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00:06:25 *** Lakie has quit IRC 00:09:53 *** thgergo has quit IRC 01:10:33 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 05:12:32 <Brot6> NFORenum - Feature #1751: How to use escape for a part of a field? (George) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1751#change-4637 05:12:32 <Brot6> NFORenum - Feature #1751: How to use escape for a part of a field? (George) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1751#change-4638 05:32:01 <Brot6> Bundles Update: g93be88c8 2010-11-12 cargodist (http://finger.openttdcoop.org) 06:22:06 <Brot6> NFORenum - Feature #1746: improve warning text (George) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1746#change-4639 07:48:36 <planetmaker> moin 08:43:55 <Terkhen> hmmm... the abbreviation for "Stone" in FIRS is still "GV"... should I change it? 08:49:56 <planetmaker> where is that seen in the user-interface? 08:50:00 <planetmaker> minimap? 08:50:07 <Terkhen> waiting cargo at the station list 08:50:28 <planetmaker> That should be changed IMHO, yes 08:50:35 <planetmaker> ST or so 08:50:46 <planetmaker> is that actually a translation issue? Or is it a general thing? 08:51:38 <Terkhen> the error is in the 7F translation... I don't know if it is translated incorrectly in other files too (in mine it was) 08:52:39 <planetmaker> it surely is in mine, too... 08:53:03 <Terkhen> it is a minor thing anyways 08:54:38 <planetmaker> hm, it was in the German one. "KS" which translates somewhat to gravel. 08:54:45 <planetmaker> or expands rather 08:55:40 <Terkhen> I don't know if this should be changed before or after the new release 08:55:45 <Terkhen> as it would invalidate all translations 08:56:06 <planetmaker> it's a translatable thing, isn't it? 08:56:45 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1506:6bb3d5cb21af: Change: Update Spanish translation. (Terkhen) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/6bb3d5cb21af 08:58:05 <Terkhen> yes 09:00:01 <planetmaker> Actually good that you brought it up... I never really paid attention to it. 09:00:06 <planetmaker> I need to adopt a few :-) 09:01:01 <Terkhen> :) 09:04:16 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1507:4eb8f4d0777c: Change: Update to the cargo short nam... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/4eb8f4d0777c 09:13:04 <planetmaker> actually one of the interesting things in n0zYk's report about OpenGFX at http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=912912#p912912 is: he's using the original graphics set ;-) 09:13:06 <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums • View topic - OpenGFX+ Trains (at www.tt-forums.net) 09:13:12 <planetmaker> so it's for him completely new graphics ;-) 09:16:28 <Terkhen> I wouldn't have expected that kind of user to be interested in OpenGFX+ 09:18:17 <planetmaker> yup. Me neither :-) 09:18:55 <planetmaker> though if you play FIRS you need some trains which haul your cargo 09:19:12 <planetmaker> not sure... are old wagon new cargos on bananas? I think not... 09:19:49 <Terkhen> I think it is 09:20:20 <Terkhen> but when I tried it I found it confusing, as the wagons are still using their old names 09:20:26 <planetmaker> :-) 09:21:02 <planetmaker> It's actually nicely pleasing to get some feedback on this set at last :-) also if the first one was 'lumber' is missing :-) 09:21:44 <Terkhen> feedback is always nice 09:21:51 <planetmaker> yep 09:24:08 <planetmaker> he... nice. Update to OSX 10.6.5 overwrites the boot loader (intended) but so also removes the possibility to boot from pgp-encrypted volumes... 09:24:40 <Rubidium> so now you can't boot your computer anymore? 09:25:01 <planetmaker> I didn't update so far nor is my whole disk encrypted 09:25:20 <planetmaker> Truecrypt file volume for the interesting parts is sufficient for my needs 09:25:48 <planetmaker> Just found a notice on that issue, though 09:49:03 <planetmaker> seems I can still boot and login with 10.6.5 :-) 11:19:13 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:30:29 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:41:04 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Bug #1808: Problem with PR_BUILD_VEHICLE_WAGON (Hirundo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1808#change-4640 13:01:36 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Bug #1830 (Closed): No wagon can carry lumber (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1830 13:01:36 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Revision 88:c505581813ec: Fix #1830: There were no wagons which could transport... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains/repository/revisions/c505581813ec 13:01:36 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Bug #1830 (Closed): No wagon can carry lumber (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1830#change-4641 13:36:04 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Code Review #1832 (New): add MINV (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1832 13:39:15 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Code Review #1832: add MINV (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1832#change-4643 13:40:22 <planetmaker> Ammler: the 0.5.x are compatible to eachother 13:40:50 <Ammler> yes, minv is 1457 13:41:05 <planetmaker> that's fine 13:41:06 <Ammler> at least that was the time, andy bumped the grfid 13:41:27 <planetmaker> so... what is that issue about? 13:41:41 <Ammler> but afaik, he didn't bump when the grf got incompatible, he did that with release 13:41:42 <planetmaker> or is there no MINV support so far at all? 13:42:02 <Ammler> what does "add minv" mean for you? 13:42:07 <Ammler> hmm 13:42:25 <Ammler> I just see, andy used around 1000 different a14 :-) 13:42:39 <Ammler> maybe he added that in another place with it's own a14 13:43:28 <Ammler> no "MINV" in the whole final nfo 13:44:25 <planetmaker> he doesn't use it, indeed. 13:44:44 <Ammler> 1457 is good, but maybe gould be lower 13:44:55 <Ammler> it should be the version, when it broke 13:45:08 <Ammler> could* 13:46:43 <planetmaker> I used 0.5.0 - 1 13:46:50 <planetmaker> that's fine 13:47:49 <Ammler> 1469 is wrong :-) 13:48:01 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Code Review #1832 (Closed): add MINV (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1832 13:48:01 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1508:7c5b606face5: Add #1832: Minimum version information (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/7c5b606face5 13:48:01 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Code Review #1832 (Closed): add MINV (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1832#change-4644 13:48:09 <Ammler> but better than nothing 13:48:16 <planetmaker> 0.5.0 1470:ca2d989c9327 13:48:34 <Ammler> yes, but compatiblity broke before 1457, not after :-P 13:48:56 <Ammler> you will teach andy something bad now 13:49:10 <planetmaker> hm 13:49:15 <planetmaker> I hope not 13:49:25 <Ammler> he will change minv on next release 13:49:33 <Ammler> instead when he breaks the compatibiltyx 13:49:44 <planetmaker> Na, we'll teach him 13:50:29 <Ammler> basically minv has nothing to do with release 13:50:33 <planetmaker> on the other hand I could even understand when he would do it like that: test games would become a pain... though maybe not with reload_newgrfs 13:50:39 <planetmaker> I know 13:51:02 <Ammler> yeah, as I said, I hope your developer flag does also ignore that :-) 13:51:05 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 13:51:43 <Ammler> at least I mentioned it 13:52:07 <planetmaker> :-) 13:52:16 <Ammler> else I see no advantage to changing grfid 13:52:47 <planetmaker> The developer flag allows to load games with missing newgrfs, so it should work. Not sure which version it then will pick, but I think the newest 13:53:11 <Ammler> you "think" :-P 13:53:19 <Ammler> devs don't think, they know ;-) 13:53:25 <planetmaker> some time ago I tested it :-) 13:54:39 <Ammler> if someone enables that flag, is he able to see, what would happen, if he didn't enable it? 13:55:12 <Ammler> like you have a red square, but it loaded, or orange or whatever 13:55:20 <planetmaker> you'll still see that the game is missing newgrfs. And that would mean 'cannot load' 13:55:31 <Ammler> like before 13:55:32 <planetmaker> without that flag you cannot load games with missing newgrfs 13:55:49 <planetmaker> missing = incompatible also 13:56:39 <planetmaker> and yes, you'll know whether you have all newgrf, have all compatible newgrfs or whether you'll be missing one or