Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 25th August 2010:
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06:07:39  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #1302 (New): alternative maglev sprites? (planetmaker) @
06:46:40  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #1299: Industries not using TTD strings when possible (andythenorth) @
06:49:06  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1236: 1 tile buffer should be ignored when player / scen... (andythenorth) @
06:58:13  <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Bug #1301 (Closed): templates for TTD/TTRS level crossings (planetmaker) @
06:58:13  <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Revision 145:0902fc2962d9: Fix #1301: New template for modern style LC in TTDP mo... (planetmaker) @
06:58:13  <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Bug #1301 (Closed): templates for TTD/TTRS level crossings (planetmaker) @
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07:10:35  <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Feature #1219: translations (planetmaker) @
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08:20:45  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1303 (Assigned): Include action14 strings into translations (planetmaker) @
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10:33:17  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1255:b4a91de63c4f: Fix: Add missing strings to remove_de... (Terkhen) @
10:33:17  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1256:3900647408d3: Change: Update spanish translation. (Terkhen) @
10:47:33  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #1299: Industries not using TTD strings when possible (Terkhen) @
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11:35:30  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #839: 4737-4742: Fizzy drink factory (2006TTD) @
11:37:53  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Bug #1230 (Closed): Toyland Buoy Follow up (2006TTD) @
11:39:03  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #883 (Closed): Office building improvement (2006TTD) @
11:40:19  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #1263: Toyland Rough Land (2006TTD) @
11:44:24  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #1263: Toyland Rough Land (planetmaker) @
11:48:16  <Ammler> planetmaker: I prefer red, but I won't post :-P
11:48:24  <Ammler> toyland is mainly your land ;-)
11:49:21  <planetmaker> Ammler, you said that you prefer red :-)
11:49:46  <Ammler> oh, there I said, we should at least try
11:49:47  <planetmaker> I respect that. But I don't like to implement something where I'm not convinced that it is a good decision
11:49:57  <Ammler> and now since I see them, I like it even more
11:49:59  <planetmaker> :-)
11:50:20  <planetmaker> I like to at least be able to play around with the versions
11:50:30  <Ammler> another green isn't really "brack"
11:50:42  <planetmaker> Maybe that can convince me. But not before I haven't seen my preferred one ingame as well.
11:50:49  <planetmaker> "brack"?
11:50:50  <Ammler> :-)
11:51:00  <Ammler> rough
11:51:16  <planetmaker> we are talking about exactly that one, don't we?
11:51:26  <planetmaker> we're not discussing stones there, or are we?
11:51:50  <planetmaker> stones have been proposed the gum drops. There the echo was rather mixed
11:52:02  <Ammler> I am not sure about those either
11:52:02  <planetmaker> And this is about rough. Which personally I'd like green.
11:52:10  <planetmaker> Maybe rocks can be red tiles. Maybe.
11:52:20  <Ammler> they are imo too less integrated in the terrain
11:52:31  <planetmaker> the gum drops?
11:52:37  <Ammler> joh
11:52:40  <planetmaker> yes, I'm not sure about them either
11:52:43  <planetmaker> anymore
11:52:48  <Ammler> :-)
11:52:56  <planetmaker> they will pose problems as they are ground tiles
11:53:04  <planetmaker> thus they should have little contour
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12:03:47  <planetmaker> I don't see a reason for any particular form of maglev sprites to be preferred
12:03:47  <Ammler> for me, it is more than improvement, if you change maglev to transrapid
12:03:47  <planetmaker> for technical or other reasons than 'looks best'
12:04:50  <planetmaker> You can still do that
12:04:50  <planetmaker> So why do you care?
12:06:04  <Ammler> I am not against it, I am just not sure, if opengfx is the right set for such things
12:06:04  <Ammler> same with water and specially with rivers
12:06:06  <planetmaker> What's up with that?
12:06:20  <Ammler> it looks completely different then in original
12:06:43  <planetmaker> Yes. So what?
