:57:18  <Ammler> I meant on the server
10:57:29  <Ammler> but I won't run make outside a chroot
11:00:12  <planetmaker> :-)
11:06:54  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 549:929fd46eaaf9: Codechange: Don't hard-code replace-block param... (Hirundo) @
11:07:19  <Hirundo> I will not fix any issues while the commit message stuff is not resolved :)
11:07:49  <planetmaker> :-)
11:08:01  <planetmaker> Go ahead. Fix #xyz
11:08:04  <Alberth> Codechanges are fine too :)
11:08:07  <planetmaker> nothing else can work right now
11:08:21  <Ammler> Hirundo: lol
11:08:27  <planetmaker> and I'm searching for some ash to put on my head
11:10:19  <planetmaker> though that metaphor or figure of speach might not translate to non-German languages.
11:10:49  <Alberth> I am sure of it :)
11:10:59  <planetmaker> ok... I should say "I'm wearing a sackcloth and ashes" :-)
11:11:07  <planetmaker> similar but not the same
11:11:30  <planetmaker> s/ a//
11:12:12  <planetmaker> and now everyone has to use a translator, too ;-)
11:14:23  <planetmaker> or in other words: "sorry for bitching around"
11:41:52  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 550:1cac4be9a8c2: Codechange: Don't hard-code replacenew-block pa... (Hirundo) @
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11:58:09  <andythenorth> hai hai
11:58:20  <Alberth> more andy :)
12:08:16  <planetmaker> nice explanation of the plug-in system, Alberth :-)
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12:08:53  <Alberth> now hope that the message gets through :)
12:09:41  <planetmaker> :-) It's fit for a book explaining to children. If not, hope is lost
12:10:09  <Alberth> children go to such movies too? :p
12:11:16  <planetmaker> :-P
12:11:32  <Alberth> I thought they always had opaque tubes hanging in the air :)
12:11:36  <planetmaker> it need not be the detonator of the BIG bomb, that box with wires ;-)
12:12:33  <Alberth> those boxes are for the hero only :)
12:12:43  <Alberth> not for some technician
12:13:14  <planetmaker> :-)
12:13:15  <Alberth> those people are smart enough to stay away from such boxes :)
12:15:05  <Alberth> I always wonder when the bad guys get smart enough to skip the last second :)
12:15:15  <planetmaker> :-)
12:15:47  <planetmaker> <-- you mean these ~100 rules obeyed by the evil overlord?
12:15:48  <Webster> Title: Peter's Evil Overlord List (at
12:15:51  <Alberth> or better, display a useless time at it :)
12:16:12  <planetmaker> :-) Or no timer at all
12:17:01  <Alberth> no bomb or second in there :)
12:17:57  <Alberth> you do need a timer, unless you are a suicide bomber
12:18:24  <Alberth> hmm, perhaps let the hero start the bomb???
12:18:31  <Alberth> nah, too unreliable :p
12:19:17  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 551:f218d6341bd1: Codechange: Don't hard-code font_glpyh-block pa... (Hirundo) @
12:19:47  <planetmaker> Alberth: ok... no visible interface to the timer. Just an indicator that it is active
12:20:01  <planetmaker> though... maybe a time with a known offset would be better.
12:20:06  <Alberth> :)
12:20:18  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 552:0453d4e145e5: Fix: Real sprite compression would not be recog... (Hirundo) @
12:22:04  <planetmaker> I will not use any plan in which the final step is horribly complicated, e.g. "Align the 12 Stones of Power on the sacred altar then activate the medallion at the moment of total eclipse." Instead it will be more along the lines of "Push the button."
12:24:14  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1092 (New): Remove templates for deprecated industries. (andythenorth) @
12:25:11  * Alberth trashes the plan to take over the world using OpenTTD
12:26:14  <Alberth> bah, too many variables in my diagram
12:26:21  <planetmaker> :-)
12:31:37  <andythenorth> incoming....
