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00:19:19 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 04:07:25 *** Seberoth has quit IRC 04:07:42 *** Seberoth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 06:54:52 *** Yexo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:26:54 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:52:15 <Brot6> Snowline mod - Revision 29:372f782a7fc8: Add: Swedish translation (by Irwe) (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/snowlinemod/repository/revisions/372f782a7fc8 10:41:48 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:07:09 <Brot6> GRFCodec - Revision 234:9331c9eca33a: Fix: don't bundle version.def twice in the source bundle (Rubidium) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/grfcodec/repository/revisions/9331c9eca33a 11:07:09 <Brot6> NFORenum - Revision 474:94a6f8bf6874: Fix: don't bundle version.def twice in the source bundle (Rubidium) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nforenum/repository/revisions/94a6f8bf6874 11:46:59 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #1054 (Feedback): Incomplete cargo chains prior to certain da... (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1054#change-3383 12:06:31 *** Guest337 is now known as SmatZ 12:11:20 <Brot6> Example NewGRF Project - Revision 159:f3bcdbfc444a: Change: Unify the handling of build targets a... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/newgrf-makefile/repository/revisions/f3bcdbfc444a 12:11:20 <Brot6> Example NewGRF Project - Revision 160:3ae2dd5c59b9: Change: Avoid that makefiles have the same ex... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/newgrf-makefile/repository/revisions/3ae2dd5c59b9 12:11:49 <planetmaker> hm. 12:12:37 *** Yexo has quit IRC 12:12:51 <Brot6> World Airliners Set - Revision 662:7a7ba174cb44: Coded 747-400 BCF (FaddyPainter) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlinersset/repository/revisions/7a7ba174cb44 12:12:51 <Brot6> World Airliners Set - Revision 663:6f66b0b9473d: Coded new 747SCD liveries (FaddyPainter) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlinersset/repository/revisions/6f66b0b9473d 12:14:01 <Ammler> planetmaker: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ttrs 12:14:05 <Brot6> repository /home/ottdc/hg-repos/ttrs registered in Redmine with url /home/ottdc/hg-repos/ttrs 12:14:05 <Brot6> repository /home/ottdc/hg-repos/ttrs created 12:15:54 <Rubidium> Ammler/planetmaker: anything using hg archive for source bundling and then adding something with tar -u? That might not work as you expect :) 12:16:17 <planetmaker> I don't use that 12:16:27 <Ammler> what is tar -u? 12:16:32 <Rubidium> update 12:16:41 <Ammler> why should someone use that? 12:17:10 <Rubidium> because version.def of grfcodec/nforenum needs to be modified from the normal hg checkout to include the actual version numbers 12:17:29 <Brot6> Total Town Replacement Set - Feature Request #1287 (New): FIRS compatible (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1287 12:22:38 <Ammler> nice, I setup project and delegate responsibility to other guys :-) 12:23:02 <Ammler> I wonder, if George will react 12:23:47 <Ammler> planetmaker: any idea for a ticket I could assign to him? 12:24:12 <planetmaker> Ammler: Csaboka coded TTRS 12:24:17 <planetmaker> and don't assign any tickets 12:24:22 <planetmaker> not yet :-) 12:24:37 <Ammler> well, I just want to mail George :-P 12:25:09 <planetmaker> And I'll actually keep the original license which I got when it was still in the grfpack 12:25:25 <Ammler> then my 2nd thought is right, George is the only active from the credits, right? 12:26:07 <Ammler> well, does it have some nc clauses? 12:26:10 <Ammler> or nd? 12:26:21 <Ammler> @grf 12:26:38 <Ammler> @wiki grf 12:26:40 <Webster> GRF - #openttdcoop Wiki - http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Special:Search?go=Go&search=grf 12:26:57 <planetmaker> it doesn't 12:27:09 <planetmaker> TTRS-v3 has been made for the Transport Tycoon fans; you are free to use it at your disposal, 12:27:11 <planetmaker> as long as you give the right credits. 12:27:28 <planetmaker> That includes modifications and enhangements to individual drawings and code slices (see license.txt for the legal words). 