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00:07:29 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 00:31:20 <Brot6> Bundles Update: r20739 2010-09-05 32bpp-ez (http://finger.openttdcoop.org) 00:34:17 *** Seberoth_ has quit IRC 01:10:04 *** thgergo has quit IRC 03:42:20 <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Revision 148:b4922fc8c57a: Change: Rework parameters slightly and add support for... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/swedishrails/repository/revisions/b4922fc8c57a 06:26:21 <Brot6> Belarusian Town Names - Revision 1:bd0b4bc65034: Priority of towns adjusted. (Alexander "KorneySan" Kornienko) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/belarusiantowns/repository/revisions/bd0b4bc65034 06:27:36 *** KorneySan has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 06:27:46 <KorneySan> hello to all 06:28:07 *** KorneySan is now known as Guest680 06:29:33 <Guest680> Ammler, I had uploaded a new revision. I done it from home. 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(foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/5ebfbf3cbc2e 09:40:09 <andythenorth> FooBar: morning 09:40:16 <FooBar> morning andythenorth 09:40:27 <FooBar> cement... 09:40:37 <andythenorth> 0.4 !compatible with 0.5 I guess 09:40:57 <FooBar> true, but it was already incompatible with the removal of water 09:41:09 <FooBar> otherwise I wouldn't have done this moving about 09:42:37 <FooBar> I'm starting to think that replacing cement with building materials is a good idea 09:42:46 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 09:45:54 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #1427 (New): Taurus is a very low speed engine (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1427 09:51:28 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 09:59:25 <Hirundo> Yexo: Nice work on the tile layouts, could you actually 'hg add' them ? :) 10:06:57 <andythenorth> FooBar: if bricks are also building materials, that cargo starts to make some sense 10:07:25 <andythenorth> also the lumber yard could produce building materials 10:07:58 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:10:20 <Terkhen> where are building materials delivered? only towns? 10:10:40 <andythenorth> in the initial case yes 10:10:54 <andythenorth> industries don't need them 10:11:15 <andythenorth> I thought of using them during industry construction stage, but it's clunky and probably not fun 10:11:24 * Terkhen agrees 10:11:37 <andythenorth> except perhaps for windfarms... 10:11:46 <andythenorth> maybe new objects should accept building materials... 10:11:50 <Ammler> hehe Hirundo, this happens to everyone :-) 10:11:50 <andythenorth> :P 10:12:23 <Terkhen> new objects can accept stuff? 10:12:40 <andythenorth> I doubt it 10:21:32 <Rubidium> Terkhen: they can accept autosloping, but besides that... nope 10:22:43 <Terkhen> hmmm... I don't think they should anyways 10:31:20 <FooBar> andythenorth: yes, I was thinking the same if bricks are building material 10:33:03 <Ammler> Rubidium: the compiler seems to work :-) 10:33:37 <Ammler> this night, we will see, if it detects no need for it... 10:37:42 <FooBar> hey, maybe even make building materials the cargo that snow and desert towns need to grow! 10:39:31 <andythenorth> FooBar: that would make sense, more so than petrol 10:40:03 <FooBar> well, petrol isn't needed for town growth currently, that's goods (in desert) and food (desert and snow) 10:40:14 <FooBar> but still 10:40:29 <FooBar> building materials makes as much if not more sense for towns to grow than goods 10:42:02 <FooBar> and then in towns we can have a builder, and in later years a contractor and a DIY store 10:42:32 <Ammler> hmm, I really should use MQ more often, now I have again 2 different patches applied to ogfx 10:48:43 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:57:39 <andythenorth> FooBar: do you want to convert cement to building materials then? 10:57:50 <andythenorth> it can go against #1426 10:57:51 <Brot6> andythenorth: #1426 is http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/show/1426 "FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1426: Don't try and make Cement cargo more than it is - #openttdcoop Development Zone" 10:57:54 <FooBar> I think that might not be a bad idea 10:59:26 <FooBar> I'll add it and then we can see if it's any good. It's more flexible than cement, so I think it will work out rather well 11:01:36 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1426 (Assigned): Don't try and make Cement cargo more th... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1426 11:01:36 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1426 (Assigned): Don't try and make Cement cargo more th... (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1426#change-3798 11:03:32 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 707:07534dbcde8c: Fix: hg add nml/ast/tilelayout.py (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/07534dbcde8c 11:04:06 <FooBar> andythenorth: BDMT as label? 11:04:13 <andythenorth> I guess 11:05:49 <andythenorth> someone has added a label for WATT :P 11:05:53 <andythenorth> (to the TTDP wiki) 11:08:17 <FooBar> heh 11:08:37 <FooBar> class? covered bulk or covered piecegoods? 11:08:44 * frosch123 blames pikka 11:09:09 <Rubidium> bulk piecegoods! 11:09:40 <Rubidium> all those nails needed to make a house :) 11:10:25 <FooBar> hmmm... the steel mill can make building materials as well 11:10:47 <FooBar> but somehow I don't think vehicle sets are equipped for bulk piecegoods 11:11:39 <andythenorth> FooBar: classes I have no idea :P 11:11:46 <andythenorth> pretty much anything really 11:12:06 <FooBar> covered bulk refrigerated express piecegoods 11:12:11 <andythenorth> liquid 11:12:27 <andythenorth> armoured 11:12:40 <FooBar> oversized 11:12:48 <andythenorth> bit 9 looks ok 11:12:54 <andythenorth> covered / sheltered freight 11:13:03 <andythenorth> meh 11:13:22 <andythenorth> there are two ways to choose classes (1) what would MB do (the slightly anal route) 11:13:35 <andythenorth> and (2) what classes do Pikka's vehicles already offer :P 11:13:53 <FooBar> :) 11:14:26 <FooBar> covered it is 11:14:33 <FooBar> that should work fine I guess 11:16:55 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 708:595960ac6128: Feature: varaction2 vars for industry tiles (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/595960ac6128 11:16:55 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 709:7d202dcb5fc5: Feature: varaction2 vars for industries (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/7d202dcb5fc5 11:21:11 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #1428 (New): Climate dependant airports in ogfxe_extra (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1428 11:23:20 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #1428: Climate dependant airports in ogfxe_extra (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1428#change-3799 11:26:31 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1341:16ac415c230e: Feature: new building materials cargo... (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/16ac415c230e 11:26:31 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1407 (Closed): Add Cement Cargo (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1407#change-3800 11:26:45 <FooBar> crap, wrong number 11:27:26 <FooBar> oh well, I probably closed an issue that doesn't exist 11:28:51 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1426 (Closed): Don't try and make Cement cargo more than... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1426 11:28:51 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1426 (Closed): Don't try and make Cement cargo more than... (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1426#change-3801 11:30:13 <andythenorth> :) 11:30:40 * andythenorth wonders if Glassworks should produce BDMT 11:32:40 <andythenorth> FooBar: I'll make the Cement Plant produce BDMT now 11:32:48 <FooBar> ok 11:33:34 <FooBar> glass works can also produce bdmt next to mnsp 11:34:23 <FooBar> maybe redmine will issue an error on the creation of issue 1462: "cannot open issue, already closed" :P 11:35:30 <Ammler> ? 11:35:34 <Alberth> "please make up your mind first" :) 11:35:48 <Ammler> there is Reopen 11:37:22 <FooBar> I accidentally added (closes #1462) to an issue where I meant 1426. And 1462 doesn't exist yet :P 11:37:59 <FooBar> s/issue/commit 11:45:03 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 710:302d4e3b6dd3: Change: add a default railtype table and remove... (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/302d4e3b6dd3 11:46:07 <Brot6> #openttdcoop - Revision 122:c70514a417aa: [Compiler] more docs (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/home/repository/revisions/c70514a417aa 11:46:07 <Brot6> #openttdcoop - Revision 123:d78f7104b6a4: Fix: be sure to have the MQ available before popping (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/home/repository/revisions/d78f7104b6a4 11:51:20 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #1428: Climate dependant airports in ogfxe_extra (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1428#change-3804 11:58:48 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1342:1c4a3b67cc42: Feature: Cement Plant now produces Bu... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/1c4a3b67cc42 12:00:21 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1343:014071890495: Feature: Lumber Yard now produces sec... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/014071890495 12:00:39 <andythenorth> FooBar: ^ that last commit should also better balance ENSP 12:01:03 <andythenorth> with Machine Shop as only source, there weren't enough 12:01:08 <andythenorth> with Lumber Yard there are too many 12:01:31 <andythenorth> now the Lumber Yard will divide output between two cargos, so reduces ENSP 12:02:02 <FooBar> that should be good I think 12:03:00 <andythenorth> so what class did you choose for BDMT (I'm updating TT Foundry) 12:04:38 <FooBar> covered 12:05:16 <FooBar> I listed everything at the newgrf spec wiki, also the changed ids 12:06:09 <andythenorth> so Glassworks - BDMT instead of Goods? 12:06:15 <andythenorth> they're both town cargos either way... 12:06:51 <FooBar> should be a good change. There's enough stuff that produces goods 12:08:38 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 711:6e5bce5a8ffd: Doc #1419: update documentation for rail vehicles (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/6e5bce5a8ffd 12:09:01 <andythenorth> FooBar: Brickworks or Pottery? 12:09:07 <andythenorth> (accepts clay and sand) 12:09:14 <FooBar> given building materials, I'd say bricksworks 12:09:28 <andythenorth> me too 12:09:40 <FooBar> pottery can be added later if we want to 12:09:40 <andythenorth> I'll add it to the site 12:15:31 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1344:ed90432454f2: Change: assign ID to Brick Works (2D) (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/ed90432454f2 12:26:30 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1345:bd489ced46a4: Cleanup: remove definitions for power... (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/bd489ced46a4 12:35:34 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1346:0f075fc56f95: Lang: update Dutch translation (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/0f075fc56f95 12:40:47 <Brot6> OpenMSX - Bug #1429 (New): package openmsx already exists (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1429 12:41:28 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1408 (Closed): Cement Plant should produce Building Mate... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1408#change-3806 12:41:29 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1341 (Closed): Consider adding Clay cargo, Claypit industry (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1341#change-3807 12:41:29 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1347:4b2b5d66598b: Codechange: update remove_defines and... (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/4b2b5d66598b 12:42:28 <Ammler> remove_defines still needed? 12:42:40 <FooBar> yes, unfortunately 12:43:00 <FooBar> that's due to the fact that action 14 and action 4 cannot be defined at the same place 12:43:12 <FooBar> you want action 14 before action 8, and action 4 after 12:43:20 <Ammler> yes, but remove_defines is generated automatically isn't? 12:43:31 <FooBar> is it? 12:43:43 <Ammler> hmm, maybe not committed yet 12:44:25 <FooBar> possibly, as I updated it because cpp spitted warnings 12:45:51 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1348:2f7427d944e1: Change: assign ID to Ethanol Plant (2E) (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/2f7427d944e1 12:47:47 <Ammler> yes, #1390 still open 12:47:47 <Brot6> Ammler: yes: #1390 is http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/show/1390 "FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1390: Feature: Generate lang/remove_defines.pnfo automatically from the English language file - #openttdcoop Development Zone" 12:47:57 <FooBar> andythenorth: are those commits just because you want to commit something? 12:48:16 <FooBar> As I don't see the added benefit of defining an id but not the industry :) 12:48:28 <andythenorth> no, because I'm going through the website sorting out the IDs ;) 12:48:45 <FooBar> ok, that's a good enough reason :) 12:49:24 <FooBar> I'm going to watch a little top gear now 12:50:50 <Ammler> I don't see why, though 12:50:59 <Ammler> looks like working... 