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01:46:54 *** Seberoth has quit IRC 05:41:07 <Brot6> NFORenum - Revision 463:8a67d11556dd: Add: support for action 2 variable 25 (Rubidium) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nforenum/repository/revisions/8a67d11556dd 06:06:50 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 06:31:24 <frosch123> interesting... why does oztrans use variable 25? it is ottd-only 06:32:00 <Rubidium> you should ask him that :) 06:42:45 <Rubidium> although probably to disable his stuff when he finds something he doesn't fancy 06:44:27 <frosch123> hmm, do you know how that "// Escapes:" stuff works? 06:44:42 <Rubidium> not really 06:45:12 <Rubidium> although I think it can be used to define your own escapes by adding them 06:45:59 <Rubidium> the first character is the "action" and the order defines the "index" of them; with = you can say escapes have the same "index" 06:46:36 <Rubidium> s@index@operator/operation@g 06:47:00 <Rubidium> or condition type 06:58:05 <planetmaker> he. I guess it's used to keep canset clean and incompatible with other wagons 06:58:55 <planetmaker> something which bothered them for long: 'illegal' mixing of trainsets 07:00:39 <frosch123> so, it seems like the order of appearance inside a line defines the value of the escape. operator 10 has no escape, so it assigns a + dummy to it, which is the escape for 00, and thus is 00 is found first when resolving + 07:01:03 <frosch123> quite some magic there :) 07:15:31 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:41:33 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:57:11 <Ammler> you guys should simply ignore non opensource newgrfs :-) 11:02:57 <planetmaker> but not bug reports from people who write those 11:04:44 <Ammler> why not? 11:04:57 <Ammler> just reject with, can't reproduce 11:05:04 <Ammler> -, 11:05:40 <Rubidium> the snippet he provided did reproduce that issue; the other issue I can't reproduce, so I'm asking for the whole NFO 11:05:41 <Ammler> well, at least you should stop talking about all the time :-) 11:07:22 <Rubidium> Ammler: and why should we ignore things that are said that are proven to be incorrect later on? Like saying he is not going to do anything for OpenTTD, yet he's using an openttd only piece of NFO... 11:08:14 <Ammler> because he never said that, have you a quote? 11:09:07 <Ammler> no, no need, I really should not talk about that set 11:09:45 <Rubidium> Ammler: exhibit A: saying OpenTTD only features are skipped; http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=895275#p895275 11:09:47 <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums • View topic - Canadian Base Graphics v2.0 (CanBase) Development (at www.tt-forums.net) 11:10:45 <Rubidium> Ammler: exhibit B: using varaction 2 variable 25 (OpenTTD only); http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=895482#p895482 11:10:46 <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums • View topic - NFORenum 4.0.0-RC1 (at www.tt-forums.net) 11:12:09 <Rubidium> Q.E.D. (the hypocracy that started this all) 11:13:03 <Ammler> well, if you think it is worth... 11:13:35 <Rubidium> frosch123: regarding to you tiki change of 5h ago, was there a grfcodec 0.9.11? 11:15:27 <frosch123> you know better :) 11:15:45 <Rubidium> then I'd say: no 11:18:09 <Ammler> Rubidium: maybe you can at least try to ignore canadian set forum :-) 11:19:48 <planetmaker> Ammler, why would one put him on complete ignore? 11:20:04 <planetmaker> He's TTDP-centric. But he's nice enough to report issues 11:20:34 <planetmaker> And him using his own licensing... it's his and collaborator's work and as such their choice 11:20:56 <planetmaker> But the bug reports are also valuable input. And their newgrf certainly valid and elaborate test cases 11:21:46 <Ammler> oh majonaise, maybe better you ignore me :-) 11:22:40 <Rubidium> guess you just don't care about making nforenum/grfcodec correct regardless of the means :) 11:22:44 <planetmaker> Ammler, one doesn't have to like the newgrf handling, release ideology and the attitude 11:22:52 <Rubidium> which is perfectly fine as your personal opinion 11:23:13 <Rubidium> I won't use his stuff though 11:23:40 <Ammler> planetmaker: you could simply use his bugreports without trying to find relations to the canset 11:23:41 <planetmaker> But ignoring everything said from him is not bringing any benefit either 11:23:53 <planetmaker> Ammler, yes. What else is done? 11:23:57 <Ammler> and you could stop blaming him as openttd hater at the same time 11:24:24 <planetmaker> so... your point is me kinda mocking him? 11:24:34 <planetmaker> or fr0sch doing so? 11:25:01 <Ammler> you guys yes 11:27:27 <Ammler> if you would ignore the canset thread, he would be a nice guy :-) 11:28:42 * Rubidium wonders what the "mocking" is though; it's just stating facts and your whole discussion caused writing more flammatory stuff than the 4 lines about his stuff before you started to "complain" against it ;) 11:29:15 <Rubidium> Ammler: if we ignore all his canset threads and bug reports 11:29:29 <Ammler> why "and" 11:30:04 <Ammler> Rubidium: it isn't the first time today... 