12:27:38 <Ammler> so it is GPL without sources, when we provide sources, nothing against sources 12:27:43 <planetmaker> yep 12:27:55 <Ammler> so we can change to GPL, can't we? 12:28:14 <planetmaker> I think so 12:28:29 <Ammler> well, you are right, keep the license 12:28:38 <Ammler> nothing really important yet 12:28:45 <Ammler> specially not before we releae something 12:29:16 <Ammler> maybe you could add the html to the docs? 12:29:27 <planetmaker> what? why that? 12:29:38 <planetmaker> and... which html? 12:29:45 <Ammler> the readme 12:29:54 <Ammler> or is it around in textform? 12:30:48 <Ammler> r0 might be best just the decoded grf and the html 12:31:24 <Rubidium> or... you could ask the original devs for the code? Might be much more useful than a decoded one 12:31:49 <Ammler> nobody reachable 12:31:59 <Rubidium> how long did you wait? 12:32:05 <Rubidium> how hard did you try? 12:32:06 <Ammler> planetmaker: ? 12:32:20 <Rubidium> did you for example try to email them? 12:33:11 <Ammler> I am quite sure, pm tried to email those for the license stuff 12:35:16 <planetmaker> I didn't actually try 12:35:49 <planetmaker> As I never truely followed this path. But yes, I should do that, I guess :-) 12:36:05 <planetmaker> But I didn't e-mail them for license stuff as it's IMHO quite clear 12:36:52 <Ammler> oh, I made a ticket and assigned to George :-) 12:37:06 <planetmaker> why? 12:37:16 <Ammler> because he is on the credits list 12:37:25 <Ammler> maybe he knows something 12:37:37 <planetmaker> I really don't see the need for a license discussion with TTRS 12:37:39 <Ammler> you can still try to email the others 12:37:56 <Ammler> no, for sources 12:38:05 <Brot6> Total Town Replacement Set - Support #1288 (New): Sources (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1288 12:38:31 <planetmaker> That will be in the hand of Czaboka... 12:38:49 <planetmaker> and he put it up on bananas afaik? 12:38:56 <Rubidium> regardless of the license stuff, it's better to ask before doing some "hostile" fork using decompiled sources 12:39:16 <Ammler> maybe we should make it private :-) 12:39:58 <Ammler> on the other side, it was already a "Forum" project 12:39:59 <planetmaker> Rubidium: that's sure :-) 12:40:13 <Ammler> so wouldn't be a fork 12:41:03 <Rubidium> grfcodec/nforenum would be a fork if Dalestan didn't reply 12:42:20 <Ammler> yes, TTRS wouldn't be in any case, that is what I mean 12:43:02 <Ammler> except pm would like to, but I wouldn't 12:44:43 <Ammler> fork would need new name, I ssume 12:57:35 <planetmaker> Ammler: my aim is to just provide an update to TTRS wich supports the parameter display 12:57:46 <planetmaker> seen that it is an issue and readme not readily available 12:57:54 <planetmaker> besides, there are other bugs, yes 13:16:10 <planetmaker> requests for sources sent 13:58:24 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Support #1289 (New): Corrected ChME3 sprites (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1289 14:01:54 <Ammler> hmm, is it possible to teach FF to view pcx directly 14:02:42 <Rubidium> ofcourse it is 14:02:59 <planetmaker> :-D 14:03:12 <Rubidium> start by checking out their source and building it for yourself before changing/adding the code needed to do so 14:03:37 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Support #1290 (New): Corrected VL85 sprites (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1290 14:29:33 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: ? Is that Nynorsk or Bokmal you write? 14:35:09 <planetmaker> Rubidium: is it a problem to release already now a newgrf with Belarusian translations? 14:35:17 <planetmaker> I guess not, but... 14:35:28 <Rubidium> shouldn't be 14:35:50 <planetmaker> ok :-) 14:35:55 <Rubidium> though you can check it by starting 1.0.3 14:36:13 <planetmaker> I still hope to get a translation from glx into French and then I should be set 14:36:20 <planetmaker> yes, will test that 15:19:19 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:35:21 <planetmaker> quak 15:36:46 *** Yexo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:36:52 <planetmaker> 1.0.3 seems fine with Belarusian texts. But it ignores action14 anyway 15:37:02 <planetmaker> moin Yexo 15:37:10 <Yexo> hi planetmaker 15:37:24 <frosch123> moin planetmaker :) 15:37:40 <frosch123> 1.0.3 with belarusian? how that? 15:37:42 <planetmaker> :-) do you actually have (meanwhile) a highlight on 'quak', frosch123 ? 