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00:37:35 *** thgergo has quit IRC 05:04:13 <Brot6> Indonesian Town Names - Support #1515 (Assigned): convert to nml :-) (fanioz) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1515#change-3995 07:13:37 *** thgergo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:32:19 *** thgergo has quit IRC 08:35:53 <Brot6> GRFCodec - Revision 766:467d351ff107: Fix (r761): compile failure of NFORenum on (at least) MinGW... (Rubidium) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/grfcodec/repository/revisions/467d351ff107 09:15:23 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 09:44:00 <Brot6> Total Town Replacement Set - Revision 21:b755c01f07c0: Add #1323: A bank as house when FIRS is pr... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ttrs/repository/revisions/b755c01f07c0 11:22:08 <planetmaker> @calc 0.8 / (0.8+0.6) 11:22:08 <Webster> planetmaker: 0.571428571429 11:22:23 <planetmaker> @calc 0.8 / (0.8+0.4) 11:22:23 <Webster> planetmaker: 0.666666666667 11:30:27 <Ammler> ? 11:30:48 <Ammler> Hello anyway :-) 11:47:07 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:36:52 <planetmaker> moin Ammler :-) 12:37:10 <planetmaker> and sorry for the highlight :-P 12:37:56 <Ammler> I missed the conversation related to your calc 12:38:37 <planetmaker> there was none ;-) 13:19:56 <planetmaker> Ammler, I wonder whether we should sort the NewGRFs by category on the DevZone or by common theme. 13:20:03 <planetmaker> Currently we kinda mix both methods 13:20:25 <planetmaker> Like Japanese, OpenGFX,... are grouped. But otoh the Town names are grouped 13:20:54 <planetmaker> and one could argue that grouping the track sets would make sense, too 13:21:01 <planetmaker> same with house sets 13:21:13 <Ammler> then do :-) 13:21:28 <planetmaker> or grouping by nfo / nml and then those categories... 13:22:16 <planetmaker> well. I'm not sure what makes sense :-) 13:22:21 <planetmaker> Both does.... 13:22:25 <Ammler> :-) 13:22:34 <Ammler> I wouldn't group nml-nfo 13:22:52 <Ammler> it shouldn't matter, how a grf is done, or does it? 13:22:53 <planetmaker> I mean... where would you currently place Japanese or Dutch Townnames newgrf? 13:23:20 <planetmaker> the *how* doesn't matter ingame. But it might matter when developing it 13:23:47 <Ammler> well, the japanese theme is stalled 13:23:52 <Ammler> at least on our server 13:23:54 <planetmaker> well. yes 13:25:04 <Ammler> the dutch theme can also be splitted 13:25:05 <planetmaker> hm... they could still use it to supply the source code at least for stables. 13:25:11 <Ammler> I think, it matters 13:25:15 <planetmaker> Which they currently don't anywhere. 13:25:38 <planetmaker> what matters? 13:26:05 <Ammler> if the japanese sets would be hosted here, it would make sense to have them together 13:26:19 <planetmaker> ok 13:26:20 <Ammler> but it does also make sense to have the town names a project 13:27:12 <planetmaker> why not sort the Japanese where they belong, to vehicles, stations, railtypes and landscape respectively? 13:27:53 <planetmaker> Hm... we might remove the 'minigrf' category 13:28:27 <Ammler> currently minigrf has still a repo 13:28:38 <planetmaker> one on its own? 13:28:38 <Ammler> I didn't split everything 13:28:50 <Ammler> (yet) 13:29:34 <Ammler> I thought, I use it to have one repo for multiple mini grfs 13:30:15 <planetmaker> yes, I know. I thought it only had sub-projects 13:30:18 <planetmaker> meanwhile 13:30:26 <Ammler> that is the goal 13:31:27 <Ammler> hmm 13:31:57 <Ammler> I could actually convert the houses->station grf to houses->objects 13:34:15 <planetmaker> I guess we could keep the somewhat mixed structure ;-) 13:38:32 *** Brot6 has quit IRC 13:39:20 *** Brot6 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:43:34 <Brot6> Indonesian Town Names - Revision 1:7fb6c6087007: Import repository properties from http://mz.open... (fanioz) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/indonesiantowns/repository/revisions/7fb6c6087007 14:49:08 