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00:05:52 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Support #1304: Mission statement (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1304#change-3487 00:08:25 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 00:13:12 <Ammler> also if redmine would have a "frontend" to configure the compile settings etc., we still need to save those things, the project repo is good place for it 00:19:13 <planetmaker> well, the project settings page would be better ;-) 00:20:05 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/settings <-- like an additional tab there called 'compile farm' or so :-) 00:20:15 <planetmaker> but as long as such plug-in does not exist :-) 01:11:04 *** Seberoth has quit IRC 01:57:03 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 04:59:41 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #1263: Toyland Rough Land (2006TTD) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1263#change-3488 06:06:05 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Support #1304: Mission statement (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1304#change-3489 06:44:27 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #1319: Koncar KDMV (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1319#change-3490 07:01:59 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Webster 07:06:48 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1324 (New): Translations: support OpenTTD string format ... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1324 07:10:55 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1270:81be007a8c35: Fix: remove a warning in param_transl... (Terkhen) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/81be007a8c35 07:37:11 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1271:3ec1a2230ec3: Fix: Mode of language check script (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/3ec1a2230ec3 07:37:11 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1272:cc9d211f7515: Change: Update German translation (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/cc9d211f7515 07:41:06 * Rubidium wonders how pedantic Germans are w.r.t. missing <"occupation">in when both males and females are meant; I seem to remember lots of "$(i)en und $(i)innen" from the news 07:42:38 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1273:93cf142f33ed: Change: Update spanish translation. (Terkhen) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/93cf142f33ed 07:42:48 <planetmaker> That depends. It's usual to use the male form, except if one wants to be really 'political correct' 07:44:06 <planetmaker> After all Mrs Merkel is also Bundeskanzler. Not Bundeskanzlerin 07:46:18 <planetmaker> feminists will tell you differently, though 07:47:09 <Rubidium> actually the female form for lots of occupations in Dutch seems to be disappearing 07:47:33 <planetmaker> really? Hm 07:49:27 <Rubidium> but with German being more "pure" (less words from foreign languages) it might be harder to get rid of for you 07:50:22 <Terkhen> in spain they are inventing new ones 07:51:41 <Rubidium> e.g. I wouldn't know the female form for "stratenmaker", but I'd simply guess it's "Straßenbauerin" in German 07:52:02 <planetmaker> hm... seems I forgot strings in my translation update to FIRS :S 07:52:41 <planetmaker> Rubidium: Those usually are (Straßen-)Bauarbeiter. So it would be (Straßen-)Bauarbeiterin 07:53:24 <planetmaker> except you mean the planning / project management. Then it's like Straßenbauingenieurin 07:53:59 <Rubidium> nope, I mean the person that physically places the stones on the (usually) sand 07:54:12 <planetmaker> Bauarbeiterin then :-) 07:54:32 * Rubidium blames wikipedia :) 07:54:34 <planetmaker> but... that's unusual 07:54:43 <planetmaker> hm? what does it say? 07:54:51 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1305: Detect missing strings (Terkhen) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1305#change-3491 07:54:55 <Rubidium> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pflasterer#Deutschland:_Stra.C3.9Fenbauer.2C_Garten-_und_Landschaftsbauer 07:54:56 <Webster> Title: Pflasterer – Wikipedia (at de.wikipedia.org) 07:55:22 <Rubidium> or I've just picked the wrong word :) 07:55:57 <Rubidium> interesting is that the occupation is only in the Dutch and German wikipedia's 07:56:08 <planetmaker> uh... well. Both words, Straßenbauer and Pflasterer seem to exist 07:56:18 <planetmaker> But... not in normal-day language 07:56:44 <planetmaker> That's the very much to the point description of what might be written on the exam of those people, though 07:57:09 <planetmaker> the burocratic words :-) 07:57:32 <Rubidium> maybe because this a basically a specific case of "road workers", where road workers include those that lay tarmac/asfalt roads 07:58:27 <planetmaker> yeah 07:59:10 <planetmaker> Though the person doing the same in your backyard would still rather be called 'Gärtner' or maybe 'Landschaftsgestalter' ;-) 07:59:40 <planetmaker> though the latter is again IMHO a funny word which cannot hide its burocratic origin 08:02:40 <Rubidium> yup 08:03:07 <Rubidium> though I'm not sure whether every one of those "stupid" words is burocratic 08:03:27 <planetmaker> Probably not every 08:03:59 <planetmaker> And somewhat it probably needs a name to distinguish from each other the different educations those people receive 08:04:02 <planetmaker> Still :-) 08:04:39 <Rubidium> "interieurverzorger" (lit. interior care taker) which is just the "schoonmaker" cleaner/cleaning lady 08:04:58 <Rubidium> that words comes from the industry as "schoonmaker" has a bad vibe or something 08:05:31 <planetmaker> yeah. Raumpfleger vs. Putz[e|frau|kraft] 08:06:13 <planetmaker> I've never heart Putzmann, though; Putzfrau is a usual word on the other hand 08:07:15 <planetmaker> And one shouldn't use "Putze" when such person is present ;-) 08:07:53 <planetmaker> oh. Reinigungskraft is also commonly used, if it is not Raumpfleger 08:12:20 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:50:43 <Ammler> nmlc: Unknown string command: 'VERSION' 08:50:52 <Ammler> what is broken, if I get that? 08:51:19 <Ammler> Hello all :-) 08:52:36 <planetmaker> moin Ammler :-) 08:52:55 <planetmaker> Ammler, that should be a problem with missing / insufficient 'custom_tags.txt' 08:53:10 <planetmaker> which *should* be generated 08:53:20 <planetmaker> automatically. Might be that it isn't properly 08:53:22 <Ammler> > cat custom-tags.txt 08:53:23 <Ammler> VERSION: r 08:53:28 <planetmaker> hm 08:53:35 <planetmaker> which newgrf? 08:53:48 <Ammler> swisstowns.grf :-) 08:54:06 <planetmaker> :-) 08:54:28 <planetmaker> which makefile version? 08:54:55 <planetmaker> I probably should tag the current tip as 0.4.1 or 0.5... 08:54:57 <Ammler> none, only bash, I thought would be an idea to "test" nml without :-) 08:55:27 <planetmaker> aye 08:56:00 <planetmaker> oh. It's "custom_tags.txt". Not "custom-tags.txt" 08:56:03 <planetmaker> ^ Ammler 08:56:37 <Ammler> http://pastebin.com/S5qEeVu2 08:57:08 <planetmaker> yes. Use the correct filename ;-) 08:57:15 <Ammler> yes, that was it, thanks :-) 08:57:21 <Ammler> majonaise! 08:57:48 <planetmaker> :-) 09:07:54 *** thgergo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 09:24:35 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #1255: Gumdrops (2006TTD) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1255#change-3492 09:26:17 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #1255: Gumdrops (2006TTD) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1255#change-3492 09:30:08 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #1255: Gumdrops (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1255#change-3493 09:46:15 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #1255: Gumdrops (2006TTD) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1255#change-3494 09:49:35 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Support #1304: Mission statement (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1304#change-3495 09:55:46 <Ammler> does nmlc "trim" strings? 09:55:55 <planetmaker> in what way? 09:56:13 <Ammler> might not matter at all 09:56:15 <planetmaker> not that I know of 09:56:25 <Ammler> well, I have strings like "Amden " 09:56:42 <planetmaker> that shouldn't be trimmed. 09:56:50 <planetmaker> it's your chosen string after all 09:57:18 <Ammler> I wouldn't care :-) 09:58:20 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #1255: Gumdrops (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1255#change-3496 09:58:22 <planetmaker> I would care if it trimed strings for no good reason 10:05:38 <Ammler> hmm, is there a reason, you like trailing space? 10:06:05 <Rubidium> booh... can't say he lives in a trailer camp 10:06:16 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #1255: Gumdrops (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1255#change-3496 10:07:02 <planetmaker> Ammler, nope ;-) 10:07:40 <planetmaker> but in the case you describe it would be part of a name. And then it might be intended. 10:08:16 <planetmaker> though... not sure :-) 10:25:27 <Ammler> mäh 10:25:36 <Ammler> awk uses spaces as delimeter? 10:27:35 <Ammler> -F'\t' 10:38:07 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:40:54 <Ammler> text("Zürich", 64), 10:40:55 <Ammler> } 10:41:02 <Ammler> worth a bug report? 10:41:16 <Ammler> last part does end with "," but I assume it shouldn't 10:51:10 <planetmaker> hm? 10:51:54 <Ammler> my generated list has a comma at the end of every entry, also the last, nml should be able to handle that, shouldn't? 10:53:14 <Ammler> http://pastebin.com/1vfkcpGE <-- my workaround :-) 10:55:08 <planetmaker> I don't think it should 10:55:28 <planetmaker> though it might be nice. Rather 'feature' than 'bug' IMHO, though 10:58:48 <Ammler> very nice, nml is 10:59:16 <planetmaker> yep :-) 10:59:34 <planetmaker> It's really the same step like from assembler to C 10:59:46 <planetmaker> like from TTDP source to OpenTTD source ;-) 11:00:16 <Brot6> repository /home/ottdc/hg-repos/swisstowns registered in Redmine with url /home/ottdc/hg-repos/swisstowns 11:00:16 <Brot6> repository /home/ottdc/hg-repos/swisstowns created 11:00:27 <Ammler> wouldn't it be better to move the reference to the wiki 11:00:33 <planetmaker> hm, wasn't there a Swiss town repo already? 