12:54:23 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #818 (Closed): Sandpit improvements (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/818#change-3808 13:58:59 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Bug #1430 (New): make bundle broken on cygwin (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1430 14:04:35 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1349:60bab6d0f3e1: Change: slight improvement to Gravel ... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/60bab6d0f3e1 15:07:55 <Terkhen> would it be useful to update the check_language script to also show strings that are translated but are not defined at the base translation anymore? 15:42:39 <Alberth> probably 15:43:06 <Alberth> I don't know whether that check is done in NML 15:44:37 <Terkhen> I also wanted a check for knowing if a string has been changed since it was translated... I just noticed that gravel is now called stone in FIRS 15:45:24 <Yexo> that check is done 15:46:55 <Terkhen> then this is just doing the same work twice... but I don't know if converting only the strings part of FIRS to NML is feasible / desirable 15:47:45 *** yorick has quit IRC 15:47:45 *** OwenS has quit IRC 15:48:54 *** yorick has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:48:54 *** OwenS has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:49:26 <Yexo> Terkhen: doing that for the action14 strings only is easy, for the other strings probably not because there is no way to force a certain stringid in nml 15:50:22 <Yexo> for some strings it would be possible by converting the action0/action4 that uses a certain string also to nml 15:50:34 <Yexo> for other strings (those used in callbacks) I think it's currently impossible 15:53:04 <Terkhen> I think that all action4 are in the same file, but converting all action0 would require converting FIRS almost completely... I'll just redo the check :) 15:53:57 <Yexo> you'd only need to convert the part of the action0 that uses the stringid 15:54:11 <Yexo> that should only be a small part 15:57:33 <Terkhen> hmm... it'd be a big change anyways; I guess I'll open a task about this 16:06:17 <FooBar> The gravel > stone change is likely to get changed back 16:07:30 <FooBar> And yes, it might be useful to find removed strings in a language. Unless every language gets it's own undefine file, then it doesn't matter. 16:11:14 <Terkhen> I was thinking on the clay->stone change when suggesting that new feature to the script, but FIRS is still using the clay defines for stone so there are no orphan defines at the translations 16:29:11 <FooBar> gotta go now, bye! 16:29:13 *** FooBar has quit IRC 16:32:37 <Ammler> a translator has automatically a bananas account? 16:32:44 <Ammler> or does it need activation? 16:33:17 <Brot6> belarusiantowns: update from r0 to r1 done (1 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/belarusiantowns/nightlies/r1 16:33:56 <Terkhen> I remember creating a bananas account after getting my translator account, but I think that was before the accounts were unified 16:34:11 <Brot6> firs: update from r1337 to r1349 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/nightlies/r1349 16:35:50 <Brot6> nforenum: update from r497 to r501 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/nforenum/nightlies/r501 16:36:36 <Brot6> nml: update from r700 to r711 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/nml/nightlies/r711 16:37:09 <Brot6> swedishrails: update from r147 to r148 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/swedishrails/nightlies/r148 16:37:14 <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 2cctrainset (r602), 32bpp-extra (r39), airportsplus (r53), basecosts (r20), comic-houses (r71), fish (r390), frenchtowns (r3), grfcodec (r245), heqs (r372), metrotrackset (r56), newgrf_makefile (r174), nforenum.data (ERROR r486), nutracks (r115), ogfxplus (r41), opengfx (r523), openmsx (r97), opensfx (r97), snowlinemod (r42), swisstowns (r13), transrapidtrackset (r15), ttdviewer (r25), ttrs 16:37:14 <Brot6> (r18), worldairlinersset (r663) 16:39:09 <Brot6> airportsplus: rebuild of r53 done (Diffsize: 2) (DiffDiffsize: 5) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/airportsplus/nightlies/r53/log 16:39:30 <Brot6> basecosts: rebuild of r20 done (Diffsize: 12) (DiffDiffsize: 7) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/basecosts/nightlies/r20/log 16:40:09 <Ammler> oh, rpms aren't needed in every project :-) 16:40:26 <Brot6> comic-houses: rebuild of r71 done (3 errors) (Diffsize: 14) (DiffDiffsize: 7) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/comic-houses/nightlies/r71/log 16:51:20 <Brot6> OpenMSX - Bug #1429: package openmsx already exists (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1429#change-3809 16:53:10 <andythenorth> no foobar? 