12:31:53  <Brot6> feed devactivity had 14 updates, showing the latest 10
12:31:53  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1049:09ff8ed61535: Change: enabled production change cbs... (andythenorth) @
12:31:53  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1050:5dfaf268e599: Change: enabled production change cbs... (andythenorth) @
12:31:53  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1051:666c80a9e521: Change: enabled production change cbs... (andythenorth) @
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12:32:01  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1053:478dc3573f8e: Change: enabled production change cbs... (andythenorth) @
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12:32:23  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1058:2fde9627956e: Change: enabled production change cbs... (andythenorth) @
12:33:14  <Hirundo> thanks for the warning
12:33:20  <planetmaker> :-O
12:33:25  <planetmaker> steam-rolled ;-)
12:33:41  <andythenorth> now I need to recompile OTTD to close industries in like...0 years for testing :)
12:33:54  <planetmaker> :-)
12:34:26  <Ammler> at least, we see that sorting works ;-)
12:36:14  <planetmaker> :-)
13:42:51  <Brot6> ogfxplus: rebuild of r39 done -
13:43:21  <Ammler> hehe
13:44:35  <Brot6> ogfxplus: rebuild of r39 done -
13:44:46  <Ammler> now, that sucks :-)
13:47:18  <Brot6> ogfxplus: rebuild of r39 done -
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13:52:09  <Ammler> okidoki, compiler is ready for rebuilding
14:00:52  <Ammler> now, how to trigger dependencies? :-P
14:02:01  <frosch123> Ammler: planetmaker: <- does that look better?
14:02:19  <frosch123> (catenary handling is missing though)
14:02:30  <frosch123> (if you have snowy catenary)
14:04:32  <Ammler> that is for planetmaker, I am just a user :-)
14:12:02  <Brot6> test: abort: no suitable response from remote hg!
14:45:16  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 553:4db88063c89b: Codechange: Don't hard-code spriteset parameter... (Hirundo) @
14:45:16  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 554:1c5f3271c50e: Change: Make the image file an optional paramet... (Hirundo) @
14:50:35  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1059:717e86ce7fc1: Change: code to support closure prote... (andythenorth) @
14:54:21  <Brot6> comic-houses: compile of r70 failed -
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15:03:01  <Brot6> comic-houses: compile of r70 failed -
15:03:59  <Ammler> planetmaker: any idea? ^
15:05:00  <Brot6> fish: rebuild of r386 done (1 errors) -
15:10:58  <Brot6> fish: rebuild of r386 done (1 errors) -
15:28:53  <frosch123> is the catenary/pylons of ser snow aware?
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15:40:35  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1060:6b776a09a3ef: Change: beta code support for seconda... (andythenorth) @
15:41:50  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1061:1ebe222c0412: Change: increase closure protection p... (andythenorth) @
15:44:28  <Brot6> #openttdcoop - Revision 90:ded98fcb9841: [Compiler] Feature: support for rebuilds if required (No... (Ammler) @
16:14:43  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1062:6bc802a46e4a: Change: test code for primary closure (andythenorth) @
16:18:50  <Brot6> swedishrails: update from r136 to r138 done -
16:18:52  <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 2cctrainset (r573), 32bpp-extra (r36), airportsplus (r52), bros (r12), comic-houses (r70), fish (r386), grfcodec (r169), heqs (r348), newgrf_makefile (r120), nmts (r16), nutracks (r86), ogfxplus (r39), opengfx (r465), openmsx (r86), opensfx (r96), snowlinemod (r15), worldairlinersset (r648)
16:20:40  <Brot6> opengfx: rebuild of r465 done -
16:20:53  <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 2cctrainset (r573), 32bpp-extra (r36), airportsplus (r52), bros (r12), comic-houses (r70), comic-houses (ERROR r70), fish (r386), grfcodec (r169), heqs (r348), newgrf_makefile (r120), nmts (r16), nutracks (r86), ogfxplus (r39), opengfx (r465), openmsx (r86), opensfx (r96), snowlinemod (r15), swedishrails (r138), worldairlinersset (r648)