15:37:51 <frosch123> sure 15:37:55 <planetmaker> frosch123: not at all. But it doesn't complain 15:38:03 <frosch123> but, it does no longer highlight on earthquake 15:38:10 <planetmaker> I just wondered 15:38:12 <planetmaker> haha :-) 15:38:35 <planetmaker> so talk about Quakers is also irrelevant? ;-) 15:42:10 <Ammler> what channel are you in, where they speak about earthquaks? 15:43:50 <frosch123> #openttd 15:44:01 <frosch123> it happened at least twice 15:44:25 <frosch123> once it was belugas with a local earthquake in montreal, the second time i cannot remember 15:51:16 <Ammler> hehe 15:54:06 <Brot6> Snowline mod - Revision 30:14276f46b821: Add: Swedish and Norwegian translation (by AndersI, Irwe... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/snowlinemod/repository/revisions/14276f46b821 15:56:17 *** Yexo has quit IRC 15:56:23 *** Yexo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:58:26 <Brot6> Example NewGRF Project - Feature #1292 (New): support version for action14 & custom_tags.txt (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1292 16:06:13 <Brot6> Example NewGRF Project - Feature #1292: support version for action14 & custom_tags.txt (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1292#change-3388 16:07:52 <Brot6> Snowline mod - Revision 31:6ca73a67a7fb: Change: Indicate UTF-8 strings not by the thorn but by t... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/snowlinemod/repository/revisions/6ca73a67a7fb 16:10:07 <Brot6> Snowline mod - Revision 32:40951698c90a: Change: Use the repo revision as version (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/snowlinemod/repository/revisions/40951698c90a 16:16:35 <Brot6> Snowline mod - Revision 33:d949a3f49fa8: Fix: It was Bokmål, not Nynorsk (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/snowlinemod/repository/revisions/d949a3f49fa8 16:20:24 <Brot6> grfcodec: update from r233 to r234 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/grfcodec/nightlies/r234 16:21:42 <Brot6> nforenum: update from r473 to r474 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/nforenum/nightlies/r474 16:22:15 <Brot6> snowlinemod: update from r28 to r33 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/snowlinemod/nightlies/r33 16:23:31 <Brot6> worldairlinersset: update from r662 to r663 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/worldairlinersset/nightlies/r663 16:23:32 <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 2cctrainset (r586), 32bpp-extra (r38), airportsplus (r53), basecosts (r20), comic-houses (r71), firs (r1246), fish (r387), heqs (r372), metrotrackset (r56), newgrf_makefile (r162), nml (r672), nutracks (r98), ogfxplus (r41), opengfx (r502), openmsx (r97), opensfx (r97), swedishrails (r143), transrapidtrackset (r15), ttdviewer (r25) 16:26:55 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #1150: too wide sprites in purchase list (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1150#change-3389 16:33:16 <Brot6> Following repos rebuilds successful without any difference to earlier nightlies builds: 2cctrainset (47 errors), 32bpp-extra (1 errors) (Diffsize: 13), airportsplus, basecosts (Diffsize: 11), comic-houses (3 errors) (Diffsize: 13), firs, fish (5 errors), heqs, metrotrackset, newgrf_makefile, nutracks, opengfx, transrapidtrackset (Diffsize: 11) 16:36:07 <Ammler> DJNekkid: you also have the type 16:36:47 * Ammler would favorize disabling renaming... 16:40:16 <planetmaker> renaming? 16:40:53 <Brot6> Snowline mod - Revision 34:5221bcd22e93: Add: Polish translation (by Kogut) (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/snowlinemod/repository/revisions/5221bcd22e93 16:40:55 <Ammler> #1150 is about that? 16:41:09 <Ammler> disable renaming of vehicles would "solve" it? 16:41:45 <Ammler> what again was the issue with posx? 16:42:09 <Ammler> or how that properity is called 16:42:15 <planetmaker> part of the string and removed, if custom-string used 16:42:18 <planetmaker> setx 16:42:26 <Brot6> Snowline mod - Revision 35:ba998896cf85: Fix: langID wrong (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/snowlinemod/repository/revisions/ba998896cf85 16:42:37 <Ammler> why doesn't setx work? 16:42:59 <planetmaker> because it's part of the string 16:43:08 <planetmaker> as such a custom string doens't have it 16:43:12 <Ammler> setx too? 16:43:19 <planetmaker> yes 16:43:39 <Ammler> is that logical? 