12:06:43  <planetmaker> We are not TTD
12:06:43  <Ammler> rivers are ugly in original
12:07:16  <planetmaker> yes. And that shall be a reason to keep OpenGFX ugly?!?
12:07:16  <planetmaker> Honestly...
12:07:18  <Ammler> lol
12:07:36  <planetmaker> Most new people use OpenGFX.
12:08:18  <planetmaker> So make the best vanilla experience we can should be our mission
12:08:18  <planetmaker> Not "make the best copy of TTD sprites we can"
12:08:18  <Ammler> well, it might be the reason openttd doesn't support rivers.
12:08:44  <planetmaker> No
12:08:45  <planetmaker> And you know that
12:10:44  <Ammler> ok
12:10:44  <planetmaker> The base set doesn't provide more than is possible with river newgrfs. It cannot provide more
12:13:19  <Ammler> wow, 2006TTD starts to close tickets :-o
12:15:41  <Rubidium> Ammler: the reason openttd.grf doesn't have river sprites is because nobody ever made them, beside skidd13 but he wasn't satisfied with his work
12:16:10  <Ammler> Rubidium: yeah, and because openttd.grf doesn't have those, openttd doesn't support those :-)
12:16:30  <Ammler> else, someone might "push" you a bit more :-P
12:16:45  <Rubidium> though feel free to ask someone to draw them for OpenTTD as well
12:18:13  <Ammler> andy is the only ttd user I know which would be able to
12:19:23  <Ammler> Rubidium: or you could do it the other way around, support rivers and then some "TTD users" might fix the lack :-)
12:20:17  <Ammler> the opengfx rivers could also need some improvments, btw.
12:23:32  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #883: Office building improvement (Ammler) @
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13:00:48  <Brot6> Autopilot - Revision 85:afa938aed9c3: Fix #976: don't crash openttd with bang command starting wi... (Ammler) @
13:00:48  <Brot6> Autopilot - Bug #976 (Closed): Crash on !command-garbage (Ammler) @
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13:41:10  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #883: Office building improvement (2006TTD) @
14:04:33  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #1054: Incomplete cargo chains prior to certain dates - missi... (foobar) @
14:06:56  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #1054: Incomplete cargo chains prior to certain dates - missi... (andythenorth) @
14:09:43  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1236: 1 tile buffer should be ignored when player / scen... (foobar) @
14:12:52  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1257:a9ef645410ab: Fix (r1255): some defines were meant ... (Terkhen) @
14:16:18  <Brot6> Total Town Replacement Set - Feature Request #1287: FIRS compatible (foobar) @
14:22:16  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Support #1304 (Feedback): Mission statement (planetmaker) @
14:23:43  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Support #1304: Mission statement (planetmaker) @
14:32:59  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Support #1304: Mission statement (foobar) @
14:38:30  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #1302: alternative maglev sprites? (foobar) @
14:40:24  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #1302: alternative maglev sprites? (planetmaker) @
14:43:18  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Support #1304: Mission statement (planetmaker) @
15:19:27  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 675:1d598068c8c1: Feature: parse the parameter description block ... (yexo) @
15:19:27  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 676:57ccb825f186: Feature: write the action 14 for the parameter ... (yexo) @
15:21:50  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature #1174 (New): Action 14 support (yexo) @
15:21:50  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature #1174: Action 14 support (yexo) @
15:27:47  <planetmaker> \o/
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15:33:43  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Revision 589:3e5628db5ab3: Fix: Running costs now should apply correctly to the m... (DJNekkid) @
15:42:23  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Revision 590:58010b9a079f: Fix: #1284 (DJNekkid) @
15:42:23  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #1284 (Closed): Few graphic bugs - r586 (DJNekkid) @
15:43:45  <DJNekkid> :D
15:44:46  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1305 (New): Detect missing strings (Terkhen) @
15:44:46  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Support #1290 (Closed): Corrected VL85 sprites (DJNekkid) @
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15:46:04  <DJNekkid> planetmaker: my 2cc-set wont build
15:46:59  <Ammler> DJNekkid: you might need to clean because dep check changed
15:47:14  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Revision 591:e2019c035f5f: Fix: Add newline at EOF of mus.txt.pnfo (DJNekkid) @
15:47:44  <DJNekkid> still does not do the trick
15:48:08  <Ammler> what is the error?