11:30:33 <Rubidium> because one of the "bug reports" has a whole hissy fit about OpenTTD's developers not implementing his feature request immediately 11:31:20 <Ammler> but that might be in the canset thread, so you wouldn't have noticed it :-) 11:31:33 <planetmaker> Rubidium, I considered mocking the statement to point out the hypocricy of 'I don't use OpenTTD stuff' vs. him using var 25. 11:31:59 <planetmaker> Ammler, then just ignore talk about canset related things 11:32:06 <Rubidium> Ammler: bugs.openttd.org doesn't have a canset thread 11:32:25 <planetmaker> this discussion indeed is more lengthy and mentioned it far more than anything today before related to it 11:33:31 <planetmaker> stating facts in a pointed way can be a way of mocking ;-) 11:41:58 <Ammler> Well, I just thought, it would make your life easier :-) 12:26:29 <Brot6> Metro Track Set - Feature #1224 (New): 3rd rail with catenary (michi_cc) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1224 12:31:32 <Brot6> Metro Track Set - Feature #1224: 3rd rail with catenary (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1224#change-3077 14:00:08 *** Doorslammer has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:07:30 *** thgergo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:12:36 *** andythenorth has left #openttdcoop.devzone 16:19:12 <Brot6> grfcodec: update from r218 to r222 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/grfcodec/nightlies/r222 16:20:59 <Brot6> nforenum: update from r459 to r463 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/nforenum/nightlies/r463 16:21:08 <Ammler> menno 16:21:22 <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 2cctrainset (r573), 32bpp-extra (r38), airportsplus (r52), basecosts (r20), comic-houses (r71), firs (r1121), fish (r386), heqs (r371), metrotrackset (r43), newgrf_makefile (r124), nml (r670), nutracks (r90), ogfxplus (r41), opengfx (r477), openmsx (r97), opensfx (r97), snowlinemod (r15), swedishrails (r141), transrapidtrackset (r15), worldairlinersset (r659) 16:22:13 *** Doorslammer has quit IRC 16:22:18 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 16:22:42 <Brot6> 2cctrainset: rebuild of r573 done (6 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/2cctrainset/nightlies/r573/log 16:23:44 <Brot6> 32bpp-extra: rebuild of r38 done (1 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/32bpp-extra/nightlies/r38/log 16:24:14 <Brot6> airportsplus: rebuild of r52 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/airportsplus/nightlies/r52/log 16:24:40 <Brot6> basecosts: rebuild of r20 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/basecosts/nightlies/r20/log 16:25:12 <Brot6> comic-houses: rebuild of r71 done (3 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/comic-houses/nightlies/r71/log 16:26:02 <Brot6> firs: rebuild of r1121 done (142 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/nightlies/r1121/log 16:27:04 <Brot6> fish: rebuild of r386 done (6 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/fish/nightlies/r386/log 16:27:59 <Brot6> heqs: rebuild of r371 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/heqs/nightlies/r371/log 16:29:04 <Brot6> newgrf_makefile: rebuild of r124 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/newgrf_makefile/nightlies/r124/log 16:30:19 <Brot6> nutracks: rebuild of r90 done (13 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/nutracks/nightlies/r90/log 16:32:41 <Brot6> snowlinemod: rebuild of r15 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/snowlinemod/nightlies/r15/log 16:33:22 <Brot6> transrapidtrackset: rebuild of r15 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/transrapidtrackset/nightlies/r15/log 16:34:32 <Brot6> worldairlinersset: rebuild of r659 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/worldairlinersset/nightlies/r659/log 16:34:33 <Brot6> Following repos rebuilds successful without any difference to earlier nightlies builds: metrotrackset, opengfx 16:38:20 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:48:44 *** Seberoth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:55:43 <Ammler> Yexo: maybe we should merge devzone and noai.openttd.org :-) 17:56:04 <Yexo> in other words: move noai.openttd.org to the devzone? 17:57:55 <Ammler> how ever, is noai login also managed with account.openttd.org? 17:58:15 <Yexo> not 100% sure, I think it was planned but never done 18:21:56 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:38:48 *** Seberoth has quit IRC 18:40:11 *** Seberoth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:04:18 *** DJNekkid has quit IRC 19:19:18 *** DJNekkid has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:57:28 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 21:10:29 *** welshdragon has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:30:42 *** ODM has quit IRC 23:07:40 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 23:08:21 *** thgergo has quit IRC 23:30:25 *** Seberoth has quit IRC