16:44:07 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #1150: too wide sprites in purchase list (Rubidium) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1150#change-3390 16:45:14 <Ammler> hmm, Rubidium just recommend setx, now I am confused :-) 16:45:36 <Rubidium> I did recommend it? 16:46:01 *** Seberoth has quit IRC 16:46:05 <Rubidium> strange world this is 16:46:20 <Ammler> well, :-) 16:46:28 <Ammler> I read it as such... 16:47:14 *** Seberoth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:49:49 <Rubidium> it's like when I say that killing yourself with a sharp knive is better than jumping in front of a train means I recommend people to kill themselves with a sharp knive. 16:49:49 <Ammler> wth, my openttd crashes on startup 16:50:10 <Ammler> :-) 16:50:36 <planetmaker> wrong patch? :-P 16:50:58 <Ammler> he, I don't use patches, only on server :-P 16:51:19 <Ammler> yes, hg qapplied is empty 16:51:58 <Ammler> remaking 16:52:15 <Ammler> but it is something else, as my stable openttd also crashes 16:52:57 <Rubidium> although I would solve the whole issue with renaming by either not adding the extra stuff, or by adding like 4 lines to the readme about "known bugs" and not care about it 16:53:12 <Rubidium> Ammler: recent upgrade of something? 16:53:38 <Rubidium> does it crash with saying something useful by the way, e.g. the linker bailing out? 16:54:26 <Ammler> ony java 16:54:39 <Ammler> no, just the "stupid" seg fault 16:55:38 <Ammler> hmm 16:56:31 <Ammler> http://pastebin.com/02R6n7PL <-- fresh compile 16:57:05 <Ammler> r20544 that was 16:57:06 <Rubidium> well, make a debug build and run it in gdb 16:57:33 <Rubidium> or... try to update to something newer? 16:57:42 <Ammler> yep, I do... 16:58:03 <Ammler> anyway, strange is that my 1.0.3 also does 16:58:11 <Ammler> which worked for sure 16:58:17 <Ammler> as I tested opengfx there 17:03:13 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #1150: too wide sprites in purchase list (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1150#change-3391 17:06:30 <planetmaker> hm, got e-mail from Csaba. TTRS is written with GRFmaker :-( 17:06:42 <planetmaker> Let's see how those sources look like... 17:10:01 <planetmaker> hm. Unusable... :S 17:15:12 <frosch123> decode the grf, and use the nfo :p 17:16:44 <Rubidium> so now you have a good explanation why you're using a decoded as source and not the original sources 17:16:58 <Rubidium> too bad GRFMaker can't export nfo though 17:46:24 <planetmaker> yeah 17:46:40 <planetmaker> frosch123: that's exactly what I'll do 17:46:45 <planetmaker> I don't want to re-write it 17:46:55 <planetmaker> Just pimp it in order to reduce the number of questions 17:47:20 <planetmaker> And I might fix some white pixels and a few nforenum errors 18:12:24 <planetmaker> hm... can I clone to a remote location? 18:13:33 <frosch123> scp or rsync should do 18:14:26 <frosch123> if you have a hg init first on the remote side, you can push though 18:15:37 <planetmaker> I had the hg init here already. 18:15:47 <planetmaker> actually it works. It failed only as the dir existed 18:16:02 <planetmaker> hg clone ./ttrs ssh://ottdc@mz.openttdcoop.org/hg-repos/ttrs works :-) 18:16:07 <planetmaker> after I deleted it ;-) 18:17:09 <Brot6> Total Town Replacement Set - Revision 0:a438e243dca2: Initial import (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ttrs/repository/revisions/a438e243dca2 18:18:12 <Rubidium> it needs renum? :( 18:19:10 <Brot6> Total Town Replacement Set - Support #1288 (Closed): Sources (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1288#change-3392 18:19:10 <Brot6> Total Town Replacement Set - Bug #1293 (New): disable normal houses via parameter (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1293 18:19:10 <Brot6> Total Town Replacement Set - Feature #1294 (New): multiplier for cargo generation (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1294 18:19:35 <planetmaker> renum? nforenum 18:19:44 <Rubidium> it mentions renum specifically 18:19:51 <planetmaker> Oh, in the readme? 18:19:54 <Rubidium> yep 18:20:03 <planetmaker> It's an old text I wrote 9 months ago :-P 18:20:39 <planetmaker> Only now it really makes sense, though, to update the set 18:20:44 <Rubidium> the nfo looks fishy as well; iso8859-1 fishy 18:20:54 <planetmaker> yes, that's probably true 18:21:12 <planetmaker> But that will need proper conversion. 18:21:33 <Rubidium> maybe nforenum's beautifier helps 18:22:01 <planetmaker> hm, let's see 18:29:08 *** Yexo has quit IRC 18:32:06 <planetmaker> hm :S 18:32:24 <Ammler> planetmaker: why you need to clone to the server? 18:32:34 <planetmaker> I had the repo already here 18:32:34 <Ammler> or where would you like to? 18:32:41 <planetmaker> Problem already solved 18:33:02 <Ammler> well, but you "solved" it wrong :-) 18:33:08 <Ammler> use -f next time 18:34:15 <planetmaker> hm, yes 18:34:25 <planetmaker> not much difference, though 18:34:26 <Ammler> I wonder, that this matters for a empty repo 18:36:11 <planetmaker> hm :S 18:36:12 <Ammler> anyway, did csaboka state, that he has no interest on continue the set? 18:36:20 <planetmaker> My character set conversion fails 18:37:03 <Ammler> iconv? 18:41:24 <planetmaker> well. Rather insufficient tools 18:41:28 <planetmaker> Or inconvenient 18:41:35 <planetmaker> And automatic detection doesn't work 18:41:49 <planetmaker> I need my linux nedit :-) 18:54:12 <planetmaker> hm, actually XCode can do that conveniently. But I don#t find a character set which fits all... 18:56:47 <Ammler> he, utf-8? 18:57:13 <planetmaker> yes. But I must first somehow have it displayed correctly. Which it isn't here 18:57:34 <Ammler> wow :-o 18:59:29 <frosch123> if it is grf it should be latin 1 19:01:50 <planetmaker> hm, yes. But... not with these tools :S 19:02:05 <planetmaker> at least I fail to convert it from that to UTF-8 19:05:58 *** Yexo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:09:19 <frosch123> works fine for me 19:09:38 <frosch123> first do "renum -a" to get rid of the string codes, then load as latin-1 19:11:51 <frosch123> hmm, except for Hungarian 19:12:14 <planetmaker> The coder IS a Hungarian... 19:12:52 <frosch123> oh, the hungarian texts are already utf-8 19:13:00 <frosch123> that makes converting hard of course :) 19:14:00 <planetmaker> hm. damn 19:14:10 <planetmaker> so... piecewise 19:14:24 <planetmaker> yes... there are some with the UTF two-byte sequence 19:33:16 <Ammler> planetmaker: currently, it isn't possible to get ride about the opengfx error message with bananas :-) 19:37:32 <planetmaker> what error message? 19:37:39 <planetmaker> missing spritesß 19:37:40 <planetmaker> ? 19:37:44 <Ammler> yes 19:37:52 <planetmaker> Well. Fix the signal alignment 19:38:02 <planetmaker> :-P 19:38:08 <Ammler> there is still a bug there? 19:38:14 <Ammler> hmm 19:38:28 <planetmaker> Did you change it since I posted the screenshot? 19:38:56 <Ammler> need to check :-) 19:39:00 <planetmaker> They're placed everywhere... but not consistently at the start of the tile at a somewhat similar distance to the track 19:39:24 <Ammler> of course not 19:39:31 <Ammler> are the original? 19:39:39 <planetmaker> they should 19:40:06 <Ammler> it is nicer, if the train stops before the signal imo 19:40:12 <Ammler> in front of* 19:42:08 <planetmaker> yes 19:42:30 <planetmaker> then the signal should especially not be placed outside in front of the tile ;-) 19:44:45 <Ammler> well, I thought, I fixed that, but I check the screen you made 19:51:55 *** FooBar has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:52:24 <planetmaker> I might be wrong. But I didn't see any commit after I posted that. Maybe I just missed it or didn't install after a pull 19:52:30 <planetmaker> Though I do that usually 19:52:43 <planetmaker> Especially if I'm testing the grf ;-) 19:53:21 <Brot6> Total Town Replacement Set - Revision 1:791406eef006: Codechange: Skip action14, if TTDPatch, so ... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ttrs/repository/revisions/791406eef006 19:53:21 <Brot6> Total Town Replacement Set - Revision 2:74d56f173853: Change: Update readme a bit (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ttrs/repository/revisions/74d56f173853 19:55:09 <frosch123> planetmaker: that is a myth 19:55:26 <frosch123> action14 is not skippable for older ttdp 19:56:21 <Ammler> the alignment is fixed, still with a general offset for all 19:56:39 <Ammler> but the action colors need new png 19:56:43 <Ammler> or converting 19:56:51 <planetmaker> just touching the sprites 19:57:15 <Ammler> that is why I reopened 19:57:22 <planetmaker> just fix it 19:58:59 <Ammler> yes, as soon as I get new images or I will to the convert self 20:03:53 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #1269 (Closed): alternative "missing sprite" sprite (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1269#change-3393 20:10:24 <planetmaker> I'm sorry, Ammler. Alignments are indeed fixed :-) 20:13:00 <planetmaker> besides that, we now should stick to our release-schedule :-) 20:13:02 <Ammler> well, you might be able to align some sigs better, but most probably not with same offset for all 20:13:15 <planetmaker> that's not evil. 20:13:26 <planetmaker> that's life of a grf-developer 20:15:37 <planetmaker> I just encountered meanwhile many cases where implementation of a template didn't really save time ;-) 20:15:59 <planetmaker> but it makes things look more pretty most of the cases 20:20:30 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1247:e759268a5c6a: Feature: Blacksmith cannot build afte... (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/e759268a5c6a 20:20:30 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1259 (Closed): Blacksmith needs a "don't build after xyz... (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1259#change-3394 20:23:36 *** Seberoth has quit IRC 20:24:34 <Ammler> well, using a template makes it more consistent 20:24:49 <Ammler> and much easier to fix, imo 20:26:57 <frosch123> night 20:27:02 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 20:27:16 <Ammler> he 20:27:36 <Ammler> TTRS if you like to keep default the same needs also a update for action14 20:27:45 <Ammler> s/update/fix/ 20:28:30 <Ammler> as it uses 0 as value 20:29:47 <Ammler> hg clone http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ttrs <-- does that work? 20:39:15 <Rubidium> planetmaker: r1 of TTRS is totally unneeded. If TTDP doesn't understand Action14 it'll not allow the NewGRF even if you skip it 20:42:39 <Rubidium> planetmaker: see http://dev.openttdcoop.org/news/39 20:47:24 <planetmaker> oh, then I recalled that wrongly. Thanks 20:50:27 <Ammler> and how did you solve the "default" issue? 20:50:58 <Rubidium> just poke Yexo into fixing that/figuring something out for that :) 20:51:45 <Yexo> Ammler: parameter defaults? 20:51:47 <Ammler> Rubidium: I told the day when you added Action14, that it needs fixing and how, I never really got, why it is that hard 20:52:20 <Ammler> Yexo: how to solve if you use value 0, but it isn't default? 20:52:33 <Yexo> ah, that 20:52:57 <Ammler> it is getting serious :-P 20:54:22 <planetmaker> nah. Serious is action14 support for NML :-P 20:54:29 * planetmaker hides 20:59:44 <Brot6> Total Town Replacement Set - Revision 3:2eed475bfb3b: Add: Dutch, German and Spanish translations (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ttrs/repository/revisions/2eed475bfb3b 20:59:44 <Brot6> Total Town Replacement Set - Revision 4:4a4c6dd1b13b: Revert (r1): It's useless to skip action14,... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ttrs/repository/revisions/4a4c6dd1b13b 21:08:42 <Ammler> does TTDP also support a14 now? 21:08:48 <Ammler> thought, it does just ignore it 21:10:53 <Rubidium> yes, it supports it by ignoring the Action14 instead of the NewGRF 21:14:54 <Yexo> http://devs.openttd.org/~yexo/param_default.diff this patch adds a new field to action14 for parameters, "DEFA", type binary, size 4 bytes 21:15:34 <Yexo> when a newgrf doesn't use the new field, nothing changes 21:15:52 <Yexo> when it does use that field, the default values are set when the user adds the newgrf to the config list 21:16:34 <Yexo> planned changed after this: add a "reset" button to the parameter window that sets all parameters to "0, unchanged by user" and then sets the default values again (if provided) 21:16:55 <planetmaker> :-) sounds exactly like what is missing :-) 21:17:09 <Yexo> note that setting a default value works exactly the same as when a user had manually set that parameter, so adding 80 in actionD doens't work if you've set a default 21:17:24 <Yexo> imo that is a feature, because you can easily be backward compatible 21:17:26 <planetmaker> yes, but that's not a big issue 21:17:35 <planetmaker> but currently I can set values which must not happen 21:17:43 <planetmaker> like: limits 2...16. And I get value 1 21:18:05 <Yexo> but once you set the value to 2 you can't change it back to 1 right? 21:18:06 <planetmaker> or a year parameter possibly 21:18:11 <planetmaker> yes, that's correct 21:18:19 <Yexo> so if you set a proper default that problem is also fixed 21:18:26 <planetmaker> exactly :-) 21:18:29 <Yexo> except when the user modifies the config file to change the value 21:18:44 <planetmaker> those who do that are to blame themselves 21:18:49 <Yexo> agreed 21:24:33 <Ammler> nice yexo :-) 21:24:57 *** FooBar has quit IRC 21:25:22 <Ammler> does it hurt, if you use DEFA on older openttd? 21:25:37 <planetmaker> no 21:25:50 <planetmaker> that's a general property of action14: ignore what is not understood 21:26:00 <Ammler> ok :-) 21:26:44 <Ammler> so ActionD +80 is needed for ttdp and older openttd 21:27:29 <Yexo> yep 21:27:59 <Yexo> mind that if you set DEFA for any setting, openttd will assume a default of 0 for all other settings and set that 21:28:27 <Yexo> so if you say you change 4 parameters, set a default for the first then ActionD +80 won't work for param 2, 3, 4 because 0 is "manually" set for them too 21:28:41 <Ammler> hmm 21:28:58 <Ammler> why can't it bahave like it does with 0 now? 21:29:26 <planetmaker> Yexo: syntax is how exactly? 21:29:32 <Ammler> well, better as no default it is anyway 21:29:33 <planetmaker> "B" "DEFA" \w<value> 21:29:43 <Yexo> for binary fields you need to specify the size 21:29:54 <Yexo> so add 4 after "DEFA" 21:29:59 <Yexo> and it's a dword, not a word 21:29:59 <planetmaker> or "B" "DEFA" \w4 \d<value> 21:30:04 <Yexo> yep 21:30:24 <Yexo> <planetmaker> or "B" "DEFA" \w4 \d<value> <- that's correct, should be \w4 indeed, not 4 21:30:46 <planetmaker> ok. and \w not \d :-) 21:31:04 <Yexo> Ammler: you normally won't notice that behavior, if you set a default you should set a default for all parameters were you don't want 0 to be the default 21:31:22 <Yexo> the \d<value> is correct 21:32:01 <Ammler> Yexo: I have a grf with 22 parameters, but mostly you need around 4, so it might look strange :-) 21:32:30 <planetmaker> hm... 21:32:41 <planetmaker> it it doesn't seem quite to work 21:32:53 <planetmaker> funnily it sets the parameters to 0 0 21:34:31 <planetmaker> and that even before I pressed the parameter button 21:35:45 <planetmaker> and as soon as the grf is activated I always have the parameters set. there's no use anymore for 'none' 21:37:11 <Yexo> planetmaker: you got a test grf? 21:37:52 <Yexo> the defaults are set when you add the newgrf to the active list, not when you press the parameter button 21:39:14 <planetmaker> yes, I do. 21:40:15 <Ammler> same here, default is 10, but all parameters are 0 21:40:22 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/869/snowlinemod-nightly-r35M.zip 21:40:32 <Brot6> Snowline mod - snowlinemod-nightly-r35M.zip (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/869/snowlinemod-nightly-r35M.zip 21:40:33 <planetmaker> defaults are 2 and 8 21:41:35 <planetmaker> I added also the diff to r35 of snowline mod. 21:41:39 <planetmaker> You need arctic climate 21:41:50 <Ammler> not possible to set default to "unset"? :-P 21:42:15 <planetmaker> hm? 21:42:35 <planetmaker> hm... that might actually be nicer 21:42:38 <Brot6> Snowline mod - add_default.diff (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/870/add_default.diff 21:43:10 <Yexo> Ammler: it's not possible to "unset" single parameters 21:43:21 <Yexo> there is one counter that keeps track of how many parameters are "set" 21:43:49 <Ammler> planetmaker: you should use tracker for diffs 21:46:58 <planetmaker> Ammler: no point to open an issue for that 21:47:05 *** ODM has quit IRC 21:47:13 <Yexo> thanks planetmaker :) 21:47:18 <Yexo> was a small error 21:47:20 <planetmaker> no problem 21:47:23 <Yexo> it works now ;) 21:48:19 <planetmaker> nice! :-) 21:49:37 <Yexo> would DFLT instead of DEFA be ok as name? 21:49:54 <planetmaker> why? 21:50:02 <Rubidium> more common abbreviation 21:50:06 <planetmaker> hm 21:50:11 <planetmaker> I like defa :-) 21:50:37 <planetmaker> but I don't really mind 21:51:57 <Yexo> is dflt really more common? I'd normally use "DEF", but it's only 3 chars 21:52:26 <Rubidium> http://www.all-acronyms.com/reverse/Default 21:52:27 <Webster> Title: Default in Definitions. How to abbreviate Default (at www.all-acronyms.com) 21:53:19 <Yexo> ok, so DFLT it is 22:04:12 <Brot6> Snowline mod - Revision 36:0e2af1127e67: Change: Make use of the default parameter settings (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/snowlinemod/repository/revisions/0e2af1127e67 22:10:07 <Ammler> "my" problem with setting all defaults is that "my" default is other then openttd default in that case :-) 22:10:12 <Ammler> but anyway, nice 22:11:15 <Ammler> (basecosts, 8 but I prefer 10 as default 22:12:16 <Ammler> Yexo: is it possible that if you are at min and click again right, it would jump to max? 22:12:38 <Ammler> and same if you are at max and click right it would jump to min 22:12:43 <Ammler> isn't that common? 22:12:45 <Yexo> that shouldn't happen 22:13:01 <Ammler> yes, it doesn't, but I would like that :-) 22:13:09 <Yexo> ah, but that's not how it normally works in openttd 22:13:22 <Ammler> ok, then 22:13:27 <Yexo> so it's not a good default, it'd need a flag to enable it 22:14:35 <Ammler> I didn't try, maybe I can use -1? 22:14:59 <Yexo> all values are uints iirc 22:15:06 <Yexo> so -1 is 0xFFFFFFFF 22:15:20 <Ammler> yes, well, nvm then 22:15:20 <planetmaker> [00:13] <Ammler> yes, it doesn't, but I would like that :-) <-- I don't ;-) 22:18:29 <Ammler> planetmaker: so it is uncommon? 22:19:06 <Ammler> I wasn't sure 22:19:56 <planetmaker> it's found sometimes. But I'm not sure whether it fits here. 22:20:22 <planetmaker> Better is IMHO a functionality like ctrl+click = jump to other end or make bigger jumps 22:20:51 <planetmaker> that's more intuitive 22:22:46 <Rubidium> >> #openttd >> thought it was scheduled "soon" :) 22:23:11 <planetmaker> yup. three weeks or so :-) 22:23:27 <planetmaker> maybe two 22:29:36 <Ammler> does nforenum have the capability to check for example, if action14 with default also has a "matching" actionD +80? 22:30:12 <Ammler> no, might not be possible, as action14 has settings 22:30:47 <Ammler> at least you can do that with nml :-) 22:30:56 <Yexo> yep :) 22:32:32 <planetmaker> :-) 22:35:19 <Ammler> planetmaker: you see, my asking for ogfx2banaans isn't that selfish :-P 22:36:01 <planetmaker> I know. But nightly usesrs should know :-P 22:37:13 <Ammler> again, is it a bad idea to upload from time to time a nightly for nightly users? 22:37:29 <Rubidium> Ammler: adding ogfx nightlies to bananas means *either* adding a new unique id for the opengfx nightlies (making replacing opengfx nightlies for opengfx more of a hassel) or it means pushing only the nightlies the nightly users 22:37:50 <Ammler> Rubidium: I meant the 2nd 22:38:19 <Ammler> just setting min version to nightly for nightlies 22:38:57 <Ammler> it doesn't hurt, if those people then use it with stable too 22:40:14 <Ammler> maybe it was also just bad timing for the commit you made :-) 22:41:13 <planetmaker> I like atomic comits, but not atomic releases ;-) 22:42:04 <Ammler> I meant the commit from rubi 22:46:13 <Ammler> I can't do more then tell you..., the rest is up2you... 22:47:02 <Rubidium> bananas isn't quite designed for distributing nightlies 22:47:35 <Ammler> not every nightly, just for example todays :-) 22:47:40 <Rubidium> as it retains all binaries, which makes it grow quite quickly 22:47:41 <Ammler> I thought, that is clear 22:48:05 <Ammler> as a kind of beta release 22:49:37 <Ammler> but I really should be silence about, my opinion is known, sorry. 22:49:59 <Rubidium> so is mine :) 22:50:34 <Ammler> not sure :-) 22:51:15 <Ammler> well, I know, you don't like "random" releases 22:51:46 <Rubidium> so make a beta release 22:52:32 <planetmaker> I think beta releases only make sense, if one does a branched development as OpenTTD does 22:52:44 <planetmaker> otherwise it's just a matter of how things are called 22:52:51 <Ammler> planetmaker: even openttd doesn't branch for betas 22:52:57 <planetmaker> then one could call it 0.x.y and the next 0.x.(y+1) 22:53:09 <planetmaker> yes 22:54:36 <Ammler> I proposed nightly because that wouldn't need work from you 22:54:44 <Ammler> like updating changelog and such 22:56:09 <Ammler> you could also just do it and see how people react, maybe it worse then now 22:56:17 <Ammler> then we would know, not doing it anymore 23:54:42 <Ammler> planetmaker: maybe better to decode ttrs with -t?