Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 27th August 2010:
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00:05:52  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Support #1304: Mission statement (Ammler) @
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00:13:12  <Ammler> also if redmine would have a "frontend" to configure the compile settings etc., we still need to save those things, the project repo is good place for it
00:19:13  <planetmaker> well, the project settings page would be better ;-)
00:20:05  <planetmaker> <-- like an additional tab there called 'compile farm' or so :-)
00:20:15  <planetmaker> but as long as such plug-in does not exist :-)
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04:59:41  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #1263: Toyland Rough Land (2006TTD) @
06:06:05  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Support #1304: Mission statement (planetmaker) @
06:44:27  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #1319: Koncar KDMV (Voyager1) @
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07:06:48  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1324 (New): Translations: support OpenTTD string format ... (planetmaker) @
07:10:55  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1270:81be007a8c35: Fix: remove a warning in param_transl... (Terkhen) @
07:37:11  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1271:3ec1a2230ec3: Fix: Mode of language check script (planetmaker) @
07:37:11  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1272:cc9d211f7515: Change: Update German translation (planetmaker) @
07:41:06  * Rubidium wonders how pedantic Germans are w.r.t. missing <"occupation">in when both males and females are meant; I seem to remember lots of "$(i)en und $(i)innen" from the news
07:42:38  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1273:93cf142f33ed: Change: Update spanish translation. (Terkhen) @
07:42:48  <planetmaker> That depends. It's usual to use the male form, except if one wants to be really 'political correct'
07:44:06  <planetmaker> After all Mrs Merkel is also Bundeskanzler. Not Bundeskanzlerin
07:46:18  <planetmaker> feminists will tell you differently, though
07:47:09  <Rubidium> actually the female form for lots of occupations in Dutch seems to be disappearing
07:47:33  <planetmaker> really? Hm
07:49:27  <Rubidium> but with German being more "pure" (less words from foreign languages) it might be harder to get rid of for you
07:50:22  <Terkhen> in spain they are inventing new ones
07:51:41  <Rubidium> e.g. I wouldn't know the female form for "stratenmaker", but I'd simply guess it's "Straßenbauerin" in German
07:52:02  <planetmaker> hm... seems I forgot strings in my translation update to FIRS :S
07:52:41  <planetmaker> Rubidium: Those usually are (Straßen-)Bauarbeiter. So it would be (Straßen-)Bauarbeiterin
07:53:24  <planetmaker> except you mean the planning / project management. Then it's like Straßenbauingenieurin
07:53:59  <Rubidium> nope, I mean the person that physically places the stones on the (usually) sand
07:54:12  <planetmaker> Bauarbeiterin then :-)
07:54:32  * Rubidium blames wikipedia :)
07:54:34  <planetmaker> but... that's unusual
07:54:43  <planetmaker> hm? what does it say?
07:54:51  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1305: Detect missing strings (Terkhen) @
07:54:55  <Rubidium>
07:54:56  <Webster> Title: Pflasterer – Wikipedia (at
07:55:22  <Rubidium> or I've just picked the wrong word :)
07:55:57  <Rubidium> interesting is that the occupation is only in the Dutch and German wikipedia's
07:56:08  <planetmaker> uh... well. Both words, Straßenbauer and Pflasterer seem to exist
07:56:18  <planetmaker> But... not in normal-day language
07:56:44  <planetmaker> That's the very much to the point description of what might be written on the exam of those people, though
07:57:09  <planetmaker> the burocratic words :-)
07:57:32  <Rubidium> maybe because this a basically a specific case of "road workers", where road workers include those that lay tarmac/asfalt roads
07:58:27  <planetmaker> yeah
07:59:10  <planetmaker> Though the person doing the same in your backyard would still rather be called 'Gärtner' or maybe 'Landschaftsgestalter' ;-)
07:59:40  <planetmaker> though the latter is again IMHO a funny word which cannot hide its burocratic origin
08:02:40  <Rubidium> yup
08:03:07  <Rubidium> though I'm not sure whether every one of those "stupid" words is burocratic
08:03:27  <planetmaker> Probably not every
08:03:59  <planetmaker> And somewhat it probably needs a name to distinguish from each other the different educations those people receive
08:04:02  <planetmaker> Still :-)
08:04:39  <Rubidium> "interieurverzorger" (lit. interior care taker) which is just the "schoonmaker" cleaner/cleaning lady
08:04:58  <Rubidium> that words comes from the industry as "schoonmaker" has a bad vibe or something
08:05:31  <planetmaker> yeah. Raumpfleger vs. Putz[e|frau|kraft]
08:06:13  <planetmaker> I've never heart Putzmann, though; Putzfrau is a usual word on the other hand
08:07:15  <planetmaker> And one shouldn't use "Putze" when such person is present ;-)
08:07:53  <planetmaker> oh. Reinigungskraft is also commonly used, if it is not Raumpfleger
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08:50:43  <Ammler> nmlc: Unknown string command: 'VERSION'
08:50:52  <Ammler> what is broken, if I get that?
08:51:19  <Ammler> Hello all :-)
08:52:36  <planetmaker> moin Ammler :-)
08:52:55  <planetmaker> Ammler, that should be a problem with missing / insufficient 'custom_tags.txt'
08:53:10  <planetmaker> which *should* be generated
08:53:20  <planetmaker> automatically. Might be that it isn't properly
08:53:22  <Ammler> > cat custom-tags.txt
08:53:23  <Ammler> VERSION: r
08:53:28  <planetmaker> hm
08:53:35  <planetmaker> which newgrf?
08:53:48  <Ammler> swisstowns.grf :-)
08:54:06  <planetmaker> :-)
08:54:28  <planetmaker> which makefile version?
08:54:55  <planetmaker> I probably should tag the current tip as 0.4.1 or 0.5...
08:54:57  <Ammler> none, only bash, I thought would be an idea to "test" nml without :-)
08:55:27  <planetmaker> aye
08:56:00  <planetmaker> oh. It's "custom_tags.txt". Not "custom-tags.txt"
08:56:03  <planetmaker> ^ Ammler
08:56:37  <Ammler>
08:57:08  <planetmaker> yes. Use the correct filename ;-)
08:57:15  <Ammler> yes, that was it, thanks :-)
08:57:21  <Ammler> majonaise!
08:57:48  <planetmaker> :-)
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09:24:35  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #1255: Gumdrops (2006TTD) @
09:26:17  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #1255: Gumdrops (2006TTD) @
09:30:08  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #1255: Gumdrops (planetmaker) @
09:46:15  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #1255: Gumdrops (2006TTD) @
09:49:35  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Support #1304: Mission statement (Ammler) @
09:55:46  <Ammler> does nmlc "trim" strings?
09:55:55  <planetmaker> in what way?
09:56:13  <Ammler> might not matter at all
09:56:15  <planetmaker> not that I know of
09:56:25  <Ammler> well, I have strings like "Amden             "
09:56:42  <planetmaker> that shouldn't be trimmed.
09:56:50  <planetmaker> it's your chosen string after all
09:57:18  <Ammler> I wouldn't care :-)
09:58:20  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #1255: Gumdrops (planetmaker) @
09:58:22  <planetmaker> I would care if it trimed strings for no good reason
10:05:38  <Ammler> hmm, is there a reason, you like trailing space?
10:06:05  <Rubidium> booh... can't say he lives in a trailer camp
10:06:16  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #1255: Gumdrops (planetmaker) @
10:07:02  <planetmaker> Ammler, nope ;-)
10:07:40  <planetmaker> but in the case you describe it would be part of a name. And then it might be intended.
10:08:16  <planetmaker> though... not sure :-)
10:25:27  <Ammler> mäh
10:25:36  <Ammler> awk uses spaces as delimeter?
10:27:35  <Ammler> -F'\t'
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10:40:54  <Ammler>     text("Zürich", 64),
10:40:55  <Ammler>   }
10:41:02  <Ammler> worth a bug report?
10:41:16  <Ammler> last part does end with "," but I assume it shouldn't
10:51:10  <planetmaker> hm?
10:51:54  <Ammler> my generated list has a comma at the end of every entry, also the last, nml should be able to handle that, shouldn't?
10:53:14  <Ammler> <-- my workaround :-)
10:55:08  <planetmaker> I don't think it should
10:55:28  <planetmaker> though it might be nice. Rather 'feature' than 'bug' IMHO, though
10:58:48  <Ammler> very nice, nml is
10:59:16  <planetmaker> yep :-)
10:59:34  <planetmaker> It's really the same step like from assembler to C
10:59:46  <planetmaker> like from TTDP source to OpenTTD source ;-)
11:00:16  <Brot6> repository /home/ottdc/hg-repos/swisstowns registered in Redmine with url /home/ottdc/hg-repos/swisstowns
11:00:16  <Brot6> repository /home/ottdc/hg-repos/swisstowns created
11:00:27  <Ammler> wouldn't it be better to move the reference to the wiki
11:00:33  <planetmaker> hm, wasn't there a Swiss town repo already?