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #1517: DevZone compile failed (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1517#change-3996 15:02:35 <Ammler> #942 15:02:36 <Brot6> Ammler: #942 is http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/show/942 "OpenGFX - Feature #942: Profit icons are too similar to "moving" icon - #openttdcoop Development Zone" 15:04:22 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Bug #1470: makefile issues (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1470#change-3926 15:04:53 <planetmaker> Do you agree that the start/stop icons should not be changed? I like the existing better than his new design... 15:05:15 <planetmaker> maybe I'm just conservative or because I drew the cross myself :-P 15:05:59 <Ammler> well, cross is indeed not stop 15:06:10 <Ammler> it is more remove/delete 15:06:21 <planetmaker> hm... 15:06:34 <Ammler> stop is usually a square, but the cross might be better distinguishable 15:06:52 <planetmaker> he proposed arrow and 'blob' 15:08:26 <Ammler> yeah :-) 15:08:29 <planetmaker> the cross and the circle are easier to distinguish at that size than the error and the circle 15:08:40 <Ammler> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/909/icons.png <-- this? 15:08:49 <planetmaker> But I have to agree. x is most offen rather dismiss / delete. 15:08:54 <planetmaker> yes 15:09:15 <Ammler> they are so damn small 15:09:34 <planetmaker> :-) That's life. Or wait for Zephyris. And some fixes to the GUI 15:09:39 <Ammler> maybe we should make those a bit bigger? 15:09:41 <planetmaker> currently his newgrf is not really usable 15:09:55 <Ammler> not doubling, but maybe 1-2 pixesl 15:10:18 <planetmaker> you could try. I wouldn't mind. But it has limitations. 15:10:25 <Ammler> the new gui system should be able to handle that, right? 15:10:32 <planetmaker> no ;-) 15:10:42 <Ammler> :-) 15:10:44 <planetmaker> try Zephyris' double-size sprites 15:10:58 <planetmaker> It shows you clearly where the new GUI still needs some re-work in that respect 15:11:10 <planetmaker> that's one of those places 15:11:16 <Ammler> lol 15:11:29 <Ammler> then I don't need to try :-P 15:12:50 <planetmaker> slightly bigger (1,2px) might work 15:13:00 <planetmaker> maybe I also remember wrongly 15:13:54 <planetmaker> but I recall that line heights usually are not adjusted; e.g. in a depot 15:14:14 <Ammler> ic 15:15:02 <Ammler> #839 15:15:04 <Brot6> Ammler: #839 is http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/show/839 "OpenGFX - Feature #839: 4737-4742: Fizzy drink factory - #openttdcoop Development Zone" 15:16:07 <planetmaker> but as written: only if you feel like ;-) 15:16:15 <planetmaker> I'm not sure what I shall reply ;-) 15:16:32 <planetmaker> he's certainly right with what he writes... but... I *know* that in principle 15:17:23 <Ammler> well, I prefer first to setup the server 15:17:24 <planetmaker> it's just... my days only have 24h and... you know it ;-) 15:17:34 <planetmaker> That's what I thought and hoped. 15:17:44 <planetmaker> I mainly sent it to you so that you can tell me how to react ;-) 15:18:22 <Ammler> hehe, you could ask him, if he likes to commit it self ;-) 15:18:32 <planetmaker> I thought so already, too 15:18:35 <planetmaker> Maybe we should 15:18:49 <Ammler> or do you think, he would screw up? 15:18:57 <planetmaker> I fear though that he might start committing unreviewed stuff ;-) 15:19:35 <planetmaker> But maybe we should just allow him. It's a repo 15:19:41 <planetmaker> It's a VCS 15:20:19 <Ammler> well, I have no idea, if he would be able anyway 15:20:38 <planetmaker> I don't know either 15:20:45 <planetmaker> I'll propose that to him ;-) 15:22:04 <Ammler> if he has interest, you could tell, he should still post new things first to the tracker for review/confirmation 15:22:33 <planetmaker> yes, sure :-) 15:23:54 <Ammler> IMO, the most missing sprites are the house/industry ground tiles in toyland 15:24:37 <Ammler> which should loook fine with the roads, according to foobar 16:08:33 <Brot6> GRFCodec - Bug #1522 (New): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1522 16:08:53 <Ammler> maschger 16:10:48 <Brot6> GRFCodec - Bug #1522: DevZone compile failed (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1522#change-3997 16:11:11 <planetmaker> lol 16:12:35 <planetmaker> hm, Ammler why did I get an e-mail about that issue? 