more 13:56:42 <planetmaker> nothing changed there 13:56:45 <Ammler> next very important step would be dedicated server (console) support 13:56:48 *** Lakie has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:56:59 <Ammler> so you don't need to download everytime everything 13:57:02 <planetmaker> just the condition on which you have access to the load button 13:57:21 <planetmaker> (or modify / apply newgrf changes button) 13:57:36 <planetmaker> that's a tad more difficult, Ammler 13:58:04 <planetmaker> but something like server_autodownload_newgrfs might be good 13:58:07 <Ammler> I know, that is why frosch didn't do it :-) 13:58:32 <Ammler> well, that could also be useful for clients to autojoin 13:59:05 <Ammler> since I need to start openttd and then restart also locally 13:59:18 <Ammler> just because I don't know the pw :-) 14:04:49 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Revision 89:032080108d37: Feature: Cargo subtype for lumber for bulk wagon (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains/repository/revisions/032080108d37 14:05:00 <Ammler> maybe MINV should become part of Makefile.config 14:07:59 <planetmaker> I thought about that. But I see no way 14:08:17 <planetmaker> well. Could be in makefile.config. But... why then not in the grf itself? 14:10:47 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Revision 90:89bb65e6f125: Fix: callback_flags is a bitmaks (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains/repository/revisions/89bb65e6f125 14:10:59 <planetmaker> I'm actually thinking rather the revers, moving the grfID out of the makefile 14:13:55 <Ammler> true 14:14:04 <Ammler> with #define GRFID... 14:14:42 <planetmaker> it doesn't need a define. 14:14:48 <Ammler> (custom_tags...) 14:14:50 <planetmaker> It's only used in one place 14:14:57 <Ammler> readme? 14:15:25 <Ammler> might not be required there 14:15:29 <planetmaker> well. Is it really needed there? 14:15:40 <planetmaker> If it is needed, it's easy to copy&paste it there 14:16:17 <planetmaker> important is only the version really 14:16:38 <planetmaker> and dependent on that the name and description 14:16:40 <Ammler> yes, and minv 14:17:05 <planetmaker> minv is the same as grfID IMHO. It's needed in one place 14:17:16 <planetmaker> If in the readme, then copy&paste to there will do 14:17:35 <Ammler> that is a changing var, so you can't use it in 2 places 14:17:46 <Ammler> else you will for sure forget one on next update ;-) 14:18:01 <Ammler> isn't that the reason, the grfid was in the config file? 14:18:28 <planetmaker> hm, yes 14:18:36 <planetmaker> basically yes 14:19:05 <planetmaker> but I wonder whether it's too much trouble for the gain :-) 14:24:07 <Ammler> either it is a var or you don't add it to the readme, easy. 14:26:58 <planetmaker> true 14:27:01 <Brot6> Example NewGRF Project - Feature #1833 (New): Support MINV handling in Makefile.config (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1833 14:59:23 *** thgergo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:18:44 <Brot6> AdmiralAI - Revision 72:a4a5b8d62631: Fix: don't bulldoze a tile with a rail/road crossing when w... (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ai-admiralai/repository/revisions/a4a5b8d62631 16:44:32 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1509:5f8b5bb744ab: Fix: Short names for plant fibres and... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/5f8b5bb744ab 17:12:46 <Brot6> grfcodec: update from r786 to r788 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/grfcodec/nightlies/r788 17:13:34 <Terkhen> oh, the gravel problem was reported :) 17:16:15 <planetmaker> and fixed ;-) 17:16:20 <planetmaker> I took the liberty 17:18:55 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:19:40 <Brot6> ai-admiralai: update from r71 to r72 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/ai-admiralai/nightlies/r72 17:21:34 <Brot6> firs: update from r1494 to r1509 done (3 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/nightlies/r1509 17:23:14 <Brot6> ogfx-trains: update from r87 to r90 done (1 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/ogfx-trains/nightlies/r90 17:23:35 <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 2cctrainset (r651), 32bpp-extra (r39), airportsplus (r69), basecosts (r22), belarusiantowns (r7), comic-houses (r71), fish (r415), frenchtowns (r4), grfcodec (r788), heqs (r504), indonesiantowns (r38), manindu (r5), metrotrackset (r56), newgrf_makefile (r232), nml (r1034), nutracks (r117), ogfx-trees (r41), opengfx (r554), openmsx (r97), opensfx (r97), smts (r19), snowlinemod (r45), 17:23:35 <Brot6> swedishrails (r188), swisstowns (r21), transrapidtrackset (r15), ttdviewer (r26), ttrs (r23), worldairlinersset (r667) 17:26:16 <Brot6> AdmiralAI - Bug #1834 (New): stopped trains in depot not sold (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1834 17:26:26 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #1835 (New): CP 1900 (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1835 17:32:38 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #1835: CP 1900 (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1835#change-4645 17:35:33 <Terkhen> great :) 17:36:11 <Brot6> AdmiralAI - Revision 73:702cc403b1e8: Fix: sometimes trains are planned to be sold but don't end ... (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ai-admiralai/repository/revisions/702cc403b1e8 17:38:57 <Yexo> how long does the nightly build take normally? 17:40:10 <Rubidium> depends on the amount to rebuild, so it varies quite a lot 17:40:33 <Brot6> Following repos rebuilds successful without any difference to earlier nightlies builds: 2cctrainset (7 errors), 32bpp-extra (Diffsize: 1), basecosts, comic-houses (2 errors) (Diffsize: 14), fish (4 errors), heqs, metrotrackset (Diffsize: 1), nutracks (2 errors), ogfx-trees, opengfx, smts, snowlinemod, transrapidtrackset (Diffsize: 12), ttrs (7 errors), worldairlinersset 17:41:15 <Yexo> of course. I was wondering whether 32bpp-ez-patches, clientpatches and serverpatches were also part of the nightly run started at 18:18 17:41:52 <Rubidium> nope 17:49:39 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #1835: CP 1900 (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1835#change-4647 17:52:04 <Brot6> ai-admiralai: update from r72 to r73 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/ai-admiralai/nightlies/r73 19:10:37 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:10:49 <andythenorth> eveninq 19:14:33 <Brot6> 32bpp-ez-patches: update from r21147 to r21152 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/32bpp-ez-patches/testing/r21152 19:15:57 <Terkhen> hello andythenorth 19:16:03 <andythenorth> hi 19:16:28 <Terkhen> I have already updated the Spanish translation of FIRS 19:16:43 <andythenorth> great 19:25:14 <Brot6> clientpatches: update from r21147 to r21152 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/clientpatches/testing/r21152 19:27:00 <Brot6> serverpatches: update from r21147 to r21152 done (16 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/serverpatches/testing/r21152 19:45:53 <andythenorth> planetmaker: I think FIRS 0.5.3 is ready to release.... 20:11:49 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1510:099e70de54d1: Change: update changelog (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/099e70de54d1 20:13:04 <Ammler> isn't it strange, serverpatches now compiles again? :-) 20:13:54 <Ammler> hehe, failed 20:14:19 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1511:4a76827b68d0: Added tag 0.5.3 for changeset 099e70d... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/4a76827b68d0 20:14:28 <Ammler> my fix breaks now detecting failed build 20:16:34 <Brot6> firs: update from 0.5.2 to 0.5.3 done (3 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/releases/0.5.3 20:58:40 <Brot6> AdmiralAI - Revision 74:d48e4d5ca8be: Fix: failed to load savegames saved with v25 (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ai-admiralai/repository/revisions/d48e4d5ca8be 21:09:30 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #1835: CP 1900 (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1835#change-4649 21:18:47 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #1836 (New): ALe.426 (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1836 21:20:55 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #1835: CP 1900 (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1835#change-4649 22:21:15 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 23:14:44 *** thgergo has quit IRC