15:48:09  <DJNekkid> and lots of # <number> <"stdin"> etc is added to the .nfo file
15:48:21  <DJNekkid> [thomas@dhcppc6 2ccset-]$ make
15:48:21  <DJNekkid> [DEPEND] Makefile.dep
15:48:21  <DJNekkid> mdep dep check
15:48:21  <DJNekkid> [CPP] 2cctrainset.nfo
15:48:21  <DJNekkid> [NFORENUM] 2cctrainset.nfo
15:48:23  <DJNekkid> /bin/sh: nforenum: command not found
15:48:24  <DJNekkid> Fatal nforenum error!
15:48:26  <DJNekkid> make: *** [2cctrainset.nfo] Error 1
15:48:39  <Ammler> [17:48] <DJNekkid> /bin/sh: nforenum: command not found <-- not clear?
15:48:50  <DJNekkid> lol
15:49:03  <DJNekkid> but how did that happen?
15:49:13  <DJNekkid> it worked in ... 586 or something :)
15:49:42  <DJNekkid> 585 i guess
15:50:25  <Ammler> you have it still in ~/bin?
15:50:41  <Ammler> ls -l ~/bin
15:50:43  <DJNekkid> pulling a new renum
15:50:56  <Ammler> ah, you don't build self?
15:51:03  <DJNekkid> yes i do
15:51:08  <DJNekkid> pulling/building .)
15:52:25  <DJNekkid> i guess its because nforenum didnt work in <r585
15:52:40  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 677:1e9cf9ba1d24: Fix: make sure action14 is printed before action8 (yexo) @
15:52:40  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 678:c15807f9ea54: Fix: update regression tests (yexo) @
15:53:14  <DJNekkid> and yasc (yet another stupid question)
15:53:19  <DJNekkid> how do a rename a symlink?
15:53:30  <DJNekkid> as my symlink is called "renum" and not "nforenum"
15:53:47  <Ammler> mv renum nforenum
15:54:14  <Ammler> or ln -s renum nforenum to keep both :-)
15:54:33  <DJNekkid> :D
15:54:40  <DJNekkid> i mv'ed it :)
15:54:48  <DJNekkid> and now it did build :D
16:04:45  <planetmaker> <DJNekkid> pulling a new renum <-- it's called nforenum now ;-)
16:05:36  <DJNekkid> apparently :D
16:08:45  <planetmaker> hm, I really wonder how I can explain George in simple words as a cake-walk how DevZone (-projects) work
16:08:48  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1258:dfcd20bd0ea8: Translation: fix a typo in Dutch tran... (foobar) @
16:09:09  <planetmaker> and whether he can / will install the requirements
16:09:16  <planetmaker> which are not nothing
16:10:21  <DJNekkid> hes english is really poor?