16:53:35 <Ammler> @seen foobar 16:53:35 <Webster> Ammler: foobar was last seen in #openttdcoop.devzone 24 minutes and 24 seconds ago: <FooBar> gotta go now, bye! 16:54:06 <Ammler> or do you mean with foobar just a dummy user? 16:54:10 <Ammler> I am here :-) 16:56:26 <Brot6> Following repos rebuilds successful without any difference to earlier nightlies builds: fish (4 errors), frenchtowns (1 errors) (Diffsize: 1), heqs (Diffsize: 1), metrotrackset (Diffsize: 1), newgrf_makefile, nutracks (2 errors), ogfxplus (Diffsize: 6), opengfx, snowlinemod, swisstowns (1 errors) (Diffsize: 1), transrapidtrackset (Diffsize: 12), ttrs (125 errors) (Diffsize: 1322), worldairlinersset 17:12:33 <planetmaker> <Ammler> hmm, maybe not committed yet <-- I didn't commit anything related to that yet 17:12:42 <planetmaker> good evening also :-) 17:12:53 <planetmaker> that = remove_defines.pnfo in FIRS 17:14:32 <Ammler> you worry about something there? 17:21:37 <planetmaker> no, not really 17:21:48 <planetmaker> But it needs to be generated automatically 17:21:57 <planetmaker> So it needs testing whether that always works. 17:22:15 <planetmaker> As such it needs *some* more representation in the build script than just that line *somewhere* 17:22:45 <planetmaker> and what I have does not quite work as reliably as I'd like it 17:28:16 <Ammler> my sed works 17:28:32 <planetmaker> my proposal, too 17:28:40 <planetmaker> Just the proper place in the makefile not yet 17:43:53 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1350:be953407d35b: Change: Update Spanish translation. (Terkhen) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/be953407d35b 17:44:40 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Bug #1431 (New): Internal error when action14 string not found (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1431 17:47:30 *** yorick has quit IRC 17:58:31 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature #1174 (Reopened): Action 14 support (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1174#change-3810 18:20:26 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Revision 603:2dc70c0004d5: Change: Slight rebalance of mainly lifetimes and model... (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/2dc70c0004d5 18:20:26 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Revision 604:db2acbfbbd2a: Change: 'TGV Atlantique -> TGV Sud-Est' (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/db2acbfbbd2a 18:20:26 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Revision 605:01c5eb09af88: Add: Mav Class M44 (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/01c5eb09af88 18:20:27 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Revision 606:be9c96b3f75a: Fix: The chimaera had the wrong nutracks setting (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/be9c96b3f75a 18:20:31 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Revision 607:c996574b06c1: Fix: The parameter settings had the wrong values, so e... (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/c996574b06c1 18:20:35 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Revision 608:adc74bb8ddaf: Fix: Running and purchase costs were slight out of syn... (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/adc74bb8ddaf 18:20:39 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Revision 609:65787ba0607e: Fix: close #1427 (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/65787ba0607e 18:20:42 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #1427 (Closed): Taurus is a very low speed engine (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1427#change-3811 18:21:25 <Ammler> I will activate a cleanup script this night, every nightly older as 100 days will go 18:22:11 <Ammler> testing does keep 1 one 18:22:36 <Ammler> no changes for releases... 18:22:48 <Ammler> I can't differ between betas and stable... 18:23:36 <andythenorth> brrr 18:23:49 <andythenorth> I can't remember why FIRS town industries aren't implemented as houses. 18:24:01 <andythenorth> I know it was discussed at length and there are a few reasons 18:24:11 <Terkhen> IIRC you mentioned problems with their placement 18:24:29 <planetmaker> No way to place them and actively build them 18:24:41 <planetmaker> and it doesn't show in the industry list 18:24:54 <Ammler> that is quite a problem in pbi and ecs, if the go, you have to move teh station :-) 18:25:01 <planetmaker> but no control for anything (game + player) over placement is the killer 18:25:26 <DJNekkid> what about a parameter? :) 18:25:39 <Ammler> what is the problem to use industry for it? 18:26:09 <planetmaker> DJNekkid, no parameter can allow you to fund a house ;-) 18:26:27 <DJNekkid> but if someone prefer to have it as house or industry 18:26:30 <planetmaker> try to make a scenario where you can only use random industries 18:26:46 <planetmaker> DJNekkid, what would be the adv. of house? 