11:00:39  <Ammler> so non-devs can help there
11:00:50  <Ammler> planetmaker: svn :-)
11:00:53  <planetmaker> oh
11:00:55  <planetmaker> :-)
11:01:12  <planetmaker> re docu: Ammler, maybe yes
11:01:20  <Ammler> also current wiki seems a bit outdated
11:01:26  <planetmaker> which wiki?
11:02:04  <Ammler>
11:02:55  <planetmaker> he.
11:03:01  <planetmaker> It surely is, yes
11:04:01  <planetmaker> The included reference document is the authoritive  document
11:09:21  <Ammler> is that in the sence of the nml devs?
11:09:30  <Ammler> only they do edit the reference?
11:09:34  <Brot6> Swiss Town Names - Revision 0:474ce4415edb: Initial commit with small group (Ammler) @
11:10:21  <planetmaker> No, that's not the intend.
11:10:31  <planetmaker> But it's a logical place to supply information :-)
11:17:22  <Ammler> well, town names for real names were already easy in nfo
11:17:35  <Ammler> it is now just.. dunno
11:17:54  <Brot6> Swiss Town Names - Revision 1:41ff78667190: Fix: it is custom_tags.txt (Ammler) @
11:21:01  <Ammler> wouldn't it make sense to use the same file names for the languages as openttd
11:21:08  <Ammler> and not care about the language id?
11:24:18  <planetmaker> you can do that. the important information is afaik the langID within
11:24:21  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1274:1f33bf1e0d69: Change: Beautify the main text file a... (planetmaker) @
11:24:33  <planetmaker> you can also call them blubber.lng and bestlang.lng
11:24:53  <planetmaker> look at se rails :-)
11:25:15  <planetmaker> wait. Don't look. It's not there yet :-P
11:25:18  <Ammler> yeah
11:25:29  <planetmaker> Just in my local repos ;-)
11:25:33  <Ammler> but why not "force" to use the same as openttd?
11:25:39  <planetmaker> why?
11:25:46  <Ammler> and forget the langid
11:26:05  <planetmaker> have you looked in an OpenTTD lang file?
11:26:06  <Ammler> why do I need to know that id?
11:26:51  <Ammler> ok :-)
11:26:54  <Rubidium> Ammler: in OpenTTD the language file's name is of totally no concern to the workings of OpenTTD (besides loading the setting from the configuration)
11:27:20  <planetmaker> what *could* be done is to replace the langID by the official language abbrev. like de_DE or de_CH or alike
11:27:25  <Ammler> ##grflangid 0x02
11:27:30  <planetmaker> which then NML could associate with the langID
11:27:35  <Rubidium> in OpenTTD there are three (unique) identifiers for a language; the isocode, grflangid and winlangid
11:27:56  <planetmaker> then one could already make a German and a Swiss NewGRF and just re-compile when OpenTTD should ever support that ;-)
11:28:30  <Ammler> well, openttd does support that :-)
11:28:54  <Rubidium> the isocode isn't used for NewGRF selection
11:30:15  <Rubidium> the isocode is only used for font selection (same with winlangid)
11:30:37  <Rubidium> the grflangid is only used to identify what GRF language id is associated with that language in OpenTTD
11:31:13  <Rubidium> ofcourse you can add a mapping to NML's code
11:31:56  <Rubidium> though in that case I propose that the "old" style is still possible, so new languages can be supported without the need for a newer NML
11:33:10  <planetmaker> right. That would be an advantage.
11:34:03  <planetmaker> s/would be/is/
11:34:48  <Rubidium> you could then even support things like "dutch" and "german" as it's just a few more entries in the "conversion" table
11:34:57  <planetmaker> :-)
11:48:38  <Ammler> hmm, did the openttd code change for town generator
11:49:57  <Ammler> it seems somehow, that probabilities doesn't have same effect anmyore
11:50:41  <Rubidium> not that I'm aware of
11:51:02  <planetmaker> Ammler, also with your old code, if you just set an improbable high value for one town name?
11:51:35  <Ammler> hmm, yeah, I checked my old nfo grf
11:51:38  <Ammler> same there
11:51:49  <Ammler> but maybe it is my memory
11:51:53  <Ammler> bad*
11:55:11  <Brot6> Swiss Town Names - Revision 2:5e8b0cdd6ebe: Change: use the same string name as openttd (Ammler) @
11:55:11  <Brot6> Swiss Town Names - Revision 3:4c2c1c7554a9: Import: language strings from openttd, so it does rep... (Ammler) @
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12:38:13  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #839: 4737-4742: Fizzy drink factory (2006TTD) @
12:39:36  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #1263: Toyland Rough Land (2006TTD) @
13:00:46  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Support #1304: Mission statement (2006TTD) @
13:37:05  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Revision 506:a4af4932ae70: Change #839: Improved sprites for fizzy drinks factory (planetmaker) @
14:46:26  <Hirundo> I *cough* start to seriously consider building an ignore list
14:47:36  <Rubidium> yup, even before buying cough syrup
14:49:54  * planetmaker hugs Hirundo
14:49:58  <planetmaker> so bad currently?
14:56:37  <Ammler> can I make if/else inside a block?
14:56:45  <Ammler> (in nml)
14:56:57  <Yexo> depending on the block, yes
14:57:42  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #1263: Toyland Rough Land (2006TTD) @
14:57:51  <Ammler> in this case, town_names block
14:58:25  <Yexo> not sure, you'll have to try
14:58:56  <Ammler> I assume, it the block does generate one sprite, it isn't possible
15:39:27  <Ammler> what is for?
15:40:04  <Yexo> it's automatically generated and use by ply
15:42:20  <Ammler> but no need for us, simply ignore?
15:42:31  <Yexo> indeed
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16:18:03  <Brot6> Swiss Town Names - Revision 4:508e08b7769a: Change: it's a nml project (Ammler) @
16:18:03  <Brot6> Swiss Town Names - Revision 5:e6896bac13a8: Doc: add readme (Ammler) @
16:18:03  <Brot6> Swiss Town Names - Revision 6:c84226ed52b9: Feature: add sed of custom_tags for other files (Ammler) @
16:20:47  <Brot6> 2cctrainset: update from r591 to r592 done (47 errors) -
16:23:06  <Brot6> nml: update from r681 to r683 done -
16:23:42  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #1325 (New): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @
16:23:56  <Brot6> nutracks: update from r98 to r105 done -
16:25:38  <Brot6> opengfx: update from r502 to r506 done -
16:26:06  <Brot6> swisstowns: update from  to r6 done (2 errors) -
16:27:26  <Brot6> ttrs: update from  to r16 done (125 errors) -
16:27:27  <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 32bpp-extra (r38), airportsplus (r53), basecosts (r20), comic-houses (r71), fish (r387), grfcodec (r237), heqs (r372), metrotrackset (r56), newgrf_makefile (r165), nforenum (r476), ogfxplus (r41), openmsx (r97), opensfx (r97), snowlinemod (r36), swedishrails (ERROR r147), transrapidtrackset (r15), ttdviewer (r25), worldairlinersset (r663)
16:29:31  <Brot6> swedishrails: update from r143 to r147 done -
16:29:49  <Brot6> Following repos rebuilds successful without any difference to earlier nightlies builds: ogfxplus (Diffsize: 6)
16:30:55  <Ammler> hmm
16:31:01  <Ammler> the rebuild deleted the ERROR
16:31:08  <planetmaker> hm. Build date in the description...
16:31:18  <Ammler> ?
16:31:23  <planetmaker> Ammler: I'd not add a date to anything which changes md5
16:31:31  <planetmaker> it makes it irreproducable
16:31:42  <Ammler> you speak about?
16:31:47  <planetmaker> swisstowns
16:32:06  <Ammler> where do you see build date?
16:32:09  <planetmaker> if I build r6 tomorrow it will fail
16:32:59  <Ammler> <-- date origins from commit
16:33:39  <planetmaker> does it work w/o repo then?
16:33:55  <Ammler> don't think so :-)
16:34:09  <planetmaker> anyway, I thought it was some bash date. I'm happy that it isn't :-)
16:34:30  <Ammler> there are no source releases
16:34:37  <Ammler> you need to checkout the repo
16:35:00  <planetmaker> hm
16:35:09  <Ammler> but something which might be nice for the newgrf_makefile
16:35:42  <Ammler> combine custom_tags with sed
16:35:58  <Ammler>
16:43:50  <Ammler> nmlc: "input", line 155: Too many values in a part, found 2223, maximum is 255
16:43:58  <Ammler> :-)
16:44:05  <planetmaker> :-P
16:44:10  <Ammler> shall I split or make a feature request?
16:44:38  <Ammler> fr is easier for me :-P
16:44:43  <planetmaker> I'm not quite sure what you do there...
16:44:57  <Ammler> filling a list with names
16:45:50  <Ammler> <-- basically the same just more names
16:46:49  <Yexo> feel free to make it a feature request
16:47:13  <Yexo> alberth said a long time ago he'd look at that, but as far as I know he didn't do so far
16:47:28  <Rubidium> Ammler: dummy is inconsistent with the rest! It's missing a space
16:48:12  <Rubidium> oh... Emmen, that's not far from here
16:48:23  <Rubidium> only 2 changes when going by train
16:48:50  <Rubidium> are the two Küs[s]nacht's really written differently?