11:00:39 <Ammler> so non-devs can help there 11:00:50 <Ammler> planetmaker: svn :-) 11:00:53 <planetmaker> oh 11:00:55 <planetmaker> :-) 11:01:12 <planetmaker> re docu: Ammler, maybe yes 11:01:20 <Ammler> also current wiki seems a bit outdated 11:01:26 <planetmaker> which wiki? 11:02:04 <Ammler> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/wiki 11:02:55 <planetmaker> he. 11:03:01 <planetmaker> It surely is, yes 11:04:01 <planetmaker> The included reference document is the authoritive document 11:09:21 <Ammler> is that in the sence of the nml devs? 11:09:30 <Ammler> only they do edit the reference? 11:09:34 <Brot6> Swiss Town Names - Revision 0:474ce4415edb: Initial commit with small group (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/swisstowns/repository/revisions/474ce4415edb 11:10:21 <planetmaker> No, that's not the intend. 11:10:31 <planetmaker> But it's a logical place to supply information :-) 11:17:22 <Ammler> well, town names for real names were already easy in nfo 11:17:35 <Ammler> it is now just.. dunno 11:17:54 <Brot6> Swiss Town Names - Revision 1:41ff78667190: Fix: it is custom_tags.txt (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/swisstowns/repository/revisions/41ff78667190 11:21:01 <Ammler> wouldn't it make sense to use the same file names for the languages as openttd 11:21:08 <Ammler> and not care about the language id? 11:24:18 <planetmaker> you can do that. the important information is afaik the langID within 11:24:21 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1274:1f33bf1e0d69: Change: Beautify the main text file a... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/1f33bf1e0d69 11:24:33 <planetmaker> you can also call them blubber.lng and bestlang.lng 11:24:53 <planetmaker> look at se rails :-) 11:25:15 <planetmaker> wait. Don't look. It's not there yet :-P 11:25:18 <Ammler> yeah 11:25:29 <planetmaker> Just in my local repos ;-) 11:25:33 <Ammler> but why not "force" to use the same as openttd? 11:25:39 <planetmaker> why? 11:25:46 <Ammler> and forget the langid 11:26:05 <planetmaker> have you looked in an OpenTTD lang file? 11:26:06 <Ammler> why do I need to know that id? 11:26:51 <Ammler> ok :-) 11:26:54 <Rubidium> Ammler: in OpenTTD the language file's name is of totally no concern to the workings of OpenTTD (besides loading the setting from the configuration) 11:27:20 <planetmaker> what *could* be done is to replace the langID by the official language abbrev. like de_DE or de_CH or alike 11:27:25 <Ammler> ##grflangid 0x02 11:27:30 <planetmaker> which then NML could associate with the langID 11:27:35 <Rubidium> in OpenTTD there are three (unique) identifiers for a language; the isocode, grflangid and winlangid 11:27:56 <planetmaker> then one could already make a German and a Swiss NewGRF and just re-compile when OpenTTD should ever support that ;-) 11:28:30 <Ammler> well, openttd does support that :-) 11:28:54 <Rubidium> the isocode isn't used for NewGRF selection 11:30:15 <Rubidium> the isocode is only used for font selection (same with winlangid) 11:30:37 <Rubidium> the grflangid is only used to identify what GRF language id is associated with that language in OpenTTD 11:31:13 <Rubidium> ofcourse you can add a mapping to NML's code 11:31:56 <Rubidium> though in that case I propose that the "old" style is still possible, so new languages can be supported without the need for a newer NML 11:33:10 <planetmaker> right. That would be an advantage. 11:34:03 <planetmaker> s/would be/is/ 11:34:48 <Rubidium> you could then even support things like "dutch" and "german" as it's just a few more entries in the "conversion" table 11:34:57 <planetmaker> :-) 11:48:38 <Ammler> hmm, did the openttd code change for town generator 11:49:57 <Ammler> it seems somehow, that probabilities doesn't have same effect anmyore 11:50:41 <Rubidium> not that I'm aware of 11:51:02 <planetmaker> Ammler, also with your old code, if you just set an improbable high value for one town name? 11:51:35 <Ammler> hmm, yeah, I checked my old nfo grf 11:51:38 <Ammler> same there 11:51:49 <Ammler> but maybe it is my memory 11:51:53 <Ammler> bad* 11:55:11 <Brot6> Swiss Town Names - Revision 2:5e8b0cdd6ebe: Change: use the same string name as openttd (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/swisstowns/repository/revisions/5e8b0cdd6ebe 11:55:11 <Brot6> Swiss Town Names - Revision 3:4c2c1c7554a9: Import: language strings from openttd, so it does rep... (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/swisstowns/repository/revisions/4c2c1c7554a9 12:26:29 *** Seberoth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:38:13 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #839: 4737-4742: Fizzy drink factory (2006TTD) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/839#change-3497 12:39:36 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #1263: Toyland Rough Land (2006TTD) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1263#change-3498 13:00:46 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Support #1304: Mission statement (2006TTD) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1304#change-3499 13:37:05 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Revision 506:a4af4932ae70: Change #839: Improved sprites for fizzy drinks factory (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/a4af4932ae70 14:46:26 <Hirundo> I *cough* start to seriously consider building an ignore list 14:47:36 <Rubidium> yup, even before buying cough syrup 14:49:54 * planetmaker hugs Hirundo 14:49:58 <planetmaker> so bad currently? 