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00:48:43 *** avdg1 has quit IRC 00:49:36 *** avdg has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 00:51:12 *** avdg has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 00:57:30 *** avdg has quit IRC 00:57:48 *** avdg has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 01:17:49 *** thgergo has quit IRC 01:20:06 *** fanioz has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 01:20:06 *** avdg has quit IRC 01:20:54 *** avdg has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 02:20:44 *** avdg has quit IRC 02:21:01 *** avdg has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 03:18:25 *** avdg has quit IRC 03:19:08 *** avdg has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 04:56:40 *** avdg has quit IRC 04:57:14 *** avdg has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 05:48:24 *** Levi has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 06:06:25 *** Levi has quit IRC 06:54:50 *** fanioz has quit IRC 07:03:44 *** fanioz has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:37:04 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles - Revision 4:c15c2f8e2d3c: Add: .hgignore was missing (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-rv/repository/revisions/c15c2f8e2d3c 07:40:06 <Terkhen> the first bulk truck is finished but I can't think of a good name... I'm thinking about keeping its current name (bulk truck MkI) and getting a better one later 07:51:07 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles - Revision 5:fee266e48156: Add: Cargo translation table. (Terkhen) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-rv/repository/revisions/fee266e48156 07:51:52 <planetmaker> That's fine IMHO 07:52:09 <planetmaker> I'd not change things which are not required. Like names :-) 07:53:06 <planetmaker> I'm surprised that OpenGFX+trains is so much more downloaded than FIRS 07:54:49 <planetmaker> with the trains I just re-defined the first wagons which were of the suitable type 07:55:27 <planetmaker> that saves you the hassle to define everything and makes it more like the original :-) 07:58:01 <planetmaker> Terkhen: in order to explain the CTT as I used (and which you copied): 07:58:03 <Terkhen> I defined the new bulk truck after all standard road vehicles, so that the user does not lose any of them if he does not want to 07:58:22 <Terkhen> but I still wonder who would want to keep both road vehicles at the same time 07:58:44 <planetmaker> the first paragraph are those cargos which need explicit mentioning in the refit properties 07:59:01 <planetmaker> The others are those which are only mentioned in the varaction2 08:00:09 <planetmaker> The order of these two paragraphs is important as there can only 32 different cargos mentioned in specific refit properties 08:00:09 <planetmaker> you could so far probably move everything to the 2nd paragraph 08:00:43 <planetmaker> that is only the first 32 cargos can be used in explicit refit properties 08:01:10 <planetmaker> Concerning vehicleIDs: I wondered the same. But then decided the opposite :-) 08:01:26 <planetmaker> And after all I don't *remove* any, I just extend an existing vehicle 08:01:39 <planetmaker> Adding some more property to the vehicle. 08:01:54 <planetmaker> But well. Maybe with TTD base set you might be right. 08:01:56 <planetmaker> Hm 08:03:18 <Terkhen> also, I think I'll make the new trucks appear in the list just after the buses 08:03:42 <planetmaker> sounds reasonable 08:04:18 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:06:35 <Terkhen> hmmm... there is no sort vehicle list property in NML 08:13:02 <planetmaker> nope. 08:13:09 <planetmaker> I'd call it 'not yet' ;-) 08:13:23 <planetmaker> And is only important when you add more vehicles 08:15:38 <Terkhen> I can't place new trucks before the old ones without it... it's not very important anyways; I think that most people will play with the old ones disabled 08:17:37 <Terkhen> hmm... where can I find a detailed credit list for opengfx? I know that Zephyris did the toyland (egrvts) road vehicles, but I don't know for sure about the rest 08:18:28 <Terkhen> ah, found it 08:18:31 <planetmaker> the csv file is as detailed as it gets 08:19:18 <planetmaker> did you know that you're officially programmer of OpenGFX+trains, too? ;-) 08:20:05 <planetmaker> I fear the credits file is not always as detailed as one wishes for. 08:22:08 <Terkhen> I did not... to be honest I was only planning to the point of coding the new trucks, disabling the rest and playing a game :P 08:22:22 <Terkhen> all of them seem to be made by Zephyris 08:23:26 <planetmaker> Likely 08:23:35 <planetmaker> Zephyris drew like 80% of OpenGFX 08:24:04 <Terkhen> :) 08:32:39 