18:26:56 <DJNekkid> more industry slots :) 18:27:06 <planetmaker> FIRS has sufficient industries 18:27:40 <Hirundo> Yexo: is it intended that multiple cargo / rail type tables can override each other? 18:27:51 <andythenorth> adv. of houses is smaller list of types in minimap 18:28:08 <Yexo> Hirundo: that's somewhat of a weak point in the support for cargotables/railtypetables 18:28:16 <Yexo> currently only a single list is supported 18:28:27 <andythenorth> smaller industry types list means minmap colors collide less 18:28:54 <Hirundo> What would be the advantage of having multiple? Only the 32-cargo limit for the refit mask? 18:29:41 <planetmaker> andythenorth, it'd be a disadvantage 18:29:50 <planetmaker> I wouldn't see anymore what I transport where for gain 18:30:05 <planetmaker> It's like removing half of the industries from display 18:30:09 <andythenorth> planetmaker: how do you know where to transport goods or food? 18:30:13 <andythenorth> (in default ttd) 18:30:14 <planetmaker> Just for the sake of "no colour conflicts" 18:30:25 <planetmaker> andythenorth, big town 18:30:34 <Yexo> Hirundo: you can't have multiple, but you could have a different one depending on some condition 18:30:35 <planetmaker> >1k 18:30:36 <Yexo> at least in nfo 18:30:59 <planetmaker> andythenorth, and indeed that is already not optimal IMHO 18:31:09 <planetmaker> But contrary to a single house I do see the town size 18:31:22 <Hirundo> What would be the advantage of that? (Apart from canset's usage which is pretty insane) 18:31:24 <planetmaker> But I wouldn't see the presence of a single, specific house on the minimap 18:31:39 <andythenorth> planetmaker: I think your points win 18:31:47 <planetmaker> and you don't want to force EVERY town >500 people to have all those industries :-) 18:31:48 <Yexo> Hirundo: no idea 18:32:40 <planetmaker> andythenorth, it's the same argument I gave before :-P 18:32:48 <Hirundo> I know canset refuses to use a cargotable in the proper manner and instead scans which industry grfs are active, so they can achieve "full control' 18:32:52 <andythenorth> planetmaker: write it down somewere :P 18:32:59 <planetmaker> you do that. You keep asking 18:33:04 <andythenorth> :D 18:33:13 <Hirundo> For NML-grfs, I would enforce having only one cargotable, one railtype table and one grf block 18:33:17 <planetmaker> _I_ know why it is a bad idea :-P 18:33:43 <planetmaker> sounds quite sane, what Hirundo says 18:34:21 *** Hirundo is now known as Hirundo_the_sane 18:34:32 <planetmaker> :-D 18:34:33 <Hirundo_the_sane> <- Thanks for confirming pm :) 18:34:41 <planetmaker> lool :-) 18:35:24 <planetmaker> Did you also read all the small print? That which comes with that? :-P 18:36:00 <Hirundo_the_sane> nope 18:36:20 *** Hirundo_the_sane is now known as Hirundo 18:37:01 <planetmaker> oh... No contract to pay monthly €€€ for the keep-sanity medication and so on? :-( 18:38:00 <Hirundo> I don't know... for every n pills I take I have to take n+1 pills to counter the side effects :S lost count somewhere along the way tough 18:39:44 <andythenorth> planetmaker: I added a note about town industries here :P http://tt-foundry.com/sets/FIRS/schema/economies 18:39:48 <Webster> Title: TT Foundry: Pixel Creations for OpenTTD (at tt-foundry.com) 18:44:15 <planetmaker> hehe 18:55:25 <DJNekkid> hmm, beta4 time? 18:55:39 <planetmaker> why not ;-) ? 18:56:13 <DJNekkid> i know voyager1 still have drawn some stuff thats not "in" yet :) 18:56:36 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1351:e99cc76cec4f: Change: add ID for Builders Yard (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/e99cc76cec4f 18:57:51 <planetmaker> "not in yet" is no reason ;-) 18:58:16 <planetmaker> Also the question rather is: what do you want 2.0 exactly to stand for. And what is additional goodies which could come in 2.1 or so 18:58:16 <DJNekkid> nope :D 18:58:55 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature #1174: Action 14 support (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1174#change-3812 18:58:57 <DJNekkid> 2.0: better balance, better alignment, etc 18:59:23 <planetmaker> that's no 'aim' in that sense :-) 19:00:17 <DJNekkid> okei; pushing the limits of newgrf further :) 19:00:36 <Hirundo> Yexo: does an unknown property in a grf/param block trigger an error? 19:03:12 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature #1174 (Closed): Action 14 support (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1174#change-3813 19:03:12 <Brot6> 2cctrainset: update from 2.0.0-Beta3 to 2.0.0-Beta4 done (31 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/2cctrainset/releases/2.0.0-Beta4 19:03:44 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Revision 610:a4355713138f: Added tag 2.0.0-Beta4 for changeset 65787ba0607e (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/a4355713138f 19:03:57 <Yexo> no, but it should 19:04:50 <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Revision 149:596ed631a7a7: Fix (r148): Default values didn't quite work (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/swedishrails/repository/revisions/596ed631a7a7 19:05:30 <planetmaker> thanks, Yexo :-) ^ 19:05:58 <Hirundo> Shall I push a quick fix? 19:06:10 <Yexo> sure 19:07:38 <Hirundo> I hope it works, as I lack either the time or code to test 19:08:50 <Hirundo> goodnight folks 19:10:41 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 712:859d17ac9771: Fix: Show an error message if an unknown settin... (Hirundo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/859d17ac9771 19:11:48 <planetmaker> good night, Hirundo 19:14:52 <Ammler> oh nice, nml a14 example 19:14:57 <Ammler> now I could add that too :-) 19:15:11 <planetmaker> jo. There you are :-) 19:16:54 <planetmaker> DJNekkid, it'd be nice to actually at least make a link in the posting to the information you present ;-) 19:17:07 <planetmaker> I guess there are more people than just me who only click on the new postings 19:17:19 <planetmaker> And then I find things like "look at the first posting" always a bit irritating 19:17:50 <Brot6> 32bpp-ez-patches: update from r20739 to r20750 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/32bpp-ez-patches/testing/r20750 19:17:50 <planetmaker> as it involves scrolling, clicking and more scrolling possilby. 19:18:35 <Brot6> clientpatches: compile of r20750 still failed (#1399) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/clientpatches/testing/ERROR/r20750 19:21:22 <Ammler> hehe cpp fails already with findversion patch 19:21:38 <Ammler> planetmaker: update! 19:21:42 <Ammler> :-D 19:21:57 <planetmaker> hm? Update what? 19:22:27 <Ammler> omg, thee is a LumberMill graphic 19:22:37 <Ammler> now I need to code that? 19:23:02 <planetmaker> yup :-) 19:23:12 <Ammler> ogfx+ ind? 19:23:15 <planetmaker> And I even made the OpenGFX+ industries project already for you ;-) 19:23:49 <planetmaker> Which actually should get the snowy forests floating in the forums, as well 19:24:00 <planetmaker> With the author's consent that is 19:26:09 <DJNekkid> planetmaker: ill fix 19:26:38 <planetmaker> :-) 19:26:41 <Brot6> serverpatches: update from r20739 to r20750 done (2 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/serverpatches/testing/r20750 19:27:03 <DJNekkid> better now? 19:27:33 <andythenorth> Alberth: is it intended that the cargo chain viewer shows houses accepting food in temperate? 19:28:20 <planetmaker> DJNekkid, much so :-) Thanks 19:28:54 <Alberth> there is no data in the game that defines what houses accept, so I hardcoded some cargoes, not sure whether it includes 'food' 19:29:38 <Alberth> hmm, should check that, a moment 19:30:16 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:31:31 <Alberth> correction, acceptance does come from game data, supply is not present 19:32:05 <Alberth> industry_gui.cpp HousesCanAccept() and HousesCanSupply() lines 2020-2050 19:32:59 <Alberth> so, the answer is "yes" 19:34:28 <frosch123> hmm, i guess HousesCanAccept checks all houses, also those from arctic 19:34:31 <DJNekkid> what versionreq does FIRS have? 19:34:40 <DJNekkid> in r20690 cant i find 0.4 ? 19:34:44 <DJNekkid> or isnt it on bananas yet? 19:40:54 <frosch123> Alberth: andythenorth: http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/diffs/fixclimateacceptance.diff <- something like that? 19:41:53 <planetmaker> DJNekkid, it's there 19:42:22 <Alberth> looks good, you can merge the if with the one above it, but otherwise it is fine 20:02:30 <Ammler> DJNekkid: try again 20:02:34 <Ammler> it was set to custom 20:03:15 <Ammler> nightly 20068 now 20:03:31 <Ammler> is that correct? 20:03:37 <DJNekkid> i found it, i just tried to "update all", but it had its own post or sumthin 20:08:36 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #1432 (New): Load game bug with TTRS-r18 (chillcore) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1432 20:09:03 <Brot6> Autopilot - Feature #1433 (New): silence password generation (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1433 20:33:15 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #1434 (New): Beta 4 not working properly (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1434 20:34:01 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 20:35:21 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #1434: Beta 4 not working properly (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1434#change-3814 20:39:22 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #1432 (Confirmed): Load game bug with TTRS-r18 (chillcore) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1432 20:39:22 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #1432 (Confirmed): Load game bug with TTRS-r18 (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1432#change-3815 20:48:33 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1435 (New): Consider merging some town industries (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1435 20:48:59 * Alberth is happy to see 20:49:04 <Alberth> #1056 20:49:05 <Brot6> Alberth: #1056 is http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/show/1056 "FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #1056: Input cargo discarded for low input values - #openttdcoop Development Zone" 20:49:39 <andythenorth> that would probably be an easy fix involving one addition of max(cargo amount, 8) 20:49:42 <andythenorth> umm 20:49:48 <andythenorth> unexpected smiley :P 20:50:17 <Alberth> oh, I have those disabled, they happen too often when discussing c++ code 20:51:35 <Alberth> keeping track of left-over input cargo is probably much more complicated 20:52:20 <andythenorth> I'm not going to bother. I'm just going to use it up and credit the player with some extra :P 20:53:28 <Alberth> hmm, would buying a smaller truck be useful then? 20:54:07 <Alberth> probably not, as I get paid for delivered cargo only :) 20:55:37 <Alberth> good night 20:56:29 *** Alberth has left #openttdcoop.devzone 21:09:19 <Brot6> Autopilot - Bug #1436 (New): DOS and possible remote code execution (Combuster) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1436 21:12:03 <Brot6> Autopilot - Revision 90:3534a176011a: Feature #1433: don't change pw on paused mode (fix trailing... (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/autopilot/repository/revisions/3534a176011a 21:16:07 <Brot6> 32bpp-ez-patches - Bug #1402 (Closed): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1402 21:18:34 *** Seberoth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:22:53 *** Seberoth_ has quit IRC 21:44:21 <Brot6> 32bpp-ez-patches - Bug #1414: DevZone compile failed (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1414#change-3818 21:51:19 *** ODM has quit IRC 21:56:43 <Ammler> Rubidium: does KorneySan have a bananas account, if so can you share the belarusian with him, if not possible move it to him 21:57:00 <Ammler> (if possible) :-) 21:57:40 <Ammler> I am not sure, if a translator account automatically has a bananas access 21:58:42 <Rubidium> Ammler: he first needs to accept the ToS before I can assign him 21:58:45 <Ammler> ID 1184 it were 21:58:51 <Ammler> ah ok 22:02:39 <Brot6> Belarusian Town Names - Feature #1366: Belarusian town names (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1366#change-3819 22:13:10 <Brot6> Belarusian Town Names - Revision 2:af3c496c8c91: Fix: strings \n -> {} (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/belarusiantowns/repository/revisions/af3c496c8c91 22:17:43 <Brot6> Belarusian Town Names - Code Review #1437 (New): Hint for English necessary only (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1437 22:17:43 <Brot6> Belarusian Town Names - Code Review #1437: Hint for English necessary only (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1437#change-3820 22:31:42 <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Revision 151:ea6cfd2b71bf: Change: Modify some English parameter strings (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/swedishrails/repository/revisions/ea6cfd2b71bf 22:31:42 <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Revision 152:a2e7334172e9: Add #1219: German translation (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/swedishrails/repository/revisions/a2e7334172e9 23:23:22 *** thgergo has quit IRC 23:57:02 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC