Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 22nd October 2010:
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06:19:34  <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Revision 84:56a5ea151e2e: Fix (r83): Wrong railtype in maglev bulk wagon (planetmaker) @
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06:21:28  <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Revision 85:88dae6f24148: Add separate ID for maglev refrigerator wagon (planetmaker) @
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08:24:49  <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Bug #1701 (Closed): Alignment of level crossing (planetmaker) @
08:24:49  <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Revision 186:c3aa42084619: Change: Derive version from repository version (planetmaker) @
08:24:49  <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Revision 187:d8f091d84338: Fix #1701: Tracks for level crossings were slightly mi... (planetmaker) @
08:24:50  <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Bug #1701 (Closed): Alignment of level crossing (planetmaker) @
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09:04:55  <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles - Revision 21:c0ee877b277c: Codechange: Always use tabs for code indentation. (Terkhen) @
09:10:01  <planetmaker> :-)
09:10:34  <planetmaker> I really really hate that OpenTTD, Makefile, Python and NewGRFs all use their own meaning of tab and where ;-)
09:10:58  <planetmaker> and that my editor doesn't automatically switch the meaning of the tab key on the file loaded
09:14:59  <_Terkhen_> for source code I'm accustomed to use tab... looks cleaner when I copy parts of the code to documentation
09:16:07  <_Terkhen_> I enabled displaying of whitespace characters in my editor, otherwise I would not notice this
09:17:54  <planetmaker> yeah
09:18:15  <planetmaker> I find it though less readable, if whitespace is indicated by something else than whitespace
09:18:20  <planetmaker> thus I usually have it not enabled
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12:10:06  <Ammler> Hello :-)
12:10:11  <Ammler> bouncer down?
12:10:18  <planetmaker> moin :-)
12:10:30  <planetmaker> seems like, yes. And my attempts to get it up again failed majorly
12:11:16  <Ammler> ok, last day to migrate anyway
12:11:22  <planetmaker> You got 30 days ;-)
12:11:45  <Ammler> oh, you bought another 30 days?
12:11:48  <planetmaker> yes
12:11:55  <Ammler> that is aweseom
12:12:14  <planetmaker> check your e-mails :-)
12:12:20  <_Terkhen_> hi Ammler
12:12:27  <Ammler> I just switched on my pc
12:12:45  <planetmaker> I bought it this morning
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12:13:02  <Ammler> but shutdown is sunday, isn't?
12:13:33  <planetmaker> 24 November is shutdown
12:13:46  <fanioz> hello
12:13:55  <Ammler> weSali _Terkhen_
12:14:48  <planetmaker> hello fanioz
12:16:55  <Ammler> ah, I see, we had disabled autostart for znc?
12:17:10  <planetmaker> hm, maybe?
12:17:20  <Ammler> yes, the cronjob was commented out
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12:18:37  <Ammler> I am so sorry, thought, I have a lot of time
12:19:05  <Ammler> but the place in this "bunker" with internet access is very limited
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12:19:19  <Ammler> I have time today and tomorrow
12:19:33  <Ammler> but now, if you bought the +30 days
12:19:39  <Ammler> I won't do it now
12:19:53  <Rubidium> just fix the compile farm :)
12:19:58  <planetmaker> no need to be sorry
12:20:00  <Ammler> broken too?
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12:20:08  <planetmaker> yes
12:20:12  <planetmaker> quite thoroughly
12:20:17  <planetmaker> missing keys
12:20:38  <planetmaker> I also sent you an e-mail about that ;-)
12:21:17  <Ammler> oh
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12:21:20  <Ammler> :-P
12:21:29  <planetmaker> see... the server just needs an Ammler which occasionally hugs it...
12:21:33  <planetmaker> :-)
12:21:41  * planetmaker hugs Ammler
12:21:45  <Ammler> I hope, that will run better :-P
12:22:45  <planetmaker> actually, I'd like to see the switch-over not done on the last day...
12:23:03  <planetmaker> So IF you have time to do transition, it'd be nice, if you could do it
12:23:46  <Ammler> I do it tomorrow
12:23:52  <Ammler> I liked to do it today
12:24:16  <planetmaker> :-)
12:24:17  <Ammler> it was quite hard to get free time
12:24:28  <planetmaker> he
12:28:06  <Ammler> we have network/ichain problems. our responsible people are working on it.
12:28:12  <Ammler> quote from obs
12:28:31  <Ammler> I guess, we need to setup a independend cf
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12:36:14  <Brot6> grfcodec: update from r777 to r778 done -
12:37:19  <Brot6> nml: update from r894 to r914 done -
12:38:03  <Brot6> swedishrails: update from r182 to r187 done -
12:39:11  <Brot6> worldairlinersset: update from r664 to r665 done -
12:39:11  <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 2cctrainset (r634), 32bpp-extra (r39), ai-admiralai (r71), airportsplus (ERROR r64), basecosts (r22), belarusiantowns (r7), comic-houses (r71), firs (r1481), fish (r404), frenchtowns (r4), heqs (ERROR r427), indonesiantowns (r37), manindu (ERROR r2), metrotrackset (r56), newgrf_makefile (r219), nutracks (r117), ogfx-trains (ERROR r85), ogfx-trees (r41), opengfx (r550), openmsx (r97), opensfx
12:39:11  <Brot6> (r97), smts (r19), snowlinemod (r45), swisstowns (r20), transrapidtrackset (r15), ttdviewer (r26), ttrs (r23)
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12:41:25  <Brot6> airportsplus: update from r63 to r64 done -
12:42:06  <Ammler> something else?
12:42:28  <Ammler> else I will quit again :-)
12:42:39  <Ammler> oh, let me check the mails...
12:45:31  <Brot6> heqs: update from r425 to r427 done -
12:46:20  <Brot6> manindu: compile of r2 still failed (#1698) -
12:47:16  <Brot6> Indonesian Town Names - Bug #1704 (New): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @
12:47:31  <fanioz> ?
12:47:56  <Brot6> ogfx-trains: update from r74 to r85 done (1 errors) -
12:48:43  <fanioz> well, couldn't check it right now.  Firefox can't find the server at
12:51:37  <Hirundo_> fanioz: works for me
12:51:50  <fanioz> hmmm
12:52:38  <Brot6> Swiss Town Names - Bug #1705 (New): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @
12:53:43  <Brot6> Following repos rebuilds successful without any difference to earlier nightlies builds: 2cctrainset (7 errors), 32bpp-extra (Diffsize: 1), basecosts, belarusiantowns (3 errors) (Diffsize: 21), comic-houses (2 errors) (Diffsize: 14), firs (1 errors) (Diffsize: 872), fish (4 errors), frenchtowns (4 errors) (Diffsize: 9), metrotrackset (Diffsize: 1), newgrf_makefile, nutracks (2 errors), ogfx-trees, opengfx, smts (Diffsize: 8), snowlinemod,
12:53:43  <Brot6> transrapidtrackset (Diffsize: 12), ttrs (7 errors) (Diffsize: 1324)
12:54:24  <Yexo> Ammler: min_compatible_version is now required
12:54:28  <Yexo> fanioz: ^^
12:55:48  <Yexo> Ammler: manindu's devzone.log file has something about grfcodec, but it's an nml project
12:57:11  <fanioz> Thanks Yexo, but still I can't reach *
12:57:29  <Yexo> I can't help with that, it works for me
12:57:39  <planetmaker> fanioz, in what way? works here, all servers up and running
12:58:02  <fanioz> "Firefox can't find the server at"
12:58:27  <Yexo> under "Favorites - Tools" nml and ttdviewer are listed, but not grfcodec/nforenum
12:58:28  <fanioz> while I can check my inbox at
12:58:33  <planetmaker> we didn't have downtime there the last days. Maybe 1 minute or so when I rebooted it once
12:58:34  <Yexo> which are (still) the more popular tools
12:58:50  <planetmaker> true
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13:01:22  <planetmaker> grfcodec is sufficient. It's one project jointly with nforenum after all
13:01:29  <planetmaker> Link added
13:03:02  * Terkhen does not know what to do with the sweets refit of the piece goods truck
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13:03:36  <Terkhen> the sweets truck in OpenGFX is smaller than the others, you can't refit to a smaller truck
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13:03:48  <planetmaker> <-- Ammler I created a paypal account now in order to accept donations for the DevZone
13:04:01  <Terkhen> I'm thinking about using the default (goods) graphics and forget about it until someone provides better graphics
13:04:14  <planetmaker> Sounds what I'd do, Terkhen
13:05:11  <Terkhen> I'll go ahead and ignore it then
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13:06:24  <Terkhen> hmmm... same for the toy van
13:10:19  <Ammler> [14:55] <Yexo> Ammler: manindu's devzone.log file has something about grfcodec, but it's an nml project <-- which?
13:10:38  <Yexo> <Brot6> manindu: compile of r2 still failed (#1698) -
13:10:58  <Yexo> to be exact
13:11:03  <Yexo> Evaluating preferred packages
13:11:05  <Yexo>  - grfcodec (/home/openttd/public_html/grfcodec/nightlies/r778/rpms/grfcodec-5.0.r778-suse1130.x86_64.rpm)
13:11:52  <Ammler> echo "nml" > .devzone/build/type
13:12:03  <Ammler> nfo is default
13:12:26  <Ammler> shall I do that?
13:12:38  <Yexo> either do it or put it in the ticket for frosch to do
13:13:21  <Ammler> done :-)
13:13:27  <Brot6> Manual Industries - Bug #1698: DevZone compile failed (Ammler) @
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13:36:22  <Ammler> maybe we should change default from nfo to nml :-)
13:36:33  <planetmaker> I thought so, too :-)
13:36:40  <planetmaker> No one starts nfo projects anymore ;-)
13:36:52  <Ammler> yes
13:36:54  <planetmaker> (except foobar :-P )
13:37:05  <Ammler> what did he start?
13:37:11  <planetmaker> well. also opengfx+trees is still nfo
13:37:20  <planetmaker> transrapid IIRC
13:37:29  <planetmaker> or was it metrotracks?
13:37:34  <planetmaker> a bit ago.
13:37:36  <Yexo> but won'tyou break a lot of "old" nfo projects which don't have "type" set to nfo because it was the default?
13:38:02  <planetmaker> possibly
13:38:08  <Ammler> yep
13:38:18  <planetmaker> I just should add it the the example makefile then
13:38:27  <Ammler> that would require adding "nfo" there
13:38:42  <Ammler> or we can read the Makefile :-)
13:39:10  <planetmaker> :-)
13:39:14  <planetmaker> probably 'best'
13:39:52  <planetmaker> for certain definitions of 'best'. But it'd avoid duplication
13:39:54  <Yexo> but that way it doesn't work if a project uses a slightly non-defautl makefile
13:40:43  <planetmaker> It just would need a line which reads PROJECT_TYPE = NML
13:40:48  <planetmaker> any could do that
13:40:54  <planetmaker> in Makefile.config
13:40:58  <planetmaker> actually.
13:40:58  <planetmaker> hm
13:41:30  <planetmaker> maybe adding it to the example makefile is better then
13:41:51  <Ammler> well, as always, if Makefile.config look there else look .defzone...
13:42:17  <Yexo> or just keep it as it is now and document properly (near the documentation for enabling the nightlies) that you need to create the "type" file for nml projects
13:42:28  <planetmaker> :-)
13:42:53  <Ammler> make enable-nightly
13:43:16  <Yexo> "we" know how it works, and a user smart enoughb to find the "enable nightly" documentation is also smart enough to read one line more about creating a type file with contents "nml"
13:43:58  <Ammler> anyway, after migration
13:44:09  <Ammler> I wish you all a good rest of the day :-)
13:44:32  <Ammler> Thanks again planetmaker to give me another free afternoon
13:44:41  <planetmaker> :-) No worries
13:44:54  <Ammler> then I am off again
13:45:27  <Ammler> oh, noch meine Torrents checken...
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14:32:53  <planetmaker> Terkhen, maybe you could ask colossal404 from tt-forums whether he likes to draw some vehicles...
14:33:00  <planetmaker> it's the guy with the hungarian RV
14:39:07  <Terkhen> okay, I was thinking on listing all missing sprites after the first release and asking for help then... it is always easier to see what's missing if there is already something working
14:39:20  <planetmaker> :-)
14:39:22  <planetmaker> yes
14:39:36  <planetmaker> I out-sourced all that to molace luckily
14:40:13  <Terkhen> :)
14:40:43  <planetmaker> not the looking but the drawing. And he seems very happy about the HUGE pile of work shoved in his direction :-)
14:40:44  <Terkhen> thanks to OpenGFX I have most standard cargos except sugar
14:41:02  <Terkhen> that's nice :)
14:41:09  <planetmaker> I meanwhile have two versions for nearly all bulk cargos
14:41:22  <Terkhen> why two versions?
14:41:35  <planetmaker> randomness or different introduction date
14:41:38  <planetmaker> not sure yet :-)
14:41:56  <planetmaker> it's the iron ore, coal and grain version of the bulk wagon which there is
14:42:04  <planetmaker> they all look different with the default vehicles.
14:42:20  <planetmaker> If you use the current OpenGFX+Trains, it has a random coal wagon
14:42:27  <planetmaker> 1:3 probability ;-)
14:42:46  <planetmaker> just looks, no influence on anything
14:43:21  <planetmaker> molace said he meant them for different capacity / introduction date. But they look the same size to me
14:43:58  <planetmaker> I could think of a smaller version, introduced earlier though. But then it should be shorter, too
14:47:00  <Terkhen> I have been thinking about adding smaller and faster road vehicles, or more powerful but slower ones
14:47:19  <Terkhen> I don't want to overcomplicate the set, but standard road vehicles have zero variety
14:48:11  <planetmaker> Well. Sure the core needs to be kept. For the RV there's two or three versions, introduced over the years. Nothing needs to change there
14:48:34  <planetmaker> But a possible extension might there also be earlier vehicles
14:48:37  <planetmaker> Or more trams
14:48:58  <planetmaker> With a wider range of years where they are available. Maybe even a cargo tram
14:49:13  <planetmaker> All that doesn't make it more complicated. Just... usable for larger time spans :-)
14:49:24  <planetmaker> As could futuristic vehicles
14:50:05  <Terkhen> hover bus like?
14:50:08  <planetmaker> For the reason of keeping the default wagons useful and not changing that behaviour I'm sceptical for two different sizes
14:50:13  <planetmaker> Yes. Why not a hover bus ;-)
14:50:20  <planetmaker> Though that's _very_ futuristic
14:50:26  <planetmaker> Rather an electro bus or so
14:50:39  <planetmaker> Tesla E-Bus
14:51:50  <Terkhen> yeah, I prefer that too
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16:11:22  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #1651: Desiro EMU and DMU (DJNekkid) @
16:18:37  <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 2cctrainset (r634), 32bpp-extra (r39), ai-admiralai (r71), airportsplus (r64), basecosts (r22), belarusiantowns (r7), comic-houses (r71), firs (r1481), fish (r404), frenchtowns (r4), grfcodec (r778), heqs (r427), indonesiantowns (r37), manindu (ERROR r2), metrotrackset (r56), newgrf_makefile (r219), nml (r914), nutracks (r117), ogfx-trains (r85), ogfx-trees (r41), opengfx (r550), openmsx
16:18:37  <Brot6> (r97), opensfx (r97), smts (r19), snowlinemod (r45), swedishrails (r187), swisstowns (r20), transrapidtrackset (r15), ttdviewer (r26), ttrs (r23), worldairlinersset (r665)
16:20:30  <Brot6> indonesiantowns: compile of r37 still failed (#1704) -
16:20:57  <Brot6> manindu: compile of r2 still failed (#1698) -
16:21:43  <Brot6> swisstowns: compile of r20 still failed (#1705) -
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17:10:46  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #1651: Desiro EMU and DMU (Voyager1) @
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17:27:05  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #1706 (New): Alstom AGV (Voyager1) @
17:30:09  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #1651: Desiro EMU and DMU (Voyager1) @
18:09:09  <Brot6> 32bpp-ez-patches: update from r20992 to r21011 done (2 errors) -
18:18:01  <Brot6> clientpatches: update from r20992 to r21011 done -
18:19:08  <Brot6> serverpatches: compile of r21011 still failed (#1658) -
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18:36:47  <planetmaker> Hirundo: do you know FS3304? :-)
18:39:07  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Revision 635:df784b0a2b35: Add: Preparations for adding more stuffs:D (DJNekkid) @
18:47:04  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Bug #1707 (New): growth (or decay) stages of cone tree mis-aligned (planetmaker) @
18:54:42  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #1651: Desiro EMU and DMU (DJNekkid) @
19:00:10  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #1706: Alstom AGV (DJNekkid) @
19:06:47  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #1651: Desiro EMU and DMU (DJNekkid) @
19:46:49  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #1706: Alstom AGV (Voyager1) @
19:48:15  <Rubidium> oh... opengfx 0.3.0 source tarball in only 3.8 MiB :)
19:48:36  <frosch123> smaller than the grf?
19:48:50  <Rubidium> nope :(
19:48:55  <Lakie> :(
19:48:58  <planetmaker> would be funny, if
19:48:58  <Rubidium> at least the zip
19:50:14  <Rubidium> interesting is that the original tar.gz is 7.9M
19:50:22  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #1651: Desiro EMU and DMU (Voyager1) @
19:50:22  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #1706: Alstom AGV (DJNekkid) @
19:50:38  <Lakie> Thats a fair size reduction?
19:50:50  <Lakie> About %0~% compression...
19:50:54  <Lakie> 50%*
19:51:37  <Rubidium> oh... it uses hg export, that's why it fails
19:51:44  <Rubidium> just most of the graphics were missing
19:52:46  <planetmaker> meh
19:53:11  <Lakie> Awh
19:53:41  <planetmaker> Rubidium: so... make bundle_zip uses something different than bundle_gzip?
19:54:56  <Rubidium> make bundle_src does
20:08:26  <Lakie> I'm wondering if someone can help me push some changes to server, I use hg push<project> and it says "remote: ssl required". :/
20:08:57  * Lakie hasn't really used hg or svn commandline before, just as an additional note.
20:11:18  <planetmaker> hm
20:11:27  <planetmaker> which project, Lakie ?
20:11:33  <Lakie> grfcodec
20:13:31  <planetmaker> can you try again?
20:13:39  <Lakie> yeah
20:14:06  <Lakie> Same result,
20:14:16  <planetmaker> hm, dammit
20:17:15  <planetmaker> There's a quick way around: do you have an ssh key?
20:18:15  <Lakie> No, dunno how those work? :/
20:18:32  <planetmaker> hm, how do you commit to
20:18:50  <Lakie> via tortoise svn,
20:18:50  <planetmaker> hm, probably via password
20:19:00  <planetmaker> well, yes. But it needs authentication ;-)
20:19:08  <Lakie> Oh, password and username
20:19:18  <planetmaker> ok, no quick way then
20:19:21  <planetmaker> :-(
20:19:34  <Lakie> Ah well, no mad rush. :)
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20:20:44  <planetmaker> well, if you had a key, I'd just have added it to the repo access.
20:20:57  <planetmaker> But as you're unfamiliar with it... :-)
20:21:36  <Lakie> Life is slightly more tricky? :)
20:22:00  <planetmaker> indeed... Now I have to try figure out how and where https services run and started
20:22:10  <planetmaker> or we wait for Ammler tomorrow :-P
20:22:15  <Lakie> Hehe
20:23:51  <Rubidium> planetmaker: is this the migration causing trouble?
20:24:02  <planetmaker> no
20:24:22  <planetmaker> it's something else... probably the thing not being restarted properly automatically
20:24:58  <Rubidium> so DJNekkid uses ssh as well?
20:25:05  <planetmaker> yes
20:25:27  <planetmaker> the redmine credentials didn't work right from the start
20:25:37  <planetmaker> so all 'old' users have ssh-access to the repos
20:27:09  <planetmaker> the 'problem' with ssh is, that it works globally for all repos. But the redmine credentials allow a per-repository config. Thus it's more desirable
20:32:09  <Alberth> Lakie: Do you have non-alphanumeric characters in your password?
20:32:28  <Alberth> I needed to escape those before it worked
20:32:28  <planetmaker> https works for the website...
20:33:04  <Lakie> Like numbers?
20:33:18  <planetmaker> numbers are numeric ;-)
20:33:22  <Lakie> Shouldn't have
20:33:29  <Lakie> I noticed just after hitting enter..
20:33:33  <planetmaker> a-zA-Z0-9
20:33:35  <Alberth> digits should be fine, punctation is more a problem
20:33:46  <planetmaker> ^ alphanumeric
20:34:00  <Lakie> Shouldn't have anything outside that range
20:40:16  <planetmaker> tcp        0      0   *               LISTEN       <-- so... it should be fine and listening...
20:43:06  <Rubidium> might it be that the certificate end-of-life is 4 months ago or something?
20:49:04  <planetmaker> hm. How do I check that?
20:49:43  <Rubidium> dunno, I leave that to TB
20:50:22  <planetmaker> :-P And I usually to Ammler
20:50:39  <Lakie> Hehe
20:50:46  <planetmaker> Lakie: mind pushing that tomorrow?
20:50:56  <Lakie> Nope, I'm in no rush. :)
20:51:25  <Lakie> (ie. take as long as you need). :)
20:51:47  <planetmaker> It sucks and I'm terribly sorry, but I fear I'll only majorly frustrate myself and not get it fixed anyway
20:51:59  <planetmaker> while Ammler knows the missing switch after 5 minutes
20:53:17  <Lakie> Heh, alright, nothing major anyways.
20:53:28  <planetmaker> just png support? ;-)
20:53:37  <Lakie> Na
20:53:45  <Lakie> Few things before that. ;)
20:54:28  <planetmaker> :-) Good thing about non-central repos: one can continue committing locally ;-)
20:54:42  <Lakie> Yes, I noticed.
20:56:23  <Lakie> Good untl someone forgets to sync. ;)
20:59:14  * Lakie shall tie things up for now,
20:59:34  <Lakie> I have noticed hg patch seems to dislike adding files from diffs.
21:00:09  <planetmaker> Lakie: forgetting to sync - you'll notice that when you pull
21:00:24  <planetmaker> you'll get new heads and will be requested to merge
21:00:30  <Lakie> Ah, ok
21:00:46  <planetmaker> but... dislike adding files from diffs?
21:00:56  <planetmaker> how do you mean?
21:01:03  <planetmaker> patch -p1 vs patch -p0
21:01:05  <planetmaker> maybe?
21:01:09  <Lakie> maybe
21:01:19  <planetmaker> hg uses -p1. svn -p0
21:01:20  <Alberth> planetmaker: I can pull nml updates through https, so the certificate should be working too :)
21:01:21  <planetmaker> by default
21:01:46  <Lakie> I can pull through the https url, just not push...
21:01:47  <planetmaker> Alberth: that's strange. But indeed I can't push through https to a test repo either
21:02:26  <planetmaker> there's a repo called 'test' - so if anyone needs to do some testing, feel free to use that, too ;-)
21:02:33  <planetmaker> anything goes there
21:02:35  <Lakie> Hehe
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21:08:09  <Rubidium> so authentication fails to be properly executed
21:08:41  <Rubidium> maybe the hash for the https is different from the hash in redmine's authentication information
21:15:51  <planetmaker> something like that maybe. But...
21:16:00  <planetmaker> that's nasty database stuff
21:16:05  <Lakie> Heh
21:16:09  <planetmaker> which I have no knowledge of
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23:01:35  <frosch123> oh, ammler commented on #1698
23:01:35  <Brot6> frosch123: oh: #1698 is "Manual Industries - Bug #1698: DevZone compile failed - #openttdcoop Development Zone"
23:01:49  <frosch123> i thought it was just another compile run when i got the mail...
23:06:31  <Brot6> Manual Industries - Revision 3:111fac40ff4a: Fix #1698: Tell compile farm about this being a NML ... (Ammler) @
23:06:31  <Brot6> Manual Industries - Bug #1698 (Closed): DevZone compile failed (Ammler) @
23:07:09  <frosch123> haha, faking authors :)
23:07:32  <Lakie> Heh
23:10:25  <frosch123> night
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