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles - Revision 6:bce89c8853ef: Add: First generation bulk truck with initial g... (Terkhen) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-rv/repository/revisions/bce89c8853ef 08:34:32 <planetmaker> Terkhen: if you don't re-use existing vehicles, you can leave out the vehicleID :-) 08:34:44 <Terkhen> noted :) 08:34:59 <planetmaker> --> no trouble with double IDs :-) 08:38:22 <Yexo> it will overwwrite the default vehicles though 08:38:33 <Yexo> nml starts with id 0 when assigning ids automatically 08:39:22 <planetmaker> oh 08:39:35 <planetmaker> Then an ID is indeed needed 08:39:43 <Yexo> or a change to nml 08:39:53 <planetmaker> Hm... actually I'd like that ^ 08:40:11 <planetmaker> Because it means that the behaviour is different for the 1st and the 15th ship 08:40:30 <Yexo> when you don't assign an id manually you should set all properties anyway 08:40:31 <planetmaker> and differs for each vehicle 08:40:37 <planetmaker> yes 08:40:38 <Yexo> and when you do set all properties the behavior is the same 08:40:49 <planetmaker> but when one does not... :-) 08:41:08 <Yexo> you have undefined behavior for ids > number of default vehicles 08:41:41 <Yexo> but I guess it's best to do that, because people will notice that earlier than when it happens to their 100th vehicle 08:42:23 <planetmaker> yeah. Like when they define manually vehicle 199 ;-) 08:42:37 <planetmaker> Maybe NML should complain about missing properties then 08:42:42 <planetmaker> in >0.1 ;-) 08:44:55 <planetmaker> shall I create an issue? 08:45:04 *** orudge has quit IRC 08:45:09 <Yexo> for the missing properties check: yes 08:45:12 <Yexo> for the ids: no 08:47:25 <planetmaker> no for IDs? You mean... you want to keep the current behaviour of overwriting? 08:47:41 <Yexo> no, I've already commited that so no need to create an issue for it 08:47:57 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 836:e2b881637920: Change: start the assigned IDs just above the d... (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/e2b881637920 08:48:33 <planetmaker> :-D 08:48:44 <planetmaker> you're fast :-) 08:49:02 <planetmaker> #1628 08:49:03 <Brot6> planetmaker: #1628 is http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/show/1628 "NewGRF Meta Language - Feature Request #1628: Warn on missing properties - #openttdcoop Development Zone" 08:49:08 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature Request #1628 (New): Warn on missing properties (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1628 08:50:19 <planetmaker> Terkhen: mind if I start to add the trams? 08:53:12 <Terkhen> not at all 08:55:45 <planetmaker> :-) 08:56:15 <planetmaker> You could ask in the forums for nice truck names :-) 09:01:03 <Terkhen> okay, but I think it's better to do so when there is an initial version of all new refittable trucks 09:03:54 <planetmaker> yep 09:12:14 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles - Revision 7:bdf7d7ee0121: Feature: Hereford 'Interurban' tram (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-rv/repository/revisions/bdf7d7ee0121 09:18:21 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles - Revision 8:27e0690c027d: Feature: Foster 'Express' tram (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-rv/repository/revisions/27e0690c027d 09:25:45 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Bug #1629 (New): Review conversion for speed property (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1629 09:26:56 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles - Revision 9:3640f8568784: Feature: Foster 'Supertram' (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-rv/repository/revisions/3640f8568784 09:28:22 <Rubidium> yeah, 3 km/h seems like a big difference when it has a precision of around 1 km/h 09:29:12 <Rubidium> although one would expect that the difference is 4 km/h at 80 km/h, but then... there are always some rounding issues 09:29:43 <Rubidium> so it could be e.g. "2.51" vs "3.49" 09:31:05 <planetmaker> I agree that there will remain rounding issues. But 3km/h seemed too much :-) 09:31:13 <planetmaker> I won't complain for 69 instead of 70 :-) 09:31:40 <planetmaker> I recall that from the last round of discussions concerning this topic ;-) 09:32:42 <Rubidium> actually, for RVs it should be possible to always get N km/h (I think) as they have 0.5 km-ish/h granularity 09:34:33 <Rubidium> though looking at the code I can't spot an obvious error, *except* when numbers are converted to m/s then rounded and then converted to the NFO value and rounded again 09:36:23 <planetmaker> yes, possibly. But then that chain needs improvement 09:36:36 <planetmaker> we're talking about 5% error here 09:38:02 <Rubidium> 60 km/h = 16.