16:13:50  <planetmaker> it's not bad
16:14:27  <planetmaker> But I think he puts a lot of effort in it :-)
16:18:23  <DJNekkid> oki :D
16:20:33  <Brot6> 2cctrainset: update from r588 to r591 done (47 errors) -
16:21:23  <Brot6> firs: update from r1250 to r1258 done -
16:21:46  <Brot6> newgrf_makefile: update from r162 to r164 done -
16:22:58  <Brot6> nml: update from r673 to r678 done -
16:23:27  <Brot6> swedishrails: compile of r146 failed -
16:23:32  <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 32bpp-extra (r38), airportsplus (r53), basecosts (r20), comic-houses (r71), fish (r387), grfcodec (r234), heqs (r372), metrotrackset (r56), nforenum (r474), nutracks (r98), ogfxplus (r41), opengfx (r502), openmsx (r97), opensfx (r97), snowlinemod (r36), transrapidtrackset (r15), ttdviewer (r25), worldairlinersset (r663)
16:24:22  <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Revision 146:d57bfce3b090: Fix: Add important parts of the Makefile (planetmaker) @
16:24:24  <DJNekkid> beta4-time? :)
16:24:41  <Ammler> 47 errors :-P
16:25:06  <Brot6> swedishrails: compile of r146 failed -
16:25:14  <Brot6> Following repos rebuilds successful without any difference to earlier nightlies builds: ogfxplus (Diffsize: 6)
16:25:43  <DJNekkid> of witch 41 is white error, and 6 of them is "sprite not used"
16:26:05  <Ammler> ok :-)
16:26:47  <planetmaker> so 41 easy fixes :-)
16:27:12  <DJNekkid> i'll poke voyager1 :)
16:27:35  <planetmaker> DJNekkid, open in gimp, select white, use eraser, done
16:27:44  <Ammler> planetmaker: DevZone is one step, the Makefile framework another
16:27:55  <Ammler> specially since it doesn't work on windows anymore
16:28:01  <planetmaker> Ammler, true. And good point
16:28:12  <planetmaker> Two steps :-)
16:28:31  <Ammler> people don't need to use the Makefile Framework to make their sources public
16:28:39  <planetmaker> of course not
16:28:48  <Ammler> it would be nice on a longer view :-)
16:29:01  <planetmaker> But he'd have to get used to hg
16:29:27  <planetmaker> And I wouldn't mind, if there'd be a batch file / perl scripts
16:29:31  <planetmaker> (he uses both)
16:29:53  <Ammler> yeah, the build script is very easy customizeable
16:30:00  <Ammler> e.g. my :-)
16:30:21  <planetmaker> nah. That'll remain make ;-)
16:31:46  <DJNekkid> i can provide him with a linux screen if he needs one
16:32:14  <Ammler> he :-)
16:32:17  <Ammler> you mean shell
16:33:06  <Ammler> or with vnc?
16:35:09  <DJNekkid> whatever he needs :)
16:36:00  <DJNekkid> brb, puter needs to reboot
16:39:39  <DJNekkid> there
16:40:18  <DJNekkid> Kristines phone needs a software update...
16:40:35  <DJNekkid> and for that i needed to install some nokia software
16:42:24  <planetmaker> lol
16:42:41  <DJNekkid> and that needed a reboot
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17:12:10  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Support #1304: Mission statement (Ammler) @
17:25:38  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Support #1304: Mission statement (planetmaker) @
17:42:02  <Brot6> NFORenum - Revision 475:09a83e2cf22c: Fix: don't use extern "C" for something that will be compil... (Rubidium) @
17:49:31  <Brot6> GRFCodec - Revision 235:27f7db122a78: Fix: don't try to use the external getopt (Rubidium) @
17:49:31  <Brot6> GRFCodec - Revision 236:bb618fe3202d: Change: sync getopt with nforenum's getopt (Rubidium) @
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18:04:53  <Brot6> GRFCodec - Revision 237:17fe38ab9c56: Fix: compilation on Cygwin (Rubidium) @
18:07:09  <Brot6> NFORenum - Revision 476:9c44eb7bd416: Fix: compile error with Cygwin (Rubidium) @
18:20:46  <Ammler> tables.or: tables.res
18:20:48  <Ammler>         rm -f tables.ppu tables.o tables.or
18:20:54  <Ammler> what does that do in the Makefile?
18:21:25  <Ammler>
18:21:51  <Ammler> tables.or does need tables.res
18:21:58  <Ammler> and then it deletes the other files?
18:23:09  <Alberth> even better, it also deletes the target
18:23:39  <Alberth> evening, btw :)
18:23:49  <Ammler> and that is good?
18:23:58  <Ammler> I am quite confused
18:24:08  <planetmaker> hello Alberth
18:24:13  <Alberth> I would think not, but I didn't write the makefile
18:24:22  <Alberth> hello planetmaker
18:24:46  <Alberth> you must be quite busy with the new planets :)
18:25:01  <planetmaker> oh yes :-)
18:25:12  <frosch123> Ammler: i guess that is some workaround for broken dependency checking in freepascal
18:25:19  <frosch123> no idea whether it is still needed
18:25:23  <planetmaker> They found probably a planet which weighs only 40% more than Earth. 140LY away
18:25:53  <Alberth> that means sort of equal gravity, right?
18:25:54  <Ammler> frosch123: I try to manually execute the steps
18:25:58  <frosch123> basically, if the source ".res" is newer than the final ".or", then delete the intermediate files to force rebuild
18:26:10  <Ammler> there is mingw64
18:26:21  <Ammler> but it still fails with fpc
18:26:42  <frosch123> afaik fpc can only deal with the 32bit resources, and it works for me :)
18:27:03  <frosch123> and if it does not work for everyone, i guess the best solution is to remove the need for them
18:27:36  <Ammler> well, I was just wondering, if I am able to get it running with mingw64
18:27:44  <Ammler> so this didn't help either
18:33:58  <planetmaker> well, it doesn't tell anything about gravity, only about mass (weight is actually incorrect above)
18:35:17  <planetmaker> gravity is proportional to both, density and inversely to the squar of the radius
18:35:24  <planetmaker> +e
18:35:39  <planetmaker> But we know that the planet is too hot ;-)
18:37:07  <planetmaker> like... one year there lasts 24 hours ;-)
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18:40:33  <Alberth> finally a planet where you can become 10000 years easily :p
18:44:21  <Ammler> frosch123: WORKS! :-)
18:44:33  <frosch123> \o/
18:44:34  <Ammler> with fpc 2.4 instead 2.2
18:44:40  <frosch123> :o
18:44:54  <Ammler> yeah, you do use that too :-P
18:45:09  <frosch123> yup, i never had 2.2 on 64 bit
18:45:22  <Ammler> seems like they fixed some 64bit errors between :-)
18:49:16  <Brot6> Metro Track Set - Support #1280: New version of the makefile setup available (foobar) @
18:53:37  <Brot6> Grf2Html - Feature #1306 (New): Add more locations for default configuration files (frosch) @
18:59:20  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1259:fd1754950026: Feature #1305: script to detect missi... (foobar) @
19:01:26  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1305: Detect missing strings (foobar) @
19:01:26  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1305 (Feedback): Detect missing strings (foobar) @
19:09:42  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1260:26c23bc8d2bd: Codechange: undefine all defined strings (foobar) @
19:17:31  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #1299: Industries not using TTD strings when possible (foobar) @
19:19:08  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1303: Include action14 strings into translations (foobar) @
19:19:45  <andythenorth> FooBar: :)
19:19:49  <andythenorth> commits
19:20:01  <FooBar> mostly updated issues ;)
19:20:19  <FooBar> just 2 of them are actual commits
19:55:25  <Ammler> where shall I put the grf2html page?
19:55:57  <Ammler><project>/grf2hml/index.html or somewhere else?
19:55:58  <frosch123> ?
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19:56:21  <Ammler> or how to call it
19:56:26  <Ammler> docs?
19:57:00  <frosch123> oh, depends what you want to generate
19:57:17  <frosch123> i.e. only keep latest nightly? or for every nightly? or for releases?
19:57:30  <Ammler> only keep one
19:57:47  <Ammler> opengfx is around 100MB :-)
19:58:06  <frosch123> so there would be subfolder "releases", "nightlies", and "grf2html"
19:58:12  <planetmaker> :-O
19:58:18  <Ammler> hmm, no
19:58:22  <frosch123> i do not like the "docs" term, it sounds like "user manual"
19:58:47  <frosch123> i would not be surprised by 100MB disk usage on certain file systems
19:59:05  <frosch123> grf2html creates tonnes of small files
19:59:09  <Alberth> 'notes' :)
19:59:30  <Ammler><project>/nightlies/newgrf/index.html
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20:02:26  <frosch123> well, i guess unless you want to link to single sprites, grfhtml output is quite useless for ogfx (except the extra) :p
20:03:14  <Ammler> is btw. 1>/file 2>&1 the same as >file ?
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20:03:26  <Rubidium> no
20:03:38  <Ammler> latter is like 1>file?
20:03:44  <Rubidium> yes
20:03:50  <Ammler> ok, thanks :-)
20:03:53  <frosch123> it is the same as >& file, iirc
20:09:39  <Brot6> firs: update from r1258 to r1260 done -
20:10:52  <Ammler> <-- does that kill your browser and our server? :-)
20:11:11  <frosch123> let's try
20:12:08  <frosch123> oh, btw. i read foobar was committing stuff today :) maybe add a action14 to set the palette :)
20:12:29  <Ammler> do you assume windows, if not defined?
20:12:46  <FooBar> isn't same as base set assumed if not defined?
20:13:07  <Ammler> that is openttd
20:13:09  <frosch123> Ammler: you can set the default via commandline or grf2html.ini
20:13:16  <planetmaker> it slows down considerably my download ;-)
20:13:17  <frosch123> but i have to look up the default :)
20:13:19  <Ammler> I meant grf2html frosch :-)
20:14:31  <Ammler> FooBar: BUG!
20:14:40  <Ammler> :-)
20:17:03  <Ammler> frosch123: not using tables might speed up loading of html drastically
20:17:14  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1261:b0e22c4f5a9e: Feature: set palette in action 14 (foobar) @
20:17:39  <frosch123> ah, yes, win palette is default
20:17:49  <frosch123> Ammler: what else?
20:17:54  <Ammler> uls
20:17:56  <Ammler> li
20:18:04  <Ammler> divs
20:18:08  <Ammler> span
20:18:12  <Ammler> dunno :-)
20:18:30  <frosch123> maybe html5?
20:18:35  <Ammler> the issue is that it now needs to load the whole content
20:18:39  <Ammler> :-)
20:19:01  <frosch123> they deprecated frames :/ i have no idea how to add independent scrollable stuff which links between each other
20:19:27  <frosch123> well, they did not deprecate it (it already was), but removed it :p
20:19:46  <Ammler> divs can be scrolled too
20:19:54  <frosch123> Ammler: anyway, loading worked fine at my side :)
20:20:35  <frosch123> Ammler: my html knowledge was up-to-date around year 2000
20:20:52  <FooBar> Ammler: this should fix it:
20:20:54  <frosch123> did not learn any html in past 10 years :p
20:21:41  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1262:f598159de310: Fix: 00 too many in one of the action... (foobar) @
20:21:46  <Rubidium> frosch123: just declare it HTML4.0/FRAMESET
20:21:49  <Ammler> shall we report that to nforenum as bug?
20:21:58  <Ammler> that grf2hml found that?
20:22:04  <FooBar> go ahead
20:22:24  <Ammler> frosch123: or maybe you could pipe such errors to stderr and we make a sep error log?
20:22:29  <frosch123> Ammler: i guess dalestan would say, that trailing bytes are completely valid :)
20:22:40  <FooBar> I was actually doing completely other stuff, now look what happened ;)
20:23:57  <FooBar> trailing bytes are completely valid, that was proven by the weird action 3 I fixed a couple of days ago. That had a LOT of trailing bytes and neither nforenum nor openttd complained about that
20:24:12  <frosch123> grf2html complained about it :p
20:24:22  <FooBar> maybe report it as bug to grf2html ;)
20:24:42  <frosch123> i know better bugs :p
20:24:49  <FooBar> :)
20:24:59  <Ammler> :-D
20:25:28  <frosch123> hmm, actually, that reminds me of something else...
20:25:36  <FooBar> I don't mind nforenum reporting trailing bytes as minor warning, as there's absolutely no reason to have those (except in action 0C and the odd exception)
20:25:43  <frosch123> maybe i should try to fix the vulnerability of grfcodec...
20:26:20  <Ammler> frosch123: it is btw. still a 32bit windres
20:26:30  <Ammler> just specially made fro x86_64
20:27:14  <Ammler>
20:27:34  <Ammler> /usr/bin/x86_64-pc-mingw32-windres
20:30:50  <frosch123> that spec has some "bugs" :)
20:31:34  <frosch123> the references mentioned by rb before, and it is actually gpl v3+
20:31:56  <frosch123> though i wondered about relicensing it to v2 or v2+ like everything else
20:32:09  <Ammler> oh :-(
20:32:17  <Ammler> and rb already said?
20:32:43  <frosch123> yup, yesterday rb made fun of those [1] and "see sections 6 and 7" :p
20:32:59  <Ammler> ah, hmm
20:33:24  <Ammler> then write an nicer "About" :-P
20:33:32  <frosch123> :p
20:34:00  <frosch123> also weird that you have to use libpng-devel for older suse
20:34:12  <frosch123> i.e. that is was not names libpng12 also before
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20:36:13  <Ammler> it is
20:36:19  <Ammler> hmm
20:36:49  <Ammler> unresolvable: nothing provides libpng12-devel
20:36:54  <Ammler> it isn't :-)
20:37:18  <Ammler> there is libpng12
20:37:22  <Ammler> but not libpng12-devel
20:37:27  <frosch123> :)
20:37:43  <frosch123> does it actualy need the -devel package?
20:37:56  <Ammler> hmm
20:38:20  <frosch123> fpc comes with its own header files anyway
20:38:52  <Ammler> Linking grf2html
20:38:54  <Ammler> /usr/bin/ld: warning: link.res contains output sections; did you forget -T?
20:38:55  <Ammler> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lpng12
20:39:50  <frosch123> there is no anymore?
20:40:03  <frosch123> why would that be provided by the -devel package?
20:40:55  <Ammler> I need that for openttd too
20:41:18  <Ammler> but only for building btw.
20:41:22  <Rubidium> frosch123: just use `pkg-config libpng --cflags` and the like
20:41:51  <frosch123> hmm, interesting. libpng12 provides and -devel provides
20:42:25  <frosch123> Rubidium: it is not c :p
20:43:27  <Rubidium> then use it to fudge the link stuff :)
20:44:03  <Ammler>  	 libpng12-0
20:44:10  <frosch123> and how would it tell pkg-config to use libpng12, instead of libpng14 ?
20:44:17  <Ammler>
20:44:25  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #1299: Industries not using TTD strings when possible (Terkhen) @
20:46:22  <frosch123> oh, pkg-config libpng12 actually works
20:47:44  * andythenorth plays the game
20:48:02  <Ammler> Lego?
20:54:08  <andythenorth> no the real game :)
20:54:21  <andythenorth> I patched so all towns need food :)
20:56:35  <Ammler> planetmaker: you missed the FAIL for ser?
20:58:26  <Ammler> mäh, no other set has a commit since 18:18?
21:21:47  <Brot6> Grf2Html - Feature #1307 (New): Print errors to stderr (frosch) @
21:21:55  <frosch123> opening tasks on redmine is quite nice actually, just closing involves so much work
21:22:05  <planetmaker> how so, frosch123 ?
21:22:11  <frosch123> :p
21:22:19  <planetmaker> oh, that way :-P
21:22:50  <Ammler> yeah, Brot6 would also announce commits to that svn repo :-P
21:23:11  <Ammler> not very realtimeish though
21:24:38  <Ammler> frosch123: if I could set prios, #1307 would be nice one
21:25:05  <Ammler> or is that trailing "00" the only error it finds and nforenum doesn't?
21:25:40  <frosch123> renum should generally find more errors than grf2html
21:26:04  <frosch123> though grf2html does not have a mechanism to disable warnings :p
21:26:53  <frosch123> usually the most often error is "realsprite expected" when putting bogus pseudo sprites in unused action1 slots
21:27:02  <frosch123> (e.g. purchase list vehicle sprites)
21:27:31  <Ammler> grf2html has issues to output recolor sprites
21:27:51  <frosch123> in ogfx?
21:27:54  <Ammler> yes
21:28:23  <frosch123> it only outputs them inside action1/5/a
21:28:41  <frosch123> it is not exactly meant for grfs
21:29:04  <frosch123> though maybe it could check the first sprite to distinguish grfs from newgrfs
21:29:54  <andythenorth> good night
21:31:07  <Brot6> Grf2Html - Feature #1308 (New): Detects base graphics and output recolour sprites in them (frosch) @
21:32:11  <frosch123> i wonder whether i should actually do #1298 for the svn repo, or rather switch to hg...
21:36:21  <Ammler> hehe, then the nightly integration would be easy, I just wondered, if I need to add external repo support :-)
21:37:24  <Ammler> well, I could already run my script
21:38:10  <frosch123> i already tried hgsvn some time ago :)
21:38:37  <Ammler> well, I would try hg convert first
21:38:48  <frosch123> anyway, if there is an immediate benefit for anyone (i.e. you), that is actually reason enough to switch :)
21:38:51  <Ammler> that should work in most cases
21:39:22  <Ammler> frosch123: well, if you add features without a release :-)
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21:39:54  <frosch123> Ammler: once there are nightlies, there is no point in a release
21:40:02  <frosch123> same for ttdviewer
21:40:21  <frosch123> a release for those two has always been only some manually compiled nightly
21:40:26  <Ammler> anyway, uploading to obs is much more effort then simply let devzone make nightlies and make the package depend on it
21:40:31  <frosch123> once there is an automatic one there is no point in them
21:41:15  <frosch123> well, except you do likely not cross-compile for windows, do you? :p
21:41:29  <Ammler> I wouldn't care
21:41:40  <Ammler> I just would need a "howto" :-)
21:41:59  <Ammler> the mingw packages are there
21:42:25  <Ammler> or you can ask rubi to make those :-P
21:43:19  <Rubidium> wut?
21:43:51  <frosch123> Ammler: well, i compiled grf2html for windows always with delphi up to now :)
21:44:08  <Ammler> delphi is a windows app?
21:44:13  <frosch123> yes
21:44:13  <Ammler> only
21:44:31  <frosch123> and the delphi version does not use libpng, but some non-free thingie
21:45:37  <Ammler> since rubi makes so nice windows bins, I never cared about cross compiling...
21:46:16  <frosch123> but grf2html is not c :p
21:46:20  <Ammler> but as we have full mingw support, it might not be really hard.
21:46:41  <Ammler> dunno, how fpc supports
21:46:55  <frosch123> fpc is said to be able to crosscompile
21:47:05  <frosch123> as it does assembling and linking itself anyway
21:47:11  <Ammler> so then it is all up to your Makefile?
21:47:20  <frosch123> but i have no idea whether it manages to link libpng for windows
21:47:59  <Ammler> if you are able to build it on your linux, it shouldn't be an issue to build it here
21:49:21  <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Revision 147:3db953c01627: Fix: custom_tags.txt wasn't automatically (re-)created... (planetmaker) @
21:50:55  <Brot6> Example NewGRF Project - Revision 165:64d5811e578f: Fix: [NML] custom_tags.txt wasn't generated (planetmaker) @
21:59:22  <frosch123> night
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22:10:28  <Ammler> test #280
22:10:29  <Brot6> Ammler: #280 is "OpenGFX - Bug #280: standard signals - #openttdcoop Development Zone"
22:11:07  <Ammler> maybe spamy :-)
22:11:14  <Ammler> test r123
22:17:36  <Rubidium> r123 of what?
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22:40:18  <Ammler> well, it is good, that it doesn't :-)
22:41:45  <Ammler> I could define the "main" project
22:42:02  <Ammler> but we don't have such, hmm, or openttd
22:44:59  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Support #1304: Mission statement (athanasios) @
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22:50:30  <Ammler> r502 fixed #280 :-)
22:50:30  <Brot6> Ammler: r502 is "Revision 502:d359a364ffb1"
22:50:31  <Brot6> Ammler: #280 is "OpenGFX - Bug #280: standard signals - #openttdcoop Development Zone"
22:51:35  <Ammler> that is bad, imo :-)
22:52:44  <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Feature #1219: translations (yexo) @
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