14:56:37 <Ammler> can I make if/else inside a block? 14:56:45 <Ammler> (in nml) 14:56:57 <Yexo> depending on the block, yes 14:57:42 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #1263: Toyland Rough Land (2006TTD) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1263#change-3502 14:57:51 <Ammler> in this case, town_names block 14:58:25 <Yexo> not sure, you'll have to try 14:58:56 <Ammler> I assume, it the block does generate one sprite, it isn't possible 15:39:27 <Ammler> what is parsetab.py for? 15:40:04 <Yexo> it's automatically generated and use by ply 15:42:20 <Ammler> but no need for us, simply ignore? 15:42:31 <Yexo> indeed 16:10:44 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:18:03 <Brot6> Swiss Town Names - Revision 4:508e08b7769a: Change: it's a nml project (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/swisstowns/repository/revisions/508e08b7769a 16:18:03 <Brot6> Swiss Town Names - Revision 5:e6896bac13a8: Doc: add readme (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/swisstowns/repository/revisions/e6896bac13a8 16:18:03 <Brot6> Swiss Town Names - Revision 6:c84226ed52b9: Feature: add sed of custom_tags for other files (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/swisstowns/repository/revisions/c84226ed52b9 16:20:47 <Brot6> 2cctrainset: update from r591 to r592 done (47 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/2cctrainset/nightlies/r592 16:23:06 <Brot6> nml: update from r681 to r683 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/nml/nightlies/r683 16:23:42 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #1325 (New): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1325 16:23:56 <Brot6> nutracks: update from r98 to r105 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/nutracks/nightlies/r105 16:25:38 <Brot6> opengfx: update from r502 to r506 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/opengfx/nightlies/r506 16:26:06 <Brot6> swisstowns: update from to r6 done (2 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/swisstowns/nightlies/r6 16:27:26 <Brot6> ttrs: update from to r16 done (125 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/ttrs/nightlies/r16 16:27:27 <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 32bpp-extra (r38), airportsplus (r53), basecosts (r20), comic-houses (r71), fish (r387), grfcodec (r237), heqs (r372), metrotrackset (r56), newgrf_makefile (r165), nforenum (r476), ogfxplus (r41), openmsx (r97), opensfx (r97), snowlinemod (r36), swedishrails (ERROR r147), transrapidtrackset (r15), ttdviewer (r25), worldairlinersset (r663) 16:29:31 <Brot6> swedishrails: update from r143 to r147 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/swedishrails/nightlies/r147 16:29:49 <Brot6> Following repos rebuilds successful without any difference to earlier nightlies builds: ogfxplus (Diffsize: 6) 16:30:55 <Ammler> hmm 16:31:01 <Ammler> the rebuild deleted the ERROR 16:31:08 <planetmaker> hm. Build date in the description... 16:31:18 <Ammler> ? 16:31:23 <planetmaker> Ammler: I'd not add a date to anything which changes md5 16:31:31 <planetmaker> it makes it irreproducable 16:31:42 <Ammler> you speak about? 16:31:47 <planetmaker> swisstowns 16:32:06 <Ammler> where do you see build date? 16:32:09 <planetmaker> if I build r6 tomorrow it will fail 16:32:59 <Ammler> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/swisstowns/repository/entry/lib/hg.version.sh#L10 <-- date origins from commit 16:33:39 <planetmaker> does it work w/o repo then? 16:33:55 <Ammler> don't think so :-) 16:34:09 <planetmaker> anyway, I thought it was some bash date. I'm happy that it isn't :-) 16:34:30 <Ammler> there are no source releases 16:34:37 <Ammler> you need to checkout the repo 16:35:00 <planetmaker> hm 16:35:09 <Ammler> but something which might be nice for the newgrf_makefile 16:35:42 <Ammler> combine custom_tags with sed 16:35:58 <Ammler> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/swisstowns/repository/entry/lib/sed.custom_tags.sh 16:43:50 <Ammler> nmlc: "input", line 155: Too many values in a part, found 2223, maximum is 255 16:43:58 <Ammler> :-) 16:44:05 <planetmaker> :-P 16:44:10 <Ammler> shall I split or make a feature request? 16:44:38 <Ammler> fr is easier for me :-P 16:44:43 <planetmaker> I'm not quite sure what you do there... 16:44:57 <Ammler> filling a list with names 16:45:50 <Ammler> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/swisstowns/nightlies/r6/log/swisstowns.nml <-- basically the same just more names 16:46:49 <Yexo> feel free to make it a feature request 16:47:13 <Yexo> alberth said a long time ago he'd look at that, but as far as I know he didn't do so far 16:47:28 <Rubidium> Ammler: dummy is inconsistent with the rest! It's missing a space 16:48:12 <Rubidium> oh... Emmen, that's not far from here 16:48:23 <Rubidium> only 2 changes when going by train 16:48:50 <Rubidium> are the two Küs[s]nacht's really written differently? 