|6| m/s -> 16 m/s = 57.6 km/h 09:38:31 <Rubidium> though... 09:39:13 <Rubidium> 80 km/h = 22.|2| m/s -> 22 m/s = 79.2 km/h (so rounding doesn't seem to be the only thing that happens) 09:42:10 <Yexo> nml only rounds just before writing the value to the nfo file IIRC 09:42:12 <planetmaker> The conversion factors between units might not be accurate (enough) 09:42:13 <Yexo> will check that now 10:03:54 <Yexo> 60 km/h in nml -> 119 in nfo (=3.2*mph) 10:04:06 <Yexo> that is 119/3.2 = 37.1875 mph 10:04:12 <Yexo> but openttd displays that as 36mph 10:04:32 <Yexo> so the rounding error is in openttd, not nml 10:05:01 <Rubidium> does TTDPatch show 36 or 37 mph? 10:07:15 <Yexo> 37mph 10:07:56 <Yexo> and 59 km/h, not 57km/h 10:09:17 <Rubidium> yay :( 10:15:02 <Brot6> Unable to connect to http://dev.openttdcoop.org/sys/: execution expired 10:18:21 <planetmaker> :-O 10:21:02 <Brot6> Unable to connect to http://dev.openttdcoop.org/sys/: Failed with 502 Bad Gateway 10:22:30 *** V453000 has quit IRC 10:22:30 *** Brot6 has quit IRC 10:22:30 *** Hirundo has quit IRC 10:22:30 *** Terkhen has quit IRC 10:22:37 *** Ammler has quit IRC 10:27:10 *** _Terkhen_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:29:27 *** fanioz has quit IRC 10:30:19 *** Brot6 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:30:45 <planetmaker> sorry, for the IRC, _Terkhen_ 10:31:34 <_Terkhen_> don't worry 10:31:55 <planetmaker> well, I do. Server going unresponsive in larger parts is not good 10:33:13 <_Terkhen_> oh, I meant about the bouncer 10:33:40 <_Terkhen_> I can access to dev.openttdcoop.org without problems 10:34:25 <planetmaker> now :-) 10:34:58 *** _Terkhen_ has quit IRC 10:35:53 *** _Terkhen_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:36:27 <planetmaker> I'm still searching for where to restart znc ;-) 10:40:06 *** _Terkhen_ has quit IRC 10:49:35 *** Hirundo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:50:05 *** Terkhen has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:50:10 <planetmaker> ah 10:50:35 *** V453000 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:52:38 *** Ammler has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:59:43 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Revision 57:d657533c5cd2: Fix (r56): Don't remove (yet) the vehicleIDs (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains/repository/revisions/d657533c5cd2 11:10:56 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:14:12 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Revision 58:17d526ef186f: Change #1623: Use available default sprites for monor... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains/repository/revisions/17d526ef186f 11:31:25 *** planetmaker has left #openttdcoop.devzone 11:31:34 *** planetmaker has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:31:44 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Revision 59:bcdd246b06f0: Change #1621: Use available default sprites for monor... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains/repository/revisions/bcdd246b06f0 11:49:44 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Revision 60:6a5f6ee01354: Change #1622: Use available default sprites for monor... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains/repository/revisions/6a5f6ee01354 13:05:15 *** fanioz has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:45:03 *** orudge` has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:45:06 *** orudge` is now known as orudge 14:06:10 <planetmaker> http://pastebin.org/139376 <-- any idea why this tender doesn't show in the purchase list? 14:17:22 <planetmaker> hm. nvm 14:21:18 *** fanioz has quit IRC 14:31:01 *** Yexo_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:31:07 *** Yexo has quit IRC 14:31:20 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 14:35:07 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature #1630 (New): Allow using of proper units in callbacks / varaction2 (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1630 14:50:20 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature #1630: Allow using of proper units in callbacks / varaction2 (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1630#change-4204 15:29:55 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature #1630: Allow using of proper units in callbacks / varaction2 (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1630#change-4205 15:43:25 <Yexo> planetmaker: aren't wagons automatically disabled when they aren't able to refit to any cargo? 15:43:32 <Yexo> why do you have a special parameter for that? 15:50:00 <planetmaker> in opengfx+trains? 15:50:12 <planetmaker> The parameter I have is for those useless wagons 15:50:32 <planetmaker> I don't need a paper wagon when I have a piecegood wagon which refits to paper 15:51:13 <planetmaker> I don't disable any wagon based on availability of cargos 15:54:18 <planetmaker> It should be called 'disable default wagons' 15:59:03 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Revision 61:d790fc8fceaa: Change: Clearify parameter (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains/repository/revisions/d790fc8fceaa 16:01:55 *** Levi has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:10:29 <Brot6> nml: update from r831 to r836 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/nml/nightlies/r836 16:18:44 <Levi> I'm getting Error 502: bad gateway when trying to push changes into my project via TortoiseHG, are there any problems on the server? 16:19:33 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #1631 (New): Railbus CFe3/3 (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1631 16:19:49 <Brot6> ogfx-trains: update from r53 to r61 done (1 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/ogfx-trains/nightlies/r61 16:20:08 <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 2cctrainset (r615), 32bpp-extra (r39), ai-admiralai (r68), airportsplus (r63), basecosts (r22), belarusiantowns (r7), comic-houses (r71), firs (r1473), fish (r394), frenchtowns (r4), grfcodec (r772), heqs (r380), indonesiantowns (r33), metrotrackset (r56), newgrf_makefile (r219), nforenum (r506), nml (r836), nutracks (r117), ogfx-trees (r41), opengfx (r550), openmsx (r97), opensfx (r97), 16:20:08 <Brot6> smts (r19), snowlinemod (r45), swedishrails (r182), swisstowns (r20), transrapidtrackset (r15), ttdviewer (r26), ttrs (r23), worldairlinersset (r664) 16:23:26 <Brot6> Following repos rebuilds successful without any difference to earlier nightlies builds: airportsplus (Diffsize: 6), belarusiantowns (3 errors) (Diffsize: 21), frenchtowns (4 errors) (Diffsize: 9), indonesiantowns (4 errors) (Diffsize: 12), swedishrails (Diffsize: 6), swisstowns (Diffsize: 4649) 16:23:59 <Levi> planetmaker? 16:24:03 <planetmaker> hm 16:24:24 <planetmaker> it worked for me one minute before you joined here 16:24:34 <Levi> so it's all my fault? :) 16:24:39 <planetmaker> no 16:24:54 <planetmaker> did you try again? 16:25:00 <Levi> multiple times 16:25:18 <planetmaker> hm 16:25:33 <planetmaker> I use ssh to push, not redmine credentials 16:25:54 <Levi> it worked yesterday 16:26:00 <planetmaker> no doubt 16:26:10 <planetmaker> it *should* also work now 16:26:19 <planetmaker> when did you try? Just now? 16:26:23 <planetmaker> Or earlier today? 16:26:27 <Levi> just now 16:27:43 <planetmaker> can you try again? 16:27:52 <Levi> 502 16:28:05 <planetmaker> hm, damn. then nginx is acting up 16:28:21 <planetmaker> I'll need Ammler for that ^ 16:28:30 <Levi> restart server daemons? 16:28:49 <planetmaker> just did that 16:28:54 <Levi> hm 16:29:25 <planetmaker> though not nginx. Which probably is the cause 16:33:37 <Levi> so we need to wait for Ammler? 16:34:11 <planetmaker> Most probably :S 17:22:38 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:33:14 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 837:f96d20675699: Doc: Callbacks for vehicles (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/f96d20675699 17:46:54 *** fanioz has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:54:49 *** thgergo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:09:50 <Brot6> 32bpp-ez-patches: update from r20914 to r20915 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/32bpp-ez-patches/testing/r20915 18:19:07 <Brot6> clientpatches: update from r20914 to r20915 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/clientpatches/testing/r20915 18:27:47 <Brot6> serverpatches: update from h962cc856 to h5ed234b4 done (2 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/serverpatches/testing/h5ed234b4 18:47:48 *** andythenorth_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:50:27 <andythenorth_> hi hi 18:50:34 <andythenorth_> planetmaker: the min. version thing makes sense 18:50:44 <andythenorth_> that could be the reason for very low number of downloads for 0.4 18:50:54 <planetmaker> of course 18:51:03 <andythenorth_> far as I know it will be fine 18:51:14 <andythenorth_> I could compile stable and test, but I can't be bothered :P 18:51:29 <planetmaker> :-) 18:51:49 <andythenorth_> maybe we should mention it in the FIRS release thread? 18:52:18 <planetmaker> dunno. Wouldn't be a bad thing, though :-) 18:55:52 <andythenorth_> done 19:13:53 *** V453000 is now known as Guest2424 19:40:17 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1236: 1 tile buffer should be ignored when player / scen... 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