16:12:49 <Ammler> assigned to rubi it was 16:12:59 <planetmaker> or rather your update to the issue 16:13:20 <Ammler> hmm, maybe because I abused admin? 16:13:31 <Ammler> since I am not member of grfcodec 16:13:49 <planetmaker> hm 16:15:10 <Brot6> grfcodec: update from r765 to r766 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/grfcodec/nightlies/r766 16:15:39 <Ammler> could you close it :-) 16:15:50 <Ammler> before rubi sees it 16:16:00 <Rubidium> Ammler: too late! 16:16:01 <planetmaker> #1522 ? 16:16:02 <Brot6> planetmaker: #1522 is http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/show/1522 "GRFCodec - Bug #1522: DevZone compile failed - #openttdcoop Development Zone" 16:16:07 <planetmaker> :-D 16:17:19 <Ammler> since grfcodec and nml complies seperately, i need to setup a special cleaning... 16:17:31 <planetmaker> hm, I see 16:18:47 <Brot6> GRFCodec - Bug #1522 (Rejected): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1522 16:18:47 <Brot6> GRFCodec - Bug #1522 (Rejected): DevZone compile failed (Rubidium) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1522#change-3998 16:19:13 <Brot6> ai-admiralai: update from r66 to r68 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/ai-admiralai/nightlies/r68 16:19:21 <Ammler> Rubidium: do you moderate it? 16:19:27 <Ammler> or who should do that? 16:19:39 <Rubidium> you? :) 16:20:05 <Rubidium> IIRC I've got like 3 complaints about compile failure, of which "only" 3 were caused by the compile farm 16:20:30 <Brot6> firs: update from r1370 to r1381 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/nightlies/r1381 16:20:31 <Rubidium> that's a quite abysmal success rating 16:20:33 <Ammler> initail test mails :-P 16:21:28 <Brot6> fish: update from r393 to r394 done (4 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/fish/nightlies/r394 16:22:18 <Brot6> heqs: update from r375 to r376 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/heqs/nightlies/r376 16:22:28 <planetmaker> Allow some initial childhood problems :-) 16:22:37 <planetmaker> I guess your CF developed also over the years :-) 16:23:04 <Brot6> snowlinemod: update from r43 to r45 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/snowlinemod/nightlies/r45 16:24:01 <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 2cctrainset (r614), 32bpp-extra (r39), airportsplus (r63), basecosts (r20), belarusiantowns (r7), comic-houses (r71), frenchtowns (r4), grfcodec (r766), metrotrackset (r56), newgrf_makefile (r216), nforenum (r506), nml (r794), nutracks (r116), ogfx-test (r529), ogfx-trees (r26), ogfxplus (r42), opengfx (r544), openmsx (r97), opensfx (r97), portuguesetowns (r3), swedishrails (r182), 16:24:01 <Brot6> swisstowns (r19), transrapidtrackset (r15), ttdviewer (r25), worldairlinersset (r663) 16:25:20 <Brot6> Total Town Replacement Set - Bug #1523 (New): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1523 16:31:13 <Ammler> planetmaker: valid? ^ 16:33:05 <planetmaker> yes 16:33:09 <planetmaker> fixed 16:34:13 <Brot6> Total Town Replacement Set - Revision 22:0172fd38cf28: Fix (r21) #1523: Case matters (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ttrs/repository/revisions/0172fd38cf28 16:37:47 <Brot6> ttrs: update from r20 to r22 done (7 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/ttrs/nightlies/r22 16:38:10 <Brot6> worldairlinersset: compile of r663 still failed (#1521) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/worldairlinersset/nightlies/ERROR/r663 16:38:12 <Brot6> Following repos rebuilds successful without any difference to earlier nightlies builds: 2cctrainset (7 errors), 32bpp-extra, basecosts (Diffsize: 17), comic-houses (3 errors) (Diffsize: 13), metrotrackset (Diffsize: 1), newgrf_makefile, nutracks (1 errors), ogfx-test, ogfx-trees (3 errors), opengfx (Diffsize: 1), transrapidtrackset (Diffsize: 12) 16:38:46 <Ammler> planetmaker: thanks to your fast reaction and the rebuild ^ :-) 16:41:12 <Brot6> Indonesian Town Names - Revision 2:213ee79e21b3: -Added:: 'Old' shell script to generate .NFO and... (fanioz) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/indonesiantowns/repository/revisions/213ee79e21b3 16:41:12 <Brot6> Indonesian Town Names - Revision 3:d61cef0a2150: Added tag 0.1 for changeset 213ee79e21b3 (fanioz) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/indonesiantowns/repository/revisions/d61cef0a2150 16:50:29 <Brot6> Indonesian Town Names - Support #1524 (New): DevZone has automatic push, nightly or release (tag)... (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1524 16:53:08 <planetmaker> he :-) 16:55:42 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:57:35 <planetmaker> Ammler, but shouldn't one build try be sufficient? 16:58:11 <Ammler> were do you see 2? 16:58:38 <planetmaker> well. It must have built it in order to create the error report, right? 16:58:49 <planetmaker> Why did it build it then again? 16:59:19 <Brot6> World Airliners Set - Revision 664:9bce704f2b31: Change: grfcodec provides nforenum (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlinersset/repository/revisions/9bce704f2b31 17:01:49 <planetmaker> Ammler, I guess my honest question is: under which conditions is a re-built of a newgrf done? 17:02:09 <Ammler> if the build requires version changes 17:02:47 <Ammler> and because ttrs failed it didn't succeed with the new grfcodec 17:03:05 <planetmaker> hu? 17:03:14 <Ammler> usually the rebuild then would be skipped, because of the error bundle 17:03:24 <Ammler> but you did already fix it between 17:04:44 <Ammler> but as said, I will change it a bit and split scheduler and compiler 17:05:02 <Ammler> then the packages will be scheduled on every push 17:05:22 <Ammler> and the prio does decide, when to build 17:57:53 <Ammler> if I ping from haydn, it is fine 05 17:57:56 <Ammler> 0% 17:58:12 <Ammler> but if I ping to haydn, 5% packet lost 18:00:17 <andythenorth> hi hi 18:02:22 <Terkhen> hi andythenorth 18:02:44 <planetmaker> hi andythenorth 18:03:09 <Brot6> 32bpp-ez-patches: update from r20829 to r20830 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/32bpp-ez-patches/testing/r20830 18:10:46 <planetmaker> andythenorth, what I wondered recently: what will I miss, if I play firs 0.4 on OpenTTD 1.0.x? 18:13:24 <Brot6> clientpatches: update from r20829 to r20830 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/clientpatches/testing/r20830 18:20:58 <andythenorth> planetmaker: not sure 18:21:03 <andythenorth> industry clustering for definite 18:21:09 <andythenorth> unless it got back-ported 18:22:14 <andythenorth> hmm 18:22:21 <andythenorth> back port is for 0.7 branch only? 18:22:29 <andythenorth> planetmaker: short answer: I don't know :) 18:24:29 <Brot6> serverpatches: update from hcc6b4d5d to hc85edf5b done (2 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/serverpatches/testing/hc85edf5b 18:30:16 <planetmaker> background: stable versions currently cannot download 0.4 18:30:25 <planetmaker> thus our stable server runs 0.3. Which might be a bit unfortunate 18:30:28 <andythenorth> cannot download? 18:54:53 <planetmaker> andythenorth: version restriction, I think 18:55:25 <andythenorth> hmm 18:55:30 <andythenorth> I didn't code that, not sure 18:55:36 <planetmaker> the one set on bananas 18:55:40 <planetmaker> it's not a newgrf thing 18:55:46 <andythenorth> does the commit log indicate any version restrictions? 18:56:18 <planetmaker> download capability on bananas has nothing to do with the commit log here 18:56:24 <planetmaker> But I *think* there are some 18:56:29 <Ammler> would 0.4 work with stable? 18:56:31 <planetmaker> I thought you knew better than me ;-) 18:58:11 <Ammler> min version is nightly r20086 18:59:20 <andythenorth> sometimes when we commit something which needs a specific rev, we say why 19:02:16 <frosch123> didn't 0.3 already not work with stable? :p 19:02:32 <planetmaker> it seems to cluster.... 19:05:55 <andythenorth> reading the trunk commit logs might produce the answer 19:06:01 <andythenorth> I'm not too sure I want to though :P 19:06:11 <andythenorth> is it going to be solvable even if we find the answer? 19:06:56 <planetmaker> yes. you could edit the bananas entry ;-) 19:07:10 <planetmaker> but I don't know whether it produces unexpected results with stable 19:08:11 <Ammler> maybe we should stop our stable server 19:08:38 <planetmaker> why? 19:08:40 <planetmaker> too laggy? 19:09:03 <Ammler> nah 19:09:19 <Ammler> and start a competive nightly server 19:09:54 <andythenorth> planetmaker: crowd-source it....edit the bananas entry and wait for bug reports :P 19:10:15 <Ammler> andythenorth: shall I? 19:10:26 <planetmaker> Ammler: ah. That might actually be a good idea 19:10:31 <planetmaker> +1 :-) 19:10:55 <Ammler> oh 19:10:59 <planetmaker> auto-nightly. reset all 24h ? 19:11:00 <Ammler> you meant the nightly server? 19:11:09 <planetmaker> hm? 19:11:20 <Ammler> I thought, changing the min version for firs to 1.0.4 19:11:38 <Ammler> which I have done right now 19:12:42 <planetmaker> both +1 ;-) 19:12:52 <Rubidium> Ammler: if you want competitive, you should use^Wtest the binaries in http://devs.openttd.org/~rubidium/fs3637/ 19:13:31 <planetmaker> hm, also a good idea :-) 19:13:46 <planetmaker> possibly better. ^ V453000 ? 19:13:48 <Ammler> is that the industry patch? 19:13:51 <planetmaker> yep 19:14:22 <V453000> trying to read up what is going on :) 19:14:34 <Rubidium> no, it's the "Second highest competing station rating doubly penalized when distributing cargo" bug-fix 19:15:56 <V453000> oh 19:15:58 <V453000> interesting 19:16:26 <V453000> it basically means that a second company has much smaller chance of succes at an industry? 19:17:28 <planetmaker> No. But that it gets fairer, so that the drop 1st -> 2nd is not that steep 19:19:38 <Ammler> well, such a server we have already called .dev 19:20:55 <planetmaker> But we can only run either or... 19:21:12 <V453000> the point is, I still dont think it is about the fact if you are successful in stealing or not, but it is about the thing what behavior it makes between people 19:21:41 <V453000> for example now they even want totally islandish map to separate players 19:21:47 <V453000> so everyone has a sandbox 19:21:57 <planetmaker> then they shall play SP 19:22:31 <V453000> well not really :) I wouldnt play SP but I would play islandish game with them :) 19:22:42 <V453000> (well maybe I wouldnt but more likely ;) ) 19:22:43 <planetmaker> besides: the question here is: do we replace our stable server by this or a nightly? 19:23:03 <V453000> the current stable server is quite favored, would be a shame 19:23:38 <planetmaker> people would also play on the other server 19:23:46 <planetmaker> whatever version we run 19:24:03 <V453000> well stable is stable :p 19:24:31 <V453000> for such a server where everyone is quite welcome I think it is quite good 19:25:03 <V453000> besides, I would like to direct there people like Niavmaii ;) (but that is no problem even with any other, but they could find that one themselves first over stable query :p 19:26:11 <planetmaker> Well. Anyone is able to download any version, given binaries are there 19:26:26 <planetmaker> and you've seen them update quickly to 1.0.4 19:26:31 *** thgergo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:26:49 <planetmaker> and history tells that even a nightly server would be well frequented 19:27:01 <planetmaker> by mostly the same guys ;-) 19:28:12 <planetmaker> Rubidium: what's the svn or hg URL to the industry branch? 19:28:29 <Rubidium> it has nothing to do with industries 19:28:51 <planetmaker> ok... station cargo distribution 19:29:31 <Rubidium> http://hg.openttd.org/developers/rubidium/cf-tests.hg/ but I'm not sure how long that stays there 19:30:15 <planetmaker> plans to remove it? 19:30:34 <Rubidium> no, plans to reuse it for other compile farm tests/runs 19:31:08 <planetmaker> oh 19:31:32 <planetmaker> ok, doesn't matter, just for getting the source for the server 19:31:55 <Rubidium> the diff's in FS though 19:34:06 <planetmaker> yup. But we need the binaries for the players 19:34:25 <planetmaker> or it won't have any chance to attract at least some 19:35:13 <Rubidium> that's why I linked you to the binaries 19:37:55 <Ammler> [21:22] <V453000> well not really I wouldnt play SP but I would play islandish game with them <-- h2h? 19:44:32 <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Bug #1525 (New): Update swedish translation (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1525 19:47:22 <V453000> hehe h2h is great but we dont need to compete :p 19:47:58 <Ammler> well, the type you like to play is that 19:48:08 <V453000> people caring about competition mostly play on goal servers :P and ... well ... how should I call them to be politically correct :p 19:48:14 <V453000> Ammler: it quite is 19:48:30 <V453000> but I dont need separate sandboxes :p just friendly people not devastating each other 19:52:00 <Ammler> V453000: you style reminds me to the fairplay servers from dih 19:52:10 <Ammler> which I personally didn't like 19:52:21 <V453000> see the stable 19:52:28 <Ammler> yes, I know :-) 19:52:34 * planetmaker hugs Ammler 19:52:50 <V453000> you have the best stable server without a doubt :) 19:53:05 <Ammler> that's yours :-P 19:53:18 <planetmaker> ^ 19:53:20 <V453000> no that is ours, I only made people there to behave well :p 19:53:39 <Ammler> hehe, well, all fine :-P 19:54:01 <Ammler> maybe I should really make a server a call it DEATHMATCH 19:54:09 <V453000> :D 19:54:14 <V453000> TOTAL DEATH! 19:54:56 <planetmaker> ha :-) 19:55:09 <planetmaker> #openttdcoop Death Match Server! :-) 19:55:32 <V453000> I think that will need its own wiki :D 19:55:43 <V453000> how to: destroy everything, flatten everything, ... 19:55:48 <frosch123> hmm, what would be the rules? you only have 15 minutes to play, and then you are kicked? 19:56:29 <frosch123> or: no income, no runningcost, only start loan and construction cost? 19:56:37 <planetmaker> frosch123: last company standing ;-) 19:57:03 <planetmaker> buy them all 19:57:12 <frosch123> planetmaker: i associate to death match: no income, but huge start resources. whoever runs out of money... 19:57:45 <V453000> :D 19:57:55 <V453000> or rather RUINS out the money or the map :D 20:00:39 <planetmaker> :-D. Now... That'd be interesting... 20:01:11 <V453000> magic bulldozer on I suppose :p 20:01:55 <V453000> it could be quite a good bancatcher 20:02:12 <V453000> people visiting such server could be added to banlist on PS and stable :D 20:02:41 <Terkhen> drop the costs for buying exclusive rights and raise/lower land to zero 20:02:54 <planetmaker> Hm... terraforming etc all cost nothing, vehicles cost also nothing to buy.... 20:03:35 <planetmaker> Hm... there are no negative income from cargo delivery. A pity 20:03:55 <planetmaker> Cargo "nuclear waste". Delivery cost €3.000.000 20:04:07 <V453000> :D 20:04:22 <V453000> so you would basically be discouraged to transport anything 20:04:25 <V453000> just DEMOLISH :D 20:04:29 <planetmaker> hm... cargo-dependent running costs. THAT actually might work 20:04:34 <planetmaker> ha :-) 20:04:40 <planetmaker> That really works 20:04:54 <planetmaker> and then one could indeed play "who's bancrupt first". 20:05:12 <planetmaker> just one scarce cargo with high running costs when transported 20:05:20 <planetmaker> everything else virtually free 20:06:29 <planetmaker> hm... is the age of the cargo a newgrf variable? 20:07:16 <andythenorth> there are quite a few things available to the custom profit calculation 20:07:18 <andythenorth> look there... 20:18:33 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 20:21:45 <Ammler> if I add default to the action14 settings, the parameters will be set from start, right? 20:22:20 <planetmaker> when the parameter button is clicked. yes 20:22:27 <planetmaker> hm... I think always 20:22:29 <Ammler> hmm 20:22:50 <V453000> I broke it? :D 20:23:14 <Ammler> then I can't use it for my basecosts 20:23:21 <V453000> :( 20:23:29 <planetmaker> Ammler: why? 20:23:38 <Ammler> well, it doesn't matter 20:24:11 <V453000> Ammler: everyone uses presets anyway and I will solve it somehow :p 20:24:41 <Ammler> well, if you have good presets, we can add it to the presets grf 20:24:57 <V453000> as I said, I modify presets with every map I make 20:25:33 <V453000> TF friendliness, water level, train set, ... 20:26:01 <Ammler> and you sometimes like to remove a pair? 20:26:09 <V453000> remove or add :) 20:26:15 <V453000> any 20:26:17 <Ammler> well, add is no problem 20:26:22 <V453000> I see 20:26:36 <Ammler> and remove, you could just set it equal to an other 20:26:39 <V453000> as I told you :) I can always re-write it manually via stable 20:27:17 <V453000> it isnt a real problem, I just found it odd so I informed you :p 20:27:20 <Ammler> If I would use defaults, I would 22 times set misc costs to 8 20:27:51 <V453000> ah, yes 20:28:13 <Ammler> hmm, I do that 20:28:19 <planetmaker> :-D 20:28:23 <V453000> xD 20:32:58 <andythenorth> good night 20:33:58 <V453000> gn 20:34:01 <planetmaker> good night andythenorth 20:41:36 <Ammler> default isn't anymore DEFA? 20:41:42 <Ammler> and it isn't DEFL? 20:41:50 <Ammler> what is it? 20:41:53 <Ammler> DFLT? 20:42:09 <planetmaker> IIRC yes 20:49:04 <Brot6> Base Costs Mod - Revision 21:0036fe803a8a: Change: add default value to factor, min. is 1 now (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/basecosts/repository/revisions/0036fe803a8a 20:49:04 <Brot6> Base Costs Mod - Revision 22:dab7e7d552ae: Added tag 3.2 for changeset 0036fe803a8a (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/basecosts/repository/revisions/dab7e7d552ae 20:49:04 <Brot6> Base Costs Mod - Bug #1526 (New): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1526 20:49:40 <V453000> neew basecosts? :) 20:50:39 <Ammler> can't upload to banans? 20:50:52 <Ammler> planetmaker: what was your issue? 20:51:05 <Ammler> oh 20:51:47 <planetmaker> ? 20:53:40 <Ammler> didn't you have troubles to upload to banans? 20:54:33 <Brot6> basecosts: update from 3.1 to 3.2 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/basecosts/releases/3.2 20:56:44 <Brot6> Base Costs Mod - Bug #1526 (Closed): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1526 20:56:44 <Brot6> Base Costs Mod - Bug #1526 (Closed): DevZone compile failed (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1526#change-3999 21:07:59 <Ammler> Jetzt wollte ich bei hetzner wegen dem Ping reklamieren, aber nun hats kein lost :-( 21:08:12 <Ammler> oh 21:08:31 <Ammler> ignore last line (except pm) 21:09:43 <planetmaker> [22:53] <Ammler> didn't you have troubles to upload to banans? <-- yes. But it was an issue with bananas, not on my side, and is solved 21:10:07 <planetmaker> I tested the ping today earlier (when you talked about it) and it was fine, too 21:10:24 <planetmaker> but... need sleep :-) 21:10:27 <planetmaker> good night 21:11:15 <Ammler> hmm, can you try to uplaod the 3.2? 21:11:43 <Ammler> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/basecosts/releases/3.2/basecosts.grf <-- the plain grf 21:11:59 <Ammler> oh, I could try from my xen windows :-) 21:14:39 <planetmaker> what's the issue you experience? 21:16:16 <Ammler> like I have disabled js 21:17:54 <planetmaker> he... 21:17:59 <planetmaker> that might be a fault 21:18:45 <Ammler> worked from haydn 21:20:31 <planetmaker> oh. you uploaded already 21:27:35 <Ammler> yes, you liked to try too? 21:28:00 <planetmaker> I just was there when I saw it uploaded 21:28:03 <Ammler> I thought, you were gone :-) 21:28:05 <planetmaker> anyway... 21:28:09 <planetmaker> now I'm gone ;-) 21:28:15 <Ammler> good night 21:28:21 <planetmaker> to you, too :-) 22:47:31 *** ODM has quit IRC 23:40:46 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC