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00:06:42 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 00:25:58 *** avdg has quit IRC 04:31:30 <Brot6> Bundles Update: ge4cd8dc3 2010-10-16 cargodist (http://finger.openttdcoop.org) 06:09:24 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 850:79d8d0c5d518: Fix: size property for objects was broken (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/79d8d0c5d518 06:09:24 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 851:863fbdbe001a: Add: allow action2layout for objects (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/863fbdbe001a 06:09:24 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 852:db111ab0dbaa: Change: rename build_window_caption to name (th... (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/db111ab0dbaa 06:40:44 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 06:50:42 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 06:51:22 *** andythenorth_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:20:42 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:49:59 *** andythenorth_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:57:03 <Brot6> Unable to connect to http://dev.openttdcoop.org/sys/: execution expired 07:57:11 <planetmaker> wtrf? 08:38:40 *** ODM has quit IRC 08:49:17 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 09:20:44 *** andythenorth_ has quit IRC 09:21:21 *** andythenorth_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 09:43:25 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Code Review #1588: Fixed Polish translation (BarthVader) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1588#change-4243 09:47:41 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1653 (New): Industry built in town whic accepts friut an... (BarthVader) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1653 10:07:33 *** thgergo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:29:15 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:29:33 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles - Revision 10:51142f3fcaa1: Doc: Properties of the bulk truck. (Terkhen) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-rv/repository/revisions/51142f3fcaa1 10:38:14 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles - Revision 11:931eff519084: Fix: Remove unnecessary vehicle ID from the bu... (Terkhen) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-rv/repository/revisions/931eff519084 11:03:09 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles - Revision 12:e6a44df20517: Codechange: Move toyland bulk graphics to thei... (Terkhen) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-rv/repository/revisions/e6a44df20517 11:05:38 *** ODM has quit IRC 11:20:32 <Terkhen> with NML, using 48 km/h for road vehicles gives a speed of 46 km/h ingame 11:20:38 <Terkhen> is this to be expected? 11:21:22 <planetmaker> Terkhen: I *think* it might need review... but ask Yexo. He looked at it recently 11:21:53 <Terkhen> yes, before updating NML the ingame speed was 45 km/h 11:22:11 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #1654 (New): Oslo Metro MX3000 (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1654 11:30:34 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles - Revision 13:4c4253e0b184: Feature: Second generation bulk truck with ini... (Terkhen) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-rv/repository/revisions/4c4253e0b184 11:32:43 *** Levi has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:36:10 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:50:51 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles - Revision 14:fbb2dd2645ab: Feature: Third generation bulk truck with init... (Terkhen) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-rv/repository/revisions/fbb2dd2645ab 12:02:25 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:16:36 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature #1655 (New): support param 9E (misc grf bits) (Hirundo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1655 12:19:44 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 853:4baf2caecc9e: Doc: Add the version field to the documentation... (Hirundo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/4baf2caecc9e 12:26:53 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #1654: Oslo Metro MX3000 (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1654#change-4245 12:29:11 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 854:271419bcec5d: Doc: Document the 'introduction_date' property ... (Hirundo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/271419bcec5d 12:31:57 <Hirundo> Yexo: is there currently any support for writing >0x80 parameters? 12:57:35 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 855:57b4271351f1: Doc: Document the various features. (Hirundo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/57b4271351f1 13:29:36 <Hirundo> congrats, planetmaker :) 13:50:55 *** avdg has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:54:35 *** thgergo has quit IRC 14:08:09 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 856:009025b0123d: Doc: Improve documentation of the switch-block. (Hirundo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/009025b0123d 14:08:49 <andythenorth_> planetmaker: more translations - in the FIRS dev thread ;) 14:23:48 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature #1655: support param 9E (misc grf bits) (Hirundo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1655#change-4246 14:24:22 <planetmaker> thanks, Hirundo :-) 14:24:28 <planetmaker> and hello :-) 14:33:50 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature #1655: support param 9E (misc grf bits) (Hirundo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1655#change-4247 15:52:16 *** avdg has quit IRC 15:53:36 *** avdg has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:10:57 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Bug #1656 (New): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1656 16:20:00 <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 2cctrainset (r630), 32bpp-extra (r39), ai-admiralai (r68), airportsplus (r63), basecosts (r22), belarusiantowns (r7), comic-houses (r71), firs (r1481), fish (r394), frenchtowns (r4), grfcodec (r772), heqs (r380), indonesiantowns (r37), metrotrackset (r56), newgrf_makefile (r219), nml (ERROR r856), nutracks (r117), ogfx-trees (r41), opengfx (r550), openmsx (r97), opensfx (r97), smts (r19), 16:20:00 <Brot6> snowlinemod (r45), swedishrails (r182), swisstowns (r20), transrapidtrackset (r15), ttdviewer (r26), ttrs (r23), worldairlinersset (r664) 16:20:22 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Bug #1656 (Closed): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1656 16:20:22 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Bug #1656 (Closed): DevZone compile failed (Hirundo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1656#change-4248 16:20:22 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 857:69f7da65a66a: Fix #1656: Messing with RV property 15 caused t... (Hirundo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/69f7da65a66a 16:21:38 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Bug #1657 (New): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1657 16:23:17 *** avdg1 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:24:40 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Bug #1657 (Closed): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1657 16:24:40 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Revision 74:3d26f8232ab1: Fix #1657: Use only declared cargo labels (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains/repository/revisions/3d26f8232ab1 16:24:40 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Bug #1657 (Closed): DevZone compile failed (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1657#change-4249 16:25:23 *** avdg1 has quit IRC 16:26:36 *** avdg1 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:28:16 *** avdg has quit IRC 16:31:49 *** avdg has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:32:08 *** avdg1 has quit IRC 17:28:48 *** andythenorth_ has quit IRC 17:28:56 *** andythenorth_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:40:19 *** Hirundo is now known as Someone 17:40:26 *** Someone is now known as Hirundo 17:53:29 *** andythenorth_ has quit IRC 17:59:45 *** andythenorth_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:59:45 *** ODM has quit IRC 18:02:44 *** Levi has quit IRC 18:07:46 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:09:40 <Brot6> 32bpp-ez-patches: update from r20926 to r20949 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/32bpp-ez-patches/testing/r20949 18:16:56 *** ODM has quit IRC 18:18:16 <Brot6> clientpatches: update from r20926 to r20949 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/clientpatches/testing/r20949 18:19:45 <Brot6> #openttdcoop Server Patch Pack - Bug #1658 (New): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1658 18:24:48 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:27:58 *** avdg has quit IRC 18:33:22 *** andythenorth_ has quit IRC 18:38:55 <Terkhen> planetmaker: the flatbed wagon can be refitted to paper in arctic, which does not make much sense IMO 18:39:22 <planetmaker> well... those graphics exist, though :-) 18:39:33 <planetmaker> big rolls of paper. Similar to steel 18:40:12 <Terkhen> shouldn't it be treated as a covered cargo? 18:40:33 <planetmaker> I wonder 18:40:37 <Terkhen> the piece goods wagon can be refitted to paper too 18:40:55 <Terkhen> hmmm... and (undefined string) too 18:40:56 <planetmaker> I know. By intention. That's the 'original' so to speak 18:41:03 <planetmaker> hu? Undefined?! 18:41:21 <Terkhen> let me recompile the most recent version 18:43:07 <Terkhen> yes, it is still there 18:43:14 *** andythenorth_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:43:42 <Terkhen> it appears for me when running an arctic game with only ogfx trains r74 18:44:10 <planetmaker> which wagon? 