16:49:18  <planetmaker> Ammler: I like the idea to copy all strings from OpenTTD ;-)
16:49:44  <Ammler> well, I had to, else you would have 2x swiss in the options
16:50:25  <Ammler> it was a grep and sed job from sources :-)
16:53:40  <Ammler> Rubidium: those are the ~150 biggest towns in CH
16:53:44  <Ammler> (except Amden)
16:53:58  <planetmaker> :-P
16:54:02  <Ammler> yes, and different
17:06:18  <Brot6> Swiss Town Names - Revision 7:a6968e233495: Feature: big list (demo NML for FR) (Ammler) @
17:09:17  <Brot6> Swiss Town Names - Bug #1326 (New): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @
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17:18:35  <planetmaker> lol @ r7 of ST ;-)
17:20:34  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature #1327 (New): allow more than 255 names (Ammler) @
17:23:16  <Ammler> Alberth: ^ :-)
17:23:42  <Ammler> I know, it is already easy :-)
17:24:30  <Alberth> "Feature" is wrong, it is a feature request, not a feature
17:24:41  <planetmaker> :-P
17:24:57  <planetmaker> His clock is ahead of our time
17:25:18  <Alberth> unless you attached a patch to it, in which case I apologize
17:25:19  <Yexo> Ammler: the error message shown in that compile failure is because you used the debug flag (-d) and also a unicode string (which can't be printed to stdout)
17:25:29  <Ammler> Alberth: fixed ;-)
17:26:02  <Alberth> can you fix the feature request equally fast? :)
17:26:03  <Ammler> Yexo: yeah, I know, I thought, it would be helpful to use -d
17:26:14  <Yexo> in this case not
17:26:21  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature Request #1327 (New): allow more than 255 names (Ammler) @
17:26:57  <Ammler> Alberth: anyway, works nicely
17:27:24  <Ammler> please comment to the FR, if you won't implement it, then I will do the split with bash
17:27:38  <Ammler> it is nor real "show stopper"
17:28:10  <Alberth> I once discussed it, but need to dig up the details again
17:28:43  <Ammler> I just thought, if you get a a NML, which would use it, you are more motivated to implement it :-P
17:29:25  <Ammler> I have a 2nd newgrf (real french towns), which would also need it
17:29:46  <Ammler> it has open bugs since around 2 years, whcih I should close
17:30:03  <Alberth> oh, I still have some time :p
17:30:26  <Alberth> I'll look into it this week or next week or so
17:31:33  <Ammler> i guess, it would be kinda easy to pipe the file through split
17:31:46  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Revision 507:8d1978a5c878: Fix #657: Company colour for sweets factory (planetmaker) @
17:31:46  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Bug #657 (Closed): Enable company colours for sweets factory (planetmaker) @
17:31:49  <Ammler> and then simply add one part per file
17:47:39  <Brot6> Swiss Town Names - Bug #720 (Closed): doesn't work in TTDPatch (Ammler) @
18:08:30  <Alberth> too bad, feature requests cannot be closed for that reason :p
18:10:06  <Alberth> oh, only 17 revisions behind
18:11:22  <Ammler> Alberth: which reason?
18:19:07  <Alberth> 'does not work (in the current program)'
18:21:06  <Alberth> it would make handling of feature requests so much easier :p
18:28:54  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 684:43cdd7803402: Codechange: NML is written in Python rather tha... (Alberth) @
18:29:32  <Yexo> hehe, I do that too often
18:30:06  <Ammler> nmlc: "input", line 154: Not enough random bits for the town name generation (72 needed, 32 available)
18:30:08  <Alberth> hmm, tried git this week, so bloody complicated when you also use svn and hg
18:30:22  <Alberth> Yexo: we can always switch language :p
18:31:01  <Yexo> agreed on git, it's not intuitive after working with svn/hg
18:31:26  <Yexo> Ammler: you probably used too high probabilities
18:31:56  <Ammler> Yexo: 1
18:32:00  <Ammler> for the big list
18:32:09  <Alberth> or badly balanced sub-items
18:32:15  <Alberth> s/items/lists/
18:32:47  <Ammler>
18:33:10  <Ammler> hmm, I can't do the parts this way anyway, I guess
18:33:15  <Ammler> that is for combinations, right?