16:25:26  <Ammler> he, it is easy, I can simply trigger everything to rebuild :-)
16:38:15  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1063:7ca696b89b56: Change: make secondary industry closu... (andythenorth) @
16:55:34  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature #1093 (New): Return 32-bit CB results (Hirundo) @
17:03:01  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1064:3d7dd0574e8a: Change: tweaks to primary closure (andythenorth) @
17:03:48  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1065:868c066fd4ef: Feature: remove Power Station (it's p... (andythenorth) @
17:21:41  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1066:40e15c07709d: Change: refactor primary template act... (andythenorth) @
17:23:54  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1067:2c3453caa10c: Change: added comment (andythenorth) @
17:33:08  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1068:0a8d3076a68c: Change: test code for supporting prim... (andythenorth) @
17:42:17  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1069:68e1ffb7baae: Change: corrected dumb mistake with p... (andythenorth) @
17:55:58  <Ammler> andythenorth:
17:55:59  <Webster> Title: TransplantExtension - Mercurial (at
18:07:19  <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Revision 349:539420e51374: Change: shuffle order of tram wagon gra... (andythenorth) @
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18:11:36  <planetmaker> [20:10]	<frosch123>	[17:28:53] is the catenary/pylons of ser snow aware? <-- we don't yet define our own
18:11:38  <planetmaker> and if you ask me, that's not necessary :-)
18:11:42  <planetmaker> level crossings and tracks are
18:12:00  <planetmaker> fences also. But they're not drawn in snow. But all the logic and graphics are there and supplied
18:13:07  <frosch123> oh, no fences on snow... then i could have saved a few lines :)
18:13:22  <Ammler> :-)
18:13:43  <Rubidium> or implement George's feature request, but only for railtypey rails
18:13:47  <planetmaker> frosch123: don't. Rather enable them :-)
18:14:06  <frosch123> Rubidium: which of them?
18:14:19  <planetmaker> fences on snow for railtypes who provide them :-)
18:15:21  <frosch123> anyway, that needs the big "trash snow information for map" patch :)
18:15:42  <planetmaker> hg
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18:16:05  <planetmaker> eh. wrong window ;-)
18:16:44  <planetmaker> would fences on snow mean to trash snow info on map?
18:17:03  * planetmaker happily pulls and is going to thest the new snowy features :-)
18:18:38  <frosch123> there are 4 bits for groundtype for railtiles. 10 values for fences, 2 for snow, 3 other
18:18:47  <frosch123> so you cannot store snow and fence at the same time
18:19:50  <frosch123> best solution is imo to not store snow in the map at all, but compute it from the tileoffset, the date, the height and the grounddensity
18:20:43  <planetmaker> yes, I agree
18:20:49  <andythenorth> doesn't that also help with the industry snow question we were discussing recently?
18:20:57  <andythenorth> and road snow?
18:21:15  <planetmaker> there's no road types. The latter should be un-impacted
18:21:24  <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Revision 350:d3c3ce038c71: Feature: livestock graphics for trams (andythenorth) @
18:26:03  <planetmaker> nice snow tracks on foundations :-)
18:26:04  <Ammler> singing...
18:28:10  <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Revision 351:d7edee57fdfa: Change: updated changelog (andythenorth) @
18:29:16  <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Revision 352:8a7914c67e5c: Added tag 0.7.1 for changeset d7edee57fdfa (andythenorth) @
18:29:26  <andythenorth> ^ release magic?
18:29:34  <Ammler> 1min :-)
18:30:23  <andythenorth> Ammler: fancy pushing it to bananas when it's built?
18:30:32  <planetmaker> so... Dutchies of Spanish? :-)
18:30:37  <Ammler> hmm, did I broke soemthing?
18:33:12  <Alberth> does not matter, the country is going to be chaos anyway
18:33:50  <Ammler> andythenorth: I have indeed broken it
18:34:00  <Ammler> gimme some minutes please
18:34:50  <planetmaker> _lucky_ Dutch
18:34:51  <Rubidium> planetmaker: I've heard people say that we should return the silver we stole some 300-400 years ago
18:35:00  <planetmaker> :-D
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18:37:36  * andythenorth will upload HEQS to bananas
18:41:39  <planetmaker> haleluja. Good game. Like Germany vs. Spain ;-)
18:43:56  <Ammler> andythenorth: please compare the md5sums :-)
18:44:03  <Brot6> heqs: update from 0.7.0 to 0.7.1 done -
18:44:55  <andythenorth> Ammler: md5 same
18:45:35  <Ammler> good
18:52:34  <Brot6> #openttdcoop - Revision 91:d6895b891387: [Compiler] Fix: project without REQUIRES didn't build an... (Ammler) @
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19:17:37  <Ammler> the branching in firs looks like there will never with a 0.3 release ;-)
19:17:52  <Ammler> s/with/be/
19:17:57  <andythenorth> there will :P
19:19:31  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1070:dc6df753a1a8: Change: updated readme (not satisfact... (andythenorth) @
19:20:35  <andythenorth> Ammler: or there will if we can figure out which revisions need porting across :)
19:20:49  <planetmaker> Rubidium: will r20126 be backported (the snow on foundation tiles?)
19:20:58  <Rubidium> dunno
19:21:04  <planetmaker> :-)
19:21:39  <planetmaker> ok, I guess I can update SE rails docs also another time :-)
19:22:27  <Rubidium> I'll take a look at them after BBC2's good programmes have ended
19:22:41  <Ammler> andythenorth: usually you branch because of the release
19:22:54  <Ammler> and not making a release because of the branch :-)
19:24:20  <planetmaker> andythenorth: 0.3... "only" closing / opening parameter handling?
19:25:07  <planetmaker> if you like... tell me which commits need porting to the 0.3 branch...
19:25:54  <Ammler> maybe it is easier to decide, which not?
19:26:24  <planetmaker> well. doesn't matter :-)
19:44:12  <andythenorth> planetmaker: 0.3.0 - closing / production change handling
19:44:16  <andythenorth> I haven't done opening
19:44:57  <andythenorth> I'll make a list of change sets to exclude I guess
19:45:53  <planetmaker> andythenorth: do you know macHG?
19:45:58  <planetmaker> Might be interesting
19:46:04  <andythenorth> haven't seen ti
19:46:05  <andythenorth> it
19:46:37  <Ammler> isn't tortoisehg also for mac?
19:47:12  <andythenorth> for some things gui clients just get in the wya
19:47:14  <andythenorth> way
19:47:23  <planetmaker> andythenorth: sure.
19:47:34  <planetmaker> I only use it to have a good look at how the branches go :-)
19:47:40  <Ammler> well, it is nice to how the heads are "routed" :-)
19:47:48  <planetmaker> ^
19:47:51  <Ammler> to see*
19:48:34  <andythenorth> doesn't redmine show it somewhere?
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19:48:36  <Ammler> but else, just run "hg serve" and then browse to localhost:8000
19:48:46  <andythenorth> planetmaker: I've got a list of commits to exclude
19:48:55  <planetmaker> ok
19:48:56  <Ammler> yes, it does, but you might like to see it before push
19:49:01  <andythenorth> :o how did he miss that goal?
19:49:40  <Ammler>
19:50:30  <Ammler> if you see those graphs, you might also see, why some merges are silly :-P
19:50:59  <andythenorth> planetmaker: commits to exclude: 1022, 1024-1037, 1065
19:51:15  <planetmaker> andythenorth: can you make a ticket about that?
19:51:24  <andythenorth> sue
19:51:26  <andythenorth> sure
19:51:30  <planetmaker> like 0.3 release or so :-)
19:51:59  <planetmaker> might not yet be problematic, and easy to transplant changes, but still
19:52:23  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1094 (New): 0.3 release backports (andythenorth) @
19:54:28  <andythenorth> no idea if this closure code works correctly :)
19:54:42  <andythenorth> might as well let players test that
19:54:42  <Alberth> only one way to find out :)
19:57:47  <planetmaker> hehe @ andythenorth
19:57:54  <planetmaker> there's always the chance for 0.3.1 :-)
19:58:06  <planetmaker> 0.3.0 - the bananas release :-P
19:58:13  <planetmaker> it ripes at the customer :-P
19:58:18  <planetmaker> 's place
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21:25:38  <Rubidium> planetmaker: openmsx causes the win32 midi driver to crash...
21:25:47  <Rubidium> (crash OpenTTD that is)
21:27:40  <planetmaker> wooot?!
21:27:47  <planetmaker> how that?
21:28:38  <Rubidium>
21:32:31  <planetmaker> hm... I have to admit, I'm not quite fit at reading that backlog, even the one glx posted as I don't know the windows routines... but...
21:38:01  <Rubidium> it basically says: crash in mci, which is what the win32 midi driver uses
21:38:53  <planetmaker> :-(
21:44:47  <Rubidium> and the fact that this comes WITHIN a day of the actual default change means that dmusic is "better"
21:45:48  <planetmaker> that was the previously favoured device driver, right?
21:46:40  <Rubidium> yes
21:46:51  <Rubidium> with the wrongly pitched sound
21:47:09  <planetmaker> bugger bugger bugger...
21:47:32  <planetmaker> right... so I need to aquire some means to really verify the "midi-ness" of the single songs
21:47:56  <planetmaker> but it seems that midi drivers generally suck
21:48:04  <planetmaker> windows drivers bitch and crash.
21:48:23  <planetmaker> with the removed 'little blue box cars' I could reproducably crash OpenTTD on OSX
21:48:41  <planetmaker> what's next there? ...
21:52:20  <Rubidium> or that the tools to make midis generally suck
22:06:24  <Rubidium> in any case... I think the major problem is that the midis are made with different tools that all have their different preconceptions about MIDI
22:06:54  <Rubidium> it all worked fine with the original music precisely due to the fact that it's all made with the same tool/same instruments
22:06:56  <planetmaker> yes, probably it adds to the issues
22:07:20  <planetmaker> the difference between specification and implementation. somewhere
22:07:43  <Rubidium> ofcourse it's extremely difficult to test all the midis and how they interfere with eachother
22:14:01  <Brot6> firs: update from r1040 to r1070 done (1 errors) -
22:14:32  <Brot6> heqs: update from r348 to r352 done -
22:15:15  <Brot6> nml: update from r548 to r554 done -
22:15:21  <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 2cctrainset (r573), 32bpp-extra (r36), airportsplus (r52), bros (r12), comic-houses (r70), fish (r386), grfcodec (r169), newgrf_makefile (r120), nmts (r16), nutracks (r86), ogfxplus (r39), opengfx (r465), openmsx (r86), opensfx (r96), snowlinemod (r15), swedishrails (r138), worldairlinersset (r648)
22:16:11  <Brot6> ogfxplus: rebuild of r39 done -
22:16:53  <Brot6> swedishrails: rebuild of r138 done -
22:23:35  <Ammler> nice, isn't? :-)
22:24:36  <planetmaker> hm? why does it run nowß
22:24:39  <planetmaker> ?
22:24:47  <Rubidium> cause Ammler's messing with it?
22:24:50  <Ammler> well, I triggered it manually
22:24:56  <planetmaker> :-)
22:25:08  <Ammler> but the rebuilds were automatically
22:25:17  <planetmaker> and re-build... is done when? :-)
22:25:28  <Ammler> right after
22:25:30  <planetmaker> when the dep changed?
22:26:00  <Ammler>
22:33:31  <planetmaker> hm... there's no good and free midisoftware...
22:33:44  <planetmaker> at least none I can easily run
22:33:50  <planetmaker> or none I know :-)
22:40:29  <Ammler> is there a non-free?
22:44:47  <planetmaker> I don't know
22:45:04  <planetmaker> but there are some which cost too much money to be worth trying on a wild guess
22:48:26  <welshdragon> planetmaker:
22:48:27  <Webster> Title: Anvil Studio Catalog (at
22:49:39  <planetmaker> hm, yes, I guess I have to resort to programmes which I run in a VM...
22:49:59  <planetmaker> thanks :-)
22:50:41  <Ammler> wine
22:54:16  <planetmaker> yes. It just failed to install it :-P
22:54:34  <planetmaker> err:ole:CoGetClassObject no class object {13709620-c279-11ce-a49e-444553540000} could be created for context 0x5
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