18:44:16 <planetmaker> piece goods? 18:44:37 <Terkhen> (undefined string) 18:44:55 <planetmaker> bad :-( 18:46:52 <Terkhen> http://devs.openttd.org/~terkhen/screenshots/ogfx-trains.png <--- 18:47:09 <Terkhen> the list has other strange things too 18:49:05 <planetmaker> thanks you, see that. 18:49:16 <planetmaker> I usually check in a depot... there it's not visible 18:49:35 <planetmaker> though... that's monorail / maglev. I might have forgotten it there 18:50:01 *** Levi has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:50:12 <Terkhen> you are welcome 18:50:55 <planetmaker> other oddities? 18:51:21 *** Levi has quit IRC 18:52:16 <Terkhen> hmm... no, it's only the order of the wagons in the list 18:52:25 <Terkhen> I'm too used to seeing them in rail type order 18:54:04 <planetmaker> that's given, isn't it? 18:54:37 *** avdg has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:55:18 <Terkhen> there is for example two armored wagons next to each other 18:57:41 <planetmaker> hm... strange 18:58:59 <Terkhen> I still think that paper not being a covered cargo is stupid (what if it rains?), but it seems that it wasn't covered with the original graphics so I'll stop thinking about this 18:59:51 <planetmaker> consider it a big roll covered in a plastic 'bag' 19:00:14 <Terkhen> hmmm... why it is refittable to goods with FIRS? 19:00:31 <planetmaker> what, the flatbed? 19:00:34 <Terkhen> yes 19:00:44 <planetmaker> different classes 19:00:57 <planetmaker> firs = pieces. default = pieces + express 19:00:58 <planetmaker> iirc 19:01:16 <Terkhen> I see 19:01:36 <planetmaker> that said: I plan to allow the flatbed one as container wagon 19:01:43 <planetmaker> Then piece goods is no problem :-) 19:01:51 <planetmaker> I'm just not satisfied with the current container yet 19:03:12 <Terkhen> I'd prefer it to be consistent with both FIRS and default cargos; having two different wagos for goods/supplies is a bit confusing 19:03:21 <Terkhen> s/wagos/wagons/ 19:05:45 <Hirundo> does FIRS redefine the cargo classes of the goods cargo? That's bad.... 19:05:59 <andythenorth_> not sure why 19:06:41 <andythenorth_> it's supposed to be piece + express according to spec 19:07:11 <Terkhen> in src/table/cargo_const.h goods appears as CC_EXPRESS only 19:07:17 <Hirundo> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=CargoTypes <- here as well 19:07:47 <andythenorth_> FIRS defines it as piece + express 19:08:06 <Hirundo> why? 19:08:18 <Hirundo> Are FIRS goods so different, compared to normal goods? 19:08:21 <andythenorth_> don't know 19:08:34 <andythenorth_> there's probably a reason 19:08:42 <andythenorth_> FooBar set up the initial classes 19:08:49 <andythenorth_> it might be for better set compatibility 19:09:21 <Hirundo> if a set author wants to transport goods with wagon X, he can use the refit mask for that 19:09:35 <Terkhen> maybe ECS or another industry set also uses piece + express? 19:09:54 <andythenorth_> could be 19:09:57 <andythenorth_> or it's just a mistake 19:10:17 <andythenorth_> I'm not changing it right now - no more cargo changes for a while 19:10:24 <andythenorth_> but if anyone wants to raise a ticket... 19:10:30 <andythenorth_> Foobar might then be able to answer it 19:10:45 *** Levi has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:10:46 <Terkhen> okay 19:17:07 <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Revision 381:29e6315a61cf: Change: move logging truck files to folder (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/29e6315a61cf 19:19:11 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #1659 (New): FIRS redefines cargo classes of goods. (Hirundo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1659 19:26:08 <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Revision 382:7ba5eabad3b5: Change: use defines to set IDs for logg... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/7ba5eabad3b5 19:26:08 <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Revision 383:51f696a9a4b2: Cleanup: adjust some documentation (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/51f696a9a4b2 19:29:17 <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Revision 384:1fd760d79326: Change: move mining trucks file to own ... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/1fd760d79326 19:38:34 <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Revision 385:303af8004854: Add: copied mining truck code to separa... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/303af8004854 19:44:51 <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Revision 386:64f45ebc5581: Add: copied more mining truck code to s... 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(andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/7710738edfd5 20:10:24 <Terkhen> planetmaker: why is SCRP added to refittable_cargo_types in the flatbed wagon? 20:11:15 <planetmaker> broken cars ;-) 20:11:26 <planetmaker> old containers 20:11:29 <planetmaker> or alike 20:11:49 <planetmaker> or within a container 20:11:54 <Hirundo> Isn't scrap often handled as compressed 'blocks' ? 20:11:58 <planetmaker> (always a good excuse) 20:12:42 <Terkhen> hmm... maybe I'm not understanding that strange XOR correctly 20:12:53 <Terkhen> anyways, the flatbed wagon cannot be refitted to scrap metal 20:13:12 <planetmaker> ok, then I have to argue vice versa ;-) 20:13:22 <planetmaker> small metal pieces would just fall off 20:13:28 <Terkhen> :D 20:14:10 <Hirundo> What are the cargo classes of that wagon? 20:14:13 <Terkhen> but, since scrap metal is not in CC_PIECE_GOODS, adding it to refittable_cargo_types should make the wagon refittable to scrap metal 20:14:18 <planetmaker> that's basically how I adjusted the cargos... obviously there are some where one can dispute it :-) 20:14:32 <planetmaker> yes 20:14:58 <Terkhen> but I can't refit to it 20:15:15 <planetmaker> is it in a 'foe' class? Hm. 20:15:28 <Terkhen> the other cargos listed in refittable_cargo_types are piece goods, and they are removed from the refit options correctly 20:15:46 <planetmaker> yes. But non-refittable? 20:16:04 <planetmaker> NML docs should have these cargo tables... 20:16:42 <planetmaker> scrap metal is bulk 20:17:04 <planetmaker> did you exclude bulk? 20:17:18 <Terkhen> yes, it is excluded 20:17:24 <planetmaker> let's say: which vehicle do you talk of now? 20:17:31 <Hirundo> Not sure whether we should maintain a copy of these (changing) documents 20:17:34 <planetmaker> train flatbed? 20:18:03 <Terkhen> yes, the flatbed wagon 20:18:27 <Terkhen> I'm just checking what cargos it allows before moving the refit code to the flatbed truck 20:18:47 <planetmaker> :-) 20:21:20 <planetmaker> with what firs version do you test? 20:24:37 <Terkhen> tip, r1481 20:25:31 <Hirundo> andythenorth_: Do you have any suggestions w.r.t. the smoke 'algorithm' to use for ships / RVs? 20:26:54 <planetmaker> I thought the version might make a difference, but no. It's in all FIRS versions I have 20:26:59 <Hirundo> The corresponding code for trains is http://pastebin.com/RjcZjpFb 20:27:24 <Terkhen> for you scrap metal appears as a refit option for the flatbed wagon? 20:27:57 <planetmaker> no 20:29:33 <planetmaker> it's 0 and not 1 xor 1 20:29:53 <planetmaker> which should be one 20:30:19 <Terkhen> removing it from the list has no effect either 20:30:30 <planetmaker> woot? THAT is bad 20:31:11 <andythenorth_> cargo refits are fun :P 20:31:35 <andythenorth_> Hirundo: ideally for ships, same sprites as steam / diesel trains 20:31:47 <andythenorth_> and same generation pattern etc 20:31:59 <Hirundo> also for RVs? 20:32:03 <andythenorth_> I guess 20:32:25 <planetmaker> oh yes. Horses which generate sparks! 20:32:28 <andythenorth_> we might find there's too much smoke for RVs 20:32:31 <planetmaker> The modern E-Horse 20:34:04 <Terkhen> from what I understood, changing the status of a cargo in refittable_cargo_types should always have an effect... or am I doing something wrong? 20:34:29 <planetmaker> adding it explicitly should always reverse the result in my understanding 20:35:25 <planetmaker> ok... removing 'bulk' from foes AND removing scrp helps 20:36:07 <planetmaker> hm... 20:36:21 <andythenorth_> fricking refit masks 20:36:21 <andythenorth_> :P 20:36:44 <andythenorth_> a simple list of refittable cargos and classes would be *way* too simple 20:36:55 <Terkhen> (0 and not 1) xor 1 should be 1 anyways 20:36:58 <planetmaker> no, actually. It has the effect of adding it 20:37:17 <planetmaker> toggling it in the refit mask, toggles scrap metals here 20:37:40 <planetmaker> seems to work :-) 20:37:57 <Terkhen> and x xor 1 should always be different than x xor 0 20:38:09 <PeterT> autopilot 4.0???!! since when? 20:38:43 <planetmaker> PeterT: since it has a new repo. Don't expect new features 20:38:54 <planetmaker> svn->hg 20:38:57 <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Revision 388:a453c2d53922: Change: make use of separate mining tru... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/a453c2d53922 20:39:03 <PeterT> were there new feature in 3.0? 20:39:27 <planetmaker> dunno. Some probably. Check the logs 20:39:54 <planetmaker> but we've been using 3.x for ages 20:40:02 <PeterT> oh right 20:40:04 <PeterT> thanks then 20:40:14 <planetmaker> Terkhen: yes, should. Actually, works here. 20:40:32 <Terkhen> okay, then I must be doing something wrong 20:40:45 <planetmaker> or something strange happens 20:41:03 <planetmaker> with foe=bulk & scrap set: no scrap metal 20:41:15 <planetmaker> with foe=bulk and no scrap set: scrap metal available 20:41:22 <planetmaker> for that wagon 20:42:09 <planetmaker> I wonder if it's something strange. I had (initially) the impression that it worked differently when I changed things there 20:42:19 <planetmaker> I wonder whether something didn't properly get updated 20:43:05 <planetmaker> of course I can't reproduce that