18:35:16  <Alberth> it reserves bits for each list. then it takes the bigest number of bits one level higher, if I remember correctly
18:35:29  <Alberth> but I was about to read the code again :)
18:39:21  <Alberth> Yexo: too high probabilities to reach 2^72 ?  wow :)
18:39:45  <Yexo> hmm, indeed
18:39:54  <Yexo> must be either wrong sublists or a bug in nml
18:43:46  <Ammler> my nml was wrong
18:44:11  <Ammler> it worked this time, but now openttd needs time to create a map with 2000 towns :-)
18:44:43  <Ammler> it creates around 2 town per sec
18:44:57  <Ammler> my grf has 2200 towns, but the map counts to 3k
18:45:02  <Alberth> oh, come back in 18 minutes :)
18:46:09  <Ammler> it was quite fast at 2k
18:46:29  <Alberth> Any way to get rid of the execute rights of the .py files? I don't know how to state that in hg
18:46:47  <Ammler> chmod?
18:47:07  <Alberth> hmm, maybe hg would pick that up?  worth a try
18:47:16  <Ammler> yes, it does
18:47:37  <Ammler> but no idea, if it detects that as a single change
18:47:49  <Alberth> indeed, thanks
18:48:07  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #1328 (New): Wrong power for Shinkansen 0 and 700 (Voyager1) @
18:48:59  <Ammler> Alberth: I got it working with split, so if that gets too complicated in NML, fine for me to reject the FR :-)
18:50:11  <Alberth> nah, should be doable, at least for some easy cases.
18:51:03  <Brot6> Swiss Town Names - Revision 8:deaa57e0b609: Fix (r7): split big list first (Ammler) @
18:51:16  <Ammler> well, using real names is most probably only a list
18:53:18  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #1328 (Feedback): Wrong power for Shinkansen 0 and 700 (Voyager1) @
18:53:18  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #1328: Wrong power for Shinkansen 0 and 700 (DJNekkid) @
18:53:18  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #1328 (Feedback): Wrong power for Shinkansen 0 and 700 (DJNekkid) @
18:54:51  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 685:3d9c5649b01b: Codechange: Remove execution rights for python ... (Alberth) @
18:54:51  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 686:704a6844d129: Codechange: More removal of execution rights. (Alberth) @
18:54:51  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature Request #1329 (New): allow trailing "," on last group(?) item (Ammler) @
18:55:39  <Alberth> Hirundo, Yexo: I just removed the execution rights of many files, a pull would probably be useful
18:58:57  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature Request #1327: allow more than 255 names (Ammler) @
18:59:04  <Alberth> I would be surprised if the town list was the only list in nml
19:00:30  <Brot6> Total Town Replacement Set - Revision 17:db1ba8700221: Cleanup: also remove action14-option to di... (foobar) @
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19:04:51  <FooBar> planetmaker: link in #1325 doesn't work...
19:04:51  <Brot6> FooBar: planetmaker: #1325 is "FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #1325: DevZone compile failed - #openttdcoop Development Zone"
19:11:30  <Ammler> FooBar: I am working on it
19:11:38  <Ammler> sorry :-(
19:12:07  <FooBar> no problem, I decided to do something else anyways :)
19:12:40  <Ammler> REBUILD triggered a remove
19:13:11  <Ammler> this script is growing and growing, I really should split it
19:15:08  <Ammler> Yexo: so nmlc -d isn't recommend for the cf?
19:15:11  * Alberth hands Ammler a big axe
19:15:30  <Yexo> Ammler: I think it should work fine if you redirect stdout to a file
19:15:47  <Yexo> but the terminal you used doesn't support utf8, so nlmc could write the town names to stdout
19:16:01  <Ammler> :-o
19:16:02  <Yexo> fixing that problem in nmlc is too much work
19:16:27  <Ammler> I do pipe it to the a file
19:16:29  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 687:d9b6f1703fad: Codechange: Townnames use pre_process() to do t... (Alberth) @
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20:42:51  <FooBar> planetmaker: can I fix #1325?
20:42:52  <Brot6> FooBar: planetmaker: #1325 is "FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #1325: DevZone compile failed - #openttdcoop Development Zone"
20:43:15  <FooBar> as it's assigned to you and all...
20:43:27  <Ammler> FooBar: that is automatic
20:43:39  <Ammler> it does assign to the last committer
20:44:00  <FooBar> so the bugreport is also automatic?
20:44:14  <Ammler> yes, cf does produce a ticket if compile fails
20:44:20  <FooBar> neat! :)
20:44:30  <Ammler> and the assign is for mailing
20:44:34  <FooBar> I din't know that, but now that you say...
20:44:44  <FooBar> it is added by "compiler" :)
20:44:45  <Ammler> well, it is a new feature :-P
20:45:06  <FooBar> then I fix it, as it's one " too many
20:45:54  <FooBar> if pm did the bugreport himself, then I would have submitted a patch for it ;)
20:46:41  <Ammler> well, as it is a immediate bug, you can't assign it and idle for a day
20:47:12  <FooBar> true :)
20:48:08  <FooBar> anyways, it's fixed now
20:48:35  <FooBar> planetmaker: never mind what I highlighted earlier, it's solved now. Thanks though :)
20:49:23  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1275:7423f46efe53: Fix: double quote too many in German ... (foobar) @
20:49:23  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #1325 (Closed): DevZone compile failed (foobar) @
20:52:00  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1324: Translations: support OpenTTD string format codes (foobar) @
20:54:25  <Alberth> bummer, townnames splitting is non-trivial :(
20:56:56  <Alberth> good night
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21:09:31  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature Request #1327: allow more than 255 names (compiler) @
21:10:56  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature Request #1327: allow more than 255 names (Ammler) @
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21:24:28  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1276:7e9f1039680e: Feature: user-built industries don't ... (foobar) @
21:29:52  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1236: 1 tile buffer should be ignored when player / scen... (foobar) @
21:29:52  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1330 (Assigned): 1 tile buffer - Retail Market (foobar) @
21:33:59  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1330 (Assigned): 1 tile buffer - Retail Market / Superma... (foobar) @
21:39:49  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1330 (Closed): 1 tile buffer - Retail Market / Supermarket (foobar) @
21:39:50  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1277:ff7505627e13: Feature: add cb 2F to retailmarket, s... (foobar) @
21:39:50  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1330 (Closed): 1 tile buffer - Retail Market / Supermarket (foobar) @
21:52:30  * Rubidium hopes FooBar won't kill me :)
21:52:42  <FooBar> what? why?
21:53:08  <Rubidium> see the FIRS thread
21:54:14  <FooBar> please don't kill me back then :P
21:54:39  <FooBar> very well observed though
21:55:32  <FooBar> maybe I should've added Waldo to the picture...
22:02:36  <FooBar> good night
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22:44:06  <Brot6> Example NewGRF Project - Bug #845: Make got slow :| (planetmaker) @
22:47:14  <Brot6> Example NewGRF Project - Bug #845: Speed on windows systems (planetmaker) @
22:47:14  <Brot6> Example NewGRF Project - Bug #845 (Confirmed): Speed on windows systems (planetmaker) @
22:50:33  <Brot6> swisstowns: compile of r8 still failed (##1326) -
22:53:15  <Brot6> Example NewGRF Project - Bug #1331 (Confirmed): Use default (global) OpenTTD data dirs for install (planetmaker) @
22:54:21  <Brot6> Swiss Town Names - Revision 9:3c472f019834: Fix: nmlc -d doesn't work on the CF (Ammler) @
22:56:02  <Brot6> swisstowns: update from r6 to r9 done (2 errors) -
22:56:47  <Brot6> Example NewGRF Project - Bug #1332 (Confirmed): Separate names for binary and source distribution (planetmaker) @
22:56:47  <Brot6> Example NewGRF Project - Feature #1333 (Assigned): Add separate install dir for documentation files (planetmaker) @
23:00:59  <Brot6> Swiss Town Names - Bug #1326 (Closed): DevZone compile failed (Ammler) @
23:00:59  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1324: Translations: support OpenTTD string format codes (planetmaker) @
23:11:08  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Support #1304: Mission statement (athanasios) @
23:14:41  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Support #1304: Mission statement (planetmaker) @
23:15:11  <Brot6> Example NewGRF Project - Feature #1333: Add separate install dir for documentation files (planetmaker) @
23:16:43  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #1263: Toyland Rough Land (athanasios) @
23:17:42  <Brot6> Example NewGRF Project - Bug #1331: Use default (global) OpenTTD data dirs for install (planetmaker) @
23:18:28  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #1263: Toyland Rough Land (athanasios) @
23:18:41  <OwenS> planetmaker: I'm impressed that you guys manage to keep changing the sample project
23:19:09  <planetmaker> OwenS: it's my central repo where I gather and merge all required changes
23:19:18  <OwenS> planetmaker: Aah
23:19:21  <planetmaker> I fix something in A --> commit it there
23:19:26  <planetmaker> fix in B --> commit it there
23:19:34  <planetmaker> later then: copy everything to all projects
23:19:46  <planetmaker> as such I have the same everywhere. Easy maintenance
23:19:50  * OwenS thinks you should hg(?) clone everything from it :p
23:20:01  <OwenS> Probably too late for that now though
23:20:15  <planetmaker> I could. But that would add stuff which is not needed
23:20:22  <OwenS> aah
23:20:23  <planetmaker> And it evolved
23:20:34  <planetmaker> It wasn't as uniform as today :-)
23:20:58  <planetmaker> I thought of making a release branch which I could clone
23:21:10  <planetmaker> But that would add instantaneously 200 commits to every repo
23:21:16  <planetmaker> pointless ones
23:21:28  * OwenS needs to go figure out which bits of his home directory contain Linux binaries to dump as he migrates to his new lappy
23:21:44  <planetmaker> eh?
23:21:56  <OwenS> Pointless bringing binaries with me during an OS transition :p
23:22:06  <planetmaker> just install the system on a new HDD and copy home ;-)
23:22:25  <planetmaker> Going through that... pointless waste of time, given the price tag on HDD space
23:22:31  <OwenS> I probably also don't need 50 old versions of openttd in ~/.opt :p
23:22:36  <planetmaker> :-P
23:23:23  <Rubidium> planetmaker: yeah, too much HDD... must fill... that's why I've got a clone of an old HDD that had a clone of even an older HDD
23:23:42  <Rubidium> couldn't be bothered figuring out whether everything could be dropped or whether I might need one of the files
23:23:43  <planetmaker> hehe @ Rubidium :-)
23:23:46  <Rubidium> so... just keep them
23:23:51  <planetmaker> exactly
23:23:54  <OwenS> Oh god... I have ~/OldHome/oldhome/ ...
23:24:02  <planetmaker> And you're by far not the only one with that kind of structure
23:24:26  <OwenS> And the ammount of sheer crap that gets dropped in ~/ is unbelieveable
23:24:34  <Rubidium> /home/backup/home/backup/home/...
23:24:41  <planetmaker> :-) I keep that moderately clean, OwenS ;-)
23:24:45  <planetmaker> haha
23:25:05  <OwenS> Heck, I think I have an old version of my music collection in ~/Music for no good reason
23:25:06  <Rubidium> I definitely need a symlink of .openttd to .open in ~/
23:25:16  <Rubidium> otherwise .openoffice messes with tab completetion
23:25:25  <planetmaker> :-)
23:25:37  <OwenS> What do they have in there? :S
23:25:56  <OwenS> Oh wow
23:26:01  <Rubidium> in ~/.openttd?
23:26:02  <planetmaker> I have a symlink from my ottd/cfgdir dir to ~/.openttd
23:26:03  <Brot6> Swiss Town Names - Revision 10:b4f8b9b60d08: Doc: add changelog and zipper for the fruit bucket (Ammler) @
23:26:22  <OwenS>  /home/oshepherd/ /home/oshepherd/.openoffice.org2 /home/oshepherd/.openoffice.org2.0 <-- why?!
23:27:16  <Rubidium> 600 MiB of savegames, 400 MiB of NewGRFs and 100 MiB of scenarios/AIs (seems moderate
23:27:20  <Rubidium> +)
23:27:49  <OwenS>  /home/oshepherd/.lvm_history <-- You've gotta be kidding me... why could I possibly want history completion for the lvm command?!
23:28:30  <Brot6> swisstowns: update from r9 to r10 done (2 errors) -
23:28:51  <Rubidium> yay... 900 MiB of ccache (*only* used for my newobjects hg mq)
23:29:35  <OwenS> Heh, ~ seems to be full of pdfs that some idiot browser has dropped there
23:29:39  <planetmaker> he
23:35:17  <planetmaker> when I saw todays commits, I nearly expected to see one called 'Feature: newgrf feature 0F' ;-)
23:37:21  <planetmaker> anyway... I wish you a good night for now
23:37:33  <Rubidium> nope, it needs some actual testing and some "go ahead" from the TTDP devs that they agree with the spec
23:37:50  <Rubidium> as it's slightly different than the currently used on in TTDP
23:38:53  <Rubidium> Ammler: if you want a thread moved, just report the FP of that thread. That's way more effective :)
23:39:19  * OwenS always feels funny for writing "ARMv7 ARM" (Referring to the Architecture Reference Manual...)
23:40:47  <Rubidium> not even an action14 is his new swiss town names NewGRF
23:41:44  <Ammler> does nml have that already?
23:42:04  <Brot6> repository /home/ottdc/hg-repos/frenchtowns registered in Redmine with url /home/ottdc/hg-repos/frenchtowns
23:42:04  <Brot6> repository /home/ottdc/hg-repos/frenchtowns created
23:45:39  <Ammler> Rubidium: you mean reporting like spam?
23:46:05  <Ammler> with the "!" thingy?
23:47:00  <Rubidium> yup, and then the "Other" section
23:49:59  <OwenS> "Report post" should really be called the "Moderator attention button" :p
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