16:49:18 <planetmaker> Ammler: I like the idea to copy all strings from OpenTTD ;-) 16:49:44 <Ammler> well, I had to, else you would have 2x swiss in the options 16:50:25 <Ammler> it was a grep and sed job from sources :-) 16:53:40 <Ammler> Rubidium: those are the ~150 biggest towns in CH 16:53:44 <Ammler> (except Amden) 16:53:58 <planetmaker> :-P 16:54:02 <Ammler> yes, and different 17:06:18 <Brot6> Swiss Town Names - Revision 7:a6968e233495: Feature: big list (demo NML for FR) (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/swisstowns/repository/revisions/a6968e233495 17:09:17 <Brot6> Swiss Town Names - Bug #1326 (New): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1326 17:17:41 *** Alberth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:18:35 <planetmaker> lol @ r7 of ST ;-) 17:20:34 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature #1327 (New): allow more than 255 names (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1327 17:23:16 <Ammler> Alberth: ^ :-) 17:23:42 <Ammler> I know, it is already easy :-) 17:24:30 <Alberth> "Feature" is wrong, it is a feature request, not a feature 17:24:41 <planetmaker> :-P 17:24:57 <planetmaker> His clock is ahead of our time 17:25:18 <Alberth> unless you attached a patch to it, in which case I apologize 17:25:19 <Yexo> Ammler: the error message shown in that compile failure is because you used the debug flag (-d) and also a unicode string (which can't be printed to stdout) 17:25:29 <Ammler> Alberth: fixed ;-) 17:26:02 <Alberth> can you fix the feature request equally fast? :) 17:26:03 <Ammler> Yexo: yeah, I know, I thought, it would be helpful to use -d 17:26:14 <Yexo> in this case not 17:26:21 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature Request #1327 (New): allow more than 255 names (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1327 17:26:57 <Ammler> Alberth: anyway, works nicely 17:27:24 <Ammler> please comment to the FR, if you won't implement it, then I will do the split with bash 17:27:38 <Ammler> it is nor real "show stopper" 17:28:10 <Alberth> I once discussed it, but need to dig up the details again 17:28:43 <Ammler> I just thought, if you get a a NML, which would use it, you are more motivated to implement it :-P 17:29:25 <Ammler> I have a 2nd newgrf (real french towns), which would also need it 17:29:46 <Ammler> it has open bugs since around 2 years, whcih I should close 17:30:03 <Alberth> oh, I still have some time :p 17:30:26 <Alberth> I'll look into it this week or next week or so 17:31:33 <Ammler> i guess, it would be kinda easy to pipe the file through split 17:31:46 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Revision 507:8d1978a5c878: Fix #657: Company colour for sweets factory (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/8d1978a5c878 17:31:46 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Bug #657 (Closed): Enable company colours for sweets factory (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/657#change-3504 17:31:49 <Ammler> and then simply add one part per file 17:47:39 <Brot6> Swiss Town Names - Bug #720 (Closed): doesn't work in TTDPatch (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/720#change-3505 18:08:30 <Alberth> too bad, feature requests cannot be closed for that reason :p 18:10:06 <Alberth> oh, only 17 revisions behind 18:11:22 <Ammler> Alberth: which reason? 18:19:07 <Alberth> 'does not work (in the current program)' 18:21:06 <Alberth> it would make handling of feature requests so much easier :p 18:28:54 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 684:43cdd7803402: Codechange: NML is written in Python rather tha... (Alberth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/43cdd7803402 18:29:32 <Yexo> hehe, I do that too often 18:30:06 <Ammler> nmlc: "input", line 154: Not enough random bits for the town name generation (72 needed, 32 available) 18:30:08 <Alberth> hmm, tried git this week, so bloody complicated when you also use svn and hg 18:30:22 <Alberth> Yexo: we can always switch language :p 18:31:01 <Yexo> agreed on git, it's not intuitive after working with svn/hg 18:31:26 <Yexo> Ammler: you probably used too high probabilities 18:31:56 <Ammler> Yexo: 1 18:32:00 <Ammler> for the big list 18:32:09 <Alberth> or badly balanced sub-items 18:32:15 <Alberth> s/items/lists/ 18:32:47 <Ammler> http://pastebin.com/66qPmXwX 18:33:10 <Ammler> hmm, I can't do the parts this way anyway, I guess 18:33:15 <Ammler> that is for combinations, right? 18:35:16 <Alberth> it reserves bits for each list. then it takes the bigest number of bits one level higher, if I remember correctly 18:35:29 <Alberth> but I was about to read the code again :) 18:39:21 <Alberth> Yexo: too high probabilities to reach 2^72 ? wow :) 18:39:45 <Yexo> hmm, indeed 18:39:54 <Yexo> must be either wrong sublists or a bug in nml 18:43:46 <Ammler> my nml was wrong 18:44:11 <Ammler> it worked this time, but now openttd needs time to create a map with 2000 towns :-) 18:44:43 <Ammler> it creates around 2 town per sec 18:44:57 <Ammler> my grf has 2200 towns, but the map counts to 3k 18:45:02 <Alberth> oh, come back in 18 minutes :) 18:46:09 <Ammler> it was quite fast at 2k 18:46:29 <Alberth> Any way to get rid of the execute rights of the .py files? I don't know how to state that in hg 18:46:47 <Ammler> chmod? 18:47:07 <Alberth> hmm, maybe hg would pick that up? worth a try 18:47:16 <Ammler> yes, it does 18:47:37 <Ammler> but no idea, if it detects that as a single change 18:47:49 <Alberth> indeed, thanks 18:48:07 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #1328 (New): Wrong power for Shinkansen 0 and 700 (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1328 18:48:59 <Ammler> Alberth: I got it working with split, so if that gets too complicated in NML, fine for me to reject the FR :-) 18:50:11 <Alberth> nah, should be doable, at least for some easy cases. 18:51:03 <Brot6> Swiss Town Names - Revision 8:deaa57e0b609: Fix (r7): split big list first (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/swisstowns/repository/revisions/deaa57e0b609 18:51:16 <Ammler> well, using real names is most probably only a list 18:53:18 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #1328 (Feedback): Wrong power for Shinkansen 0 and 700 (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1328 18:53:18 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #1328: Wrong power for Shinkansen 0 and 700 (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1328#change-3506 18:53:18 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #1328 (Feedback): Wrong power for Shinkansen 0 and 700 (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1328#change-3507 18:54:51 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 685:3d9c5649b01b: Codechange: Remove execution rights for python ... (Alberth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/3d9c5649b01b 18:54:51 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 686:704a6844d129: Codechange: More removal of execution rights. (Alberth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/704a6844d129 18:54:51 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature Request #1329 (New): allow trailing "," on last group(?) item (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1329 18:55:39 <Alberth> Hirundo, Yexo: I just removed the execution rights of many files, a pull would probably be useful 18:58:57 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature Request #1327: allow more than 255 names (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1327#change-3508 18:59:04 <Alberth> I would be surprised if the town list was the only list in nml 19:00:30 <Brot6> Total Town Replacement Set - Revision 17:db1ba8700221: Cleanup: also remove action14-option to di... (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ttrs/repository/revisions/db1ba8700221 19:01:46 *** FooBar has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:04:51 <FooBar> planetmaker: link in #1325 doesn't work... 19:04:51 <Brot6> FooBar: planetmaker: #1325 is http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/show/1325 "FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #1325: DevZone compile failed - #openttdcoop Development Zone" 19:11:30 <Ammler> FooBar: I am working on it 19:11:38 <Ammler> sorry :-( 19:12:07 <FooBar> no problem, I decided to do something else anyways :) 19:12:40 <Ammler> REBUILD triggered a remove 19:13:11 <Ammler> this script is growing and growing, I really should split it 19:15:08 <Ammler> Yexo: so nmlc -d isn't recommend for the cf? 19:15:11 * Alberth hands Ammler a big axe 19:15:30 <Yexo> Ammler: I think it should work fine if you redirect stdout to a file 19:15:47 <Yexo> but the terminal you used doesn't support utf8, so nlmc could write the town names to stdout 19:16:01 <Ammler> :-o 19:16:02 <Yexo> fixing that problem in nmlc is too much work 19:16:27 <Ammler> I do pipe it to the a file 19:16:29 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 687:d9b6f1703fad: Codechange: Townnames use pre_process() to do t... (Alberth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/d9b6f1703fad 19:17:56 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 19:18:16 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:42:51 <FooBar> planetmaker: can I fix #1325? 20:42:52 <Brot6> FooBar: planetmaker: #1325 is http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/show/1325 "FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #1325: DevZone compile failed - #openttdcoop Development Zone" 20:43:15 <FooBar> as it's assigned to you and all... 20:43:27 <Ammler> FooBar: that is automatic 20:43:39 <Ammler> it does assign to the last committer 20:44:00 <FooBar> so the bugreport is also automatic? 20:44:14 <Ammler> yes, cf does produce a ticket if compile fails 20:44:20 <FooBar> neat! :) 20:44:30 <Ammler> and the assign is for mailing 20:44:34 <FooBar> I din't know that, but now that you say... 20:44:44 <FooBar> it is added by "compiler" :) 20:44:45 <Ammler> well, it is a new feature :-P 20:45:06 <FooBar> then I fix it, as it's one " too many 20:45:54 <FooBar> if pm did the bugreport himself, then I would have submitted a patch for it ;) 20:46:41 <Ammler> well, as it is a immediate bug, you can't assign it and idle for a day 20:47:12 <FooBar> true :) 20:48:08 <FooBar> anyways, it's fixed now 20:48:35 <FooBar> planetmaker: never mind what I highlighted earlier, it's solved now. Thanks though :) 20:49:23 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1275:7423f46efe53: Fix: double quote too many in German ... (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/7423f46efe53 20:49:23 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #1325 (Closed): DevZone compile failed (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1325#change-3509 20:52:00 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1324: Translations: support OpenTTD string format codes (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1324#change-3510 20:54:25 <Alberth> bummer, townnames splitting is non-trivial :( 20:56:56 <Alberth> good night 20:57:32 *** Alberth has left #openttdcoop.devzone 21:09:31 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature Request #1327: allow more than 255 names (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1327#change-3512 21:10:56 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature Request #1327: allow more than 255 names (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1327#change-3513 21:18:38 *** Seberoth has quit IRC 21:18:44 *** Seberoth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:24:28 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1276:7e9f1039680e: Feature: user-built industries don't ... (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/7e9f1039680e 21:29:52 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1236: 1 tile buffer should be ignored when player / scen... (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1236#change-3514 21:29:52 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1330 (Assigned): 1 tile buffer - Retail Market (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1330 21:33:59 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1330 (Assigned): 1 tile buffer - Retail Market / Superma... (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1330 21:39:49 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1330 (Closed): 1 tile buffer - Retail Market / Supermarket (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1330 21:39:50 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1277:ff7505627e13: Feature: add cb 2F to retailmarket, s... (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/ff7505627e13 21:39:50 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1330 (Closed): 1 tile buffer - Retail Market / Supermarket (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1330#change-3516 21:52:30 * Rubidium hopes FooBar won't kill me :) 21:52:42 <FooBar> what? why? 21:53:08 <Rubidium> see the FIRS thread 21:54:14 <FooBar> please don't kill me back then :P 21:54:39 <FooBar> very well observed though 21:55:32 <FooBar> maybe I should've added Waldo to the picture... 22:02:36 <FooBar> good night 22:02:38 *** FooBar has quit IRC 22:40:08 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 22:40:31 *** ODM has quit IRC 22:44:06 <Brot6> Example NewGRF Project - Bug #845: Make got slow :| (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/845#change-3517 22:47:14 <Brot6> Example NewGRF Project - Bug #845: Speed on windows systems (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/845#change-3517 22:47:14 <Brot6> Example NewGRF Project - Bug #845 (Confirmed): Speed on windows systems (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/845#change-3518 22:50:33 <Brot6> swisstowns: compile of r8 still failed (##1326) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/swisstowns/nightlies/ERROR/r8 22:53:15 <Brot6> Example NewGRF Project - Bug #1331 (Confirmed): Use default (global) OpenTTD data dirs for install (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1331 22:54:21 <Brot6> Swiss Town Names - Revision 9:3c472f019834: Fix: nmlc -d doesn't work on the CF (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/swisstowns/repository/revisions/3c472f019834 22:56:02 <Brot6> swisstowns: update from r6 to r9 done (2 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/swisstowns/nightlies/r9 22:56:47 <Brot6> Example NewGRF Project - Bug #1332 (Confirmed): Separate names for binary and source distribution (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1332 22:56:47 <Brot6> Example NewGRF Project - Feature #1333 (Assigned): Add separate install dir for documentation files (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1333 23:00:59 <Brot6> Swiss Town Names - Bug #1326 (Closed): DevZone compile failed (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1326#change-3520 23:00:59 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1324: Translations: support OpenTTD string format codes (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1324#change-3521 23:11:08 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Support #1304: Mission statement (athanasios) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1304#change-3522 23:14:41 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Support #1304: Mission statement (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1304#change-3523 23:15:11 <Brot6> Example NewGRF Project - Feature #1333: Add separate install dir for documentation files (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1333#change-3524 23:16:43 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #1263: Toyland Rough Land (athanasios) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1263#change-3525 23:17:42 <Brot6> Example NewGRF Project - Bug #1331: Use default (global) OpenTTD data dirs for install (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1331#change-3526 23:18:28 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #1263: Toyland Rough Land (athanasios) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1263#change-3525 23:18:41 <OwenS> planetmaker: I'm impressed that you guys manage to keep changing the sample project 23:19:09 <planetmaker> OwenS: it's my central repo where I gather and merge all required changes 23:19:18 <OwenS> planetmaker: Aah 23:19:21 <planetmaker> I fix something in A --> commit it there 23:19:26 <planetmaker> fix in B --> commit it there 23:19:34 <planetmaker> later then: copy everything to all projects 23:19:46 <planetmaker> as such I have the same everywhere. Easy maintenance 23:19:50 * OwenS thinks you should hg(?) clone everything from it :p 23:20:01 <OwenS> Probably too late for that now though 23:20:15 <planetmaker> I could. But that would add stuff which is not needed 23:20:22 <OwenS> aah 23:20:23 <planetmaker> And it evolved 23:20:34 <planetmaker> It wasn't as uniform as today :-) 23:20:58 <planetmaker> I thought of making a release branch which I could clone 23:21:10 <planetmaker> But that would add instantaneously 200 commits to every repo 23:21:16 <planetmaker> pointless ones 23:21:28 * OwenS needs to go figure out which bits of his home directory contain Linux binaries to dump as he migrates to his new lappy 23:21:44 <planetmaker> eh? 23:21:56 <OwenS> Pointless bringing binaries with me during an OS transition :p 23:22:06 <planetmaker> just install the system on a new HDD and copy home ;-) 23:22:25 <planetmaker> Going through that... pointless waste of time, given the price tag on HDD space 23:22:31 <OwenS> I probably also don't need 50 old versions of openttd in ~/.opt :p 23:22:36 <planetmaker> :-P 23:23:23 <Rubidium> planetmaker: yeah, too much HDD... must fill... that's why I've got a clone of an old HDD that had a clone of even an older HDD 23:23:42 <Rubidium> couldn't be bothered figuring out whether everything could be dropped or whether I might need one of the files 23:23:43 <planetmaker> hehe @ Rubidium :-) 23:23:46 <Rubidium> so... just keep them 23:23:51 <planetmaker> exactly 23:23:54 <OwenS> Oh god... I have ~/OldHome/oldhome/ ... 23:24:02 <planetmaker> And you're by far not the only one with that kind of structure 23:24:26 <OwenS> And the ammount of sheer crap that gets dropped in ~/ is unbelieveable 23:24:34 <Rubidium> /home/backup/home/backup/home/... 23:24:41 <planetmaker> :-) I keep that moderately clean, OwenS ;-) 23:24:45 <planetmaker> haha 23:25:05 <OwenS> Heck, I think I have an old version of my music collection in ~/Music for no good reason 23:25:06 <Rubidium> I definitely need a symlink of .openttd to .open in ~/ 23:25:16 <Rubidium> otherwise .openoffice messes with tab completetion 23:25:25 <planetmaker> :-) 23:25:37 <OwenS> What do they have in there? :S 23:25:56 <OwenS> Oh wow 23:26:01 <Rubidium> in ~/.openttd? 23:26:02 <planetmaker> I have a symlink from my ottd/cfgdir dir to ~/.openttd 23:26:03 <Brot6> Swiss Town Names - Revision 10:b4f8b9b60d08: Doc: add changelog and zipper for the fruit bucket (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/swisstowns/repository/revisions/b4f8b9b60d08 23:26:22 <OwenS> /home/oshepherd/.openoffice.org /home/oshepherd/.openoffice.org2 /home/oshepherd/.openoffice.org2.0 <-- why?! 23:27:16 <Rubidium> 600 MiB of savegames, 400 MiB of NewGRFs and 100 MiB of scenarios/AIs (seems moderate 23:27:20 <Rubidium> +) 23:27:49 <OwenS> /home/oshepherd/.lvm_history <-- You've gotta be kidding me... why could I possibly want history completion for the lvm command?! 23:28:30 <Brot6> swisstowns: update from r9 to r10 done (2 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/swisstowns/nightlies/r10 23:28:51 <Rubidium> yay... 900 MiB of ccache (*only* used for my newobjects hg mq) 23:29:35 <OwenS> Heh, ~ seems to be full of pdfs that some idiot browser has dropped there 23:29:39 <planetmaker> he 23:35:17 <planetmaker> when I saw todays commits, I nearly expected to see one called 'Feature: newgrf feature 0F' ;-) 23:37:21 <planetmaker> anyway... I wish you a good night for now 23:37:33 <Rubidium> nope, it needs some actual testing and some "go ahead" from the TTDP devs that they agree with the spec 23:37:50 <Rubidium> as it's slightly different than the currently used on in TTDP 23:38:53 <Rubidium> Ammler: if you want a thread moved, just report the FP of that thread. That's way more effective :) 23:39:19 * OwenS always feels funny for writing "ARMv7 ARM" (Referring to the Architecture Reference Manual...) 23:40:47 <Rubidium> not even an action14 is his new swiss town names NewGRF 23:41:44 <Ammler> does nml have that already? 23:42:04 <Brot6> repository /home/ottdc/hg-repos/frenchtowns registered in Redmine with url /home/ottdc/hg-repos/frenchtowns 23:42:04 <Brot6> repository /home/ottdc/hg-repos/frenchtowns created 23:45:39 <Ammler> Rubidium: you mean reporting like spam? 23:46:05 <Ammler> with the "!" thingy? 23:47:00 <Rubidium> yup, and then the "Other" section 23:49:59 <OwenS> "Report post" should really be called the "Moderator attention button" :p 23:59:55 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC